Everyone knows Catty. .. Everyone knows that people have secrets. Catty has a big secret! But what everyone doesn't know is who she really is, and the secrets she may be keeping. Her identity! Her real name is Brenda Sue Bevil. Brenda Bevil is the catty owner. DLCooper is another frequent poster there. From Sulphur, Lousiana.
For some insightful information on catty, or for methods of ahem finding or erm contacting Ms. Bevil take a look at the links below.
Tell a friend, show a friend. I'm sure many people are interested in seeing the wearer of the mask, the voice of destruction, a royal pain in many people's asses
Is this true, what says on this site ? Anyone who is longer in this industry knows more about it?
And I cant understand why would someone like this Cooper man, who seems to have some education, want to participate on forum with such an abusive, primitive and inuslting language and approach to memebrs?
hkartadi
Dec 18 2006, 03:08 PM
QUOTE(CATTYSSECRET @ Dec 17 2006, 05:58 PM) [snapback]3375598[/snapback]
I want to stay neutral at this. Some MMG members already believed that she was not running or promoting that scam site before.
eiranis
Dec 19 2006, 05:34 AM
QUOTE(Netty @ Dec 18 2006, 03:56 PM) [snapback]3380857[/snapback]
wow internet really can be scary
Is this true, what says on this site ? Anyone who is longer in this industry knows more about it? And I cant understand why would someone like this Cooper man, who seems to have some education, want to participate on forum with such an abusive, primitive and inuslting language and approach to memebrs?
All of the Cattysux mods have the same behavior... if the picture is indeed of cooper, omg he have the baddie look, but hey look at the picture they posted there, don't do I look hansome?
hkartadi
Dec 19 2006, 05:45 AM
QUOTE(eiranis @ Dec 19 2006, 06:34 AM) [snapback]3384760[/snapback]
All of the Cattysux mods have the same behavior...
I guess you are right that they have the same behaviour
RisingSun
Dec 19 2006, 07:53 PM
We all have our views I guess
badmammajdollars
Dec 20 2006, 10:59 AM
wow, how did you find all that. she looks like the scary chick from the movie the curse.
Netty
Dec 24 2006, 02:16 AM
QUOTE(CATTYSSECRET @ Dec 18 2006, 01:58 AM) [snapback]3375598[/snapback]
a royal pain in many people's asses
If you follow people at that forum for a longer time, you dont feel like they would be royal pain anymore, but you start to feel sorry for them.
Unfortunately, many of them obviously dont know, what trust, respect, dignity or reall friendship is, and many of them carry a lot of heavy past and dissapointment of life on their shoulders, many also shows with their posts obssesions in some matters and how lonely lifes they really live. Or some, are simple mentaly stucked on a level of 6yrs old child.
I feel sad for people, who can enjoy life only, if they put others personalities down, because that shows, they need this to feel usefull and important themselves, and that is really sad and curse for life.
texas97
Dec 24 2006, 03:40 AM
ur post makes me
bt i have to be neutral
megaplex
Jan 3 2007, 05:31 AM
Is this the the same catty that runs a forum of the same name?
Opps edit I found the answer. Lol
smart_i80
Jan 3 2007, 05:32 AM
QUOTE(megaplex @ Jan 3 2007, 06:31 AM) [snapback]3459384[/snapback]
Is this the the same catty that runs a forum of the same name?
yeah , I think he/she is talking about the same one.
megaplex
Jan 3 2007, 05:54 AM
Well she caught big scammer me, and ripped me to shreds along with her viperous crew.
To what end, other then they could, I don't know.
So look out Peeps, the labeled me a pimp, a scammer, a thief and about every other derogatry name they could muster up.
I have never seen so much filth, muck and mire in a forum in my life.
Their actions are actually worse than the actions of the people they claim to be after. No one should have to put up with the unadultered tripe that they dish out at that forum.
There is absolutely no value there whatsoever, just a whole bunch of hostility and nastyness. If they were actually offering something of value you could admire their efforts, however their efforst I feel will get some of them in deep deep shyt when they pick on someone that blows a valve when they attack.
madcoonploox v megaplex
QUOTE(texas97 @ Dec 24 2006, 08:40 PM) [snapback]3412250[/snapback]
ur post makes me
bt i have to be neutral
Pick a side dont fence sit.
