QUOTE(Kuja @ Feb 11 2006, 06:59 PM) [snapback]1173726[/snapback]
but nascarnut the only prob with ur theory is charis has mentioned specifically before that she doesnt do forex or stocks...
only ponzi
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but nascarnut the only prob with ur theory is charis has mentioned specifically before that she doesnt do forex or stocks... only ponzi
Oh, and also....
Charis should pay us our pending payouts as well. I have $2,500.00USD just PENDING to be paid... I should get this money, as well as other members pending payments. Not just refunds.... PENDING PAYMENTS!! DON'T BE GREEDY CHARIS, THAT'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS QUOTE(fame @ Feb 11 2006, 01:41 AM) [snapback]1173590[/snapback] Any more names that I can add to my signature? StormScum StormThugs QUOTE(fame @ Feb 11 2006, 01:41 AM) [snapback]1173590[/snapback] Any more names that I can add to my signature? You can add: StormCrook StormPayBankrupt StormShame StromScrewers StormyKY StormVasaline StormPlugger StormPlunger StormPay4Sale ScamClix
StormPathetic
StuckPay StormNoPay StormGay StunPricks 
QUOTE(haloevo @ Feb 11 2006, 07:02 PM) [snapback]1173748[/snapback] Oh, and also.... Charis should pay us our pending payouts as well. I have $2,500.00USD just PENDING to be paid... I should get this money, as well as other members pending payments. Not just refunds.... PENDING PAYMENTS!! DON'T BE GREEDY CHARIS, THAT'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS lol. I have nearly 7K pending. Fat chance of seeing a cracker. QUOTE(haloevo @ Feb 11 2006, 07:02 PM) [snapback]1173748[/snapback] Oh, and also.... Charis should pay us our pending payouts as well. I have $2,500.00USD just PENDING to be paid... I should get this money, as well as other members pending payments. Not just refunds.... PENDING PAYMENTS!! DON'T BE GREEDY CHARIS, THAT'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS you have a crap signature as well QUOTE(haloevo @ Feb 11 2006, 12:00 PM) [snapback]1173738[/snapback] Guys, I know the chances are slim to none.... but imagine... just for a second, imagine 12dailypro went into business and started allowing new members, and current members to start upgrading and referring again. Wouldn't that just be amazing...  .................................I miss 12 daily pro... But no money left to invest
QUOTE(nascarnut @ Feb 11 2006, 02:48 AM) [snapback]1173657[/snapback]  This is the way I see it . I just want to tell you that it is true that she can pay people the money she is pay with know problem . I did not want to say anything to let people what she maybe doing with your money but giving you about 9% a day on your money was not a problem . Anybody that plays the stock market knows that it is know problem to make 9% a day on your money . Let me just give you a example . If you had 1000 shares you got at $4.70 a share and it went up to just $5.00 and sold them , you would make $300.00 in just a few minutes . That is a return of 33% on your money .Lees fees of $60 dollars ( $30.00 to buy and $30.00 to sell ) total profit $240.00. And people ask how can she pay . Not a problem . You can see just on a $.30 move on 1000 shares your return is about 25%.These is only on one buy and sell .The way stocks move up and down you can do this 2 or 3 time in one day .You could double your money in one day . Am I right or am I wrong . Please can some tell me that my #'s are wrong .I think that may be why she did not want to tell everyone what she was doing with your money . I could be wrong about this . I think that she was giving us most if not all the money she was making .I can tell you that if this is what she was doing she did not need more people to join up . She could of run on what people she had .When she said that she was going to open a new site for people that wanted to use EMO , stormpay knew that everybody would go with EMO for what they tryed to blackmail her.So they frooze her account and other AS just to make it look go for them. They did not know what support she had . When the started taking money from peoples accounts was just another nail in there coffen . People should of just let them do this and wait until she got the money and then take them out of the picture .Some times you have to lose a battle to win the war.I think she wanted to get the money to pay everyone and to get the new site going . I love the way people say that making this kind of money on a consistant basis is so easy. Do you actually trade stock??? QUOTE(justthefacts @ Feb 11 2006, 07:10 PM) [snapback]1173814[/snapback] I love the way people say that making this kind of money on a consistant basis is so easy. Do you actually trade stock??? You are right. If it was that easy rest assured more would be doing it.
