I really don't understand. Why there is no legal action against scammers? I have invested in many autosurfs / hyips and I lost money more than I earn. Some hyip or autosurf shut down after few days they launched. How can we identify scammer? Why there is no legal action towards them? Why are we still allowing them to run away with our money??

Why do you give them your money in the first place dude.

Good luck trying to find these scammers. And even if you do, what do you say? You got scammed by putting money into an illegal(in most countries) ponzi scam? Do you really want to spend more money pursuing the case? Who will end up with all the money anyway? Look at 12DP and EMO for example. The only ones rolling in cash are the lawyers and receivers. The rest of us wait for nothing.

If there is really no way to catch those scammers, why all of us still investing? Why don't us just buy a site and become a scammer as well? It is not fair!!



I am sure none of you can tell whether a site is scam before you putting in money

Wrong, we can (I can) tell whether a site is a scam or not and we do stay away from the scam. And most of us have learn it the hard way like you. Stop putting your money in these HYIPs; look around you and do some reading.

Have you tried other type of programs? Do you visit other threads/forums beside the HYIP and Autosurf forums? You cannot keep doing the same things over and over and expect different result and this is the definition on Insanity!

Again, do some reading, this forum is a gold mine for people wishing to make money online.

Lol, I very interested about this when i got my first deposit was scammed by HYIP Admin, but afetr i read and read, I Think You can't make legal action against scammer because i think on every HYIP there is some point on Term Of Service/Rules that say:
"MEMBER EXPRESSLY AGREES THAT USE OF THE SERVICE IS AT MEMBER'S SOLE RISK" <- quoted from Fxearners.net, you can read other TOS on other site i believe all site have that word or similar word

And usually when you want to register, you've agreed the Rules, So Admin is not wrong i think

And remember, no HYIP use real address / real personal information (maybe there is some but i think it's only very very little that use real address / personal information)

So...

ONLY INVEST WHAT YOU AFFORD TO LOSE

And Only Invest on a Good Site, not on The Site Running by People who call themselve Honest Admin (except on HYIP that call themselves HYIP Game, i believe there is honest admin on HYIP Game but i didn't believe there is Honest Admin on HYIP that call themselves Investment site)

And Threat HYIP as Gambling, sometimes you will win, sometimes you will lose

that was funny! thx mega

Alot of people have resorted to that, including alot of reputable mmg members, since it's so easy to sucker the majority of investors these days.

Many others like me, are bound by this dang conscience of ours, and a strong belief in god or karma.

Personally I would have liked to the games thing, reworked a little to stop big dollar HAR, sadly I think it got old before it's time, and I am not sure that there can be any going back.

But you are right, run right with perhaps a 10% fee to admin, it could have gone places.

Pete

That is funny.. And it's has it's truth

Scamers can be stopped, but it needs really a lot of action to achieve something. Often it's much simplier to just go away then to try to find a scammer. Everybody who invests understand the risk and take it.

In a few, select cases, mainly when the admins were US residents, and the programs have grown too much to remain unnoticed by the authorities, legal action has been taken, but, in the vast majority of cases, people just accept their loss and move on.

All in all, HYIPs and the word "legal" just don't go hand in hand,

F1RM

The plain simple fact of the matter is that when you sign up for one of these things, it is a gamble. For that matter, any kind of investment is a gamble.

The terms that are written for these sites, and the way that they are run, cannot be refuted. Basically, you put your money in, and hope for the best. There is no real way to identify a scam. I do have some telltale indicators that I use, but other than that, it is very hard to see them.

There are other ways of making money online other than surfs and HYIP's. So if your not making it with these, try something else out.

Can we trace the ip or check the dmain information? Or e-gold themselves should reveal the identity of those scammers. I am sure e-gold has their ip monitoring as well? Wh cant we do tha!!?

Count your blessing you don't get done
for participating and promoting a scam.

sadly, e-gold is part of the scam. I was never been hacked because I am also PC security expert
but when I offer e-gold an inexpensive way to stop hackers they did not buy it.

e-gold tells you:
There are Trojans keyloggers that monitors Internet Explorer windows until a
user visits the e-gold login page: e-gold.com/acct/login.html. Once the
user is logged in, the Trojan opens a hidden Internet Explorer window in
which it accesses the user's account balance: e-gold.com/acct/balance.asp .

After ascertaining the value of the user's account it attempts to transfer
their funds to another account using the hidden window.



Most viruses are conveyed by spammed e-mail in the form of HTML messages.

The scripts run on viewing, no clicking on attachments is necessary. They
may also arrive as image attachments. Once the image is viewed, the program
is executed. Either way, the system is now infected and is just waiting for
you to check your e-gold account balance.

e-gold doesn't tell you how it will never be possible
for the hacker to know your passphrase of password.

why?

ask e-gold.
beside you should download a KeyScrambler Personal
- the plugin that protects all your logins, absolutely free!

I don't understand only why we must be angry for our losses ? We decided whether to deposit ? Usually the terms state that we can lose money and we are losing ? It's sad of course when they steal our $$$$ but why we must put them in the jail ? So we want to earn without any risk ? Or we will send people in the jail. If we want without risk we can visit our banks and deposit there. wow
I don't like scammers too...

kindly remind me the ROI in our banks

topic starter dun worry dey wil get wat dey deserve soon

But it has been YEARS!!! Nothing happen to them!



Are you going to be one of them?

I won't

Don't want trojans? Just don't use windows then. How hard can it be?