QUOTE(Netty @ Dec 19 2006, 06:56 AM) [snapback]3380857[/snapback]
wow internet really can be scary
Is this true, what says on this site ? Anyone who is longer in this industry knows more about it? And I cant understand why would someone like this Cooper man, who seems to have some education, want to participate on forum with such an abusive, primitive and inuslting language and approach to memebrs?
I agree where is all that hostility coming from, not a good space thats for sure.
nenumphar
Jan 3 2007, 05:54 AM
QUOTE(megaplex @ Jan 3 2007, 03:46 PM) [snapback]3459439[/snapback]
Their actions are actually worse than the actions of the people they claim to be after. No one should have to put up with the unadultered tripe that they dish out at that forum.
There is absolutely no value there whatsoever, just a whole bunch of hostility and nastyness. If they were actually offering something of value you could admire their efforts, however their efforst I feel will get some of them in deep deep shyt when they pick on someone that blows a valve when they attack.
I guess they are after MMG people. I think that the reason why some old MMG members quit was their fault.
They are ugly and dissapointed people and IMHO don't deserve very much attention.
I see them visiting this thread as guests in bunches and peeping (or how is it written?) what ppl are talking about them. Maybe we should not give them that satisfaction.
megaplex
Jan 3 2007, 05:58 AM
QUOTE(nenumphar @ Jan 3 2007, 10:54 PM) [snapback]3459488[/snapback]
I guess they are after MMG people. I think that the reason why some old MMG members quit was their fault.
They are ugly and dissapointed people and IMHO don't deserve very much attention.
I see them visiting this thread as guests in bunches and peeping what ppl are talking about them. Maybe we should not give them that satisfaction.
Well I made the mistake of going there after an invite that looked innocent enough only to be ambushed by the most horrible people on the net I have ever met.
Even the worst scammers arent as bad as that lot.
There forum is a disgrace and disgusting and should be closed immediately.
mongrelpox v megaplex
nenumphar
Jan 3 2007, 06:23 AM
QUOTE(megaplex @ Jan 3 2007, 03:58 PM) [snapback]3459511[/snapback]
Well I made the mistake of going there after an invite that looked innocent enough only to be ambushed by the most horrible people on the net I have ever met.
Even the worst scammers arent as bad as that lot.
There forum is a disgrace and disgusting and should be closed immediately.
mongrelpox v megaplex
I went there too by my own will because I thought they had a good purpose but reading there for a while and watching them attacking innocent people I thought I'd be better keep out of that lot.
There is the danger of getting sucked in with that group hysteria. They are like a bunch of people who were mass-hypnotized by one person and their only purpose is to beat and kill the poor person who accidentally got caught by them.
Attacking Logan was ridiculous! They beat the beaten and are enjoying when a man is crawling is the mud and asking for mercy.
I detest them attacking a tiddler who tried to run a program in honesty. That really shows the league they are wrestling in. Not a very salubrious job!
They would earn my respect by going after real scammers rather than attacking poor innocent people!
megaplex
Jan 3 2007, 06:45 AM
QUOTE(nenumphar @ Jan 3 2007, 11:23 PM) [snapback]3459661[/snapback]
I went there too by my own will because I thought they had a good purpose but reading there for a while and watching them attacking innocent people I thought I'd be better keep out of that lot.
There is the danger of getting sucked in with that group hysteria. They are like a bunch of people who were mass-hypnotized by one person and their only purpose is to beat and kill the poor person who accidentally got caught by them.
Attacking Logan was ridiculous! They beat the beaten and are enjoying when a man is crawling is the mud and asking for mercy.
I detest them attacking a tiddler who tried to run a program in honesty. That really shows the league they are wrestling in. Not a very salubrious job!
They would earn my respect by going after real scammers rather than attacking poor innocent people!
Nuff said eh.
QUOTE(CATTYSSECRET @ Dec 18 2006, 09:58 AM) [snapback]3375598[/snapback]
Everyone knows Catty. .. Everyone knows that people have secrets. Catty has a big secret! But what everyone doesn't know is who she really is, and the secrets she may be keeping. Her identity! Her real name is Brenda Sue Bevil. Brenda Bevil is the catty owner. DLCooper is another frequent poster there. From Sulphur, Lousiana.
For some insightful information on catty, or for methods of ahem finding or erm contacting Ms. Bevil take a look at the links below.
