QUOTE(rollergrrl @ Feb 8 2006, 01:04 AM) [snapback]1141104[/snapback]
Boy are you wrong! Number of posts is in direct relation to IQ.
Okay great, lets put away the 12Dp discussion and start a flame war. I am sorry I won't.
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Boy are you wrong! Number of posts is in direct relation to IQ. Okay great, lets put away the 12Dp discussion and start a flame war. I am sorry I won't.
guys, check this out if you don't already do it
http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?showtopic=46986&hl= QUOTE(rollergrrl @ Feb 8 2006, 10:41 AM) [snapback]1140986[/snapback] A lot of these posts have hidden agendas. How do you expect the non-native speakers to pick up on these agendas without checking the facts? Oh... that's right... nobody here would ever lead anyone astray. Everyone has his/her own hidden agenda when posting here, it's just natural. A bit of humor among this serious matter is just fine and we non-native-english-people are no more retarded than you native ones  What I have noticed that sometimes we non-native seem to have better skills in English than natives - no offence to anyone. Sence of humor doesn't depend on your language, it just can be a little different depending on your culture and environment. And btw I watch 24 and am hooked on it 
QUOTE(cam69 @ Feb 8 2006, 03:02 AM) [snapback]1141097[/snapback] If I am a Conspiracy Theorist, it's a lie, thought up possibly years ago by Charis in league with McConnell. If I am a Charis True Believer, how could you even doubt her after all she has done for us? If I am a Hater, don't ask me because I don't care and you are a moron for asking! Good thing I'm not one of those above .gif) Everyone, why start attacking Charis after being paid so much, it's Stormpay that has stolen your funds. Can anyone tell me one person who never got paid untill SCAMPAY TOOK OUR MONEY ? QUOTE(prior @ Feb 8 2006, 02:05 AM) [snapback]1141111[/snapback] Okay great, lets put away the 12Dp discussion and start a flame war. I am sorry I won't. I'll bring the steaks, you bring the weiners. QUOTE(nenumphar @ Feb 8 2006, 02:07 AM) [snapback]1141123[/snapback] Everyone has his/her own hidden agenda when posting here, it's just natural. A bit of humor among this serious matter is just fine and we non-native-english-people are no more retarded than you native ones What I have noticed that sometimes we non-native seem to have better skills in English than natives - no offence to anyone. Sence of humor doesn't depend on your language, it just can be a little different depending on your culture and environment. And btw I watch 24 and am hooked on it Stay away from Bauer! He's mine! QUOTE(rollergrrl @ Feb 8 2006, 01:08 AM) [snapback]1141131[/snapback] I'll bring the steaks, you bring the weiners. Is this the way you are getting your post counts up? 
QUOTE(rollergrrl @ Feb 8 2006, 09:53 AM) [snapback]1141048[/snapback] Your attorney will instruct us to stick our head between our legs and kiss our ass goodbye. You are really funny rollergrrl.  I cannot stop laughing! Isuffocate! HELP! HELP! HELP!
I am going to sleep and remember time will tell that what I was saying was right.....
Quoting part of the news update by 12dp, "Many of you will notice that payments you have received recently from 12Daily Pro have been refunded back to the LifeClicks account by StormPay. StormPay has explained that the purpose of these refunds is to attempt to secure as many funds as possible to make the widest and broadest effort to refund 12DailyPro customers that we can." So what does that means? This is as good as saying, "we will taking all the money you have in your account now. And hopefully if we have enough money, you will get yours back, thanks!" What a lot of crap!
