QUOTE(HYIPproofDOTcom @ Feb 6 2006, 10:07 PM) [snapback]1127948[/snapback]
SDR,
I will second this one also. I am also a merchant with experience with at least 5 online PP and 2 business bank accounts. Whether offline or online, the payment processor does have the right to freeze your funds. In fact, they have the right to shut down your account and keep your funds for 180 days no matter what your plea, say or lawyers do. You agree to this when you sign up with the terms of service for all PP like StormPay and PayPal. I actually already covered this today but I just had a recent experience with Paypal where they froze my account and kept $13,000. I do not get any of that money until June 2006. Their complaint was the 5 out of 200 transactions a day were asking for refunds or charging back, they deemed this a liability for them and shut down my account and kept my money. In the mean time, PayPal continues to provide refunds and take out fees and other miscellaneous charges out of the $13,000 balance which is about $500 - $900 lighter. I quit looking and I quit fighting because in all honesty you can b**ch and moan all you want and threaten this and that but they can do whatever they want. To top it off, it's not illegal as long as they give you the remaining balance in 180 days. This is what prompted me to do chargebacks with SP in regards to 12DP. Unless something amazing happens, I don't see 12DP getting their money for 180 days from each transaction completion day. So if you sent 12DP money on Jan. 30th like me you can add 180 days to that date. I promise, it's not illegal.
What IS illegal however if the blackmail that Stormpay was involved in with trying to force the autosurf industry into using only one payment processor. In this case, even though it is illegal, it really only becomes criminally chargeable if the merchants have enough money for a good lawyer to try them for an anti-competition/monopoly charge. With the state of or lack of proof of any business models at this point no Autosurf would stand up in a court of law to charge StormPay under anti-competition if they are in fact being suspected of Ponzi activity. No, I'm not saying they are or they are not, just stating the facts. Hope some of that helps? If any of you are sick of trolling through these posts and want updates on 12DP, Autosurfs and StormPay join my newsletter and I'll keep you posted on all the important stuff without the fluff. I also have pictures of the StormPay building, construction site and all that gruesome stuff. Just click the link in my signature and wallah.
Agreed
Someone I have done business with (merchant) and owns several of them actually had his acct. frozen because he made too much $ too quickly! He opened a wedding invitation site and it did so well that he was making over $100,000. That was not the amount he guessed at when making out the application and signing the merchant agreement ... go figure
samtastic
Feb 6 2006, 08:22 PM
QUOTE(HYIPproofDOTcom @ Feb 6 2006, 07:14 PM) [snapback]1127596[/snapback]
In light of it's backers I'll have to give it a second gander. Cool man. So does anyone have any verifiable information that the FBI is in fact involved in the SP investigation? I wonder if that is why SP looks a little deserted. There is nothing to come to work to.
P.S. I have the StormPay building pictures on my site. Always nice to look at the $6k sinkhole. Hehe.
the fbi is worried about find osama ben laden, not worried about a bunch of us saps getting burned by a ponzi industry
chloe2651
Feb 6 2006, 08:22 PM
Sorry already posted.
Tuk
Feb 6 2006, 08:25 PM
QUOTE(mlb5000 @ Feb 6 2006, 08:17 PM) [snapback]1127993[/snapback]
My stuff has been processing since 1/23/06, and they have not responded....they're about responsive as stormpay at this point....I am unimpressed.
Oh that's wonderful news.
Guess I can wait anyway. I think I'm gonna go to my bank tomorrow and file a claim against Scampay, what do I have to lose?
janeblaze70
Feb 6 2006, 08:26 PM
Why do people keep posting the same news over and over and over again. Gosh!
haloevo
Feb 6 2006, 08:28 PM
QUOTE(janeblaze70 @ Feb 6 2006, 08:26 PM) [snapback]1128042[/snapback]
Why do people keep posting the same news over and over and over again. Gosh!
Because they think they are the first. Relax.
chloe2651
Feb 6 2006, 08:29 PM
QUOTE(janeblaze70 @ Feb 7 2006, 03:26 PM) [snapback]1128042[/snapback]
Why do people keep posting the same news over and over and over again. Gosh!