Tell a friend, show a friend. I'm sure many people are interested in seeing the wearer of the mask, the voice of destruction, a royal pain in many people's asses
QUOTE(Netty @ Dec 24 2006, 02:16 AM) [snapback]3412037[/snapback]
If you follow people at that forum for a longer time, you dont feel like they would be royal pain anymore, but you start to feel sorry for them.
Unfortunately, many of them obviously dont know, what trust, respect, dignity or reall friendship is, and many of them carry a lot of heavy past and dissapointment of life on their shoulders, many also shows with their posts obssesions in some matters and how lonely lifes they really live. Or some, are simple mentaly stucked on a level of 6yrs old child.
I feel sad for people, who can enjoy life only, if they put others personalities down, because that shows, they need this to feel usefull and important themselves, and that is really sad and curse for life.
i agree
megaplex
Jan 3 2007, 06:03 PM
Frightening part is that they act with righteousness in their minds and believe that they are in the right with their demolition crew tactics.
Its scary to think people can act like that.
ImAWinner
Jan 9 2007, 01:12 AM
Thanks for your information. I just posted this to my site in the scammer hall of shame as they are now attacking my site with DDOS and hacks and also wolfunds too.
^^Ceteris Paribus^^
Jan 9 2007, 02:24 AM
oh i was lurking at that forum these few days doing some reading
Netty
Jan 9 2007, 04:31 AM
QUOTE(^^Ceteris Paribus^^ @ Jan 9 2007, 11:24 AM) [snapback]3493569[/snapback]
oh i was lurking at that forum these few days doing some reading
oh, no, you did?
it is interesting, that they dislike MMG so much, and doesnt have a good word for anyone here, and yet they do all and everything to come back on MMG as memebrs... lot of efforts in that, dont you think? Seems they cant manage without MMG
^^Ceteris Paribus^^
Jan 9 2007, 04:53 AM
QUOTE
oh, no, you did?
it is interesting, that they dislike MMG so much, and doesnt have a good word for anyone here, and yet they do all and everything to come back on MMG as memebrs... lot of efforts in that, dont you think? Seems they cant manage without MMG
oh miss it seems that you have some sorta grudge with them...that has got nothing to do w me...i just happen to like reading forums and lurk ard here n there i dun think anything wrong w me doing so...i dunno why u hv to attack me with some sorta sacarsm when i dun even know who u r?
fyi i found mmg a few days ago n been reading the general chat and found out abt catty and went there to chk it out n did some reading thats all...
if u go on like this i would hv to report u to mmg admins or moderators
Netty
Jan 9 2007, 05:20 AM
QUOTE(^^Ceteris Paribus^^ @ Jan 9 2007, 01:53 PM) [snapback]3494167[/snapback]
oh miss it seems that you have some sorta grudge with them...that has got nothing to do w me...i just happen to like reading forums and lurk ard here n there i dun think anything wrong w me doing so...i dunno why u hv to attack me with some sorta sacarsm when i dun even know who u r?
fyi i found mmg a few days ago n been reading the general chat and found out abt catty and went there to chk it out n did some reading thats all...
if u go on like this i would hv to report u to mmg admins or moderators
oh, yes I have special bond with them..
but actually I was asking you for opinion, since this is the thread to talk about them and you posted you took time to read things there
But please, if you feel attacked, do not hesitate a second to hit the report button. Moderators here appreciate members who makes quiality reports and help them make forum clean and on decent level
^^Ceteris Paribus^^
Jan 9 2007, 06:11 AM
QUOTE
oh, yes I have special bond with them..
but actually I was asking you for opinion, since this is the thread to talk about them and you posted you took time to read things there
But please, if you feel attacked, do not hesitate a second to hit the report button. Moderators here appreciate members who makes quiality reports and help them make forum clean and on decent level
i reread ur posts lol and think that might be some misunderstandings here, now that clarifiy w me that u were just asking me abt me reading catty...so its all good
me not a report button happy kinda person so i see no point of me doing so as i dun think u will do harm
well actually i lurked there just to get some info abt mmg and as to why theres friction amongst some ppl and yes i do stimes feel that the insults, slyness and rudeness over there are rather uncalled for...
