ok, my lawyer referred my to another lawyer that defends victims of ponzis. his take was that it's probably some sort of scare tactic, and not to reply to the letter...this attatches me to the case. chances are that nothing will ever come of it. he also said that the letter came from CA.. I live in NC and 12dp was based in NC. He said the CA lawyer should have no jurisdiciton here. His advice was to do nothing, and wait to see if any case was filed against me, if so, I should immediately retain a lawyer, and if I do that, then they may drop the case against me. He said it would take a phenominal amount of money to file cases against as many people who profited from 12dp. IF they do file cases, he thinks that whoever gets a lawyer to fight it will either win or have it dropped, and the ones that don't may have judgements placed against them.
cgfamily...please let me know what your lawyer says.
Thanks for the great info!
I made some money in 12DP myself, and have been concerned about this. It just makes no sense to me that they would think that we would KNOW for fact that 12DP was an illegal activity, when NO OTHER autosurf case has ever been brought to court (that I know of). And the site always claimed they had other investments and that they were NOT a ponzi. We can't see their books or their behind-the-scenes operation, and there had never been another autosurf in trouble (or has been since, as far as I know) - people keep right on playing these autosurfs to this day! The SEC nor any other authority seems to be trying to stop it.
No autosurf legal precedent at the time to say that this would bring any legal trouble.
Seems like a pretty slim legal leg for the receivership to stand on, in terms of forcing members to pay money back. The only criminal I see here, STILL, is ScumPay.
bisou
Sep 6 2007, 02:42 AM
HI kayro
I'm sorry, but there is something smelling fishy.... you fill out the form ... and after only some days you got post to your adress about that ??? Did you ever see a "office" working so fast ??? It's only 1 week or so, that the email from Mr. Lennon came, so that can't be, sorry !!!!!
And also you can read ALL the papers, about what they did all the time, on Mr. Lennon's website (and they get a lot of money to do that)...... and nobody else got this "post" massage !!! (???)
And YES CashMeIn ... The only criminal I see here, STILL, is StormSCAM !!!!!!
kayro
Sep 6 2007, 04:25 AM
Hi bisou,
I can't say for a fact that that's where they got my address to sent the letter. It is a coincidense however. I don't believe I am the only one that got it either. I don't post much on these forums, but I do like to share information when I have it. Especially when it comes to something like this.
Hi bisou, I can't say for a fact that that's where they got my address to sent the letter. It is a coincidense however. I don't believe I am the only one that got it either. I don't post much on these forums, but I do like to share information when I have it. Especially when it comes to something like this.
kayro
Yes I anderstand you 100%, it's very good that you share this informations with us !!!!!!!!!! The people should know that ! The problem is, that there are soooooooo many criminals around the internet, that I only believe anymore in my logic ! But we will see what will happen the next month ! Let us know what's going on with your story !!!
I'm sorry, but there is something smelling fishy.... you fill out the form ... and after only some days you got post to your adress about that ??? Did you ever see a "office" working so fast ??? It's only 1 week or so, that the email from Mr. Lennon came, so that can't be, sorry !!!!!
And also you can read ALL the papers, about what they did all the time, on Mr. Lennon's website (and they get a lot of money to do that)...... and nobody else got this "post" massage !!! (???)
And YES CashMeIn ... The only criminal I see here, STILL, is StormSCAM !!!!!!
You're right, bisou, in that the letter was awfully quick.
But I suppose it's possible that someone in the attorney's office is paid to monitor the registration forms that are being filled out since Lennon's email was sent, and then matching that registration info with the 12DP membership list. If they find that someone filled out the regsitration form who received PROFIT from 12DP, they may try right away to start "scaring" or manipulating those members into sending in cash.... BEFORE 12DP members can start gathering legal info that we can use to NOT pay. So they may feel that striking FAST may be their best way to get SOME amount of money from the people who profited.
Just my 2 cents, I could be totally wrong.
