is this really a money makers grp or a money scammers grp ?



......so far EVERY single thing ive looked into here has fallen over and taken ppls money.....i have not yet seen one single REAL programme that Joe average can start in that stays around for more that a day to a month....it seems to me any one can simply post * invest here* and no matter how daft the concept ppl will throw money at it......is it not possable to restrict new programmes being posted untill there info has been checked out and there proven to be a real bussiness set up ?where the person/bussiness can be held accountable for by the LAW! ( for eg: some one here doing some real work ?) rather than programme after programme sucking the cash out of each and every one of us ?......isint everyone sick of looseing and looseing ?......i dont see any one at all making a dime here ecept for the ocasional post from a select few who admit they hit and run......which dosent help the programme at all and really just sucks the cash out of the little guy trying to get ahead.....almost seems like some investers are just as bad as the scammers behind these programmes....when i first joined up here i lost money in every thing i tryed , so i threw my hands up and left......during the last couple of months its simply been a rerun.

Autosurfs and HYIPs are fly by night programs. If you want something that might last longer than a day, check out the MLM, Drect Sales, Affiliate programs, Networking Programs section. It might require a little recruiting, but I think your chances are far better of actually making something.

OR, if you want something along the lines of an HYIP, yet safer, look in the investment sections of the forum.

yeah, look at other folders, man.
...since you've tried AS & HYIPS with less than happy results
try affiliatemarketing, domain selling, google adsense, MLM, etc. for a change.
you'll make money slowly but surely depending on how much effort you put in it.
look at all the sections here, this land mine vision that you see is actually a gold mine.
Happy Valentine's in advance.

I've also posted this over at another forum, and feel it also applies to this thread:

Please Notes before you joined HYIP/Autosurf.... ALL HYIP/AUTOSURF IS A PONZY GAME, NONE OF THEM INVEST OUR MONEY ON REAL INVESMENT (maybe some, but i think only 0,01% of them that really invest our money)

THERE IS NO BUSINESS THAT CAN GENERATE 5-10% PROFIT A DAY (even 1% a day is rare i think)

ALL HYIP THAT IS SAY: Invest on Forex, Stocks, Oil, Casine, etc is BULL****, they just run a Ponzy System and only the admin knows when the HYIP will close, That's why i preferly to invest on HYIP that call themself HYIP GAME becoz i feel more confident to invest or not and to reinvest or not

And Please Take notes, on ponzy system:
- New Investor money is used to pay Oldest Investor
- When Admin think the HYIP's growth is bad, they'll close the money and take the money remain, so Whatever what happen, Admin is the winner

So please always doing research and see the HYIP growth before you INVEST (uppsss i mean, PLAY)

I have worked with a future/options trader for the last half of '06. I have a friend, who is a forex trader.
after lengthy discussions with both of them, and many bottles of good red wine, we have reached a conclusion.

Playing safely, both agree that 12-15% per month is achievable, if well controlled.

PPP's we hear about them all the time, I have yet to see any evidence that they exist.

Account factoring in the right area can achieve returns of 0.6-0,8% per day over a 30 day period.

Short term business loans secured against imports can achieve 0.8% per day.

All in all, a well run Hyip, can produce 25-30% per 30 days, there is still a risk involved, as you would expect.

A Trader friend of mine in options consistently has bettered these figures for the past six years, he will not look at an account under 50,000 under any circumstances.

So tell me where on earth are you going to get 20% per day?

I have been looking very hard at a program that is stripped to the bare bones in terms of running costs, and churning the figures over for months, even at 25-30% per month, you still need some growth in the fund level to make it work, and, work it can.
However add 12% ref com into the equation, and it would fail dismally in no time at all, particularly if hat refcom was perpetual.

Pete

Yea, well thats the way of the HYIP.
Although i did find 1 or 2 which may have some legitimacy to it...OnPoint(which is highly unknown or popular here) being one of my favs since I do the same thing on a personal level...sports arbitrage. Been up for quite a while dispite their success here but have seen this one in various blogs. Even though I can obviously do arbitration myself, its good to see that some sites do actually do some work.

As for the HYIP field in general, its become too common for some average fool to hire a scripter, create a site with so many false claims...and scam others....and the use of monitors is obviously no kind of help anymore anyways.

I've learn to arbitrate and do forex on my own and i prefer not to invest in some stupid sites alligations. Although i did put money in 2 of them recently, its because I got to talk to the admin by email, phone call, or live help and they have some sort of documented proof of what they do...and since i learned to invest for myself, spotting fakes come easy.

Valentine, you have a mine of valuable information here!

Each posters has offered you some useful information and now, it is up to you to apply them.

Don't waste ur time thinking this is the way to 'get rich'. Treat it as gambling & u will start having some fun again in mmg.

In Dec, I saw some opportunities and decided to place bets on 5 programs. Won on all of them even though I didn't get my full payments. And guess what, all the 5 sites r now gone





I am very grateful and give thanks for the abundance in my life.

lately(not quite very recently) I found out that I can foretell who is the winner and who is the loser
in sport game. I am reading cup of coffee and I learn from the dots.
I guess you can use me for free to tell you if a project is a short live or long live.

If you can foretell winners and losers in sports game
then you can foretell almost anything, GPT.
Can u please give me 6 winning lottery numbers (any 6 numbers from 1-49)
so that I can bet on it everyday?

If i win, I will join and support your HYIP in March 2007.
You'll also get commissions from my winnings in form of e-gold.

Haha if are people can win all program that he / she joined, there will no HYIP in this world

I believe 100% ROI every week is achievable. if you know the truth about tomorrow

lottery would be in the future.

hmm... still no lottery numbers.
you're ordinary then.