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Actually the ponzi hyips that go out of business quickly and don't invest your money are probably the safer game LOL
Scam Pay won't open???? WTH!!
QUOTE(norsk @ Feb 8 2006, 05:39 AM) [snapback]1142888[/snapback]  This whole site is just rambling. I haven't learned one useful, detailed piece of information in a whole week. Everyone is speculating, scared, rambling mostly incoherent and mostly illiterate. I'm still waiting for one person to sight a source for the iformation they spew out here. Well, why don't you start? If you haven't learned anything, then go out and do your own research and stop complaining! QUOTE(nomadone @ Feb 8 2006, 01:43 PM) [snapback]1142910[/snapback] Scam Pay won't open???? WTH!! They can burn in hell, I don´t care ! 
QUOTE(Gizmo @ Feb 8 2006, 08:42 AM) [snapback]1142904[/snapback] The problem I see with this theory is why did they charge back HYIP's that never lasted. These only took the money and ran, and had nothing to do with any surf sites because they never lasted more than a few days. Did you have profit from those hyip's? If so then it is to cover chargebacks on original spends. how do you know that admin who ran with money did not actually invest it in all these other AS sites? QUOTE(nomadone @ Feb 8 2006, 05:43 AM) [snapback]1142910[/snapback] Scam Pay won't open???? WTH!! ahha .. lets wait and see
Posted by Charis on 12DP Forum:
I have not seen StormPay's books nor has my attorney. We wanted to get your funds returned to you. They wanted to look like they did nothing wrong. It doesn't take too much too much brain power to see what the compromise had to be. We are taking the fall so you guys get your money back! The FBI got involved because of the idiot students mispresenting us in Utah and because all of you called them about StormPay. Of course the trail would eventually get to us. QUOTE(investor_me @ Feb 8 2006, 05:39 AM) [snapback]1142889[/snapback] What the heck is going on!! A day or so ago, I came back when Netiba.com was gone, it came back, and now I come again and stormpay.com is gone!  What the @!#$@! is happening here?! Clues anyone??? Apparently, anytime I go away for a while, something awful happens. I'm really getting fed up! Yeah, they are busy stealing our money and zeroing accounts. QUOTE(Newbie016 @ Feb 8 2006, 08:47 AM) [snapback]1142937[/snapback] Posted by Charis on 12DP Forum: I have not seen StormPay's books nor has my attorney. We wanted to get your funds returned to you. They wanted to look like they did nothing wrong. It doesn't take too much too much brain power to see what the compromise had to be. We are taking the fall so you guys get your money back! The FBI got involved because of the idiot students mispresenting us in Utah and because all of you called them about StormPay. Of course the trail would eventually get to us. Eventually? If it all started with the BUY students then it started there it didnt eventually get there! QUOTE(scaredykat @ Feb 8 2006, 08:46 AM) [snapback]1142931[/snapback] Did you have profit from those hyip's? If so then it is to cover chargebacks on original spends. how do you know that admin who ran with money did not actually invest it in all these other AS sites? Lets see. I put money in one day and the site is gone the next day after I was able to get a part of my original investment back and now that is gone. No profit there, only loss of full original investment now. QUOTE(Newbie016 @ Feb 8 2006, 06:47 AM) [snapback]1142937[/snapback] Posted by Charis on 12DP Forum: I have not seen StormPay's books nor has my attorney. We wanted to get your funds returned to you. They wanted to look like they did nothing wrong. It doesn't take too much too much brain power to see what the compromise had to be. We are taking the fall so you guys get your money back! The FBI got involved because of the idiot students mispresenting us in Utah and because all of you called them about StormPay. Of course the trail would eventually get to us. did you all really think that stormpay was 'stealing' your money or something,... couldn't you see what was happening...? Obviously Charis isn't all that thankful you all called the FBI.......! Why don't people listen... ? QUOTE(Gizmo @ Feb 8 2006, 08:51 AM) [snapback]1142956[/snapback] Lets see. I put money in one day and the site is gone the next day after I was able to get a part of my original investment back and now that is gone. No profit there, only loss of full original investment now. The whole thing is being handled badly. I have worked many places where there were always outside auditors keeping things cleaned up. Without knowing what site it was I would say most definitely there were claims, and chargebacks on that hyip and so they are doing the same as they did to 12dp, reversihng things until there is enough real money to pay claims and refunds. Did you take that original profit and put it in 12dp? QUOTE(Pro Earner @ Feb 8 2006, 03:45 PM) [snapback]1142929[/snapback] They can burn in hell, I don´t care ! just double that...or infact triple it  
QUOTE(Newbie016 @ Feb 8 2006, 08:47 AM) [snapback]1142937[/snapback] Posted by Charis on 12DP Forum: I have not seen StormPay's books nor has my attorney. We wanted to get your funds returned to you. They wanted to look like they did nothing wrong. It doesn't take too much too much brain power to see what the compromise had to be. We are taking the fall so you guys get your money back! The FBI got involved because of the idiot students mispresenting us in Utah and because all of you called them about StormPay. Of course the trail would eventually get to us. The typical response of someone that has been bagged! Blame everyone else! QUOTE(gtrplyr @ Feb 8 2006, 12:21 AM) [snapback]1140862[/snapback] some people are retarded. 