Sorry. Was posting at the same time.
HYIPproofDOTcom
Feb 6 2006, 08:34 PM
QUOTE(janeblaze70 @ Feb 6 2006, 08:26 PM) [snapback]1128042[/snapback]
Why do people keep posting the same news over and over and over again. Gosh!
Look on the bright side, in about 30 minutes you'll have the whole damn letter from Charis memorized? LoL.
Hey Tuk,
I just wanted to warn you that if and when you do file a claim/chargeback/dispute against ScamPay you will have forfeited your entire account and it will be shutdown by SP. This is also in their terms of service. I'm not speaking against your decision as I filed my own chargeback today. Just making sure you know this...
penterprises
Feb 6 2006, 08:37 PM
Man, this site moves too fast to keep up. Does anyone know what the new site address is going to be.
Man, I hope I get my money from SP back from this so I can invest it in the new site!
Tuk
Feb 6 2006, 08:39 PM
QUOTE(HYIPproofDOTcom @ Feb 6 2006, 08:34 PM) [snapback]1128080[/snapback]
Hey Tuk,
I just wanted to warn you that if and when you do file a claim/chargeback/dispute against ScamPay you will have forfeited your entire account and it will be shutdown by SP. This is also in their terms of service. I'm not speaking against your decision as I filed my own chargeback today. Just making sure you know this...
Oh wow....thanks for the info! I could care less about my SCAMPAY ACCOUNT, as I and others will never use them again anyway, however, does a dispute/chargeback in anyway impeed with any future refunds 12DP might give out to me?
samtastic
Feb 6 2006, 08:42 PM
QUOTE(penterprises @ Feb 6 2006, 08:37 PM) [snapback]1128095[/snapback]
Man, this site moves too fast to keep up. Does anyone know what the new site address is going to be.
Man, I hope I get my money from SP back from this so I can invest it in the new site!
we'll all get our money back when 12dp opens new site, because it will be the same money that they and sp scammed us all out of
nascarnut
Feb 6 2006, 08:43 PM
If is ture that they freeze there account for 180 days then we should freeze there site for 180 days .That way they can not do anything with the money .Come on with the DDOS attacks .
penterprises
Feb 6 2006, 08:45 PM
QUOTE(samtastic @ Feb 6 2006, 10:42 PM) [snapback]1128119[/snapback]
we'll all get our money back when 12dp opens new site, because it will be the same money that they and sp scammed us all out of
How are they going to do that? From what I know, SP can keep that money for up to 180 days. Are they just going to credit us that amount and then let us compund until they can pay us? They would not have enough to cover it.
Cardsearch
Feb 6 2006, 08:47 PM
Could someone please tell me the URL of the EMO site? Thanks in advance
david1025
Feb 6 2006, 08:47 PM
are those dates accurate? december 23rd upgrades from stormpay and nobody was going crazy? it must have been jan23. i know egold was pushed back to jan 31 but for stormpay to be that old before all this happened. people were very patient then...
qluc
Feb 6 2006, 08:48 PM
Iam kinda confused about charis's process of refunding. Will the folks with egold/emo and egold/emo money order be refunded full payment (profit+initial investment) or just ur orginal investment? Iam not sure what u meant by emo compounded, can someone clarify? u can compound with emo? lastly should the members with REGULAR EMO upgrade be paid first instead in the end of the order?
Tuk
Feb 6 2006, 08:48 PM
QUOTE(Cardsearch @ Feb 6 2006, 08:47 PM) [snapback]1128145[/snapback]
Could someone please tell me the URL of the EMO site? Thanks in advance
www.emocorp.com
jolee
Feb 6 2006, 08:50 PM
QUOTE(david1025 @ Feb 6 2006, 09:47 PM) [snapback]1128148[/snapback]
are those dates accurate? december 23rd upgrades from stormpay and nobody was going crazy? it must have been jan23. i know egold was pushed back to jan 31 but for stormpay to be that old before all this happened. people were very patient then...