Alicia2
Jan 9 2007, 08:31 AM
After hearing so much about this group here and at other forums, I just had to go check it out. Wow is about all I can say. Sad bunch over there.
gonsaigon
Jan 9 2007, 09:11 AM
QUOTE(Alicia2 @ Jan 10 2007, 02:31 AM) [snapback]3495348[/snapback]
After hearing so much about this group here and at other forums, I just had to go check it out. Wow is about all I can say. Sad bunch over there.
I'm only going to say this.
Focus on what we are doing as individuals, don't get into a sledging war between forums. People will come to MMG, and people will leave MMG, Some are unhappy with their performance, some are pleased. At the end of the day, it's all about individuals.
This forum has been good to me, I have learned, particularly when I have taken the time to digest the information, sure I have lost money from time to time, but I would have done worse on my own.
Vitriol serves nobody in the final analisis.
Pete
ImAWinner
Jan 9 2007, 11:27 AM
its not even about forums. . is attacking my site because I stuck up for wolfunds which her and her crew have tried to shut down(with hosting complaints and DDOS attacks). Actually TG is her resident pet forum not mmg.
megaplex
Jan 9 2007, 06:57 PM
They certainly major in minor things.
Imagine if they put all that misdirected energy into profitable pursuits?
They could be wildly wealthy.
Netty
Jan 10 2007, 08:30 AM
QUOTE(ImAWinner @ Jan 9 2007, 08:27 PM) [snapback]3496324[/snapback]
its not even about forums. . is attacking my site because I stuck up for wolfunds which her and her crew have tried to shut down(with hosting complaints and DDOS attacks). Actually TG is her resident pet forum not mmg.
They attack your site with DDOS? well you have a simple blog there, what they want even that down or I missed something?
ImAWinner
Jan 10 2007, 05:11 PM
QUOTE(Netty @ Jan 10 2007, 08:30 AM) [snapback]3501453[/snapback]
They attack your site with DDOS? well you have a simple blog there, what they want even that down or I missed something?
Because my "simple site" holds a lot of weight and when I stuck up for wolfunds and have him as a paid advertiser on my site then they directed things at me.
FTW
Jan 18 2007, 08:54 PM
The catty crews hit list of paying honest sites they have closed so far are,
devils dollars run by Logan, a well known respected MMG member
Wolfunds run by Wolfie also respected
both Logan and Wolfie have refunded members.
looks like InfiniteMultiplicity is next on the hit list.
FYI...catty owner Brenda has a husband with 3 DUI convictions in the USA. A fact she openly admits
gonsaigon
Jan 18 2007, 11:18 PM
QUOTE(FTW @ Jan 19 2007, 02:54 PM) [snapback]3551871[/snapback]
The catty crews hit list of paying honest sites they have closed so far are,
devils dollars run by Logan, a well known respected MMG member
Wolfunds run by Wolfie also respected
both Logan and Wolfie have refunded members.
looks like InfiniteMultiplicity is next on the hit list.
FYI...catty owner Brenda has a husband with 3 DUI convictions in the USA. A fact she openly admits
If I was married to her, I would probably have 10 DUI's, and have a good excuse for each one.
Pete
FTW
Jan 19 2007, 12:30 AM
LOL...very funny Pete...LOL
hope all is well at your end.
aussiefox
Jan 19 2007, 04:20 AM
?? DUI ??
gonsaigon
Jan 19 2007, 05:28 AM
QUOTE(aussiefox @ Jan 19 2007, 10:20 PM) [snapback]3553320[/snapback]
?? DUI ??
Driving under the Influence.
Pete
aussiefox
Jan 19 2007, 05:39 AM
QUOTE(gonsaigon @ Jan 20 2007, 12:28 AM) [snapback]3553585[/snapback]
Driving under the Influence.
Pete
nenumphar
Jan 19 2007, 06:55 AM
QUOTE(aussiefox @ Jan 19 2007, 03:39 PM) [snapback]3553636[/snapback]
Driving under the influence of Catty
eiranis
Jan 19 2007, 07:41 AM
QUOTE(FTW @ Jan 18 2007, 10:54 PM) [snapback]3551871[/snapback]
... looks like InfiniteMultiplicity is next on the hit list.
I HOPE NOT!! it's a coincidence they hit every and single program i join .
pamelasue
Jan 19 2007, 12:58 PM
QUOTE(eiranis @ Jan 19 2007, 07:41 AM) [snapback]3554224[/snapback]
I HOPE NOT!! it's a coincidence they hit every and single program i join .