QUOTE(nomadone @ Feb 8 2006, 05:43 AM) [snapback]1142910[/snapback] Scam Pay won't open???? WTH!! let them run away any how they made my balance to 0$ from 52.35$ they are real scampay
QUOTE(scaredykat @ Feb 8 2006, 08:54 AM) [snapback]1142973[/snapback] The whole thing is being handled badly. I have worked many places where there were always outside auditors keeping things cleaned up. Without knowing what site it was I would say most definitely there were claims, and chargebacks on that hyip and so they are doing the same as they did to 12dp, reversihng things until there is enough real money to pay claims and refunds. Did you take that original profit and put it in 12dp? I am really not to concerned since it only was a few dollars. I was lucky that way. I do know that it looks as if this whole thing was handled very badly and is now a big mess. QUOTE(Stelistu @ Feb 8 2006, 01:55 PM) [snapback]1142989[/snapback] just double that...or infact triple it They will burn forever !!! No more SCAM PAY ! 
QUOTE(Pepper'n'Spice @ Feb 8 2006, 05:48 AM) [snapback]1142939[/snapback] Yeah, they are busy stealing our money and zeroing accounts. they made there face like this  
QUOTE(apnagopal @ Feb 8 2006, 01:59 PM) [snapback]1143008[/snapback] let them run away any how they made my balance to 0$ from 52.35$ they are real scampay Suckers
QUOTE(Pro Earner @ Feb 8 2006, 06:00 AM) [snapback]1143019[/snapback] They will burn forever !!! No more SCAM PAY ! its time for e-gold to come  and forget scampay
Wow...the heat is on.
Waiting for positive results. Life goes on .........  QUOTE(Inspirasi @ Feb 8 2006, 06:03 AM) [snapback]1143035[/snapback] Wow...the heat is on. Waiting for positive results. Life goes on ......... now the main heat came today as scampay done the balance to 0$ from 52.35$ damate stormpay.
QUOTE(Pro Earner @ Feb 8 2006, 09:00 AM) [snapback]1143019[/snapback] They will burn forever !!! No more SCAM PAY ! No matter what SP does now, I do not think they will recover at all. They have pretty much dug their own grave. If they do come back everyone will withdraw and very few in the online industry would ever use them again. Regardless of the chain of events....Scampay committed FRAUD by going into individual people's accounts and moving funds around. Criminal all the way around.
QUOTE(Gizmo @ Feb 8 2006, 06:05 AM) [snapback]1143044[/snapback] No matter what SP does now, I do not think they will recover at all. They have pretty much dug their own grave. If they do come back everyone will withdraw and very few in the online industry would ever use them again. now only e-gold no stormpay now i got them scampay from my ac  its time to bye bye stormpay 
Hi all, new here. I agree Stormapay is a big scam. Everyone needs to keep an eye on their bank and credit card accounts that are registered with StormPay. They are deducting from those accounts also. Any money that was transferred from Stormpay to Autosurfs even many many months ago are being deducted from Stormapy and other accounts (bank and credit cards). Good luck everyone.