That was a typo (clarified on 12D site)
samtastic
Feb 6 2006, 08:50 PM
QUOTE(penterprises @ Feb 6 2006, 08:45 PM) [snapback]1128136[/snapback]
How are they going to do that? From what I know, SP can keep that money for up to 180 days. Are they just going to credit us that amount and then let us compund until they can pay us? They would not have enough to cover it.
that might be one way, but don't worry, when sp and 12dp get through splitting it all up, 12dp will have plenty of backup to start off fresh, and im jumping on that bandwagon early friend
Cardsearch
Feb 6 2006, 08:51 PM
Sorry..neglected to delete my sig
HYIPproofDOTcom
Feb 6 2006, 08:51 PM
QUOTE(Tuk @ Feb 6 2006, 08:39 PM) [snapback]1128105[/snapback]
Oh wow....thanks for the info! I could care less about my SCAMPAY ACCOUNT, as I and others will never use them again anyway, however, does a dispute/chargeback in anyway impeed with any future refunds 12DP might give out to me?
Tuk,
In the most predictable sense, the entity that will be doing the refunding will be StormPay. Why? If they have frozen their account for being what they deem as an unacceptable business partner (even though they have done the same stuff in the past) they won't give the funds back to 12DailyPro as their investigation conclusion will probably be that they see them as a Ponzi. It will probably come down to exactly what StormPay says it will, them refunding people in the order they invested. Since 12DailyPro won't have the ability to "make money from outside investments" then the account balance will run low or to $0 before they pay out all involved members. StormPay states in response to any AS or HYIP claim you make as of Feb 3rd or so that they will pay in order of you paying in and when the funds run out, they run out.
In the case of 12DP giving you a refund, that will be up to them and be a mess. They might decide to do something similar to Alien Trust and pay back refunds once the business is up and running strong again but this part is clearly a heavy load of speculation.
isolation
Feb 6 2006, 08:54 PM
QUOTE(qluc @ Feb 7 2006, 12:48 PM) [snapback]1128160[/snapback]
Iam kinda confused about charis's process of refunding. Will the folks with egold/emo and egold/emo money order be refunded full payment (profit+initial investment) or just ur orginal investment? Iam not sure what u meant by emo compounded, can someone clarify? u can compound with emo? lastly should the members with REGULAR EMO upgrade be paid first instead in the end of the order?
refund means you will be getting back your initial upgrade only.
emo compounded is for users who choose to compound their upgrades during the transition change from egold to emo.
Tuk
Feb 6 2006, 08:55 PM
QUOTE(HYIPproofDOTcom @ Feb 6 2006, 08:51 PM) [snapback]1128186[/snapback]
Tuk,
In the most predictable sense, the entity that will be doing the refunding will be StormPay. Why? If they have frozen their account for being what they deem as an unacceptable business partner (even though they have done the same stuff in the past) they won't give the funds back to 12DailyPro as their investigation conclusion will probably be that they see them as a Ponzi. It will probably come down to exactly what StormPay says it will, them refunding people in the order they invested. Since 12DailyPro won't have the ability to "make money from outside investments" then the account balance will run low or to $0 before they pay out all involved members. StormPay states in response to any AS or HYIP claim you make as of Feb 3rd or so that they will pay in order of you paying in and when the funds run out, they run out.
In the case of 12DP giving you a refund, that will be up to them and be a mess. They might decide to do something similar to Alien Trust and pay back refunds once the business is up and running strong again but this part is clearly a heavy load of speculation.
Thank you for the clarification.
Do you think it's in my best interest to wait for a refund from StormPay or 12DP, or go ahead and grab onto a claim via my bank at the least and hope for the best?
megazero
Feb 6 2006, 08:59 PM
QUOTE(Tuk @ Feb 6 2006, 08:55 PM) [snapback]1128212[/snapback]
Thank you for the clarification.
Do you think it's in my best interest to wait for a refund from StormPay or 12DP, or go ahead and grab onto a claim via my bank at the least and hope for the best?
I would try the claim with the bank
HYIPproofDOTcom
Feb 6 2006, 09:02 PM
QUOTE(Tuk @ Feb 6 2006, 08:55 PM) [snapback]1128212[/snapback]
Thank you for the clarification.