Why don't they find a more worthwhile cause to expend all of their energy into? Why can't people get it through their thick heads that we put our money where we want to, as we are all adults here with minds of our own, when we want to? I think that they are worse than the bad admins and scammers with the things that they do. Maybe they should just go back to junior high and enjoy their childish ways with peers of the same mind.
Billy Felix
Jan 19 2007, 03:00 PM
Tried to call up the number it seems like there is no one on the other end answered!
Lets not jump in so soon but its sure sad to get the news. How i hope that logan and NG can be here like the old days.
I think the information look good enougf to trust since the domain is registered with the same address...
BrebesGifts.Com money doubler site, it appears that the BrebesGifts.Com site accepted PayPal and Egold for the money doubler.
Reading the posts it would also appear that quite a few people invested money in PayPal while others didn't specify whether or not they paid via PayPal or Egold. It would appear that if Brenda Bevil did run this money doubler and all indications suggest that she did as well as the almost overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence. Let's take a moment here to look at the facts as we know them and the case for and against her being the culprit. Needless to say that the site seemingly generated a substantial amount of money into both PayPal and Egold.
Guilty?
(1) BrebesGifts.Com was originally registered by Brenda Bevil as a giftware site which appears to have quickly failed. (2) Brenda Bevil's PayPal account is in the name of Brebes Gifts. (3) How would anybody else have even known that she used to own that domain? (4) Only Brenda Bevil could benefit from running that money doubler. (5) Brenda Bevil was reluctant to hand back any of the money and threatened the people who sent her money that she would report them to PayPal for joining scams if they requested full refunds. This would leave one to question what happened to the funds which were not requested back or where the complainant was intimidated into keeping quite about being scammed in fear of being reported and losing their PayPal account. This would add up to no less than extortion or blackmail in my opinion. (6) She appeared to be quite happy to keep this money even though she apparently knew full well that the money was generated from a scam. (7) PayPal closed, froze or suspended her PayPal account despite her public protestations of innocence.
Not Guilty?
(1) Only her word, but based on her actions of claiming to expose scams while previously promoting them on her own sites makes her word just about worthless in my opinion.
I'm now beginning to wonder if Brebes Gifts was ever lawfully registered as a business in the State of Louisiana or whether any taxes were ever filed with the IRS. I will do some further research on this as I suspect that it may not have been legally registered or ever filed any taxes with the IRS. If this should turn out to be the case then I would imagine that Brenda Bevil will surely have a lot of explaining to do!
It would also appear that her husband, James Bevil has a habitual drinking problem after having being convicted not once, but 3 times for driving while intoxicated. One can only wonder how many times he drove while intoxicated and didn't get stopped?
After seeing a close friends daughter in hospital paralyzed from the waist down after being knocked down by a drunk driver as she was crossing the road on her way to school I find it pitiful that repeat offenders are even allowed to get back behind the wheel of a motor vehicle ever again. Drunk drivers are not only a danger to themselves but also pose a severe risk to other innocent motorists that don't break the law!
It is truly shameful and despicable that these individuals try to pass themselves off as public spirited individuals and decent members of the community when the facts all appear to indicate otherwise.
They also appear to have no remit with anybody or any professional status or affiliations.
Another interesting point to bring up would be the donations that Brenda Bevil is collecting, I would hazard a guess that she is not registered as a not for profit org in the State of Louisiana or as a Registered Charity.
Nobody donating has any idea how much money has been donated, how the money is being spent or whether or not it is being declared as income to the IRS. No public records are in evidence or is there an independant treasurer handling the so called funds. For all anyone knows, this money could be being spent on liquor or making bail payments for DWI offenses and the average person has no reason to think otherwise unless the information is made public.
It will certainly be interesting to see Brenda Bevil's responses to these points or how she might try to squirm her way out of the above facts.
Peace
Flint
Jan 20 2007, 02:19 PM
Been watching them for about a year and a half. They pegged onto me when I argued with them over a program I was in. I was put on their radar. I then left them alone, but the 5 different programs I was in all got shut down within weeks. Most of the members there seem to have been in scams and lost on them. Being hurt by scammers, the members there have decided to try and stop others from getting hurt by scams too. I don't see where they have ever done any DOS attacks. They have never been proven to do so although they have angered many. It is said that they report sites they believe to be illegal/scams/or ponzi. From there, the authorities behind them decide whether or not to shut those sites down.