OrganicMan
Sep 6 2007, 07:36 AM
Kayro's appalling situation did not happen unexpectedly!
I remember reading many months ago that it is quite possible that the SEC and the courts will chase after all members who made any money with 12DP as they claimed that the money was obtained illegally.
When the e-mail arrived from Lennon, my first instinct was - DON'T FILL IT IN !!
However, much we might have lost to autosurfing, much of it is illegal I have since discovered and it is not worth pursuing.
I wish you good luck Kayro - my belief is at this stage they cannot touch you, but if they receive enough response from prior members then they can build a case to pursue.
Kayro's appalling situation did not happen unexpectedly!
I remember reading many months ago that it is quite possible that the SEC and the courts will chase after all members who made any money with 12DP as they claimed that the money was obtained illegally.
When the e-mail arrived from Lennon, my first instinct was - DON'T FILL IT IN !!
However, much we might have lost to autosurfing, much of it is illegal I have since discovered and it is not worth pursuing.
I wish you good luck Kayro - my belief is at this stage they cannot touch you, but if they receive enough response from prior members then they can build a case to pursue.
Just my thought -ok? Not a legal response.
Yeah, my lawyer said it helps my case alot that I DID file it on my income taxes....AND at the time, I did not know it was illegal because the website clearly stated that they had other investments....this was my first experience with autosurfing so technically I had no other reason to believe otherwise. Let's just hope nothing much comes of it.
Yeah, my lawyer said it helps my case alot that I DID file it on my income taxes....AND at the time, I did not know it was illegal because the website clearly stated that they had other investments....this was my first experience with autosurfing so technically I had no other reason to believe otherwise. Let's just hope nothing much comes of it.
I don't think that there will come more from them ... and if yes ...... the best you can do is, simly ignor it !!! For me, this was "only" a criminal acition from somebody who want to "scam" you (sorry, but for me it looks like that), so be careful !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (it's not the 1 time I read/hear something like that but from other programs) Take care !!! (and let us know if there comes more)
Yeah, my lawyer said it helps my case alot that I DID file it on my income taxes....AND at the time, I did not know it was illegal because the website clearly stated that they had other investments....this was my first experience with autosurfing so technically I had no other reason to believe otherwise. Let's just hope nothing much comes of it.
I filed it on my income taxes too. I wouldn't be surprised if threatening to send the 12DP info to the IRS is another scare tactic that they'd use. At least in our case, kayro, we're COVERED there!
You're right, bisou, in that the letter was awfully quick.
But I suppose it's possible that someone in the attorney's office is paid to monitor the registration forms that are being filled out since Lennon's email was sent, and then matching that registration info with the 12DP membership list. If they find that someone filled out the regsitration form who received PROFIT from 12DP, they may try right away to start "scaring" or manipulating those members into sending in cash.... BEFORE 12DP members can start gathering legal info that we can use to NOT pay. So they may feel that striking FAST may be their best way to get SOME amount of money from the people who profited.
Just my 2 cents, I could be totally wrong.
The 2 moment I was thinking the same, but after I was going back again to Mr. Lennon's Website and I had read all the papers again and again, I stoped to think like that, becouse they get sooooo much money for there work and as I know, is Mr. Lennon a respectable lawyer ............ BUT ..... you never know !!!!!!! So, lets wait what will be !
dx1997
Sep 6 2007, 03:11 PM
Thomas Lennon is probably one rich dude at the moment.
cgfamily
Sep 6 2007, 05:23 PM
My attorney said that they can and most likely will sue members that made money. I just spent 12 hours going through my stormpay screenshot and will now give this to my attorney...
Yes, it came from a lawyers office in California. Saying I needed to pay them 53,000....and if I could pay in the next 30 days they would deduct 10%. I DID make alot of money with12dp...but I didn't withdrawl that much. Right now I have my CPA looking at the letter and consulting with his associates about the SEC regulations...I may have to get a lawyer to fight this. So...just beware of giving your information to the reciever. I'll keep you posted.