SP SP SP
QUOTE(headystuff @ Feb 8 2006, 07:05 AM) [snapback]1143046[/snapback] Regardless of the chain of events....Scampay committed FRAUD by going into individual people's accounts and moving funds around. Criminal all the way around. if they were instructed to do so by the FBI, then it hardly consititutes fraud.. it is in their TOS as well that they can do whatever they damn well feel ....
I will hack StormPay website !!!
I will change the Logo to...STORM SCAM !
QUOTE(Inspirasi @ Feb 8 2006, 10:03 PM) [snapback]1143035[/snapback] Wow...the heat is on. Waiting for positive results. Life goes on ......... I been following your postings. And its very standard. 3 sentences ending with Life goes on .... Try to be constructive if u really interested in following this thread and promoting your 18dailypro cocurrently. QUOTE(headystuff @ Feb 8 2006, 09:05 AM) [snapback]1143046[/snapback] Regardless of the chain of events....Scampay committed FRAUD by going into individual people's accounts and moving funds around. Criminal all the way around. shut up! All you do is cry all day.....go outside and enjoy the day!
QUOTE(sakul1 @ Feb 8 2006, 09:13 AM) [snapback]1143092[/snapback] if they were instructed to do so by the FBI, then it hardly consititutes fraud.. it is in their TOS as well that they can do whatever they damn well feel .... The FBI really does not work that way. Even they would require a court order. They also would not allow sp to do this themselves but would require and external auditing process. By the time the fbi or ftc actually do get involved it will take years te figure out what has been done and fix it. I still think the bottom line is they will find that SP took thier profits off the top and put them in thier bank, and they are wealthy beyond your dreams. I think they will also find that the whole online balance of money has been virtual and floating for a a long time now. I hope I learned my lesson!
Q: The e-mail from 12dailypro says that we shouldn't make claims of fraud through our banks to get our money back but that last e-mail stated that as many as possible will be refunded. So, I am a fan on 12DP and truly hope they will survive this but I don't see why I should wait around and not make a claim and maybe be one of the people that doesn't get their money back. Anyone else with me on this?
QUOTE(whoot @ Feb 8 2006, 06:15 AM) [snapback]1143104[/snapback] shut up! All you do is cry all day.....go outside and enjoy the day! QUOTE(whoot @ Feb 8 2006, 06:15 AM) [snapback]1143104[/snapback] shut up! All you do is cry all day.....go outside and enjoy the day!WHOOT you wouldn't associated with scampay by any chance, would you? Just seems kind of funny how you keep trying to move the blame away from them. Not to mention the fact you didn't even become a member here until this whole scampay fiasco started.
sp is down...after get all the money....are they going to refund? or they ran away already...
QUOTE(richville @ Feb 8 2006, 02:23 PM) [snapback]1143145[/snapback] WHOOT you wouldn't associated with scampay by any chance, would you? Just seems kind of funny how you keep trying to move the blame away from them. Not to mention the fact you didn't even become a member here until this whole scampay fiasco started. Agree !
QUOTE(sakul1 @ Feb 8 2006, 02:53 PM) [snapback]1142970[/snapback] did you all really think that stormpay was 'stealing' your money or something,... couldn't you see what was happening...? Obviously Charis isn't all that thankful you all called the FBI.......! Why don't people listen... ? If she is not hiding anything then this should not be a problem. QUOTE(craines @ Feb 8 2006, 02:10 PM) [snapback]1143074[/snapback] Hi all, new here. I agree Stormapay is a big scam. Everyone needs to keep an eye on their bank and credit card accounts that are registered with StormPay. They are deducting from those accounts also. Any money that was transferred from Stormpay to Autosurfs even many many months ago are being deducted from Stormapy and other accounts (bank and credit cards). Good luck everyone. I'm sure everyone is keeping a very close eye on banks and credit cards that were registered with StormPay. While we know that people have had their StormPay accounts zeroed as far as I'm aware there is no hard evidence as of yet of money being taken from banks or credit cards. QUOTE(richville @ Feb 8 2006, 09:23 AM) [snapback]1143145[/snapback] WHOOT you wouldn't associated with scampay by any chance, would you? Just seems kind of funny how you keep trying to move the blame away from them. Not to mention the fact you didn't even become a member here until this whole scampay fiasco started. You people are so blinded by $$$$$$ that you don't (or just don't want to) believe that 12dp was a PONZI...so it was an ILLEGAL operation! Get it through your thick skulls! Charis even supported the PONZI claim in her last message!