And then LifeClicks further contradicts itself by saying "LifeClicks can confirm that there are 12DailyPro funds available at StormPay, and we are working together to formulate an orderly and equitable reimbursement plan for refunding as many of you as we possibly can." If there are funds available, then why is StormPay wiping out everyone's account? And at the end of the statement, they say "We appreciate your continued patience as we work through this process." Yes, we have patience, but only so much, we cannot go on waiting infinitely. You are either going to refund the money or you are not, there is not 3rd way about it! Guys, do what is right for you. I am going to do a chargeback if this is not resolved within 48 hours. Simply as that. And I advice those that CAN still do a chargeback, to consider this possibility. Eventually it is your OWN money, why care about what the heck others say? QUOTE(prior @ Feb 8 2006, 02:11 AM) [snapback]1141153[/snapback] Is this the way you are getting your post counts up? They can start removing a post for every attempted joke for all I care. You're really stuck on this post count thing huh? I thought you were the one who said it didn't mean anything? I'm confused 
QUOTE(prior @ Feb 8 2006, 01:13 AM) [snapback]1141161[/snapback] I am going to sleep and remember time will tell that what I was saying was right..... the scam theory is total BS , i dont know of the other things u spoke !! QUOTE(prior @ Feb 8 2006, 02:13 AM) [snapback]1141161[/snapback] I am going to sleep and remember time will tell that what I was saying was right..... Is this your idea of increasing your post count?
Okay, here's one of the original posts by Ponzi Nemesis. Note the date and then check out the facts. Over time, a whole lot of them have proven to be correct...
 http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=5689&page=1&pp=40 Whether you believe him or not, you must admit he's intelligent and provides a lot of information to support his claims. All you have to do is decide if the information is true... QUOTE(mjand2345 @ Feb 8 2006, 01:13 AM) [snapback]1141164[/snapback] Quoting part of the news update by 12dp, "Many of you will notice that payments you have received recently from 12Daily Pro have been refunded back to the LifeClicks account by StormPay. StormPay has explained that the purpose of these refunds is to attempt to secure as many funds as possible to make the widest and broadest effort to refund 12DailyPro customers that we can." So what does that means? This is as good as saying, "we will taking all the money you have in your account now. And hopefully if we have enough money, you will get yours back, thanks!" What a lot of crap! And then LifeClicks further contradicts itself by saying "LifeClicks can confirm that there are 12DailyPro funds available at StormPay, and we are working together to formulate an orderly and equitable reimbursement plan for refunding as many of you as we possibly can." If there are funds available, then why is StormPay wiping out everyone's account? And at the end of the statement, they say "We appreciate your continued patience as we work through this process." Yes, we have patience, but only so much, we cannot go on waiting infinitely. You are either going to refund the money or you are not, there is not 3rd way about it! Guys, do what is right for you. I am going to do a chargeback if this is not resolved within 48 hours. Simply as that. And I advice those that CAN still do a chargeback, to consider this possibility. Eventually it is your OWN money, why care about what the heck others say? Yeah I mean that joint statement was absolutely ridiculous. Basically saying: We need to take your money so that we can hopefully pay you back. What kind of bull**** was that? And I don't know if you saw my earlier post where I thought they'd be crazy to dig into your bank account. Well guess what, I just checked my checking balance and it is showing negative $173.00. I am so pissed off they're going to go this far. The obvious reason is taht 12dailypro DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THE ACCOUNT TO PAY EVERYONE BACK. Why is that I don't know. Maybe this was a well orchestrated scam by both parties after all. I only got paid once from 12dailypro and it's like I've never been paid at all since they took that money back. Charis needs to open that 12dp forum up so I can give her a piece of my mind right now.  QUOTE(saratonyn @ Feb 8 2006, 02:21 AM) [snapback]1141195[/snapback] Okay, here's one of the original posts by Ponzi Nemesis. Note the date and then check out the facts. Over time, a whole lot of them have proven to be correct... http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=5689&page=1&pp=40 Whether you believe him or not, you must admit he's intelligent and provides a lot of information to support his claims. All you have to do is decide if the information is true... It should have been required reading before dumping money into 12DP.
this charis is not the credit card one, ppl have verified her identity so dont bring back dead skeletons from the past !!
go pro!