Well excuse me for asking this kayro, but if, as you say, you made a lot of money (even if you didn't withdraw that much), why on earth would you send in your info? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the claims are for members who LOST money, not for those who made a profit, at least that's the way I read it. It says it will be based on MIMO (money in, money out), so if your money out was more than your money in, you shouldn't file a claim. Here's that part of the email:
Once investors have logged in and provided their contact and 12DP account information, it is the Receiver's intention to obtain permission from the Court to use the web portal to establish investor claim amounts and resolve any disputes with respect thereto. It is anticipated that claims will be calculated using a simple money-in, money-out formula (or "MIMO" formula). After investors have logged in, the Receiver will make each investor's transactions with 12DP and MIMO claim amount available to them. Further instructions will be provided for the submission of documentation if investors disagree with their MIMO claim amount.
Once all disputes regarding investor claim amounts have been resolved, the Receiver will provide the Court with a schedule of allowed claims and request permission to distribute receivership estate funds on a pro rata basis.
I think its only for the members who lost money that will get something, however small, back. I know of quite a few people, who joined right at the end, and never even got one payout.
jon
Sep 6 2007, 09:37 PM
Got an answer for my email with thomas lennon's firm with regards if the email sent is legit or not.
Bill Johnston [billj@tflinc.com]
This is a legitimate e-mail from the Receiver.
From: Jon San Juan Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:49 AM To: tfl@tlennonfor12dailypro.com Subject: Is this 12dp email legitimate and came from you office???
Hi,
I am one of the members who invested in 12dp. I am wondering if this letter came from you and if we need to fill the information?
Thanks and hope to hear from your reply soon. Here is my email address: preciososanjuanjr@yahoo.com
... you say, you made a lot of money (even if you didn't withdraw that much), why on earth would you send in your info?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the claims are for members who LOST money, not for those who made a profit, ...
watsuuuup
Sep 7 2007, 02:30 AM
QUOTE
I think its only for the members who lost money that will get something, however small, back. I know of quite a few people, who joined right at the end, and never even got one payout.
WHAT I MIGHT GET MY 1 upgrade back lol as i said in a previous post i started on 12 daily pro with $12 and lost it 11 days later hehe i should have learnt then
kayro
Sep 7 2007, 04:21 AM
ok, I know it was a stupid bonehead move to fill out that info. HOWEVER, I don't think that's how they got my address. Anyway, I'm just going to wait it out like my lawyer suggested.
cgfamily
Sep 7 2007, 08:14 AM
I Just spoke with the Receiver's attorney, this is real and if you do nothing they will get a judgement on you. my advise is to call them...
I got the email from the reciever that said to go online and fill out your information.....and like an idiot, that's what I did. THAT'S how they got my address. (I'm assuming....unless they got it from Stormpay). I got a call from my CPA and he said that it was most likely some sort of scare tactic.... his firm knows more about SEC regulations than I do. HOWEVER, he did recommend that I consult my lawyer....so now I'm waiting on a call back from him.
Yep, that's exactly what I predicted would happen...That's also why I didn't fill out the form.
I made a little over $40,000 with 12 Daily Pro, but in the end, Stormpay whisked away all my profits. If the receiver ends up trying to "sue" me in the process, I probably don't have much to worry about, as long as I find a decent lawyer. But why would I want to go through the hassle?
I Just spoke with the Receiver's attorney, this is real and if you do nothing they will get a judgement on you. my advise is to call them...
My sources (who are SEC experts...maybe even qualified as "nerds") tell me otherwise. One of these experts said it would be a different story if direct bank wires and debit cards had been incorporated into the transfer process. However, because the majority of funding came from a rather unsecure processor, Stormpay, (which claimed it wasn't necessarily backed by REAL funds) anyone harrased by the Lennon gang has many different angles they can immediately spin back at them.