E-gold = Scam??
Scam everywhere.....

If u feel this way, u will most certainly be scammed again.

Then what should I do?

Please do not discuss other topics.
Thanks

E-gold is just supporting scammers to make his own $$$$ but this doesn't mean it's scam. Without any programs using E-gold , e-gold won't be doing nothing bad ... its just one software and money system.

I don't agree if someone say egold is scammer
If e-gold is scammed us, they got nothing... (remember we buy/sell egold via egold changer not via egold itself)

But If e-gold supporting scammer i totally agree with this
It very easy to open new acc. in egold and we can use fake data, that's why egold is used for money laundring and as online money for scammer...

But even though false data can be provided, how about the ip address? Can't e-gold trace the user's ip address and catch the scammers?

for most of programs it does not take more then few secounds to figure out that owner's intention is to scam.
with proper research I can find programs which most likely will be profitable, but sometimes even these owners turn out to be bad scammers...


one thing is if you explain terms and run program according to them till it backrupt... members know, that can happen and its risk we all agree to take when investing.

other thing, like with DPS and thenextbigthing2007 admin - explain interesting concept which can run for some, gain trust and then just scam everyone by taking all money and running away instead of playing by his own terms. What do you think about that kind of scammers?

I think HYIP as a game as a lottery... If you win, stop, if you loose, stop !

THE ONLY THING :

Don't put money you don't have to loose (in terms in all hyips)

How do you fihure out whether a program is cam or not? Please teach me.

Do we have an internet authority to fight scam? An authority acting like interpol which has connection with police of every country?

Yes, I'm interested to know that too. Is there a real complain center where we can report the scammers and someone to take care ? Or we must hire a lawyer for thousands and wait nothing ?

From my point of view, HYIP is already illegal way to make profit so it cannot be complain whatsoever. Just consider this as gambling and never put all your money into any particular HYIP and always remember you will lose it and dont give too much hope on getting a fully 100% profit.

And... before complaining, always remember they never force you to join that HYIP you join so dont blame scammer on your own greed.

And... even if you do complain to FBI, Police, ICC, lawyer, etc... your case will eventually goes to the bottom of the sea. Why? It's because the small amount of $ authority people dont really care much about it so if you really lose money in HYIP you're on your own pal.

You have your point. But I really hope there are some mechanisms out there to fight scammers. If not, why are we still being investors? Why not just start scamming and make 100% money?

You might be right. So fighting with the scammers we can end with the title " doing something illegal " - "investing in hyips"

Hah... By trying to catch somebody other, you will finally catch yourself Ironically fun

They are busy with catching the sex offenders online for now.

But, some structures are already being implemented to fight against Identity Thiefth and soon they will begin chasing the Scammers in get-rich-quick schemes and Con Artists online.

There is Legal Action Against Scammers.
Go to the police station and file a complain.

Do you know any source of info or website with the latest progress of the anti-scammer program?




Are you sure? Which country? I don't think my country (Malaysia) has any legal action against HYIP scammers!!

exactly what i was thinking yesterday.. you can only be on one side the other

Troll/Cheerleader there no in between

While watching the International News on Cable, I heard many times that Quebec (Canada) has created an Online Police Unit to catch Identity Thiefs and Pedophiles (from any country) on the Internet.

You could perform a search on the Net and see what you get.

Anyway, here are some useful links:

http://www.cybercrime.gov/reporting.htm

http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,1607,7-164-17...46967--,00.html

http://www.ewosssearch.com/search.aspx?k=i...olice&s=701

http://www.crime-research.org/news/11.05.2004/261/

I heard about one from Malaysia in the jail. The owner of PIP or whatever it was. I even saw picture from newspaper online about it. I'm not sure what are the laws in that country but many are saying it's good offshore zone.

Good offshore zone? Mean zone for scamming activities? From what I know there is no specific rule and regulation in my country (Malaysia) in controling HYIPs. If you know any further information do let me know. I hope I can at least help to make a scammer-free Malaysia.

By the way, I am waiting for your new site.



Thanks for the links. But most of the links are from US and are they going to act against HYIP scammers? I don't see any authority targeting HYIP scamming which is comparatively a minor offence compared to others like child ponography etc.
Even though they do act against HYIP scammers, how about those scammers who are not from US?

I said good because the offshore zones are not used only for scamming. I saw how one good hyip (the hyip of Logan , devildollars ) was shut down because it was hosted in USA and one hyip hater "Cattysha" called the datacenter and shut down the logan's website. I have heard about many such cases. So basically whether the site is hosted in offshore zone Malasia or different or not is an important fact. So the inference is that the existence of such zones is not only bad. I think you must look for a lawyer in your country and ask him about the internet laws so you can be sure if your country is internet scam free or there is authority (or just call the police).

I see you have join programs that you consider being "Safe" and "Reliable."
Soon, other members will claim these same programs are Scams!

Do you really want to fight HYIP scammers?

The programs that I consider as safe and reliable are programs which pay their members.
I define scam site as site which does not pay its members at all and try running away with members' money and the admin will give all kinds of reasons e.g. site is hacked!! (e.g. 12by12daily)

The admins of the programs I recommend are honest admn.

YES!! I REALLY WANT TO FIGHT HYIP SCAMMERS!!!!!

to kenang, yes it is unfortunate that most scammers got away w out getting punished

How disappointing....
Any advice to know how a HYIP is scam or not?