QUOTE(gauranggupta @ Feb 8 2006, 02:29 AM) [snapback]1141236[/snapback] this charis is not the credit card one, ppl have verified her identity so dont bring back dead skeletons from the past !! That's what she says later on in the posts.
is anybody paid via EMO like 12dp promised?
QUOTE(bro @ Feb 8 2006, 01:30 AM) [snapback]1141240[/snapback] go pro!
Oke, been a good believer, but not any more.
Gonna ask my CC compagny to chargeback TODAY. Don´t trust anybody anymore.
Any news as to when the new site is coming up anyone?
You can read ALL the posts of Charis under SCAM.COM here: http://www.scam.com/search.php?searchid=488628
(Personal thought: I wonder why Charis post messages in SCAM.COM. I thought she was too class to post in this forum). QUOTE(Gaius @ Feb 8 2006, 10:32 AM) [snapback]1141256[/snapback] Oke, been a good believer, but not any more. Gonna ask my CC compagny to chargeback TODAY. Don´t trust anybody anymore. What do you write as a reason for chargeback??? You put your money in a risky investment and well you seam to have lost. QUOTE(gauranggupta @ Feb 8 2006, 04:29 AM) [snapback]1141236[/snapback] this charis is not the credit card one, ppl have verified her identity so dont bring back dead skeletons from the past !! I honestly don't know what to believe about her anymore, but at this point in time I think it's more important than ever for people to check out as much information as possible so they can decide for themselves who & what to believe. If you know for a fact that Ponzi Nemesis was lying or terribly mistaken, please post the information to support that. I'm looking for the truth no matter what it is. Thanks. QUOTE(rollergrrl @ Feb 8 2006, 04:28 AM) [snapback]1141232[/snapback] It should have been required reading before dumping money into 12DP. Indeed. Have you formed an opinion as to what's true and what's not? If so, I'd really like to hear what it is cuz my head is doing some serious spinning and I'd love to make it stop. QUOTE(gauranggupta @ Feb 8 2006, 01:31 AM) [snapback]1141254[/snapback]
proadco, I am not saying anything bad about Charis. I'm imitating the types of responses to this situation.
Personally, I don't know exactly what is going on unlike so many here who KNOW because they have made up their minds whether there are facts to support their ideas or not. Basically, every dime I have earned through 12DP since October is tied up in Charis' Stormpay account. It's not nearly as much as a lot of you folks have there but it's a LOT of money to me (amount in upgrades: $1368...amount in payout...just under $2k). This is driving me nuts but what I am NOT going to do is speculate or fantasize that I know what's going on when I know no more than most of you folks. But there are so many people here who think they DO know. Most of them KNOW with few if any facts to back them up. Speculation + few Facts * Imagination = Garbage. QUOTE(prior @ Feb 8 2006, 12:41 AM) [snapback]1139590[/snapback] Here is what I see Happening. #1 Charis Approaches Scampay, I have an idea #2 I am going to start a nice auto surf site and help you collect fees, wait that is not it. #3 After it potentially grows, I have an idea that is even better. #4 You guys (scampay) is going to make it look like you are forcing me along with other AS's to use you as payment processor so we can get as many funds as we can in scampay. #5 Than one day you freeze 12DP account along with all the other AS's just to make it legit and make scampay look like the bad guy. #6 Than I buy time by updating members with bull**** that never actually happened (investigation, paperwork, donations (oh this is yet another way to get even more money in), family, excuses, excuses. #7 Scampay after a few days you initiate chargebacks to my account oh and don't forget to do the same with other AS's and HYIPs so it looks legitimate (cover up) #8 Now not only you have the money you pretended that you