Is Hits Daily Pro the name of the new autosurf for 12DP??
QUOTE 12dp Update - Feb 11, 12:30am - by Charis - 12DP Admin at 2006-02-11 01:12:48 I wanted to take this time to give you all a quick update on how things stand as the week comes to a close. :: EMO Refunds Slowed More By Chargebacks We need to inform you that our announced EMO refund schedule has been severely slowed. In addition to the fact that the funds intended to fund our EMO account are still being held in StormPay, some members who purchased upgrades with EMO have initiated chargebacks. The enormous fees that this has caused us to incur are depleting our reserve fund there. However we hope that new revenue that we will mention below will allow the speed of refunds to pick up next week. Payment processors that accept credit cards do not belong in the autosurf-hyip arena. There will always be chargebacks and this will always be a problem with these programs/games. QUOTE(Kuja @ Feb 11 2006, 01:59 AM) [snapback]1173726[/snapback] but nascarnut the only prob with ur theory is charis has mentioned specifically before that she doesnt do forex or stocks... If Coke Cola reveiled their secret of their success, you wouldn't continue buying their product when you have the formula to make it for yourself. So why should Charis tell us. I'm sure if a court order is ever served then the business model will be revealed. As they say follow the money, you find the problem..... The problem is Stormpay... So what financial problem is Stormpay In. QUOTE(Radical Gold @ Feb 11 2006, 07:20 PM) [snapback]1173874[/snapback] Payment processors that accept credit cards do not belong in the autosurf-hyip arena. There will always be chargebacks and this will always be a problem with these programs/games. They are not games!!! Maybe to you. how else do people from around the world prop these "games" up? QUOTE(Lucian Reign @ Feb 11 2006, 07:17 PM) [snapback]1173858[/snapback] Is Hits Daily Pro the name of the new autosurf for 12DP?? The proposed auto-surf. It will never get off the ground.
Thanks everyone for the names.
 QUOTE(haloevo @ Feb 11 2006, 12:02 AM) [snapback]1173748[/snapback] Oh, and also.... Charis should pay us our pending payouts as well. I have $2,500.00USD just PENDING to be paid... I should get this money, as well as other members pending payments. Not just refunds.... PENDING PAYMENTS!! DON'T BE GREEDY CHARIS, THAT'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS stop trying to blame 12dp , its all sps fault, i have big money stuck in here as well,lets hope for the best,cheers!! QUOTE(fame @ Feb 11 2006, 07:25 PM) [snapback]1173912[/snapback] Thanks everyone for the names. what about don'tpay QUOTE(gauranggupta @ Feb 11 2006, 04:26 PM) [snapback]1173919[/snapback] stop trying to blame 12dp , its all sps fault, i have big money stuck in here as well,lets hope for the best,cheers!! yep - we all have our money stuck - hopefully later we shall see all that money relasesed - hoping it is next week!!
QUOTE(Lucian Reign @ Feb 11 2006, 07:30 PM) [snapback]1173945[/snapback] yep - we all have our money stuck - hopefully later we shall see all that money relasesed - hoping it is next week!! Who will release it? the FBI,BBB and all the others with their finger in the pie. QUOTE(Lucian Reign @ Feb 11 2006, 12:30 AM) [snapback]1173945[/snapback] yep - we all have our money stuck - hopefully later we shall see all that money relasesed - hoping it is next week!! same here mate so i can get my surfing business back on its feet ,sp has crippled it really badly at the moment !! QUOTE(chloe2651 @ Feb 11 2006, 12:32 AM) [snapback]1173962[/snapback] Who will release it? the FBI,BBB and all the others with their finger in the pie. if there is no HOPE , there is no use living. dont be so pessimist lets hope for the best . QUOTE(Lucian Reign @ Feb 11 2006, 12:17 PM) [snapback]1173858[/snapback] Is Hits Daily Pro the name of the new autosurf for 12DP?? I think its owned by 12DP, because when u try to visit this site it diverts to http://advertising.12dailypro.com. But not working yet.
do u guys think EMO is also same as SP, just out to cheat our money
QUOTE(RoLanTo @ Feb 11 2006, 12:38 AM) [snapback]1174002[/snapback] do u guys think EMO is also same as SP, just out to cheat our money cannot say abt any1, however ancient a member here alwaz said sp had a bad past, i dont think emo will scam but can we gurantee??no .
