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scaredykat

Feb 7 2006, 07:19 PM

QUOTE(El Moro @ Feb 7 2006, 10:16 PM) [snapback]1138374[/snapback]

this last announcement is REALLY raising MORE red flags than before. Now to H*** with all this, why would they TAKE my money to GIVE me arefund ???! do they think we're THAT stupid ??!?!! NOW i have lost ALL my trust in charis too.... People if you want a CHANCE to get your money back, the keep the CHARGEBACKS flowing. I have waited enough now, time for some action, ALL my patience has gone now.

sounds to me more like they are pooling the money to give the most refunds possible. where do they stop? what about members from othe AS and HYIP's? Are they going to write similar statements tomorrow?

kellysartin

Feb 7 2006, 07:19 PM

Maybe Charis and Steve fell in love during the course of this and are making a plan to run with the money!

kidc

Feb 7 2006, 07:20 PM

QUOTE(johnnyc1978 @ Feb 7 2006, 08:18 PM) [snapback]1138389[/snapback]

To those of whogot your accounts raided today, did you initiate a claim against Stormpay using their bull**** claim service or or do a chargeback against them through your CC. Im just trying to understand why some people got funds stolen from them and some didnt.

its funny.....they took back all the funds i was paid for hyip's but didnt refund or charge back the scam sites that i got took on ...why is this??

whoot

Feb 7 2006, 07:20 PM

QUOTE(drlurk @ Feb 7 2006, 09:49 PM) [snapback]1138172[/snapback]

You know what, the more I think about it, there is NO WAY that Charis had anything to do with that statement!

I spoke to my bank this morning, they are watching my account like hawks, SP comes near theyre gonna get blown out of the water

THAT LAST STATEMENT does not change the fact that SP had absolutely no right to take our money. NONE! Once the money is in our account, its ours. If SP wants to make legal charges against me becasue the question the way I made the money, then so be it.... But it is outright illegal for them to touch our money and not have our authorization let alone even inform us. THEY EVEN TOOK MONEY RIGHT OUT OF FDIC insured bank accounts!!!

DONT LOSE FOCUS, SUCKPAY STOLE OUR MONEY!

Poor Charis is probably at a lost for words right now,,, she probably has been told not to say anything

Take it up with the FBI

saratonyn

Feb 7 2006, 07:20 PM

QUOTE(speedbump @ Feb 7 2006, 10:15 PM) [snapback]1138360[/snapback]

Surprise???? Didn't you read what Charis posted beforehand . It alluded to a resolution between the two. Do you call this announcement a resolution. Far from it. Just more of the same BS.

You misread my post. I never said it was a resolution. I was just agreeing that the statment was drawn up by any attorney (or attorneys), not by Charis.

shaneel786

Feb 7 2006, 07:21 PM

QUOTE(kellysartin @ Feb 7 2006, 07:19 PM) [snapback]1138400[/snapback]

Maybe Charis and Steve fell in love during the course of this and are making a plan to run with the money!

Perpette

Feb 7 2006, 07:21 PM

QUOTE(anniebanany @ Feb 7 2006, 10:16 PM) [snapback]1138369[/snapback]

I don't buy Sp's story at all, but I think they maybe have Charis convinced that 12dp is alone in this.

SP first claimed that they wanted exclusivive control. Then, when they were allowed that, they still froze the accounts. Further, when they were consequently denied, they claimed to be freezing anyone they felt was "not legit".

So, they want it both ways? Exclusive control of illegal plans? I don't get how they can't see their own contradictions.
Add to that, while the news networks were listening to SP's side of this "investigation", why was there no mention of the Dad 'n Dave's freeze?
Are you telling me that the feds are investigating ALL these sites and the only one anyone mentions in the media is 12dp?

Naw!

LOL well firstly I'd hardly call it real news. Secondly the only reason it is there is because some college kids were busted breaking the schools rules. It started more about that than the program itself until the flood of emails from the ever helpful memberbase flooded in. I am sure they are investigating all of the accounts that are frozen and on the look out for others as well.

anniebanany

Feb 7 2006, 07:21 PM

The use of "FBI" set me off. I really think this would be more along the lines of FTC work,..so I wonder where that came from. It sure wouldn''t be the first time that media has embellished the truth.

daudi81

Feb 7 2006, 07:21 PM

Is everyone still buying the FBI thing?

