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from stormpay, I still get:
QUOTE Site Temporarily Unavailable
Sorry, the site you requested is currently unavailable. It will be available as soon as possible. Please try again later.
Some information I received from my bank when filing my chargeback:
One slightly disturbing thing I found out is that StormPay has 45 days (at least through my bank) to dispute any chargeback. I am also being mailed by snailmail, an affidavit to sign and fill out and mail back. I can either fax it or mail it. I can also include any documentation which would help them decide on the case what to do. I have a list of different things that will help my case.  In regards to chargebacks, if you paid for your upgrades in any autosurf with your SP balance you can kill that money goodbye for now and hope that StormPay decides to refund the money. As I said in a previous post you have a 50/50 chance of getting a refund. If you paid money into 12DP in the last 15 days or so I would say you are on the wrong side of that 50/50 chance. Also something to note that I think is important that most people probably are not aware of is that if you DO file a chargeback with your credit card company or your bank your StormPay account WILL BE TERMINATED for breach of their terms and conditions. So if you have decided to chargeback, please make sure you are ok with separting with your StormPay account and empty it out as much as you can. If any of you are sick of trolling through these posts and want updates on 12DP, Autosurfs and StormPay join my newsletter and I'll keep you posted on all the important stuff without the fluff. I also have pictures of the StormPay building, construction site and all that gruesome stuff. wink.gif Just click the link in my signature and wallah.
nvm... stormpay.com doesn't work but www.stormpay.com does...
hmmm
Oh well. Goodnight all, let me know if I get paid twice - or even once.
QUOTE(Lauderdale Investor @ Feb 6 2006, 05:24 PM) [snapback]1125778[/snapback] I tried logging into my StormPay account today and this is what I get: The IP address you are connecting from is banned from accessing StormPay.com. If you are using a Proxy IP address, please connect to StormPay.com through your normal Internet Provider. Is anyone else getting this? Why is it doing this? I can't send a ticket in because I can not login. I am not using a Proxy. I am glad my last bank transfer made it to my bank account today. Yep, many of us seem to be getting that message. It's a creative message, better than saying outloud "your account has been frozen for no good reason for now, or may be for permanently. Don't bug down our web server while we are busy collecting members' funds."!!!...... QUOTE($Maker @ Feb 6 2006, 02:35 PM) [snapback]1125844[/snapback] StormPay isin't letting Charis know about it, according to Charis' news update, thus creating confusion to 12DP/Charis. StormPay is deliberately messing things up using 12DP's funds. Charis would have no idea which member has already been paid and which has not, worse yet which has been paid twice... I fully understand that, which is why I said I hoped the members would be honest and notify said admin(s). It's not only 12 DP, but many other autosurfs, and all in the same position with these random refunds. QUOTE(diegocs @ Feb 6 2006, 02:35 PM) [snapback]1125410[/snapback] look what scampay posted in their website: Rumors Put to Rest. 05-Feb-2006 08:38 Recently StormPay.com closed the accounts of what appear to be some major ponzi schemes. These account closures came as the early results of investigations into those businesses by outside investigational organizations as well as our own internal investigations. As a result, possible victims of these businesses are attempting to retaliate against StormPay.com by spreading false rumors and performing DDOS attacks against StormPay's servers. The rumors include such things as "StormPay.com has gone out of business", "Their building has been burned down", and other falsehoods. The DDOS attacks are "Denial of Service" attacks where massive amounts of traffic is sent to the website whereby disallowing legitimate web traffic to reach the website. These attacks only prevent legitimate traffic from reaching the website and pose absolutely no threat to the security of your StormPay account. StormPay will CONTINUE to cooperate with authoritative investigations into these businesses which very heavily appear to be nothing more than illegal ponzi or pyramid schemes. Our hopes are to get these investigations completed as early as possible so that victims can quickly be refunded monies that have been captured in those account closures. However, we must warn that those who are impeding the investigation are only slowing the process for everyone involved. StormPay Inc. That was posted a few hundred pages back.
nope, nevermind.
when I try to log in I still get " Site Temporarily Unavailable Sorry, the site you requested is currently unavailable. It will be available as soon as possible. Please try again later." GRRRR!!