From: The Leaf Chronicle Clarksville, TN
StormPay trying to resolve problem Local company says every penny 'backed up' for victims of scheme By JIMMY SETTLE The Leaf-Chronicle Clarksville-based StormPay.com issued a statement Tuesday night indicating it and another Internet company are working to resolve business disputes. From New York to Chicago, across the West Coast and down to Atlanta — even to Malaysia and other points overseas, thousands of consumers have complained they could not access their StormPay accounts. ADVERTISEMENT The Better Business Bureau alone has received nearly 19,000 complaints during the past week. According to the statement, attorneys for LifeClicks — the owner of 12DailyPro.com — and StormPay have been negotiating the dispute. The operator of 12DailyPro.com "after vehement denials to her customers that any investigations were ongoing, now retracts her previous statements and now admits that investigations into 12DailyPro are, in fact, being conducted by the FBI and various state investigative authorities as we have stated from the beginning," Steve Girsky, StormPay owner, said in a release Tuesday night. Girsky asserted that 12DailyPro misrepresented its membership base that StormPay was unable to cover funds that customers had deposited into their StormPay accounts. "StormPay's representatives have assured LifeClicks that StormPay is a viable company and is still open for business, and StormPay has provided assurances that it is able to cover, dollar for dollar with money in the bank, any deposits that may be held in any StormPay account," the joint statement reads. StormPay has been in business since October 2002. It claims to conduct transactions in 200 countries and serves as a payment intermediary for online auction sites and other Internet businesses, with the intent of allowing customers and businesses to send and receive money. 12DailyPro, in turn, is billed as an auto-surf Web agent where customers can buy online advertising and earn commissions from advertising revenue. An "auto-surfing" program is set up to generate money every time a user visits a participating Web site. Girsky and John McConnell, StormPay president, say they too have spent the past week fielding complaints about the accounts being frozen, with some of the complaints bearing a "threatening tone." Pyramid scheme 12DailyPro's Internet activities are described as a Ponzi, or "pyramid" multi-level, auto-surf Web site that's claiming to build income for investors. Attempts to reach representatives of 12DailyPro — a business apparently based in Charlotte, N.C. — have been unsuccessful. "Auto-surfing programs are thinly veiled pyramid schemes," according to a BBB statement. Typically, pyramid schemes purport that for a relatively small investment, a huge amount of money can be earned. In order for all but the people involved early to receive money, a ridiculously large number of new participants must join. The joint statement for StormPay and LifeClicks indicates some recent payments from 12DailyPro have been refunded back to LifeClicks by StormPay. "We are working together to formulate an orderly and equitable reimbursement plan for refunding as many of you as we possibly can," the joint statement reads. One complaint Atlanta resident James Godwin is one of hundreds of people who have contacted The Leaf-Chronicle to complain about missing money. Tuesday afternoon, Godwin said he is aware of 12DailyPro, but like most of the other people who have contacted the newspaper, he still thinks StormPay also is to blame for denying customer refunds. Girsky said account funds have to be frozen because, "We have to protect our interests." "I was using StormPay on an auto-surf called 12DailyPro, where you can go into their Web site and buy advertisements and get a commission from that revenue," Godwin said. "StormPay is the processing company that pays (12DailyPro) and pays me my commissions. They have several ways of making money off of me. In fact, they charge me a fee of 3 percent right off the bat. They've got almost $4,000 of my money, counting my commissions, and at this point, I don't want my commissions. "I just want the $3,300 that I invested in it, back. That was my life savings. It's all I had," Godwin said, adding he reported StormPay to the Federal Trade Commission on Tuesday. FBI neither confirms nor denies Girsky and McConnell said they are working with the FBI and other law enforcement agencies that have begun looking into frozen accounts. On Tuesday, FBI spokesmen wouldn't confirm or deny whether any such investigation was under way, saying they don't normally comment on cases unless an arrest is made or indictment is issued. "Right now, we are directly cooperating with the investigative agencies, and we've secured the funds of this particular merchant (12DailyPro)," Girsky said. "Potentially, this merchant owes these customers a whole lot more money than it has available to pay them." he said, adding, "Every penny of every StormPay customer is backed up at the bank." Girsky