I just remembered how much in the hole I am. Man this hurts my ambitions and what I've been trying so hard to achieve.
Waking up some day soon to a news post on 12DP saying the funds were released and were all getting our money back would be a god send. 
miss of " I get paid " ..... " Id xxxx "
 QUOTE(chloe2651 @ Feb 11 2006, 12:28 AM) [snapback]1173939[/snapback] what about don'tpay There you go. I can't add any more names. You can make your own smilies and add the names you want. http://www.smiliegenerator.com
Who wants some more?
Autosurf' sites stir fear of fraud http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/business/13846303.htm For anyone who missed news links, here are some previous links: CNN and WSJ But nobody reads that.
QUOTE(Tuk @ Feb 11 2006, 12:40 PM) [snapback]1174013[/snapback] I just remembered how much in the hole I am. Man this hurts my ambitions and what I've been trying so hard to achieve. Waking up some day soon to a news post on 12DP saying the funds were released and were all getting our money back would be a god send. Same here
QUOTE(chloe2651 @ Feb 11 2006, 09:32 AM) [snapback]1173962[/snapback] Who will release it? the FBI,BBB and all the others with their finger in the pie. Nope. Most likely the SEC. If it comes to that I'm thinking this will be outcome: http://www.sec.gov/divisions/enforce/claims/ebiz.htm http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr16886.htm And recovering funds something like this: http://web.archive.org/web/20010505203915/...ets/assets.html Note: I'm saying if it comes to that. QUOTE(sirajpatel @ Feb 11 2006, 01:04 AM) [snapback]1174143[/snapback] Same here I have the same sinking feeling that you both have QUOTE(deltaforce @ Feb 11 2006, 01:16 AM) [snapback]1174208[/snapback] Nope. Most likely the SEC. If it comes to that I'm thinking this will be outcome: http://www.sec.gov/divisions/enforce/claims/ebiz.htm http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr16886.htm And recovering funds something like this: http://web.archive.org/web/20010505203915/...ets/assets.html Note: I'm saying if it comes to that. Thanks, this is a good informative post. But as you say: ''If it comes to that''... I see the SP site is still 'down'. Has it been down all night? (I am on CET so it's 10:33 am here now) QUOTE(Tuk @ Feb 11 2006, 12:40 AM) [snapback]1174013[/snapback] I just remembered how much in the hole I am. Man this hurts my ambitions and what I've been trying so hard to achieve. Waking up some day soon to a news post on 12DP saying the funds were released and were all getting our money back would be a god send. Yes, it is quite amazing the range of emotions this is putting us through. From angry denial to feeble hope. Ugh. I am also in the hole as you put it, as I am a relative newcomer to this industry. The financial freedom this offered has turned into a financial burden.  I did''nt invest more than I could afford to lose at any one site...but put them all together and : 
For those who still refuse to see that SP is the culprit in this AS fiasco and still choose to point the finger at 12dp, this is for you, along with news reporters of ABCNews4, WSJ, CNN and the Dean of BYU:
The Making of a New Sequel... 
[quote name='anhonestliving' date='Feb 11 2006, 01:37 PM' post='1174284']
I see the SP site is still 'down'. Has it been down all night? (I am on CET so it's 10:33 am here now) YEs, I cannot access it it since more than 12 hours...But does it make any difference  QUOTE(anhonestliving @ Feb 11 2006, 01:37 PM) [snapback]1174284[/snapback] I have the same sinking feeling that you both have Thanks, this is a good informative post. But as you say: ''If it comes to that''... I see the SP site is still 'down'. Has it been down all night? (I am on CET so it's 10:33 am here now) Yes, it is quite amazing the range of emotions this is putting us through. From angry denial to feeble hope. Ugh. I am also in the hole as you put it, as I am a relative newcomer to this industry. The financial freedom this offered has turned into a financial burden. I did''nt invest more than I could afford to lose at any one site...but put them all together and : We never knew that all the sites will run at the same time (for whatever reason, may be stormpay).. But we have to find out the solution for this,,,to regain something. QUOTE(tmaneval @ Feb 11 2006, 01:38 AM) [snapback]1174342[/snapback] For those who still refuse to see that SP is the culprit in this AS fiasco and still choose to point the finger at 12dp, this is for you, along with news reporters of ABCNews4, WSJ, CNN and the Dean of BYU: The Making of a New Sequel... Storm Pay has certainly been the catalyst for this disaster, no doubt about that.
