Hello, some of you know me, I'm the multiply-money.com admin. I'd like to share some of my thoughts from the past 24 hours.
As you probably know, we launched yesterday at 10 pm EST. The launch was smooth, without any problem, the site was fast and reliable. Unfortunately there was another doubler launching at the same time and that made us lost some members and investments. Now I ask myself why did people from this forum prefer to go to the other one, why there is still a long discussion about the other one, why people still encourage each other to move the other one? Why do they prefer the other one, we launched at the same time and from what I know, their launch was not as smooth as ours.
Maybe this is because of the script? Phantom vs. Freeworld. But our worked better. Well, that is the first obvious thing. There are many people that like to say bad things about the Phantom script, but we are the living proof that if you use a legal copy and have all the updates and fixes, it works great. When you have admins that use illegal copies, start one matrix site each week and it often crashes, it doesnīt mean that the script is bad. I told previously that we have a private server and did everything to have a safe launch. Probably people didnīt believe me...
Some people call stop the madness with all these doublers poping up everyday. On the other hand, the experienced users recommend not to enter a doubler later than in its first second. Now it is a game, there is no room for honest doublers. People are jumping like crazy from doubler to doubler, making live each doubler only for a few hours. We at multiply-money.com decided to run a doubler because we was fed up with these matrix sites (and doublers) that open just for the initial rush and then it dies. The admin begins to set up a new one right after launch. But do we have a chance to prove our intentions, when the recommandations that are spread through forums are: double in the first minutes, then take your money and run away?
Well, I think that honest doublers still have a chance to succeed, but with people that werenīt teached so called strategies through discussion forums. Fortunately there are a lot of people who never entered a doubler, and we are focusing on them.
I would like the emphasize that I donīt want to offend anybody with this post, as stated in the subject, I would like just to open a discussion about where we all are going?
I still canīt understand, why the majority from this forum didnīt want to give us a try. Why ASFx can send emails to members of this forum about some doublers or matrix sites but not about ours. Why ASFx canīt even spend his referral earnings to buy shares at Multiply Money ($21 - he could buy two shares). What did we wrong?
Or generally, what is happening, that a site with honest intentions is forgotten by some experienced people even before launch???
So again, no offence to anybody, this way things works, just trying to find out why. Iīm not complaining, we had a great launch (even if it could be better with all of you) and now we are going on with our work to make people cycle fast.
Jan
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I can offer a lot of insight but I won't rehash this little battle.
Phantom script is not perfect and has errors, freeworld does too but they are not so glaring. Everyone can buy the script on ebay, etc and they do. Those who sit back and watch this forum know that they can launch a site and just promote here to get these people but don't do any other advertising expecting these people to put out the cash to do it. This is where sites go wrong. Jason does not send out THAT many newsletters so not all programs will be seen on those but he does send some. It's hard to keep up with Doubler A, Tripler B and Quintupler C. As a site owner I know there are many problems with the current problem but I can't offer anything at this moment due to the fact that the creator of that Phantom accused my of stealing his script when I did no such thing. I know there were resellers, etc. so I bought it from someone who I know has good intentions and I believed was a reseller. Is he? I don't know but I didn't steal the damned thing, why would I steal something that needs to be fixed every launch. But I'm not going to vent. Those are just some of the points I could bring up. I avoid the Phantom as much as possible because of problems, including my site being backdoored. Not hacked, backdoored. Make any conclusions you want. Everyone on this board knows I never intentionally call someone out unless they deserve it. Jan, you seem real nice, nothing against you but the whole scene has a problem as a whole. And people need to stick together instead of accusing people of wrong doing when they don't. Need to coordinate launches and they don't. Need to come up with new ways to advertise, etc. and they don't. I'm jaded. Go figure. Even having my own personal script edited, written, etc because I'm sick of the problems and the nonsense. My site is on life support at the moment because of the Phantom problems. Damn I need to stop drinking coffee. (This post will probably be edited at some point)
and no offense but every admin of every doubler claims theres is here for the long haul, not just a quick money maker. The fact is, with new doublers coming up everyday, NONE will be here for very long. I love em, but I must admit, I'm kind of tired seeing so many pop up. Now every Tom & Joe on the streets is starting one up. Then it gets to be like QPC where admins hold back most the money. I'd like to see a program where the admin only makes money off his doubles, or only keeps 5% of the money. This 75/25 stuff just doesnt last long.
