Many of you, or perhaps all MMG staff is aware of my activity in IM thread, I had already been warned by xRealNinjuzx for pushing the limits of regular debate to plain trolling (that's another story that I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH THIS MOD), anyway that's not why I'm here... IM admin promised refund for those who asked, yet none of these requests had been fulfilled and it's almost 24 hours since the program started running again, would the staff of MMG do something?
Aside from that, also there's several "cheerleaders", and I bet you already noticed them, bumping that thread thus putting everyone in a possible hazard for their investment. Are you going to do something? Or would you just sit back and relax completely ignoring this request?
I kneel to you in hopes you at least move a finger to this case.
Faithfully yours,
eiranis ~
eiranis
Feb 7 2007, 11:21 AM
IM admin didn't payed at fullest the refund. Proper proof can be provided if need.
If you're not going to take action, either delete this thread or say something.
Support Desk
Feb 7 2007, 07:10 PM
You need to give us time to review the situation.
megaplex
Feb 7 2007, 07:45 PM
QUOTE(eiranis @ Feb 8 2007, 04:21 AM) [snapback]3660456[/snapback]
IM admin didn't payed at fullest the refund. Proper proof can be provided if need.
If you're not going to take action, either delete this thread or say something.
I find the current policy on delinquent programs a blight on MMG members.
When you throw up Red Flags in a forum you get flamed by the participants and warned by MODS. Even posting direct warning s in these threads is in effective because the get lost in the maze of posts. What about put a sticky section on top of threads where the mods can make brief warnings. This situation makes those of us in the know beg off from warning people which makes the situation even worse.
Bring in a sin bin, where delinquent programs can be parked when found to be not operating properly. MMG does have a duty of care, to what extent I dont know but what I do know is the MMG hs a credibilty crisis that it need not have if proper action can be taken to clean up the scamfest that is happening here.
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Support Desk
Feb 8 2007, 06:21 AM
QUOTE(megaplex @ Feb 7 2007, 07:45 PM) [snapback]3662074[/snapback]
I find the current policy on delinquent programs a blight on MMG members.
When you throw up Red Flags in a forum you get flamed by the participants and warned by MODS. Even posting direct warning s in these threads is in effective because the get lost in the maze of posts. What about put a sticky section on top of threads where the mods can make brief warnings. This situation makes those of us in the know beg off from warning people which makes the situation even worse.
Bring in a sin bin, where delinquent programs can be parked when found to be not operating properly. MMG does have a duty of care, to what extent I dont know but what I do know is the MMG hs a credibilty crisis that it need not have if proper action can be taken to clean up the scamfest that is happening here.
Well, I looked at the site, and I see nothing in regards to refunds. To suggest that the IM program processes refunds would be at the terms of the IM admin himself.
Since there are no term for refunds listed on the site, the admin is able to give refunds according to how he sees fit. So, without any language on the site about a refund structure, he can impose a fee for breaking the agreement that you took with IM by sending your e-gold.
That's just how I see it. Obviously, you think you're entitled to a refund at all times, but without seeing anything on a site regarding refunds, I would not deposit my funds with them and then expect a refund if I happened to not like the program.
eiranis
Feb 13 2007, 04:42 PM
Why don't you close IM thread? it had proved to be more of a hassle for you, you practically babysit that thread! furthermore any question made by non "happy" im members gets swarmed by them!
Ain't it's time to put an end to it? Besides they already got a place where they got no intervention of questioning forces.
ASFx
Feb 14 2007, 01:14 AM
We really don't like to let a few people ruin it for everyone else. People should still be able to discuss whatever they want here as long as they arent attacking eachother. We are receiving reports from that thread just about every day so we will just have to continue to warn the people who can't have normal conversation and think they are above the rules all the time.
ScottoGato
Feb 14 2007, 07:52 AM
QUOTE(eiranis @ Feb 13 2007, 04:42 PM) [snapback]3692453[/snapback]
Why don't you close IM thread? it had proved to be more of a hassle for you, you practically babysit that thread! furthermore any question made by non "happy" im members gets swarmed by them!
Ain't it's time to put an end to it? Besides they already got a place where they got no intervention of questioning forces.
There are those of us who welcome the questioning of programs. But far too often, both sides of the argument have ulterior motives behind their questions or responses. IM is obviously no different from other games listed in the HYIP section, but with an attempt to make the game last longer.
You tell me the reason why everyone wants to attack only this game, and not the rest of them, and maybe some progress can be made on both sides.
eiranis
Mar 5 2007, 10:23 AM
QUOTE(ScottoGato @ Feb 14 2007, 09:52 AM) [snapback]3695321[/snapback]
There are those of us who welcome the questioning of programs. But far too often, both sides of the argument have ulterior motives behind their questions or responses. IM is obviously no different from other games listed in the HYIP section, but with an attempt to make the game last longer.
You tell me the reason why everyone wants to attack only this game, and not the rest of them, and maybe some progress can be made on both sides.