How does it benefit to call them? Won't there be a judgment either way?
Exactly. Those in profit, whether held by or withdrawn from Stormpay can gain no benefit by filling out the requested information.
yurykov
Sep 10 2007, 12:36 PM
QUOTE(vkeong @ May 12 2005, 01:46 AM) [snapback]242159[/snapback]
No minimum payout!! hmmm
I am member of this site.They took my money ,no any replies,no any connections with them, it is really scam.Don`t trust them. I don`t know how return my money back . Yurykov
I Just spoke with the Receiver's attorney, this is real and if you do nothing they will get a judgement on you. my advise is to call them...
Golden rule in these games, don't supply any offline details to anyone unless you are forced to.
Now lets just assume that you supply your details, and you weren't in profit and you are hoping for some sort of small claim to be paid to you by giving the receiver your details. You then receive a summons for the money that you withdrew from the program regardless of what you put in, as the receiver has decided the only fair way was to recover all withdrawn funds as far as possible to build the pot up, and then invites people to submit a claim for their losses. This is what is happening at CEP at the moment.
Golden rule in these games, don't supply any offline details to anyone unless you are forced to.
Now lets just assume that you supply your details, and you weren't in profit and you are hoping for some sort of small claim to be paid to you by giving the receiver your details. You then receive a summons for the money that you withdrew from the program regardless of what you put in, as the receiver has decided the only fair way was to recover all withdrawn funds as far as possible to build the pot up, and then invites people to submit a claim for their losses. This is what is happening at CEP at the moment.
Think about it.
This is correct they do not care about the money you put in.Only what you received. The way they see it you were putting money received from a ponzi source into the program and then receiving more money from a ponzi source etc.This is why they can come at you for all money received.
Golden rule in these games, don't supply any offline details to anyone unless you are forced to.
Now lets just assume that you supply your details, and you weren't in profit and you are hoping for some sort of small claim to be paid to you by giving the receiver your details. You then receive a summons for the money that you withdrew from the program regardless of what you put in, as the receiver has decided the only fair way was to recover all withdrawn funds as far as possible to build the pot up, and then invites people to submit a claim for their losses. This is what is happening at CEP at the moment.
Think about it.
And that certainly qualifies as one important, shiny "Golden Rule," indeed!
I wasn't aware the same situation was happening with CEP? Interesting. Maybe I'll start following that case as well. These situations are bound to happen again with some program based in America. It may not be an autosurf, and the assets may not total over $50 million, but you can expect another ponzi to eventually spring up and catch the government's eye. By watching the series of events that take place in these cases, we know what to expect next time this happens to a program/company.
vcsanchez19
Oct 2 2007, 03:08 PM
Has anyone here paid back money that they were told to do on Aug 31 / Sept 1?
Ryz*
Oct 2 2007, 03:39 PM
QUOTE(vcsanchez19 @ Oct 2 2007, 07:08 PM) [snapback]4416012[/snapback]
Has anyone here paid back money that they were told to do on Aug 31 / Sept 1?
Hey, there. I received your PM- thanks for the update. I figured I might as well post here for everyone to read.
No, I was not asked to pay any money back, but this is probably due to the fact that stormpay zeroed out of my account and essentially took all my profits back in February. If stormpay truly did hand over all the 12DP related assets to the government, then the Feds already have my profits. I would assume they also have a record keeping system of "who withdrew what" while stormpay was still popular.
vcsanchez19
Oct 2 2007, 04:50 PM
Thanks for updating the thread. I received a letter from 12DP about paying money back, but they didn't factor in the money that StormPay chargedback. I can no longer long into my account there as well since they suspended me for no reason whatsoever. I honestly had no idea the site was a ponzi and thought it was legit, since that's what they told us (that they had both offline and online investments and money flows). Any advice on what to do?