Fair warning....if your site gets tagged by them, if it is doing something illegal, it is going DOWN! Some take longer to be investigated, but I'd say in watching them that 95% to 99% of the sites they report do go down. Do not think they are a joke, or the joke is on you.
FTW
Jan 20 2007, 03:19 PM
QUOTE(Billy Felix @ Jan 19 2007, 04:00 PM) [snapback]3556036[/snapback]
Tried to call up the number it seems like there is no one on the other end answered!
Lets not jump in so soon but its sure sad to get the news. How i hope that logan and NG can be here like the old days.
I think the information look good enougf to trust since the domain is registered with the same address...
BrebesGifts.Com money doubler site, it appears that the BrebesGifts.Com site accepted PayPal and Egold for the money doubler.
Reading the posts it would also appear that quite a few people invested money in PayPal while others didn't specify whether or not they paid via PayPal or Egold. It would appear that if Brenda Bevil did run this money doubler and all indications suggest that she did as well as the almost overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence. Let's take a moment here to look at the facts as we know them and the case for and against her being the culprit. Needless to say that the site seemingly generated a substantial amount of money into both PayPal and Egold.
Guilty?
(1) BrebesGifts.Com was originally registered by Brenda Bevil as a giftware site which appears to have quickly failed. (2) Brenda Bevil's PayPal account is in the name of Brebes Gifts. (3) How would anybody else have even known that she used to own that domain? (4) Only Brenda Bevil could benefit from running that money doubler. (5) Brenda Bevil was reluctant to hand back any of the money and threatened the people who sent her money that she would report them to PayPal for joining scams if they requested full refunds. This would leave one to question what happened to the funds which were not requested back or where the complainant was intimidated into keeping quite about being scammed in fear of being reported and losing their PayPal account. This would add up to no less than extortion or blackmail in my opinion. (6) She appeared to be quite happy to keep this money even though she apparently knew full well that the money was generated from a scam. (7) PayPal closed, froze or suspended her PayPal account despite her public protestations of innocence.
Not Guilty?
(1) Only her word, but based on her actions of claiming to expose scams while previously promoting them on her own sites makes her word just about worthless in my opinion. I'm now beginning to wonder if Brebes Gifts was ever lawfully registered as a business in the State of Louisiana or whether any taxes were ever filed with the IRS. I will do some further research on this as I suspect that it may not have been legally registered or ever filed any taxes with the IRS. If this should turn out to be the case then I would imagine that Brenda Bevil will surely have a lot of explaining to do!
It would also appear that her husband, James Bevil has a habitual drinking problem after having being convicted not once, but 3 times for driving while intoxicated. One can only wonder how many times he drove while intoxicated and didn't get stopped?
After seeing a close friends daughter in hospital paralyzed from the waist down after being knocked down by a drunk driver as she was crossing the road on her way to school I find it pitiful that repeat offenders are even allowed to get back behind the wheel of a motor vehicle ever again. Drunk drivers are not only a danger to themselves but also pose a severe risk to other innocent motorists that don't break the law!
It is truly shameful and despicable that these individuals try to pass themselves off as public spirited individuals and decent members of the community when the facts all appear to indicate otherwise.
They also appear to have no remit with anybody or any professional status or affiliations.
Another interesting point to bring up would be the donations that Brenda Bevil is collecting, I would hazard a guess that she is not registered as a not for profit org in the State of Louisiana or as a Registered Charity.
Nobody donating has any idea how much money has been donated, how the money is being spent or whether or not it is being declared as income to the IRS. No public records are in evidence or is there an independant treasurer handling the so called funds. For all anyone knows, this money could be being spent on liquor or making bail payments for DWI offenses and the average person has no reason to think otherwise unless the information is made public.
It will certainly be interesting to see Brenda Bevil's responses to these points or how she might try to squirm her way out of the above facts.
Peace
Brenda bevil and her little group are well within their rights to report any site they feel may not be legal and give the SEC or any other department the chance to do their job.
The problem is that they beleive they have the right to play Judge, Jury & Executioner.
please either post here or PM me with any info you have on that Bredes gifts thing.
thanks,...these people will be stopped, I promise.
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