Do we really need surf programs ?

Are they really any different in their outcomes?

Is all that surfing really necessary ?

surfing has a better investors they re-invest and promote but HYIP has the HAR crew...


There both the same AKA Ponzi

So why is that so, why do surfers reinvest and HYIPers not?

Probably becuase most HYIPs offer higher rates than surf programs, which leads to less confidence in programs, which leads to more hit and run investors.

don't know maybe i think surfers are smarter and work togather to make a great Surf whilst HYIP players want it right now and have'nt heard off team work so they HAR from HYIP to HYIP instead off staying at one and making it the next biggy

Is it that surfs keep people more occupied or are they structure that much differently to a HYIP?

Surf's still have that subtle stigma of being more "legit" than hyip's.

People have to commit more to surf's, plus the fact that missed days surfing can ease up strain on the revenue.

Ah ah so there are varyables in a surf make em work for the returns.
I think surfs under utilize their member base as a potential work horse.
They could actually put all those members to work to further the advertising
power of the programs that advertise with them and thus create actual
additional value to the advertiser like search engine ranking and hits.

Making members jump through more hoops for high return could be the
answer why they last longer than a HYIP because in a HYIP their is absolutely
no take away value created, just a 100% drian on funds dposited.

Not like anyone really looks at the ads anyway.

Surfing is a waste of time and the results from advertising is pointless. If it was a real business then Id surf for that but we know those are very few and far between in this industry. I rather be scammed on a website that I dont have to worry about surfing than not being able to earn cause I forgot to.

Courtney

well... i dont know bout yall but im too darn lazy for that crap
too much work
too lil pay
i guess ill be stickin to these hypes or whatever theyre called
hopin to be gettn some cash
gotta pay for tuition

Do not put more than you can lose in this things... very risky especially when your paying for tuition

Courtney

Ok then so why all the diversion in surfs if the ads are produce no
value ?

Some people feel that surfing is safer and less risky than putting money in a HYIP. However, they both have the same risks only thing is with a surf if you forget to surf on a day you wont earn.

Courtney

i think:
1. less surfs than hyips are scams
so its a first + for surfs
2. anyone know any really great (long lived) HYIP? except solid investments, eutrade, ten forever.... don't remember any more
i know only surfs 12by12 & d'nd, 12dp, 13dp, surfnearn, now 12dp2 and 12instant and many many more doing great.. its another one +
3. traffic + i know its bad traffic but what we should do when everyone looking at alexa rank

minuses: need surf sometimes we can forget
i had one more but it has flown out from my head

Are people that play HYIPs like ambulance chasers?

Im not sure what that means. So I dont know

Courtney

Well I have had four days off, relaxing away from surfs, hyips, and forums.

So I think it's time I unloaded with my thoughts.

Is there a difference between surfs and Hyips? No I don't believe so, surf credits are worthless, other than to ref-Hos.

Is one safer than the other? No, they both suffer from HAR, they both have unscrupulous admins that pick the time, and cut and run.

Are they both Ponzi's ? Off course they are, however the Ponzi model alters drastically if there is a percentage of real outside income, it is going to be difficult to change things with the current crop of players expecting instant payouts, and instant results.

To my mind surfs leave you open to way more malware and viruses than hyips, at the end of the day you have a couple of very obvious choices: Stick with the current programs, hit and , run, all the time trusting your luck. Or look back to the more stable long term hyips, where an outside source of income can be generated.

My question is: Are there enough real players left to support hyips that offer lower daily profits over a longer term?

Pete

Answer YES, there is more than enough BUT admins need to be more entrenprenurial,
creative and professional. All this Pathetic low flying ponzi pushing pandemonium has to stop.
No one gets impressed or excited by seeing a color TV, 40 years ago it was all the rage.

Same with HYIP's if they are to attract more punters they have to step up and offer more.

Megaplex

I lost alot of money in hyip one year ago,
now i prefer to earn online income through more "logical" methods..

There are lots of ways to make profits online. You don't need to play games.

Sports betting ?

I liked the concept when I first saw it but I thought i was for people
with Fat Wallets already.

megaplex

Sports betting doesn't appeal to me as I am not into the sports sort of gal. When we do something we love/enjoy,we have a better chance of excelling in it.....common sense.

Also, is sports betting lucrative?

Mega, you have done a few laps around this circuit just like me, entrepreneurial admins are no doubt in the minority, however how do we know the real thing from the pretenders?

I am certain that good hyips can be run, and good profits made by members, but, the members need to realign their thinking.

Surfing was no more than a gimmick, handy perhaps to keep the SEC off the backs of admins, in reality surf credits are a myth, for instance, I have surfed for over a year with a site that has been down, never has an admin challenged that.

The perception that surfers hit and run less often is totally crap, the only people that have made money from the surf industry in '06, have been the hit and runners, (real money).
The days when we could sit back and say,"I am in a program that will earn me some real money over the next six months", are long gone.

Why?
Because that's the way we chose to play.

Pete

Very good observations you made here!

1) Many serious Surfing Programs are only using manual surfbar and believe me 100% of the surfers are watching the Ads.

2) Even if some surfers are not watching the ads on the Autosurbar, the hits are still somewhat useful to help improve Alexa rankings.

3) I only buy 1 or 2 upgrade units when I join those Surfing Program offering high ROI. Why? Because I am only interested in getting some of the hits and traffic they are providing, and Upgraded members receive more credits and can display more sites on rotation. HYIPs cannot offer such services.

4) The common denominator between Autosufs and HYIPs are the ROI and invesment factors. You invest money and expect a return on it. Other than that, Surfing programs have an added value. When with HYIPs, you can only lose your money and you receive nothing for it.

I would tend to agree with what you are saying about manual surfs versuses autosurfs- autosurfs are nothing more than HYIPs with an advertising "front" and though it may not be as quick as an HYIP, they will die. BUT, the manual surf that you speak of should have some other other way to bring in profits for itself to pay the advertised ROI to members, or even the fact that members are actually looking at the ads will not save it from falling to the same fate as a typical autosurf.

No money making business can work if it is purely the members' monies in that are paying any member's monies due to them.

Umm! Not quite Pete.

It's the short expiration periods (from 24 hours to 15 days) that are making HYIPs very vulnerable to the Hit-and-run tragedy.

See, with Surfing Programs the principal invested can take up to 12 months before expiration. And I may be wrong, but I do not see how the Hit-and-run actors can operate when their spends are tight up for a whole year.

I totally agree with you ! Surfing is a waste of time for everyone.

I would love to agree with you Monee, but it is not to programs like yours that I refer.

The programs that I am referring to are the short term surfs, which I see as no more than hyips in drag.

I am very much in favour of long lasting sustainable programs like BAC, and without sounding like a broken record, you generate outside income from one or more sources, this is exactly where I think we should be heading, only the surfing can be optional, if there is a replacement income stream.

Pete

I have nothing against surfing programs as long as I make money

As to whether the surfing part is necessary, well I think it's psychology ie peeps felt better after surfing and their a/c balance increases

not for me
just bought few upgrades in...

If you only Surf not buying upgrade it's better to play HYIP

What about GPT? Beats both autosurf and hyip.

It's just a rumour which is far from truth.
Take a look to The Hyip Experiment: Autosurfs Vs Hyips made by cv71co.

almost all surf programs I tryed, wasted weeks of time to do surfing and when i withdrawed, admin come up with some BS excuse and not pay... or just run away without paying.

I always prefer HYIP, i didnt like that I must surf to earn (becouse i usually dont have time to surf). Now I dont like all that surf program concept at all.