froze but on top of that all the chargebacks as well #9 millions and millions of dollars divided by two game players 12DP and SCAMPAY #10 Oh and I want to make sure I will get half of the fees you guys have collected too. Conclusion: We walk away clean with the biggest scam pulled on the internet history! Vacation time for both, Do you guys think either of them care about the reputation of 12DP or scampay after making millions and millions of dollars? I don't think so. I would like to add some some numerics, to the conspiracy theory. After reading this i began to think about the actual amounts of money that has transacted through both of these companies over the past 10 months. I will use low estimates for my calculations and you can all draw your own conclusions. Actual active members in 12daily, with the key word being active. The numbers being thrown around are 350,000 based on the current new member id number. Based on what i have been told from a few AS program admins, there is only a 30 to 50 percent stay ratio of free members that become active members. I will use 50 percent. 350,000 X 50% = 175,000 That means we have in actuality 175,000 members active. Based on what we have been told, 75 percent of this total is is using stormpay. 175,000 X .75 = 131,250 active members. I want to keep the math simple, so we will use a $100 average spend per member We will use 300 days as the total amount of days the program has been operating. In the 300 days there were 25. 12 day cycles. Simple enough. I do understand that there was not always 131,250 members, so we will offset this with the low average spend per member. I am also going to estimate that 12daily referred 100,000 members to Stormpay and netiba. And AWAYY WE GOOOOO 131,250 members X $100 = $ 13,125,000 dollars per cycle. Thats thirteen million one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars per 12 day cycle. $ 13,125,000 X 25 = $ 328, 125,000 Thats a total of three hundred twenty eight million one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars that has transacted between the two companies. Lets take Stormpay cut first. I am using the 6.9% since i was only paid once with the new rate and remember Stormpay made money on the upgrade purchase and the payment from 12daily, the old double bend over. Get out the KY gel. $ 328,125,000 X 6.9% = $ 22, 640,625 x 2 = $ 45,281,250 Stormpay Profit in fees $ 45,281,250 100,000 x $ 20.- = $2,000,000 Stormpay Profit from NETIBA $2,000,000 $ 45,281,250 + $2,000,000 = $ 47,281,250 Stompay total profit $ 47,281,250 12Daily referral commission from Stormpay, 70 percent of the members were referred by 12daily $ 328,125,000 X 70% = $ 229,687,500 x 2.5% = $ 5,742,187 X 2 =$ 11,484,375 12Daily commission profit from Stormpay =$ 11,484,375 12Daily referral commission from NETIBA 100,000 x $5.- = $500,000 12Daily total profit from Stormpay $ 11,984,375. . $ 11,984,375 + $ 47,281,250 = $ 58,765,625 Total Profit for the 2 companies $ 58,765,625 Thats not a bad chunk of change, i do understand tha the 12daily money went back into the program since i know that this is 2 income streams but the totals are pretty wild. If you throw in whats suspended 4 cycles and the amounts today that were charged back, we are talking in the area of $ 165.000.000 sitting some where in the abyss. This was fun QUOTE(nicolas22 @ Feb 8 2006, 03:01 PM) [snapback]1141249[/snapback] is anybody paid via EMO like 12dp promised? waiting.....
Oh thank god my $2.48 is still in my Stormpay account, that takes a load off my mind
I never used stormpay thankfully. Took one look at it a few years ago and didnt like the whole 'cheapness' of it, so never used it, maybe once. I am now counting my lucky stars. Sorry to those who have lost money in this. Hope you can recover it.
huh
 im lost in this discussion......
By the way, do you believe that 12dpadmin under SCAM.COM forum is the "real" Charis Johnson???
