They won't. Charis will do a deal with SP that will screw us all.

i dont know if this has already been posted but try this link www.stevegirsky.com/

They just wanted everything to themselves and hope to get away with it. This is what they are currently doing.
They are hoping that the FBI and the authorities come out with a verdict that all AS and HYIP are illegal and SP can get to keep all the monies.

you think the feds will let stormpay play stupid? cmon they ran a ponzi before they of all ppl should know what was going on...if they didnt i dont want them in charge of 1 penny of mine

I keep reading the word victim in every SP announcement...

Exactly how many victims were there prior to SP's freezing of AS Accounts?...

Who exactly created the victims in this case?

Just wondering...

Maybe SP is using this chance as a redemption to their past bad deeds.

Seems more like vengance to me.

EDIT: I need more sleep. No rumors. Sorry!

how do I edit my profile in 12DP, it seems to give me such message.

"Your full name (first and last) is required

No changes have been made
Please click 'go back' and fix the above issues and re-submit your changes."

Sweet dreams Esoteric

Cahira

SP



Yeah she is probably trying to make a deal with them but I dont really think SP will deal with her. I think they have her between a rock and a hard spot.

They didn't, I read it wrong and need to go the hell to bed.

I'm sorry though, that's how rumors get started and that is the LAST thing I want!

If you could edit my quote out of your post it would probably be for the best, I don't want people to scan through the thread, see that, and think it's true!

heh, thanks.

Okay...go back and edit your posts here and in the AT thread about that and I will do the same.

Have a good rest


Cahira

They will probably find them illegal but they wont be able to keep the money.

There is only one point on this whole fiasco. Scampay still has to account all the missing money. He is just a middleman who will transfer money from payer to payee. It is processor that definitely only gets revenues from their services. Now with regards to money missing then I believe that Scampay should be able to justify that they are no the ones who took the money. Because I believe that their should be no money loss in this transactions.

Thanks Cahira

Now go to bed!!!!

From the looks of things, Mr Grisky is going to be spending a lot of time in court over the next year or so. Nearly everytime I go to a forum someone wants to sue him. I suspect that he will be carrying lots of debt and leins after this episode. At the very leats all the court time this fiasco will require should keep him away from his job for a while.

well the saga continues. Will we get our money? I don't think so. Has Charis done a deal with scumpay? most likely. Was 12Dp on the verge of collapse? most likely? Was scumpay going to collapse if 12Dp withdrew their money? most likely.

Have we all been scamed by Steve and Charise? Most likely.

yay for pessimistic assumptions

I think that's why e-gold has always managed to stick around. They are very hands-off and no one's parents or psuedo-cops. That does benefit scammers but I think that e-gold still has the right idea about not getting involved in programs until it is clear that fraud is taking place. SuckPay in the AS situation just decided *it will take place sooner or later so we are freezing everything now* out of the blue? Why? Because they got stung by hyip chargebacks and couldn't cover 12DP's withdrawal is my guess. The invetigations and all came shortly thereafter but I don't think the day they told Charis NO that any had begun just yet.

NUK

Just read this on the 12DP forum about the recent SlimePay update that they have been under a ddos attack.


This is a reply to an email to "prolexic" about thier supposed DDoS attack.





Thought it was interesting

Hope you guys read Latest Post by Charis on Mr. Hicks

is that mean stormpay lie?

always.

Scum pay lie?

I agree man.

One thing you ahve to give Charis credit for though: she was right from day one about Stormpay: THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY. Simply put.

It should be becoming more and more obvious to all of us who are following this saga that this is the case. All Stormpay's actions are indicating they are not going to pay the members and that they need to put back money in those AS accounts. They claim to know how much the AS owned its members but the truth is that 12dp and AS had very few people who did not get paid through stormpay in the recent past.

Man like everyone said, the only thing we could do at this point is request chargebacks. This situation is hopeless. Stormpay has been getting away with its lies and 12dp's image is going further and further down the drain.

When will this nightmare end?

Maybe someone can forward this piece of useful information to the respective agencies.

Anyone else find this funny?

http://netiba.com/si.php?12dailypro.com ---> Status: NOT APPROVED


For whose benefit did they do that? lmao

I just love how Stormpay says that they are TRYING SO HARD AND WORKING SO HARD for us! LOL yeah right such BS! mmmmmmmm yeah we are working so hard to get you your refund..... uh huh and I am Elvis.

Yes they are working THAT hard they are even charging back funds from my account to hyips that don't even exist any more - and that owed me money anyway.

If they would just come forward and say something like ''we are trying to get all the funds associated with all the hyips/surfs that we have dealt with, because the authorities say we have to, then we can set about refunding all those poor unfortunate souls who were taken in by these schemes...etc etc ....this will take a while, but we will keep each and every one of our account holders fully informed of the situation''


Yea. Then I woke up.

Oh and I see that the nasty mens and their ddos attacks have decided to have breakfast so I can go into my SP account, survey the damage, and rub salt in my own wounds.

They are trying to prove to the authorities that what SP did is correct because it is a ponzi. Other "recognised" internet validator such as NetIBA also say so.

http://www.abc4.com/local_news/local_headl...8D-3F693CB968F6

RIP 12DPRO.