Sir .. you don't have to depend on this forum only for advertisning ... you must make huge advertiment on internet ... beside phantom script people suffer from it although some of it works good but we always follow the experience with it ... have good luck to you
QUOTE(MM @ Oct 15 2004, 09:09 AM) Hello, some of you know me, I'm the multiply-money.com admin. I'd like to share some of my thoughts from the past 24 hours.
As you probably know, we launched yesterday at 10 pm EST. The launch was smooth, without any problem, the site was fast and reliable. Unfortunately there was another doubler launching at the same time and that made us lost some members and investments. Now I ask myself why did people from this forum prefer to go to the other one, why there is still a long discussion about the other one, why people still encourage each other to move the other one? Why do they prefer the other one, we launched at the same time and from what I know, their launch was not as smooth as ours. Maybe this is because of the script? Phantom vs. Freeworld. But our worked better. Well, that is the first obvious thing. There are many people that like to say bad things about the Phantom script, but we are the living proof that if you use a legal copy and have all the updates and fixes, it works great. When you have admins that use illegal copies, start one matrix site each week and it often crashes, it doesnīt mean that the script is bad. I told previously that we have a private server and did everything to have a safe launch. Probably people didnīt believe me... Some people call stop the madness with all these doublers poping up everyday. On the other hand, the experienced users recommend not to enter a doubler later than in its first second. Now it is a game, there is no room for honest doublers. People are jumping like crazy from doubler to doubler, making live each doubler only for a few hours. We at multiply-money.com decided to run a doubler because we was fed up with these matrix sites (and doublers) that open just for the initial rush and then it dies. The admin begins to set up a new one right after launch. But do we have a chance to prove our intentions, when the recommandations that are spread through forums are: double in the first minutes, then take your money and run away? Well, I think that honest doublers still have a chance to succeed, but with people that werenīt teached so called strategies through discussion forums. Fortunately there are a lot of people who never entered a doubler, and we are focusing on them. I would like the emphasize that I donīt want to offend anybody with this post, as stated in the subject, I would like just to open a discussion about where we all are going? I still canīt understand, why the majority from this forum didnīt want to give us a try. Why ASFx can send emails to members of this forum about some doublers or matrix sites but not about ours. Why ASFx canīt even spend his referral earnings to buy shares at Multiply Money ($21 - he could buy two shares). What did we wrong? Or generally, what is happening, that a site with honest intentions is forgotten by some experienced people even before launch??? So again, no offence to anybody, this way things works, just trying to find out why. Iīm not complaining, we had a great launch (even if it could be better with all of you) and now we are going on with our work to make people cycle fast. Jan [right][snapback]20535[/snapback][/right]
Hello friends,
Have you ever thought that why all these new doublers are poping daily just like mushrooms only in this MMG forum? Because we all are mad for money. Many visitors or members of this MMG know that we all will definately would go to amy new launch without even second thought. A visitor or a member comes and announce that a new doubler have come up. We all just go and join that blindfully. It is tha easy way to make $2000 - $3000 for an doubler admin by announcing his program in this forum only. What we all are doing? We all are just killing each others money only. Some of us gets money from 1 program and some from others. But most of us don't get anything from some programs. Especially the programs that comes withour any prior announcement. We all move to the program and try to invest the maximum that we can. Then we wait for some others to join and spend so that our money will be cycled. Because no one else know about this program except this forum members. We all think that we will make some good profit but in real we all rescue others money. I think that all this quick 1 day doubler will be vaished within next 1 month because noone would have left with much money to rescue. And we all will be selective. Admins of these programs know that no other would join the site so no one else would cycle and they just have their pocket full on money. From today onwards, I am going to boycott all these immidiate launched doublers. I have lost a lot in these one because this programs can not be successful with just 40-50 memebrs of this forum. Moneylover - Loves to make money. There was no need for a new topic so I merged these. I now return you to your regularly scheduled money making.
I can tell you I won't be boycotting any freeworld script that I can get into early
gotta agree with radmax
Got to agree with clockwork and redmax. I love the freeworld script
When i launch my freeworldscript, I wont be taking any commision maybe 2% I dont need it, ill just buy positions:) hehe
Ownage needs to answer his PMs or clear his box so he gets PMs...
Guys, I think Jan was looking for answers 
Excellent points. I'm thinking along the same line. Its getting way too much crazy. I'm beginning to think, have we all lost our minds? Well I think I have. And I'm going to try to get that back.
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I don't participate in any doublers that are not in the calendar. I have the most luck with those ones because they are planned out properly and seem to have the most membership base.