Do you think it's in my best interest to wait for a refund from StormPay or 12DP, or go ahead and grab onto a claim via my bank at the least and hope for the best?
I really don't want to give out that kind of advice, but from my previous posts you can see what I decided to do.
poging
Feb 6 2006, 09:03 PM
QUOTE(micheleus @ Feb 6 2006, 07:26 PM) [snapback]1127670[/snapback]
me too. try again.you will succeed
sign in securely just add an S https://
DENNY
Feb 6 2006, 09:03 PM
QUOTE(daudi81 @ Feb 6 2006, 07:39 PM) [snapback]1127757[/snapback]
I don't know if this has been posted or not...but I live in Utah and just saw that 12dp will be on the news tonight again at 10. It says "the CEO that handles 12dp's funds opens up to ABC tonight" It was referring to Stormpay obviously.
jennwinn35
Feb 6 2006, 09:09 PM
QUOTE(HYIPproofDOTcom @ Feb 6 2006, 11:15 PM) [snapback]1127983[/snapback]
I can't honestly comment with any substantial information on this because I have never had that problem. The only difference is if you ask for $2000 from your CC they add 3%, which is not illegal. It's a fee to offset StormPay's merchant account fees at their bank with a little padding for the Porsche payment.
Right. But, in order to get that 3% fee added on to your withdraw, by law, they must add it on immediately to the total, and have you confirm the new total before they process the withdraw. Otherwise, they could withdraw all kinds of money from one request and just explain it away, as they did with me and others I am sure.
Dquixote1217
Feb 6 2006, 09:10 PM
QUOTE(samtastic @ Feb 6 2006, 10:50 PM) [snapback]1128179[/snapback]
that might be one way, but don't worry, when sp and 12dp get through splitting it all up, 12dp will have plenty of backup to start off fresh, and im jumping on that bandwagon early friend
Sam old son - you don't have the least sensible posts on this site, but you sure are keeping the lead pack in site.
How appropriate that you advertise Aussie Earners! Instead of blathering on an on about a your spamtastic cons(tipatedbrain)spiracy theory, you might want to drop in on a few forum sites about Aussie Earners!
daudi81
Feb 6 2006, 09:11 PM
K heres what was on ABC
1) Charis is asking for donations to fund 12dp
2)The CEO of stormpay said it is an FBI investigation
3)they still want a legitamate answer on how 12dp can make such high returns...
pretty much it...
DENNY
Feb 6 2006, 09:13 PM
QUOTE(daudi81 @ Feb 6 2006, 09:11 PM) [snapback]1128333[/snapback]
K heres what was on ABC
1) Charis is asking for donations to fund 12dp
2)The CEO of stormpay said it is an FBI investigation
3)they still want a legitamate answer on how 12dp can make such high returns... pretty much it...
Any link in abc4.com....
Thanks...
rollergrrl
Feb 6 2006, 09:14 PM
QUOTE(daudi81 @ Feb 6 2006, 10:11 PM) [snapback]1128333[/snapback]
K heres what was on ABC
1) Charis is asking for donations to fund 12dp
2)The CEO of stormpay said it is an FBI investigation
3)they still want a legitamate answer on how 12dp can make such high returns... pretty much it...
They showed a HUGE stack of emails from all around the world!
Oh, they had a better picture of Charis too!
heatherphipps2
Feb 6 2006, 09:16 PM
QUOTE(daudi81 @ Feb 7 2006, 12:11 AM) [snapback]1128333[/snapback]
K heres what was on ABC
1) Charis is asking for donations to fund 12dp
2)The CEO of stormpay said it is an FBI investigation
3)they still want a legitamate answer on how 12dp can make such high returns... pretty much it...
Wow I must be really confused! I was under the impression that 1) Charis was asking for donations to help with legal fees 2)The CEO of stormpay needed to be investigated by the FBI and 3)12dp makes her high returns from real estate investments.