When you read her post... it sounds strange! ... VERY FUNNY!!! She said that she created a website devoted to the destruction of Ponzi Nemezis here: http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=156273#post156273 Here is the site: http://www.talkgoldnemesis.com/ TOO FUNY!!! Somebody could confirm if it´s the real Charis Johnson? QUOTE(pixars @ Feb 8 2006, 04:46 AM) [snapback]1141334[/snapback] huh im lost in this discussion......Heh, yea most of these folks are but many, instead of admitting it, decide to speculate and fan the flames of panic and distrust. QUOTE(nicolas22 @ Feb 8 2006, 01:31 AM) [snapback]1141249[/snapback] is anybody paid via EMO like 12dp promised? waiting too QUOTE(fieryhorse @ Feb 8 2006, 04:34 AM) [snapback]1141267[/snapback] You can read ALL the posts of Charis under SCAM.COM here: http://www.scam.com/search.php?searchid=488628 (Personal thought: I wonder why Charis post messages in SCAM.COM. I thought she was too class to post in this forum). thats not Charis, pretty much everyone in those threads pointed it out rather easily, oh and "her" sig line, etc.. its just someone "having some fun" at the expense of others. QUOTE(pixars @ Feb 8 2006, 01:46 AM) [snapback]1141334[/snapback] huh im lost in this discussion...... QUOTE(rideblitz @ Feb 8 2006, 10:48 AM) [snapback]1141348[/snapback] thats not Charis, pretty much everyone in those threads pointed it out rather easily, oh and "her" sig line, etc.. its just someone "having some fun" at the expense of others. That´s what I was thinking! Maybe Charis in this forum is Ponzi Nemezis himself... or Sterve Girsky! LOL! QUOTE(rideblitz @ Feb 8 2006, 04:48 AM) [snapback]1141348[/snapback] thats not Charis, pretty much everyone in those threads pointed it out rather easily, oh and "her" sig line, etc.. its just someone "having some fun" at the expense of others. Agreed, those recent posts are not from Charis. But there are some posts from 2005 that seem to be from the real Charis. Ow. My head.
Posted by the [false] Charis Johnson in SCAM.FORUM
This one is too funny here: Oh why do you doubt so, child? Pray with me and the laws of mathematics, the FBI, and the wrath of thousands of angry 12daily Pro members can be held at bay. I will pray in the police station, in the court house, and in my jail cell. My delusion has no bounds; pray with me and you too can believe in the impossible. Halleluiah! Praise The Lord! God bless this Ponzi scam! Allusion to the "Negroes Spirituals!" btw, maybe we should report this to the [true] Charis cause such attitude could alterate her reputation. A good laugh is never bad anyway!
QUOTE(rideblitz @ Feb 8 2006, 05:48 PM) [snapback]1141348[/snapback] thats not Charis, pretty much everyone in those threads pointed it out rather easily, oh and "her" sig line, etc.. its just someone "having some fun" at the expense of others. I agreed. Why would she want to register another account. QUOTE(justthefacts @ Feb 8 2006, 03:43 AM) [snapback]1141306[/snapback] I would like to add some some numerics, to the conspiracy theory. After reading this i began to think about the actual amounts of money that has transacted through both of these companies over the past 10 months. I will use low estimates for my calculations and you can all draw your own conclusions. Actual active members in 12daily, with the key word being active. The numbers being thrown around are 350,000 based on the current new member id number. Based on what i have been told from a few AS program admins, there is only a 30 to 50 percent stay ratio of free members that become active members. I will use 50 percent. 350,000 X 50% = 175,000 That means we have in actuality 175,000 members active. Based on what we have been told, 75 percent of this total is is using stormpay. 175,000 X .75 = 131,250 active members. I want to keep the math simple, so we will use a $100 average spend per member We will use 300 days as the total amount of days the program has been operating. In the 300 days there were 25. 12 day cycles. Simple enough. I do understand that there was not always 131,250 members, so we will offset this with the low average spend per member. I am also going to estimate that 12daily referred 100,000 members to Stormpay and netiba. And AWAYY WE GOOOOO 131,250 members X $100 = $ 13,125,000 dollars per cycle. Thats thirteen million one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars per 12 day cycle. $ 13,125,000 X 25 = $ 328, 125,000 Thats a total of three hundred twenty eight million one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars that has transacted between the two companies. Lets take Stormpay cut first. I am using the 6.9% since i was only paid once with the new rate and remember Stormpay made money on the upgrade purchase and the payment from 12daily, the old double bend over. Get out the KY gel. $ 328,125,000 X 6.9% = $ 22, 640,625 x 2 = $ 45,281,250 Stormpay Profit in fees $ 45,281,250 100,000 x $ 20.