Ryz*
Oct 2 2007, 09:06 PM
QUOTE(vcsanchez19 @ Oct 2 2007, 08:50 PM) [snapback]4416096[/snapback]
Thanks for updating the thread. I received a letter from 12DP about paying money back, but they didn't factor in the money that StormPay chargedback. I can no longer long into my account there as well since they suspended me for no reason whatsoever. I honestly had no idea the site was a ponzi and thought it was legit, since that's what they told us (that they had both offline and online investments and money flows). Any advice on what to do?
Sorry, I'm not entirely sure what you should do in this situation. I suppose it depends on the nature of the request. Are they just making a basic statement that they want all those in profit to pay money back to them? Or are they personally demanding that you personally pay them a specific amount?
CashMeIn
Oct 7 2007, 06:48 AM
QUOTE(Ryz* @ Oct 3 2007, 01:06 AM) [snapback]4416323[/snapback]
Sorry, I'm not entirely sure what you should do in this situation. I suppose it depends on the nature of the request. Are they just making a basic statement that they want all those in profit to pay money back to them? Or are they personally demanding that you personally pay them a specific amount?
If it's a demand, I would think that your next step would be to contact a lawyer who specializes in securities. or even better, who specializes in ponzis, if that's possible. I personally have not received such a letter yet, but will definitely contact an attorney if I do.
By the way, when did the letter arrive in your mailbox?
vcsanchez19
Oct 8 2007, 06:24 PM
It was the letter from September 1st that others in here received as well. Nothing has been received since then.
cook
Oct 9 2007, 08:29 AM
it's safe to give them all my infos ? i lost with 12dpro + 1000$
cook
Oct 16 2007, 08:11 AM
plz can someone answer me ?
retfishing
Oct 16 2007, 09:04 AM
I lost about $1200.00 myself. I figure it's gone and mark it down as a learning experience. I am surprised to see any communication good or bad about this mess. I have changed my ISP since then and have a new email address, maybe that's why I haven't heard anything. I am tired of the scammers online, but it is part of the game. Just gotta be more responsible when trying to make a buck here. Sorry I have no advice. Tim
OxySheaGirl
Oct 17 2007, 10:39 AM
I never got a letter and put in a total of $8000 and never got anything out. I just counted it as a loss. Wonder why they never contacted me?
paparaaaapa
Nov 2 2007, 12:20 AM
what is it about the september 1st mail that send out? is it a sign that it will send back our money or what? i did not register the account, can anyone expert to clarify this? thanks~!~
sunymoney
Nov 2 2007, 10:07 AM
QUOTE(paparaaaapa @ Nov 2 2007, 12:20 AM) [snapback]4463752[/snapback]
what is it about the september 1st mail that send out? is it a sign that it will send back our money or what? i did not register the account, can anyone expert to clarify this? thanks~!~
poetri3800
Nov 7 2007, 08:58 PM
I've got this email today, just wonder what is this mean ?
QUOTE
TO ALL INVESTORS OF 12DAILY PRO:
The Receiver appointed by the United States District Court for 12daily Pro ("12DP") has created a web portal for investors to login and view their claim amount. The web portal has been active since August 2007 and investors have been able to login and enter their contact information and account information. However, the web portal has now been updated with transactional information and claim information for each 12DP investor. You can access the web portal from the Receiver's main website: www.tlennonfor12dailypro.com.
The Receiver understands that many investors will have questions regarding how to access and use the web portal, what the information provided in the web portal means and what to do if you believe that the information is incomplete or incorrect. Therefore, attached hereto are detailed instructions for using the web portal as well as a new list of Frequently Asked Questions ("FAQs") for the web portal. PLEASE CAREFULLY REVIEW THE INSTRUCTIONS AND FAQs BEFORE CONTACTING THE RECEIVER'S OFFICE. As always, the Receiver will respond to all investor inquiries as promptly as possible. Please be considerate of other investors -- voicemails, emails and faxes with questions that are covered by the instructions and FAQs cause unnecessary administrative expense and delay the Receiver's ability to respond to other investor inquiries.
snoopy1000
Nov 7 2007, 10:35 PM
QUOTE(poetri3800 @ Nov 8 2007, 05:58 AM) [snapback]4475822[/snapback]
I've got this email today, just wonder what is this mean ?
according to me you can claim your money you have invested into 12daily pro
shun
Nov 8 2007, 12:39 AM
Oh no, i received a positive claim amount. Anyone has a negative one?