Even though the FBI themselves claim there is no investigation...

things that make you go

hmmmmm.......

scaredykat

Feb 7 2006, 07:22 PM

QUOTE(kidc @ Feb 7 2006, 10:17 PM) [snapback]1138381[/snapback]

hence your username

naw ScaredyKat came from me calling one of my coward cats that while i was trying to think up a user name! I may be little bitty but not usually afraid of anyting but spiders!

CharmCity

Feb 7 2006, 07:22 PM

QUOTE(Pablo34 @ Feb 7 2006, 10:00 PM) [snapback]1138265[/snapback]

You forgot to mention Mr. Big Spender lost $36 in this!

Ummm... seems to me all the big spenders are the one crying?

QUOTE

Again, I made 15K with 12DP, sitting pretty in my bank account hows about you? If you are going to come here to try an 'lecture' us on why we were wrong to invest, you need to leave this board

Are you threatened by my presence? Are you always so WEAK? And if you made 15k then what are you CRYING about?

Perpette

Feb 7 2006, 07:23 PM

QUOTE(kidc @ Feb 7 2006, 10:20 PM) [snapback]1138404[/snapback]

its funny.....they took back all the funds i was paid for hyip's but didnt refund or charge back the scam sites that i got took on ...why is this??

Well you can hope the ones you lost in are in the report of sites to look at, and I wouldnt expect any refunds from anything for quite awhile until they are done with the chargeback chain.

Pepper'n'Spice

Feb 7 2006, 07:23 PM

QUOTE(saratonyn @ Feb 7 2006, 06:38 PM) [snapback]1138086[/snapback]

The "good news" I got out of that statement is that ScamPay apparently does have the funds to cover 12dp's withdrawal request.

The "bad news" is that the statement said nothing about why ScamPay zeroed out our accounts, especially in the fashion they did.

The "wait-and-see-what-it-means" news is that the investigation continues...

Stormpay would only now have the funds because they have stolen those funds from Stormpay member accounts and that is the exact reason why the zeroed the accounts.

$ B-Rad $

Feb 7 2006, 07:23 PM

Just be happy we are getting plenty of news. I like the communication

. If they pool all the money together and I get a 60% or more refund amount I will be happy. It's good that stormpay is cooperating.

chloe2651

Feb 7 2006, 07:24 PM

I am keeping my charge back against scampay. I don't know if it is charise or the attorneys updating anymore.
To hell with it all.

abel

Feb 7 2006, 07:24 PM

I don't understand...when you are doing chargebacks, are you doing them with Stormpay? If you do them with Stormpay, won't they just turn you down? I got scammed with an HYIP for $100, and they turned me down. Please explain.

Thank you.

Irma

drlurk

Feb 7 2006, 07:24 PM

Say what you might about Charis, 12Dp, whatevr, but EVERYONE STAY FOCUSED on the fact that SuckPay has no right touching our money without even informing us. Someone make quote some obscure part of the TOS of SP,, blah blah blah... Those TOS means they can take all of our money whenever they feel like it? Even out of our very own FDIC bank accounts without a moments notice. I think not

shumway76

Feb 7 2006, 07:26 PM

QUOTE(daudi81 @ Feb 7 2006, 08:18 PM) [snapback]1138386[/snapback]

Todays events has definately made me more confident in closing my stormpay account.

Good one. Yeah: everyone should close their Stormpay account! Hurry before it's too late. What, are you trying to use reverse psychology?

nuk

Feb 7 2006, 07:26 PM

QUOTE(kellysartin @ Feb 7 2006, 10:19 PM) [snapback]1138400[/snapback]

Maybe Charis and Steve fell in love during the course of this and are making a plan to run with the money!

Makes more sense than anything else. Charis had a tremendous amount of goodwill that she totally blew with that stupid joint statement. She just hitched a ride on the Titanic.

Hey, I guess this means no lawsuit either, huh?

NUK

headystuff

Feb 7 2006, 07:26 PM

QUOTE(amcnd @ Feb 7 2006, 07:13 PM) [snapback]1138343[/snapback]

How should I go about doing a charge back? How should I explain this mess to my bank? Please help

If you made a direct deposit or from a credit card, you tell them that you were purchasing online advertising for a merchant (12dp) that you wanted to engage, and that the online processor (SP) who was supposed to act as a payer for this service closed any access to the merchant, closed or suspended their account and you believe they are fraudulent. The key is to tell them you believe that the service they are providing is FRAUDULENT. When I did this today, I added that my account, that had nothing to do with the credit card transactions, were taken from me and my account was zeroed they were onto it. Most of these institutions are well familiar with what is happening with Screwupay.