Well, we of course did advertise on a lot of places. We were not counting on this forum to make the coplete membership database. And advertising campaigns follow, with one big mailing tonight. But thatīs not the problem. Now I have the confirmation of some things...
I agree with ownage....Admins need to stop being so greedy and pay out more, they would see their doubler last a LOT longer and move quicker making a LOT more people happy!
QUOTE(earnmoney @ Oct 16 2004, 03:55 AM) I agree with ownage....Admins need to stop being so greedy and pay out more, they would see their doubler last a LOT longer and move quicker making a LOT more people happy! [right][snapback]20672[/snapback][/right] Check out the latest Gold Madness update - Gary is doing just thtat
the admin has to promote himself instead of depending on people promotion
Can someone shed some insight on something Jan said ---
"...if you use a legal copy and have all the updates and fixes, it works great. When you have admins that use illegal copies, start one matrix site each week and it often crashes, it doesnīt mean that the script is bad...." Is there some validity to that? ==> a difference with using a "legal copy with the fixes & updates" vs. an "illegal copy," and how can members tell the difference, coming in? I wonder if he has a point about folks not recognizing WHEN a Phantom Script can be a Solid Script? I have been taking a "breather" from joining Programs, while trying to sort out which ones have best potential for BOTH not crashing & longevity --- and Jan seems like a very honest Admin, which I value alot. Alot of people /& friends I know are afraid to go near these doublers/matrixes because of the all these problems, so it's hard for me to even promote them. --------- QUOTE(earnmoney @ Oct 15 2004, 01:55 PM) I agree with ownage....Admins need to stop being so greedy and pay out more, they would see their doubler last a LOT longer and move quicker making a LOT more people happy! [right][snapback]20672[/snapback][/right] These people have families, and expenses just like the rest of us. Wait I'm on both sides here... Jan I didn't mean that YOU are depending on this forum but there are others who are.
We have run some 'No Admin Profit' lines in the past which are just 2 in, 1st person doubles.... technically these should run forever, but they still slow down just as quick as the regular lines.
The best and only way to keep a line moving is to reinvest, promote and stay positive. My 2 Cents, Lance
Jan,
You have some valid points. This "doubler hopping" mentality that I have been discussing for several days now, will eventually come full circle. As more and more people start new doublers and as the honesty level drops (because it will) we will all be forced to go into more established/long-term solutions. The only issue is whether or not they'll still be around when WE come around. It just might be that they are starved out of the picture. But with regards as to why people on this forum chose the other launch over yours? Well, while I think that's a valid question, I do think your frustration is misguided. I know I chose the launch I did, because I simply liked the other program better. Plain and simple. Their website was more attractive, the admin was responsive, and it was also a freeworld script. You should maybe take a look at your marketing and communication strategy if you don't like the results you're getting. You can certainly choose to "divorce" yourself from this forum because you don't agree with the underlying attitude (which I agree needs some serious rethinking!) but I believe distancing yourself from any potential consumer is a mistake. And if you're interested to know, here's a rough estimate of my recent earnings: Freeworld script sites: +14k Phantom sites: -3.5k Othersites: (long term investments, yet to cycle) You figure out why I chose the way I did...  I don't know how many times I've heard from a "Phantom" admin that their server can handle the load of a launch. Most have crashed and my money has been stuck with them. Like it or not, the platform you chose is not highly regarded, at least not by my personal results, regardless of how you have managed to implement it. I think you may have inadvertently chosen a dud. I'm seriously considering boycotting the phantom until stability increases or admins take responsibilty for crashes. DD
EDITED: DONT BE RUDE
Hey hey hey! Jan didn't ask for hatred, just some answers. Please be polite as possible even if you're Jan's archenemy.
Thank you
I've been there...
I've joined... I've paid in some cash... I've enjoyed the smoothest launch I had during last month... I've cyceld... I've reinvested... I've cycled... I've requested the payout as the line seemed to slow down. I wonder did everyone who cycled first time used his reserve fund to buy shares - as the line shall move fast at least 2-3 cycles but it did not. And about the phantom script - when the admin knows what he does and is not the "top greed" one then he pays for good host with proper database... what results in smooth launch. Good to go M-M 
Well, there are two points going against each other.
Make less income for the admin vs. advertise the doubler. Admin has to make a certain income in order to have the resources to advertise the doubler. So, does anybody have proven method of advertising that we could invest into? Jan
I don't think there is an answer. I tried to get answers from Doublebot but they won't talk to me
earnmoney: OK, but where is the admin supposed to find money to advertise?
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