Amazing how wrong a person can be
(some sarcasm here BTW)
megazero
Feb 6 2006, 09:23 PM
12daily pro is suppose to open a new website tomorrow and the current 12daily pro is going to change
heatherphipps2
Feb 6 2006, 09:23 PM
QUOTE(DENNY @ Feb 7 2006, 12:13 AM) [snapback]1128345[/snapback]
Any link in abc4.com....
Thanks...
Haven't seen anything new posted yet. I'll look a little longer, then I am off to bed!
chloe2651
Feb 6 2006, 09:43 PM
QUOTE(heatherphipps2 @ Feb 7 2006, 04:23 PM) [snapback]1128437[/snapback]
Haven't seen anything new posted yet. I'll look a little longer, then I am off to bed!
It may take a while. Same stuff over and over.
megazero
Feb 6 2006, 09:50 PM
WOW, the traffic at abc4.com went up like 500million!!!
Thanks to us autosurfers we have blown abc4 off the chart at alexa.com
take a look at alexa.com and see the previous states vs Feb. increase with 143%
www.alexa.com
www.abc4.com
eirek
Feb 6 2006, 09:54 PM
lol, they went from rank 57,378 all the way to 3,104
proadco
Feb 6 2006, 09:56 PM
megazero,
LMAOooooo, you were doing the same thing I was doing.
Now, we need to form a StormBan advertising to bring scumpay down.
megazero
Feb 6 2006, 10:04 PM
QUOTE(proadco @ Feb 6 2006, 09:56 PM) [snapback]1128686[/snapback]
megazero, LMAOooooo, you were doing the same thing I was doing.
Now, we need to form a StormBan advertising to bring scumpay down.
i already reported stormpay to ic3.gov which works with the FBI and NW3C about internet crimes and my bank filed a fraud report, hopfully will get back my $300 stormpay has of mine
dmday1
Feb 6 2006, 10:05 PM
QUOTE(megazero @ Feb 7 2006, 12:50 AM) [snapback]1128632[/snapback]
WOW, the traffic at abc4.com went up like 500million!!!
This is why we need to stay away from them. Members writing them emails, etc. only helps them out. If they don't get any response from 12dp members, they may start to drop it. We are only helping out their news station by visiting their site to see what crap they wrote about 12dp this time.
samtastic
Feb 6 2006, 10:05 PM
QUOTE(Dquixote1217 @ Feb 6 2006, 09:10 PM) [snapback]1128315[/snapback]
Sam old son - you don't have the least sensible posts on this site, but you sure are keeping the lead pack in site.
How appropriate that you advertise Aussie Earners! Instead of blathering on an on about a your spamtastic cons(tipatedbrain)spiracy theory, you might want to drop in on a few forum sites about Aussie Earners!
again with the personal insults with no substance
HYIPproofDOTcom
Feb 6 2006, 10:06 PM
So I guess we know why ABC4 has decided to continue reporting on this issue. They are getting their dose of fame. 12DailyPro members are so bored without an active Autosurf site that they are spending all their surfing for free at ABC4, hehe. Geesh.
Joejoeshabadoo
Feb 6 2006, 10:20 PM
should I file a claim for my 12dp $ or not?
megazero
Feb 6 2006, 10:21 PM
QUOTE(Joejoeshabadoo @ Feb 6 2006, 10:20 PM) [snapback]1128841[/snapback]
should I file a claim for my 12dp $ or not?
it wont make any difference if you do or dont, eaither way stormpay wont let you withdraw it
subashr
Feb 6 2006, 10:25 PM
QUOTE(HYIPproofDOTcom @ Feb 7 2006, 02:06 PM) [snapback]1128753[/snapback]
So I guess we know why ABC4 has decided to continue reporting on this issue. They are getting their dose of fame. 12DailyPro members are so bored without an active Autosurf site that they are spending all their surfing for free at ABC4, hehe. Geesh.
well well.. talk about Journalism here.. i remember they replied back on the mails saying they have x much years of experience and knows all..
they just proved tht all wrong now dun they? for some TV station tht ony cares about ratings- i wouldn't be surprised at all wt this kinda news.
I will wait n see how they AS industry gonna fight this Scumpay/Scampay/painpay/Crappay or wateva now.