- = $2,000,000 Stormpay Profit from NETIBA $2,000,000 $ 45,281,250 + $2,000,000 = $ 47,281,250 Stompay total profit $ 47,281,250 12Daily referral commission from Stormpay, 70 percent of the members were referred by 12daily $ 328,125,000 X 70% = $ 229,687,500 x 2.5% = $ 5,742,187 X 2 =$ 11,484,375 12Daily commission profit from Stormpay =$ 11,484,375 12Daily referral commission from NETIBA 100,000 x $5.- = $500,000 12Daily total profit from Stormpay $ 11,984,375. . $ 11,984,375 + $ 47,281,250 = $ 58,765,625 Total Profit for the 2 companies $ 58,765,625 Thats not a bad chunk of change, i do understand tha the 12daily money went back into the program since i know that this is 2 income streams but the totals are pretty wild. If you throw in whats suspended 4 cycles and the amounts today that were charged back, we are talking in the area of $ 165.000.000 sitting some where in the abyss. This was fun Its not that high. You have to remember that what keeps a ponzi errr uhm program running is that people reinvest, so the same money gets run thru the system multiple times. I would say that stormpay has something around 10-15 mil total because of 12DP. Maybe around 25 mil with the other AS's and HYIPs...
Do you think there's any chance that 12dp will pay all those payments that were sent back to their account?
It's a nightmare for me - I've lost so much money because of this stormpay-12dp mess 
QUOTE(mjand2345 @ Feb 8 2006, 01:13 AM) [snapback]1141164[/snapback] Quoting part of the news update by 12dp, "Many of you will notice that payments you have received recently from 12Daily Pro have been refunded back to the LifeClicks account by StormPay. StormPay has explained that the purpose of these refunds is to attempt to secure as many funds as possible to make the widest and broadest effort to refund 12DailyPro customers that we can." So what does that means? This is as good as saying, "we will taking all the money you have in your account now. And hopefully if we have enough money, you will get yours back, thanks!" What a lot of crap! And then LifeClicks further contradicts itself by saying "LifeClicks can confirm that there are 12DailyPro funds available at StormPay, and we are working together to formulate an orderly and equitable reimbursement plan for refunding as many of you as we possibly can." If there are funds available, then why is StormPay wiping out everyone's account? And at the end of the statement, they say "We appreciate your continued patience as we work through this process." Yes, we have patience, but only so much, we cannot go on waiting infinitely. You are either going to refund the money or you are not, there is not 3rd way about it! Guys, do what is right for you. I am going to do a chargeback if this is not resolved within 48 hours. Simply as that. And I advice those that CAN still do a chargeback, to consider this possibility. Eventually it is your OWN money, why care about what the heck others say? RIGHT .....and what about pendings in 12daily QUOTE(justthefacts @ Feb 8 2006, 04:43 PM) [snapback]1141306[/snapback] I would like to add some some numerics, to the conspiracy theory. After reading this i began to think about the actual amounts of money that has transacted through both of these companies over the past 10 months. I will use low estimates for my calculations and you can all draw your own conclusions. Actual active members in 12daily, with the key word being active. The numbers being thrown around are 350,000 based on the current new member id number. Based on what i have been told from a few AS program admins, there is only a 30 to 50 percent stay ratio of free members that become active members. I will use 50 percent. 350,000 X 50% = 175,000 That means we have in actuality 175,000 members active. Based on what we have been told, 75 percent of this total is is using stormpay. 175,000 X .75 = 131,250 active members. I want to keep the math simple, so we will use a $100 average spend per member We will use 300 days as the total amount of days the program has been operating. In the 300 days there were 25. 