said the problem is that "these people are expecting returns from this merchant that it just doesn't have to pay them." "It's a classic pyramid scheme ... but they've been 'robbing Peter to pay Paul,' and that's why they don't have the money to pay these customers,'" McConnell said. "They misrepresented their business model to StormPay," he said. "The merchant account funds have been frozen to preserve the integrity of these funds." He said his company is trying to respond to every customer affected as quickly as possible, but "given the sheer volume, there is currently a backlog." "We're getting to them as fast as we can," McConnell said. Originally published February 8, 2006 http://www.theleafchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage QUOTE(whoot @ Feb 8 2006, 08:30 AM) [snapback]1143179[/snapback] You people are so blinded by $$$$$$ that you don't (or just don't want to) believe that 12dp was a PONZI...so it was an ILLEGAL operation! Get it through your thick skulls! Charis even supported the PONZI claim in her last message! Latest from Clarksville - seems the tone has changed from the "joint" statement. http://www.theleafchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage
[Hello everyone,
Sorry if this has been posted already but this was on the home page of a very long running AS site. Its Brill!!  .gif)
QUOTE(whoot @ Feb 8 2006, 06:30 AM) [snapback]1143179[/snapback] You people are so blinded by $$$$$$ that you don't (or just don't want to) believe that 12dp was a PONZI...so it was an ILLEGAL operation! Get it through your thick skulls! Charis even supported the PONZI claim in her last message! I did not say that it was or it wasn't, I have no idea. I only asked you that question because of your resolve and determination to convince everyone here that it was a ponzi, almost like you have something to gain if it is determined by authorities that it was a ponzi
[Hello everyone,
Sorry if this has been posted already but this was on the home page of a very long running AS site. Its Brill!! An open question on behalf of all Stormpay members to John R. McConnel Jr. CEO of Stormpay.com. Where is our money John? First you suspend the accounts of a number of reputable autosurf sites with no warning, no valid explanation, and completely deny those customers any access to their accounts. Then you send an email to all Stormpay members telling them lies about why you have done this. Then you randomly begin refunding money from those suspended accounts, even though the members concerned did not ask to be refunded. Then your debit cards were being refused at ATMs around the world, and your withdrawal cheques started bouncing. Then you removed the option for international members to request their funds by wire transfer. And today you have begun systematically emptying the accounts of all Stormpay members, not just the Autosurf webmasters. Where is the money, John??
All of this money has got to be laundered sooner or later, blatant as they are, stormpay are operating inside their TOS. Does make their TOS legal from a consumer protection agencie's perspective? I doubt it.
I don't believe you have any choice, other than to do a CC chargeback, assuming that you payed CC funds into Stormpay, we gripe about the high cost of CC transactions, but, a lot of these costs are insurance charges that we never appreciate until a situation like this arises. I currently have 13k tied up in programs via Stormpay, I can charge back 2.7k, where do I go from here? I start again, but never ever with a single processor. Good luck all, Pete QUOTE(Spacewebs @ Feb 8 2006, 09:29 AM) [snapback]1143173[/snapback] I'm sure everyone is keeping a very close eye on banks and credit cards that were registered with StormPay. While we know that people have had their StormPay accounts zeroed as far as I'm aware there is no hard evidence as of yet of money being taken from banks or credit cards. I am checking mine every hour on the hour. QUOTE(richville @ Feb 8 2006, 09:35 AM) [snapback]1143211[/snapback] I did not say that it was or it wasn't, I have no idea. I only asked you that question because of your resolve and determination to convince everyone here that it was a ponzi, almost like you have something to gain if it is determined by authorities that it was a ponzi No she didn't she was in reference to the money that was available in SP. What SP has in their account. She was saying that SP didn't have the money without zeroing everyones accounts QUOTE(mgftpmoney @ Feb 8 2006, 02:22 PM) [snapback]1143138[/snapback] Q: The e-mail from 12dailypro says that we shouldn't make claims of fraud through our banks to get our money back but that last e-mail stated that as many as possible will be refunded. So, I am a fan on 12DP and truly hope they will survive this but I don't see why I should wait around and not make a claim and maybe be one of the people that doesn't get their money back. Anyone else with me on this? Time to look after Number 1 |
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