If it is true tht FBI are involved and ONLY autosurf accounts are blocked- thn why other big accounts that dun even related wt autosuf being blocked here? ANSWER this Stormpay .. ops Scampay
nuk
Feb 6 2006, 10:40 PM
QUOTE(FreeKen @ Feb 6 2006, 04:34 PM) [snapback]1125393[/snapback]
Nice reality. What color is the sky in your world? Who had control of the money last, SP or 12DP and other frozen accounts? Where is the money now and who is responsible for it not being in the proper place, SP or 12DP and other frozen accounts. Who is responsible for paying the cheque you requested, SP or 12DP and the other frozen accounts. There is only one entity currently with access to all the money in the accounts. Is it SP or 12DP or one of the other frozen account holders?
By your reckoning, I should be able to go to my bank and request a withdrawal. If the withdrawal is refused, the bank will have the ability to arbitrarily freeze any or all accounts where there is a record of regular transactions. As they say in the real world, "That does not compute."
No bank or money handler in the US has the right to freeze an account when a withdrawal is requested without a court order or a continued record of the account being in arrears.
They sure do. So does PayPal and both do it all the time. They are not setup as banks for some very good reasons as one of the main ones is because they aren't regulated like a bank is by state and federal regulations. StormPay can freeze everyone's account right now and the only thing you can do about it try and recover it from however you funded SleazePay or go sue StupidPay.
Speaking of lawsuits, how many were filed today? It seemed like we had a 12DP one coming, AT and some others, plus some forum was going to do a class-action lawsuit. Any progress on all of those or is it *more meetings?*
NUK
QUOTE(naknook @ Feb 6 2006, 07:43 PM) [snapback]1126597[/snapback]
OK let me get this straight. The admin of alientrust said that they are going to re-launch with alertpay????
Yeah, his blatherings about a lawsuit ended damn fast. They are also going to use Uniclear who a lot of people are complaining about already. They are going to startover basically *in the hole* owing money and try to get back to paying a profit one day. For those already in, not much else to do but go with the flow. A new spender though would be stupid to join.
NUK
anhonestliving
Feb 6 2006, 10:40 PM
I expect you have all seen the latest in from 12dp.
In their onsite news release on 31st of January, they stated that they were halfway through pending EMO/Egold upgrades (quote): 'We have now paid out approx. 80% of these. By this afternoon we will have paid through half of Jan 8 expirations.......(unquote).
Today in the latest bit of news, they state (quote): We will begin issuing a few refunds this evening, and will process a batch daily. The order of the refunds will be: 1) Remaining Egold/EMO upgrades.......Our hope is that by the time EMO payouts (currently on Dec 8 expiration) catch up with where we left off with StormPay withdrawals (Dec 23 expiration).....(unquote)=
Looks like progress has been non existent?
vicdo2
Feb 6 2006, 10:43 PM
Hi maybe someone can help me. I signed up for stormpay in Oct. After signing for stormpay I then signed up for Netiba. While looking around the site I ran across stormclix. I was able to make up to $1.00 a day. I liked stormclix because I was able to go back and check out what each site had to offer. Most of the sites were autosurfs. After reading the Disclaimer below I began to sign up for autosurfs. I am in several surf sites. It was my understanding that when one puts their surf site on stormclix it first has to be accepted. If we were not suppose to sign up for these sites, why were people spending $5.00 and up to have them on there. Maybe I am missing something. Disclaimer By placing your advertisement with StormPay, no promises, representations or inducements are made. We reserve the right to reject advertisements in our sole discretion, without notice. We do not knowingly accept advertisements that discriminate or intend to discriminate on any illegal basis, or are otherwise illegal. StormPay does not guarantee anything with respect to your advertisement and makes no representations, promises or guarantees of any results related to your advertisement
Maybe I am misreading this disclaimer
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Hope some of that helps? 
So I guess we know why ABC4 has decided to continue reporting on this issue. They are getting their dose of fame. 12DailyPro members are so bored without an active Autosurf site that they are spending all their surfing for free at ABC4, hehe. Geesh. 