And they are frauds, damn them!

chloe2651

Feb 7 2006, 07:26 PM

QUOTE(abel @ Feb 8 2006, 02:24 PM) [snapback]1138432[/snapback]

Thank you.

Irma

SP charge back is a waste of time. I hace done a chargeback through my bank saying that all my funds have been stolen.

kidc

Feb 7 2006, 07:26 PM

#12dailypro on efnet if you want to talk live!!

Perpette

Feb 7 2006, 07:27 PM

She posted this in the 12DP forum:

12DP-AdminCharis
Administrator
*****
Posts: 299

View Profile
Re: Investigation by FBI?
« Reply #13 on: Today at 10:10:40 PM »
it is our belief that the FBI concerns arose from the utah students misrpresentation of our program as an investment op, some members in georgia attempting to sell 12daily Pro memberships, and Ponzi Nemesis' Talkgold campaign to get people to call the NC conumer protection division, though a call to that office states there are no open complaints against us.

It also didn't help that members started screaming to the FBI about Stormpay.

we will cooperate fully with any questions any of these organizations have about us and with any investigations as they develop

second post:

At this point my attornies have instructed me not to comment on any investigations that might arise.

As open a person I am, that's going to be a challenge.

Pepper'n'Spice

Feb 7 2006, 07:27 PM

QUOTE(kidc @ Feb 7 2006, 07:20 PM) [snapback]1138404[/snapback]

its funny.....they took back all the funds i was paid for hyip's but didnt refund or charge back the scam sites that i got took on ...why is this??

Maybe Stormpay were behind the scams. Anything is possible at this stage.

poker69

Feb 7 2006, 07:28 PM

What is going on???

aer

Feb 7 2006, 07:28 PM

QUOTE(headystuff @ Feb 7 2006, 10:09 PM) [snapback]1138317[/snapback]

No matter what everyone, download or take screenshots of everything in your Scampay account. I have printed out the email from last week that said "my withdrawal was successfully placed." And I have downloaded my account history that shows it being tampered with by Scampay. Document everything, please.

how to download a history? thanks a lot!

RQ Cash

Feb 7 2006, 07:29 PM

More from Charis...

We understand that there are still many questions about the joint statement issued earlier this evening.

Note that we still have many questions as well and still do not have access to our account, so we can't provide any answers at this time regarding what actions have been taken within any specific Stormpay user's account or even ours for that matter.

The attornies will be continuing their conversations tomorrow and we hope more details will be forthcoming from StormPay on these outstanding issues.

Due to the unexpected and extremely important developments of the day and our currently limited staff, we have pushed back the launch of the new site.

We expect a Pre-Launch of the site sometime tomorrow evening. Thank you for your patience.

Charis

Let me guess and Stormpay will be their only processor

I'm out if that's the case!

jerzeebliss

Feb 7 2006, 07:29 PM

QUOTE(abel @ Feb 8 2006, 12:24 AM) [snapback]1138432[/snapback]

Thank you.

Irma

People are doing chargebacks with their credit cards or banks not stormpay

lifeless

Feb 7 2006, 07:30 PM

QUOTE(chloe2651 @ Feb 7 2006, 07:24 PM) [snapback]1138430[/snapback]

I am keeping my charge back against scampay. I don't know if it is charise or the attorneys updating anymore.
To hell with it all.

everybody dont forget to keep us updated on your credit/debit card chargeback experiences

Perpette

Feb 7 2006, 07:30 PM

QUOTE(aer @ Feb 7 2006, 10:28 PM) [snapback]1138467[/snapback]

how to download a history? thanks a lot!

When you view your history you will see a button at the top right of the table that says download.

kidc

Feb 7 2006, 07:30 PM

QUOTE(RQ Cash @ Feb 7 2006, 08:29 PM) [snapback]1138474[/snapback]

More from Charis...

We understand that there are still many questions about the joint statement issued earlier this evening.

Note that we still have many questions as well and still do not have access to our account, so we can't provide any answers at this time regarding what actions have been taken within any specific Stormpay user's account or even ours for that matter.

The attornies will be continuing their conversations tomorrow and we hope more details will be forthcoming from StormPay on these outstanding issues.

Due to the unexpected and extremely important developments of the day and our currently limited staff, we have pushed back the launch of the new site.

We expect a Pre-Launch of the site sometime tomorrow evening. Thank you for your patience.