We'll see what happens next week

Only when they speak.

And this is interesting:

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ABC 4 will accompany Johnson on his quest for answers. Watch for reports from both Tennessee and North Carolina beginning Sunday on ABC 4 News at 10:00 p.m.
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Stay tune!



Why next week? ... Did you read properly ABC4? Why do you want to wait till next week?

Johnson leaves this sunday and he will stop first at Stormpay. We´ll get the news in few hours (from the time of the writing - GMT).

Again watch for reports from both Tennessee and North Carolina beginning Sunday on ABC 4 News at 10:00 p.m. (EST I believe).

this will be fun

StormPay CEO Steve Girsky told ABC 4 News the accounts were frozen after discussions with the FBI as well as the Attorneys General of North Carolina and Georgia. He did not say that law enforcement ordered the shutdown of money flowing through StormPay to 12DailyPro, only that he was cooperating with investigators.



so they were not asked (sp)to freeze accounts by the (fbi??)they just did it for the fun of it
they were bored so they decided to do this add excitement to their otherwise pathetic boring lives
so if they weren't asked to freeze accounts they can unfreeze them as quick

he is hijacking the thread with his referral link, somebody plz hit the report button plzzzzzz!

I hate scumpay=stormdontpay=stormscam=sotongpay

I am sure of one thing... that you are SPAMMING

hey guys, did you read the last article about stormpay in theleafchronicle? steve said that 12dailypro hadn't paid since 7th of jan. than why did i get a payment on the 20th? ffffffffffffin lier Steve "shot me down" Grisky

yeah, the news was since yesterday, and charis did mentioned it in the 12dp forum..
she now gave us the green light to shoot that grisky off



yeah, he is spamming, fame, juz hit the report button!!

HAHA...keep sniffing that glue of yours! My goodness...

Ok not much happened while I tried to sleep....
rehashed some old news I see....

two conflicting reports about the DDOS reports it seems, if I read the email from prolexic correctly they may have had some attacks but that is not what was preventing the site from working?

Looks like someone said something in regard to my statement about keyloggers. I did not say it was necessarily SP doing it, but whoever is hacking with these keyloggers they have only one intent, to get your user name and passwords use your bank account or credit card. I personally did not have any keyloggers until the crap hit the fan with SP and the site was continually down. I have been so paranoid about it that any outside page I access from a link within this forum immediately has me running four different programs to verify I did not get a keylogger again. As of yet I cannot verify where the heck they are coming from but that is the point of hacking is it not? To do it so you cant figure out who is doing it? Also note in SP's latest statement the say they can prove that any money taken by SP form customers accounts came from thier own keyboards and computers? Ok well tell me how these people gave SP more money from thier banks when they could not even access thier accounts at SP?

My stance on who this war is with remains the same, SP for sure, If what SP is saying is really true and they really beleived it they still handled it the wrong way. While they were insinuating law enforcement was involved they really should have involved them perhaps. Also insinuates some serious flaws in thier program if they were making payments to customers that 12DP did not have, that is yet to be really explained. If there was no money you dont allow payment. YOu dont go back and take back from those actually paid. I also beleive that all the reversals will leave virtually not a whole lot in the 12dp account.

The fight right now is with SP. If and when the funds are given back to 12dp then you can attack Charis.

[quote name='lowridermac' date='Feb 12 2006, 06:20 AM' post='1185048']
I have money in 12dailypro too :-(
I'm sure the good guy is stormpay, and that 12dailypro is lying to its members.

Well, this one tells honestly what it is all about:


Telling what its all about does not make it legal by the way and please put your links in your signature before someone hits the report button on you for spamming. then go log on to SP and see if they will give you your money to your bank since you beleive in them so much, after that keep on doing business with them, they need loyal customers like you!

i think the case is this.... when authorities (fbi etc) are done with this investigation and if conclusion is that 12dp is legal then stormpay has no other choice than release the 12funds.

but if the 12dp is not legal businness, then i dont know do we get our money back

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we'll see what abc4 has to report in a bit

I think these are two separate issues now. 12dp being legal or not does not give SP rights to take money and move it around as they have done. Seems they moved all the money around from all over the place including money that did not appear to have anything to do with 12DP or any other AS. Also they are not specific with customers as to what dates they are reversing to. It is quite frankly not thier business to decide who gets paid with whose money. Thier options were clear, freeze the accounts, involve the authorities, let the authorities decide what to do. they did not do this, they decided on their own to play FBI, judge and jury. Even if all programs are found to be illegal, I still don't see where this company SP has any right to decided who gets money back and at what percentage.

How would you like it if your bank decided to start deciding which of your checks and payment to put through first? Your bank decided that the people you bought your car from was a scam so they didnt pay them. Then your car got repossessed and you cant get to work. I know that is a little far fetched but essentially that is what SP has taken upon themselves. It clearly states in thier TOS which they keep uding to show you they are right that they are not responsible for what you do with your money. You cannot stick one part of the TOS in your customers faces and threaten them and ignore the rest of it.

Nicely put, scaredykat. As usual, I agree with what you say. They are two seperate issues, until SP / FBI / whoever comes and tells us there was a judicial reason for their actions.