CashMeIn
Nov 8 2007, 06:46 AM
It's kind of interesting in the updated FAQs that it doesn't mention whether or not they will be pursuing re-payments from 12DP members who profited. It just says that members in profit will not have a claim unless they file a dispute. But it also says (in a different area) that the Lennon group will continue to pursue avenues for building the distribution fund.
In the last FAQ section (before the updated one) they listed a specific Q&A about whether those in profit would have to pay the money back. And the response to that question was "perhaps", but that they had to e.valuate the legalities of that. They no longer have that specific question listed.
I wonder why.
pompeo79
Nov 8 2007, 09:51 AM
QUOTE(CashMeIn @ Nov 8 2007, 03:46 PM) [snapback]4476749[/snapback]
It's kind of interesting in the updated FAQs that it doesn't mention whether or not they will be pursuing re-payments from 12DP members who profited. It just says that members in profit will not have a claim unless they file a dispute. But it also says (in a different area) that the Lennon group will continue to pursue avenues for building the distribution fund.
In the last FAQ section (before the updated one) they listed a specific Q&A about whether those in profit would have to pay the money back. And the response to that question was "perhaps", but that they had to e.valuate the legalities of that. They no longer have that specific question listed.
I wonder why.
Can someone explain me the MIMO formula? I don't understand something. The lennon site tell: ____________________________ "What Does MIMO mean? MIMO (or Money-in, Money-out) means actual funds invested by a 12DP investor in 12DP ("Money-in"), less all payments of principal, interest, commissions or other amounts paid to such 12DP investor (including credit card chargebacks or reversals of electronic fund transfers) on account of their investment in 12DP ("Money-out"). ____________________________
And until now, it's ok.
For example
TOTAL DEPOSIT with 12daily pro 2000 $ TOTAL DISTRIBUTION from 12daily pro 500$
My MIMO will be: 1500 $ (positive number) (My investments in 12DP exceeded the distributions from 12DP to my Internet account)
Right?
Ok.
But, if i read more from the FAQ:
____________________ What does it mean if my Net MIMO Amount is a positive number?
This means that the distributions from 12DP to you Internet account exceeded your investments in 12DP. You will not have a claim unless you click the "Dispute" box for one or more of your reports and submit a proof of claim and supporting documentation. The proof of claim form can be downloaded and printed from the Web Portal and the Receiver's main website. The proof of claim form has instructions on it regarding what information must be provided and what additional documentation must be submitted. ___________________________________________________________
So now i am little confused. The total money i put in are more that the money out. And the receiver has written the correct result(money IN - Money Out= positive number), so it'supposed 8teorically) that te receiver have to paid me.
but i am confused.
can someone ,kind, hel me?
thank a lot to all
Kalyan
Nov 9 2007, 06:35 AM
QUOTE(pompeo79 @ Nov 8 2007, 11:21 PM) [snapback]4477156[/snapback]
Can someone explain me the MIMO formula? I don't understand something. The lennon site tell: ____________________________ "What Does MIMO mean? MIMO (or Money-in, Money-out) means actual funds invested by a 12DP investor in 12DP ("Money-in"), less all payments of principal, interest, commissions or other amounts paid to such 12DP investor (including credit card chargebacks or reversals of electronic fund transfers) on account of their investment in 12DP ("Money-out"). ____________________________ And until now, it's ok. For example
TOTAL DEPOSIT with 12daily pro 2000 $ TOTAL DISTRIBUTION from 12daily pro 500$
My MIMO will be: 1500 $ (positive number) (My investments in 12DP exceeded the distributions from 12DP to my Internet account)
Right?