FieryHorse do you happen to have the source on that article you just posted? I would have PMed this but I'm guessing everyone else could use it too.
fieryhorse where did you find that article???
sry I'm not quoting because of length QUOTE(Louer_Adun @ Feb 6 2006, 02:43 PM) [snapback]1125890[/snapback] fieryhorse where did you find that article??? sry I'm not quoting because of length BYU NewsNet website QUOTE(Louer_Adun @ Feb 6 2006, 02:43 PM) [snapback]1125890[/snapback] fieryhorse where did you find that article??? sry I'm not quoting because of length Louer that is hilarious. We posted an identical post (almost) at the same exact minute. LOL. QUOTE(anhonestliving @ Feb 7 2006, 06:37 AM) [snapback]1125849[/snapback] Ban? Is your country banned? I'm in Denmark, and although I couldn't get into the site at first, it was okay after a while. I just made a $1.23 clicking clix (not all just now) So that means I only need to recover another $8,532.27 and I'll break even.  From Malaysia, I'm in juz now, with 7 clix and juz successfully got 1.05. I need less 3k than your figure here  and after i click processed payment, scampay gone down again 
hey ppl any new twists and turns in the saga of good vs evil or is it the same old
 sh#t
I thought the same, great minds think alike. To hell with Stormpay! (and to the bank I hope)
For those of you who are able to access stormclix, are they all busting out of the frames for you? I've clicked on 5 different ones and each one broke out of the frames.
QUOTE(Misfit @ Feb 6 2006, 02:44 PM) [snapback]1125900[/snapback] BYU NewsNet website Hey Misfit, Any idea how to find it at the BYU NewsNet site? I did a search for 12dailypro, ponzi and a couple of other searches but I'm only finding one real article which is old. What is your secret? Hehe. QUOTE(Misfit @ Feb 6 2006, 11:51 PM) [snapback]1125947[/snapback] For those of you who are able to access stormclix, are they all busting out of the frames for you? I've clicked on 5 different ones and each one broke out of the frames. yep, they look like work so from now on. No frames
 How is it that a payment processor can suspend all these sites and freeze accounts. If Stormpay were really concerned about ponzis and pyramid sites then they would not accept the sites in the first place and members would have to use an alternate processor to invest in these autosurfs. Stormpay accepts all the advertising dollars from members paying to advertise all these same sites that they are now calling ponzis. And that makes sense??
QUOTE(fieryhorse @ Feb 6 2006, 05:19 PM) [snapback]1125748[/snapback] Did you read the article below? It�s a bit lengthy but very interesting. I start to wonder if Charis is not in trouble now:--------------- ---- [b]Student Funds Tied Up in Controversial Company By Julie Espinosa - 6 Feb 2006 The financial accounts of controversial autosurf company 12daily Pro - which promises a 44 percent return on money at the end of 12 days - were frozen Wednesday evening, Feb. 1, 2006, spawning rumors of a federal investigation and the inability of an affiliate company to repay funds. .................. Again some controversies and conspiracies. I try to figure out how this saga will ending. And no update from Charis so far (here in my location it is 23:17 GMT). A bit worry!!!! Isn't this what Charis was talking about in the news update? Charis believes that StormPay has fabricated and is circulating this article and Charis claims that neither StormPay nor any independent organization is conducting investigation. 12DP really isn't the one holding the members funds, or is it like implying in the article, but StormPay is. QUOTE(HYIPproofDOTcom @ Feb 6 2006, 02:52 PM) [snapback]1125951[/snapback] Hey Misfit, Any idea how to find it at the BYU NewsNet site? I did a search for 12dailypro, ponzi and a couple of other searches but I'm only finding one real article which is old. What is your secret? Hehe. Article here: http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/58291 And another one: http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/58288
These ads are way too funny! these are the kind of places I totally would not join because they are pyramid schemes! hahaha
Now that I think about it, SP is responsible for my investments in all these ponzis. I signed up so i could get paid to click on ads, ads were all hyips and autosurfs and of course they were sanctioned by sp because they had to approve the ads and all of them were NetIba certified, how could a dumb blonde like me know any better
QUOTE(Misfit @ Feb 7 2006, 12:51 AM) [snapback]1125947[/snapback] For those of you who are able to access stormclix, are they all busting out of the frames for you? I've clicked on 5 different ones and each one broke out of the frames. Me too. I didn't get paid for the first click because I thought that was a pop up page because the were no timer. I didn't get the timer at all - had to count myself  Otherwise worked fine for me. But I felt odd, like going to a battle zone or something
I was navigating their BYU NewsNET and this page seems to be the most productive, http://newsnet.byu.edu/textonly/. There have actually been many articles since the beggining of this, the same as on ABC4 News. Both seem to be good resources, every once in a while they throw in some good facts that were unknown to me along with their crap. Their main message to everyone is just to stay away.