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Time to tell CNN and Wall Street Journal the TRUTH!! Let them know about STORMPAY, and how they have all the money frozen and are not releasing it, also how 12DailyPro was known on the online world as reliable and always paid on time every time. StormPay caused all the problems. Let them know that so they don't have biased reports. It takes numbers to make change, send an email!! Copy and paste this into your send field and let your voice be heard, this is not a call for an uprising but simply just state the truth. It worked for ABC4 when we all did it, as they shed some light on StormPay and their history, of also owning a ponzi scheme that got shut down. Be sure to mention how they had their scheme shut down, how they froze money, how they changed their TOS agreement, and how they charged back users without consent, and how they blackmailed AutoSurfs to use only them as a payment processor, and also how they had no problem collecting fees at 6.9% and 2.9% for over 10 months before deciding to open their mouth. I have collected some popular emails below to worthy news media. Its already all over the place, so theres no point keeping it quiet. Most important, Make sure they know you are missing money and its StormPay's fault POWER IN NUMBERS. cnnmoney@money.com, newseditors@wsj.com, feedback@wsj.com, JohnStossel@abcnews.com, Foxreport@foxnews.com, Newswatch@foxnews.com, Studiob@foxnews.com, Special@foxnews.com, Oreilly@foxnews.com, dateline@nbc.com, brent@abc4.tv
hey sorry to interrupt here but 2 days profit has been paying for 8 days in
a row now and is running a 100 dollar special for a while longer get in now and make some money back fast 100 dollars gets you 1000 dollars go check out the thread hurry its going fast dont get shut out just trying to help you get your losses back but i like the 2 day plan the best you can choose ok
i think we all must be grateful to Charis. For all these years of online earning, have any of you seen any incident as big as this? FBI, CNN etc are all involve in solving this problem. I must say, it is an honour to be part of the headlines
I hope We all can recover our funds from Stormpay. I don't mind just taking back my capital and not the earnings and referal commision.  QUOTE(jr3 @ Feb 11 2006, 02:49 AM) [snapback]1174396[/snapback] hey sorry to interrupt here but 2 days profit has been paying for 8 days in a row now and is running a 100 dollar special for a while longer get in now and make some money back fast 100 dollars gets you 1000 dollars go check out the thread hurry its going fast dont get shut out just trying to help you get your losses back but i like the 2 day plan the best 
QUOTE(jr3 @ Feb 11 2006, 01:49 PM) [snapback]1174396[/snapback] hey sorry to interrupt here but 2 days profit has been paying for 8 days in a row now and is running a 100 dollar special for a while longer get in now and make some money back fast 100 dollars gets you 1000 dollars go check out the thread hurry its going fast dont get shut out just trying to help you get your losses back but i like the 2 day plan the best Be careful about it..I dont want to discus much about it in this forum but there a mistake on this site 1000% is after 10 days, not 2 days.
QUOTE(jr3 @ Feb 11 2006, 10:49 AM) [snapback]1174396[/snapback] hey sorry to interrupt here but 2 days profit has been paying.... thanks join below Nah, not interested: they don't offer StormPay as pp. Hahahaaaa 
Just in my mailbox,
You have received a message from 12 Daily Pro: I wanted to take this time to give you all a quick update on how things stand as the week comes to a close. :: Continued Silence From StormPay We our attorney still has not received a reply from StormPay to our demand letter. So now we move forward with legal action to retrieve our funds from StormPay. Due to obvious reasons, I am unable to give any specifics regarding these actions(s), but know that they will be swift. But please understand that there is a possibility that the resolution of this matter will not be, as investigators have now become involved at the behest of many of you regarding StormPay’s most recent actions. However, we remain undeterred in our attempts to regain access to our account so we can honor our goal to issue refunds.