You know that there's thousands of hyips out there, we can't possibly focus in more than 1 at a single time.
ScottoGato
Mar 5 2007, 08:57 PM
Well, trying to bring down HYIPs, in general, may seem like a good thing, but really it's a catch-22.
The only sure way to have everyone win, is to make sure they don't start. If they are allowed to start, then that is when it gets difficult.
If you try and break up a HYIP in the middle of it, when it's in full swing, you may end up with an admin that runs and takes all of the money with him. That leaves all the current players without any returns, and the admin fully wins out. Probably not what you intended.
If you let the program go, you have members in the end that will lose out anyway...some players that win, most lose. Admin ends up with a small chunk (maybe). This is if the admin plays the game straight.
Of course, if the admin does not play it straight, admin walks with most of the money, most of the players, if not all, end up losers. This, in my opinion, is when a game is considered a scam.
I would have to say that most of the players now are aware that most of the programs are games. There are some newbies out there that are oblivious, and might consider HYIPs as investments. So, trying to end the games in the middle would put out most of the players who knew what they were getting into in the first place. So, in those players' perspectives, you might be considered a scammer, because you are the reason why they lost money.
The more attention you gives these programs, the more it helps them. With HYIPs, any news is good news. Any attention is good attention. Your views and posts may be negative towards it, but when it attracts attention to the site, you're giving it the possibility to grow even more.
My opinion is to get to them before they start, if you can't...there's really no point.
Fabian70813
Mar 7 2007, 02:58 PM
How do i get my warning removed? Sorry but i have been reading the rules so i didn't mean to offend the mmg so please accept my apology.
How do i get my warning removed? Sorry but i have been reading the rules so i didn't mean to offend the mmg so please accept my apology.
QUOTE(Fabian70813 @ Mar 7 2007, 02:45 PM) [snapback]3793022[/snapback]
How do i get my warning removed? Sorry but i have been reading the rules so i didn't mean to offend the mmg so please accept my apology.
How do i get my warning removed? Sorry but i have been reading the rules so i didn't mean to offend the mmg so please accept my apology.
Thank You very much!! That was fast and i will not do it again
Support Desk
Mar 7 2007, 03:59 PM
QUOTE(Fabian70813 @ Mar 7 2007, 02:45 PM) [snapback]3793022[/snapback]
How do i get my warning removed? Sorry but i have been reading the rules so i didn't mean to offend the mmg so please accept my apology.
Hello
I removed your warnings.
Warnings are removed 30 - 90 days depending on the severity of the warning, how many you've received, and additional factors. Warnings are used by the MMG staff to keep track of who is breaking the rules, which rules, and how often. No one can see your warnings except for yourself and the staff.
Anyone is free to PM any MMG Staff member or contact the support desk to ask about their warnings. Our ticket center can be found here: http://www.moneymakergroup.com/contact/
eiranis
Mar 8 2007, 12:51 PM
QUOTE(ScottoGato @ Mar 5 2007, 10:57 PM) [snapback]3783257[/snapback]
Well, trying to bring down HYIPs, in general, may seem like a good thing, but really it's a catch-22.
The only sure way to have everyone win, is to make sure they don't start. If they are allowed to start, then that is when it gets difficult.
If you try and break up a HYIP in the middle of it, when it's in full swing, you may end up with an admin that runs and takes all of the money with him. That leaves all the current players without any returns, and the admin fully wins out. Probably not what you intended.
If you let the program go, you have members in the end that will lose out anyway...some players that win, most lose. Admin ends up with a small chunk (maybe). This is if the admin plays the game straight.
Of course, if the admin does not play it straight, admin walks with most of the money, most of the players, if not all, end up losers. This, in my opinion, is when a game is considered a scam.
I would have to say that most of the players now are aware that most of the programs are games. There are some newbies out there that are oblivious, and might consider HYIPs as investments. So, trying to end the games in the middle would put out most of the players who knew what they were getting into in the first place. So, in those players' perspectives, you might be considered a scammer, because you are the reason why they lost money.
The more attention you gives these programs, the more it helps them. With HYIPs, any news is good news. Any attention is good attention. Your views and posts may be negative towards it, but when it attracts attention to the site, you're giving it the possibility to grow even more.
My opinion is to get to them before they start, if you can't...there's really no point.
I would agree with you if this were anything else but a game, at least a fair game, where the person running an HYIP wouldn't rob it's users, but unfortunatly it won't happen.
As for IM, someone said that it had an unfair treatment, but I disagree, it's the first time were I see too much trash, payposters floating everywhere, and the stats of that program ain't even real.
For you xReal, you want proof? the proof you require means that I post screenshots of their e-gold account and others, know how do I get that? Intrusion, it's illegal and it will get me in trouble if I ever post such content. Sometimes I question your functionability as a mod.
Call me troller if you must, but I had enough with you.
Know that I won't mention IM, nor pronunce your name ever again.
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