Ok.
But, if i read more from the FAQ:
____________________ What does it mean if my Net MIMO Amount is a positive number?
This means that the distributions from 12DP to you Internet account exceeded your investments in 12DP. You will not have a claim unless you click the "Dispute" box for one or more of your reports and submit a proof of claim and supporting documentation. The proof of claim form can be downloaded and printed from the Web Portal and the Receiver's main website. The proof of claim form has instructions on it regarding what information must be provided and what additional documentation must be submitted. ___________________________________________________________ So now i am little confused. The total money i put in are more that the money out. And the receiver has written the correct result(money IN - Money Out= positive number), so it'supposed 8teorically) that te receiver have to paid me.
but i am confused.
can someone ,kind, hel me?
thank a lot to all
Waiting for expert clarification
rileysfriend
Nov 9 2007, 09:03 AM
QUOTE(Kalyan @ Nov 9 2007, 09:35 AM) [snapback]4478716[/snapback]
Waiting for expert clarification
I'm not an expert by any means, but I will try to explain to you how I was able to reconcile my account to agree with what the receiver claimed was my balance. If you have screenshots of your StormPay account, you will need them, so print them out. My account is still open so I printed out my transactions. Then I printed out my account details from the receiver's site. I compared the 2, by transaction ID. I then added the distributions (what was paid by 12DP to my account), and then my deposits to 12DP. I subtracted what was distributed (paid out) from what was deposited, and came up with the same amount that the receiver had in my account.
HTH
anhonestliving
Nov 10 2007, 12:14 AM
QUOTE(rileysfriend @ Nov 9 2007, 09:03 AM) [snapback]4479047[/snapback]
I'm not an expert by any means, but I will try to explain to you how I was able to reconcile my account to agree with what the receiver claimed was my balance. If you have screenshots of your StormPay account, you will need them, so print them out. My account is still open so I printed out my transactions. Then I printed out my account details from the receiver's site. I compared the 2, by transaction ID. I then added the distributions (what was paid by 12DP to my account), and then my deposits to 12DP. I subtracted what was distributed (paid out) from what was deposited, and came up with the same amount that the receiver had in my account.
HTH
I concur with the above. I also have a negative MIMO, and the figures according to Thomas Lennon's calculations balance to the last cent. I am intrigued as to why all his listed transaction ID's are different though. None of them bear any ressemblance to the original transaction ID's from 12dp.
...and of course the calculations don't take StormPay's activities into account :-)
nicolas22
Nov 10 2007, 05:44 PM
QUOTE(shun @ Nov 8 2007, 12:39 AM) [snapback]4476172[/snapback]
Oh no, i received a positive claim amount. Anyone has a negative one?
I also have positive MIMO account, but i put in $1600 to 12dp and never get anything back. So should my MIMO balance be negative? and what should i do now...i have to dispute or accept to get my money back?
thanks for help.
CashMeIn
Nov 10 2007, 08:55 PM
QUOTE(nicolas22 @ Nov 10 2007, 08:44 PM) [snapback]4481616[/snapback]
I also have positive MIMO account, but i put in $1600 to 12dp and never get anything back. So should my MIMO balance be negative? and what should i do now...i have to dispute or accept to get my money back?
thanks for help.
Yours would seem to be a dispute - but they want proof that you haven't received money if you file a dispute.
JerryMaguire
Nov 10 2007, 09:01 PM
How do you know your account is negative or positive???
thegreatguy
Nov 11 2007, 12:33 AM
QUOTE(JerryMaguire @ Nov 10 2007, 09:01 PM) [snapback]4481795[/snapback]
How do you know your account is negative or positive???
(1,234) <-----this is negative
1,234 <------this is positive
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