Charis
Let me guess and Stormpay will be their only processor

I'm out if that's the case!

stormpay is done.....trust me

Radmax

Feb 7 2006, 07:30 PM

QUOTE(poker69 @ Feb 7 2006, 07:28 PM) [snapback]1138462[/snapback]

What is going on???

I'm not sure, but I like the banner

abel

Feb 7 2006, 07:30 PM

QUOTE(chloe2651 @ Feb 7 2006, 09:26 PM) [snapback]1138447[/snapback]

SP charge back is a waste of time. I hace done a chargeback through my bank saying that all my funds have been stolen.

But the money I gave them was from Stormpay. I haven't deposited anything in my Stormpay account from my back for a while. Some of it came from Charge cards, as well. But, again, I think that was a couple of months ago. I don't know if I can get anything back now.

Could someone please advise about this?

Thank you.

Irma

whoot

Feb 7 2006, 07:31 PM

QUOTE(Perpette @ Feb 7 2006, 10:15 PM) [snapback]1138363[/snapback]

Im probably in the minority here about now but yes if there is anything left your account will probably be just fine.

With the admission that the FBI is involved what more can you think about it. Stormpay is doing what they are told to do. As I see it they are reversing everything done in these accounts so that they can take ALL profit back and then just refund the original payments made by us.... now if there is enough left to get all the way to the bottom of the chain... I doubt it.

I still stand firm that the week before all of this came down, when the hyip's went down and people were yelling dont charge back dont report this, dont report that or you are digging your own graves. Well now how much more right can you prove them to be?

Point made clearly. You want to play in these games, dont bring in noses that dont need to see what is going on.

Somebody with their head screwd on straight! Very good, reasonable post Perpette

chloe2651

Feb 7 2006, 07:32 PM

QUOTE(poker69 @ Feb 8 2006, 02:28 PM) [snapback]1138462[/snapback]

What is going on???

Join the list my friend.

cake again

Feb 7 2006, 07:32 PM

QUOTE(johnnyc1978 @ Feb 8 2006, 04:18 AM) [snapback]1138389[/snapback]

No, I had not initiated anything. I just came onto MMG and read in the new posts that someone had had their Stormpay account zeroed. I went to mine and it was zeroed as well - only just over $8 from Stromclix, but it's still thieving. There was no prior warning, they just took it.

I will be asking about a chargeback tomorrow as I am sick of this scum.

Goodnight all.

angel79

Feb 7 2006, 07:32 PM

QUOTE(CharmCity @ Feb 7 2006, 09:06 PM) [snapback]1138300[/snapback]

Laugh all you like. My money is all safe and secure, snug like a baby in a blanket. No matter how many times I log into my completely licensed, fully legal mutual fund account, my money is still there! Cool huh?

Where's YOUR money? LOL

Dude, I have to laugh right now. Even though I shouldn't have laugh at your comment, I have a wicked sense of humor that can't be helped.

While I 110% agree with your first post, about knowing the risks in autosurfs and all, I have to admit this last statement is totally evil.

I understand where your coming from, but have a little compassion plz. And no I never paid one cent to 12P, and no my SP account has not been touched. So I don't feel the anger and outrage most feel on here.

But just put yourself in their position and you played the "fool" and now $1000's of your money is gone. If you think what their going through is funny, then laugh, but please be a little nicer and don't shove it their faces. Just a suggestion.

anniebanany

Feb 7 2006, 07:33 PM

I find it very suspicious that SP's credit cards have been "temporarily out of stock" and the promised new supply of Feb. 1st has now been moved to Feb. 13th.
I know they aren't that hard to manufacture, there's tons of cards on the market and suppliers so,..why the delay? They could have had them printed up within a week, not a month and a half!!
Did they not have the money to pay for them, or to back up their use? (My conclusion - they found out over christmas that the cards wiped out their accounts by ppl being able to load them online and spend,..no delay tactics could be used without ppl getting wise to the lack of a dollar-for-dollar accountability)
Just that the timing of the now-late cards and the BIG FREEZE seems convenient.

HYIPproofDOTcom

Feb 7 2006, 07:33 PM

QUOTE(kidc @ Feb 7 2006, 07:20 PM) [snapback]1138404[/snapback]

its funny.....they took back all the funds i was paid for hyip's but didnt refund or charge back the scam sites that i got took on ...why is this??