12 Daily Pro Members Taking Action To Recover Money
http://www.abc4.com/local_news/local_headl...8D-3F693CB968F6
Sorry old news,
i didn't go back far enough. Pete QUOTE(jwinathome @ Feb 10 2006, 10:43 PM) [snapback]1173167[/snapback] Well this is very interesting. Charis is still looking for ways to build revenue. If the FBI is really investigating her, would they allow this to happen? Well, depends on how legit the new program (HitsDailyPro) is ...  There are a lot of 3 to 5 years-old online advertising programs that are fully legit, such as HitPulse, WebmasterQuest, AutosurPro, etc...  The Fed can spend months to audit those one all they want, they will not find any ponzy or pyramid in them.QUOTE(jr3 @ Feb 11 2006, 01:49 AM) [snapback]1174396[/snapback] hey sorry to interrupt here but 2 days profit has been paying for 8 days in a row now and is running a 100 dollar special for a while longer get in now and make some money back fast 100 dollars gets you 1000 dollars go check out the thread hurry its going fast dont get shut out just trying to help you get your losses back but i like the 2 day plan the best you can choose ok thanks join below first see all details then post its Get 1000% after 10 days not 2 days 
QUOTE(fame @ Feb 11 2006, 06:53 PM) [snapback]1174733[/snapback] did any one here has register at safeplayers?? who own this site? QUOTE(zero @ Feb 11 2006, 02:59 AM) [snapback]1174755[/snapback] did any one here has register at safeplayers?? who own this site? i dont want to disclose my information to any unknown persons or unknown websiiites
QUOTE(fame @ Feb 11 2006, 05:48 AM) [snapback]1174706[/snapback] 12 Daily Pro Members Taking Action To Recover Money http://www.abc4.com/local_news/local_headl...8D-3F693CB968F6 Now THIS will be very, very interesting to follow!  Thank you for the link!
SCAMPAY we must ban this site  
With tens of millions of dollars at stake in the 12DailyPro scandal, a Provo man who invested in 12DailyPro is taking action. Jeff Johnson's phone calls and e-mails have gone unanswered, so he's getting on an airplane this weekend and flying back east to get answers in person.
Johnson leaves Sunday. His first stop: Clarksville, Tennessee and the home of StormPay, the internet payment service that handled all the money transactions for 12DailyPro. Earlier this month it froze all accounts related to 12DailyPro. StormPay claimed that 12DailyPro may be an illegal pyramid scheme and that it was taking action to protect the money it held and the people it rightfully belonged too. But since freezing the accounts, some 12DailyPro members have seen their balances reduced to "0" by unexplained "charge backs". Others claim that StormPay has made unauthorized withdrawals from their bank and credit card accounts. Johnson will attempt to talk to StormPay management to get an explanation of the "charge backs", as well as details of when and how accounts will be "thawed" and refunded. His next stop will be Charlotte, North Carolina, where 12DailyPro has it's headquarters. Although 12DailyPro's administrator, Charis Johnson, has been communicating through website postings, he says there are still a lot of unanswered questions. Also along the way, Johnson will interview with investigators with the U.S. Postal Service, the U.S. Attorney in Charlotte and the Tennessee Office of Consumer Affairs. Johnson is not just going for himself. He encouraged a number of friends, neighbors and family members to also join 12DailyPro. He says he feels responsible for them. Friday night, a few of them got together at Johnson's home to talk strategy for the trip. Johnson has also established a trust through an attorney and is collecting money for possible legal action. He knows that a knock doesn't always open a door. If the doors in Clarksville and Charlotte remain closed, he vows that his next stop will be the courts. ABC 4 will accompany Johnson on his quest for answers. Watch for reports from both Tennessee and North Carolina beginning Sunday on ABC 4 News at 10:00 p.m.
QUOTE(fame @ Feb 11 2006, 09:48 PM) [snapback]1174706[/snapback] 12 Daily Pro Members Taking Action To Recover Money http://www.abc4.com/local_news/local_headl...8D-3F693CB968F6 maybe we might need to follow this guy he is obvioslysick of stuffing around .we might get some answers with mr johnson on the case but i doubt it good luck too him maybe more american 12dp members should join him |
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