12 day cycles. Simple enough. I do understand that there was not always 131,250 members, so we will offset this with the low average spend per member. I am also going to estimate that 12daily referred 100,000 members to Stormpay and netiba. And AWAYY WE GOOOOO 131,250 members X $100 = $ 13,125,000 dollars per cycle. Thats thirteen million one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars per 12 day cycle. $ 13,125,000 X 25 = $ 328, 125,000 Thats a total of three hundred twenty eight million one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars that has transacted between the two companies. Lets take Stormpay cut first. I am using the 6.9% since i was only paid once with the new rate and remember Stormpay made money on the upgrade purchase and the payment from 12daily, the old double bend over. Get out the KY gel. $ 328,125,000 X 6.9% = $ 22, 640,625 x 2 = $ 45,281,250 Stormpay Profit in fees $ 45,281,250 100,000 x $ 20.- = $2,000,000 Stormpay Profit from NETIBA $2,000,000 $ 45,281,250 + $2,000,000 = $ 47,281,250 Stompay total profit $ 47,281,250 12Daily referral commission from Stormpay, 70 percent of the members were referred by 12daily $ 328,125,000 X 70% = $ 229,687,500 x 2.5% = $ 5,742,187 X 2 =$ 11,484,375 12Daily commission profit from Stormpay =$ 11,484,375 12Daily referral commission from NETIBA 100,000 x $5.- = $500,000 12Daily total profit from Stormpay $ 11,984,375. . $ 11,984,375 + $ 47,281,250 = $ 58,765,625 Total Profit for the 2 companies $ 58,765,625 Thats not a bad chunk of change, i do understand tha the 12daily money went back into the program since i know that this is 2 income streams but the totals are pretty wild. If you throw in whats suspended 4 cycles and the amounts today that were charged back, we are talking in the area of $ 165.000.000 sitting some where in the abyss. This was fun IMHO : you can not use ( 350,000 X 50% = 175,000 ) coz that number reach only for the last couple monts, not from day 1. if u count with this number than im sure is miscalculated
One more re-post betfore I grab some shut-eye...
If you're interested in joining a class action lawsuit against ScamPay, check this out: http://www.autosurfcentralcafe.com/view_to...to=24233#p24233 G'night all. QUOTE(gauranggupta @ Feb 8 2006, 01:29 AM) [snapback]1141236[/snapback] this charis is not the credit card one, ppl have verified her identity so dont bring back dead skeletons from the past !! confident so much i got 50$ from system.stormpaypro.com why 12dailypro done charge back on my access amount. they atken my hard earned 50$ + 2.35$ from stormpay ac also damate  
QUOTE(apnagopal @ Feb 8 2006, 11:36 AM) [snapback]1141658[/snapback] confident so much i got 50$ from system.stormpaypro.com why 12dailypro done charge back on my access amount. they atken my hard earned 50$ + 2.35$ from stormpay ac also damate they said sp did the chargebacks NOT 12dp. true or not... QUOTE(sanya18 @ Feb 8 2006, 02:38 AM) [snapback]1141666[/snapback] they said sp did the chargebacks NOT 12dp. true or not... who know inside news any how now no more stormpay it is killpay all the earned dollar now more stormpay only e-gold rock here QUOTE(saratonyn @ Feb 8 2006, 03:21 AM) [snapback]1141195[/snapback] Okay, here's one of the original posts by Ponzi Nemesis. Note the date and then check out the facts. Over time, a whole lot of them have proven to be correct... http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=5689&page=1&pp=40 Whether you believe him or not, you must admit he's intelligent and provides a lot of information to support his claims. All you have to do is decide if the information is true... What I gathered was that the guy appears to have a serious vendetta against Charis, has been kicked off other forums, and misidentified Charis as another person with the same name who was convicted of Fraud in Illinois. Most other posters disagree with him. The post you referred to was made in September and he was explaining how 12DP would be doomed before Xmas. He did the usual number about it being a scam that ONLY made money by getting new members, etc. I was pretty much unimpressed. But it's really late - maybe I missed something you saw? All in all, that forum site is less factual than this one by far. I suppose that when the name is Scam.com you would expect that - since it seems to be a forum to discuss scams, real or imagined. |
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