This is a VERY good point. They took money where their were winners and let the losers keep their losses.

haloevo

Feb 7 2006, 07:33 PM

FROM CHARIS:
It didn't help that members started screaming to the FBI about Stormpay.

Alright? So maybe stop.

poging

Feb 7 2006, 07:33 PM

QUOTE(sakul1 @ Feb 7 2006, 03:14 PM) [snapback]1136400[/snapback]

and THAT is why I always say, diversify your stash... never have all your buds in one baggie....

saratonyn

Feb 7 2006, 07:34 PM

I think we need to face up to the fact that a class action suit may be the only way for us to get at least some of our money back.

As good as Charis has been about payouts, etc, in the past, I think we've waited long enough to get complete and satisfactory explanations from 12dp, ScamPay or both, but all we have is an even bigger, muddier mess.

There is absolutely no reason to trust ScamPay, but sadly, I don't feel it would be wise to continue trusting in Charis either. She's either a fellow victim who is incapable of helping us or she's in on the ruse. But in either case, looking out for herself is going to be her number 1, full-time priority.

That said, I believe it's time for us to take our fates into our own hands too.

Just my opinion. Best of luck to all of us.

jerzeebliss

Feb 7 2006, 07:34 PM

QUOTE(abel @ Feb 8 2006, 12:30 AM) [snapback]1138493[/snapback]

If you had money just sitting in stormpay that you did from charge cards after 60 days, your out of luck. A charge back on most credit cards is 60 days and debit cards thirty days.

peoplepro

Feb 7 2006, 07:36 PM

WHY DO I FEEL LIKE I AM BEING STRUNG ALONG TO AN INEVITABLE LET DOWN??? I have been patient and civil up to this point. But this last so-called statement from our good friends at 12dp and sp came out of left field and in my opinion throws almost everything into a tale spin....The movie "Sleeping with the Enemy" comes to mind. All the statement did was KICK UP A BUNCH OF DUST! There no meat or substance to it and it makes NO sense. HUMMM, lets see....the last time I read a report about someone stealing something, their motive to steal it wasn't so they could give it back.

I THINK CHARIS MAY BE LOSING HER FOOTING. THINGS ARE GETTING OUTSIDE HER CONTROL. Unless there is a drastic change, I look for her to be operating more from a position of weakness than strength in the oncoming days.

It may be getting time for as many as possible to call the media in TN. The media can sometimes to more good in bringing individuals, particularly our good friends at SP, to justice than law enforcement people!

aer

Feb 7 2006, 07:37 PM

QUOTE(Perpette @ Feb 7 2006, 10:30 PM) [snapback]1138483[/snapback]

When you view your history you will see a button at the top right of the table that says download.

doing it!
thanks!

Perpette

Feb 7 2006, 07:37 PM

QUOTE(HYIPproofDOTcom @ Feb 7 2006, 10:33 PM) [snapback]1138516[/snapback]

This is a VERY good point. They took money where their were winners and let the losers keep their losses.

Not true. I lost in 5dayfunds when they went down. I still had a chagre back from that today too.

johnnyc1978

Feb 7 2006, 07:39 PM

I read that joint statement over again and it seems like something that was issued by the Stormpay attorneys.

Its all one sided to Stormpay (we have real money in our accounts, dont do anymore chargebacks against us or cancel them, we're going to refund you with money we illegally seized from a bunch of personal accounts)

jwsmith527

Feb 7 2006, 07:41 PM

I recently tried to do a chargeback on my credit card and they denied me. They said that stormpay was a gambling site and that they would not do chargebacks for money spent on gambling. I really don't know what to do at this point. Any suggestions?

chloe2651

Feb 7 2006, 07:41 PM

QUOTE(johnnyc1978 @ Feb 8 2006, 02:39 PM) [snapback]1138557[/snapback]

YEs it is all a load of crap. We will stel money to pay people? I don't think so. I'm afraid that 12Dp can no longer be trusted now the attorneys are running it.

tonysoprano

Feb 7 2006, 07:41 PM

QUOTE(saratonyn @ Feb 7 2006, 07:34 PM) [snapback]1138529[/snapback]

We are getting almost daily updates from charis. and so far they are making a lot of progress in their negotiations with SP. Let's be more patient about this as it will just complicate the situation if we rush to complain with the FBI or file a suit. I think that 12DP is doing its best to resolve the problem with SP and soon this whole nightmare will be over.
I never saw such dedication and professionalism with other autosurfs as what 12DP is demonstrating amidst these very crucial situation.

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