QUOTE(speedbump @ Feb 6 2006, 05:56 PM) [snapback]1125969[/snapback] How is it that a payment processor can suspend all these sites and freeze accounts. If Stormpay were really concerned about ponzis and pyramid sites then they would not accept the sites in the first place and members would have to use an alternate processor to invest in these autosurfs. Stormpay accepts all the advertising dollars from members paying to advertise all these same sites that they are now calling ponzis. And that makes sense?? StormPay maybe was in on the HYIP scheme, like P4IT. You know P4IT, had bee the largest HYIP ever, is gone almost the same time StormPay started freezing funds. It may have been that one action, P4IT's disappearance, caused the other. In any case, StormPay just lost big money maker, P4IT, and wasn't about to loose another, 12DP. That might make more sense, I think MMG member Tarzan was saying that... QUOTE(sanya18 @ Feb 7 2006, 12:01 AM) [snapback]1125989[/snapback]  And they will accept AlertPay
QUOTE(scaredykat @ Feb 6 2006, 08:30 PM) [snapback]1125985[/snapback] These ads are way too funny! these are the kind of places I totally would not join because they are pyramid schemes! hahaha Now that I think about it, SP is responsible for my investments in all these ponzis. I signed up so i could get paid to click on ads, ads were all hyips and autosurfs and of course they were sanctioned by sp because they had to approve the ads and all of them were NetIba certified, how could a dumb blonde like me know any better Exactly, they approved all the ads. They know the sites are autosurfs and hyips and if they felt they were ponzis why were they all approved??? The sites were being advertised over and over on their Stormclix and yet now all these same sites are ponzi. QUOTE(HYIPproofDOTcom @ Feb 6 2006, 11:43 PM) [snapback]1125890[/snapback] FieryHorse do you happen to have the source on that article you just posted? I would have PMed this but I'm guessing everyone else could use it too. QUOTE(Louer_Adun @ Feb 6 2006, 11:43 PM) [snapback]1125890[/snapback] fieryhorse where did you find that article??? sry I'm not quoting because of length The article comes from BYU NewsNet website (as mentioned by someone else). But personally I found the article under 12dp forum which was published minutes before I copy it here. http://forums.12dailypro.com/smf/index.php?topic=25834.0
Alientrust not using EMO??
The alientrust update was hopeful and sounded reasonable! Adbuy sounded like the right terminolgy too lol anyway if I can ever dig up the money I will probably try them out when they start up again! Would like to now hear something comparable from Charis!
QUOTE($Maker @ Feb 6 2006, 03:05 PM) [snapback]1126014[/snapback] StormPay maybe was in on the HYIP scheme, like P4IT. You know P4IT, had bee the largest HYIP ever, is gone almost the same time StormPay started freezing funds. It may have been that one action, P4IT's disappearance, caused the other. In any case, StormPay just lost big money maker, P4IT, and wasn't about to loose another, 12DP. That might make more sense, I think MMG member Tarzan was saying that... It's funny because my friend who lost money in P4I2 after I told her about the site, sent me an email this morning saying the exact same thing. And I was like nah, prob. just a coincidence.
Uniclear, Alertpay, and Egold should be added to 12dailypro's payment prossessor list. These are the prosessors AT is using
QUOTE(DaFreeK @ Feb 6 2006, 03:06 PM) [snapback]1126017[/snapback] And they will accept AlertPay what if alertpay tries to pull a "stormpay"?? QUOTE(lifeless @ Feb 6 2006, 06:13 PM) [snapback]1126067[/snapback] what if alertpay tries to pull a "stormpay"?? Thats true, but I doubt Charis will go to just egold. ANy proccessor can do that...
I am able to get in stormclix. Just saw an auction ad for a stormpay logo hat. Yeah, right!! Who would even bid on or buy that now??? And even worse... who in the
would put that crapola on their head??? 
hopefully 12dp will suggest what AT is doing, and keep the money in the bank... only use online payment processors to get the money to them! Thats very ingenious.
EMO looks pretty honorable,they say they would cooperate with the law and all that other trustworthy **** they say.
QUOTE(Louer_Adun @ Feb 7 2006, 12:15 AM) [snapback]1126079[/snapback] hopefully 12dp will suggest what AT is doing, and keep the money in the bank... only use online payment processors to get the money to them! Thats very ingenious. yeah, but nut good for almost all international members. i cannot cash a cheque with a value below about 200$, and the processing fee is about 30$  omg, i think at is out for me
QUOTE(Louer_Adun @ Feb 6 2006, 06:15 PM) [snapback]1126079[/snapback] hopefully 12dp will suggest what AT is doing, and keep the money in the bank... only use online payment processors to get the money to them! Thats very ingenious. Well I never understood why all these sites were trying to payout through different processors, it only makes sense to me to put it in a bank! paying egold with egold and sp with sp what a bunch a headaches! QUOTE(lifeless @ Feb 6 2006, 06:13 PM) [snapback]1126067[/snapback] what if alertpay tries to pull a "stormpay"?? What's AlertPay's main customers/sources, casino, HYIP and/or others!? Would you know!? StormPay had many HYIPs and AutoSurfs (I know NeTeller only deals with casinos). I totally trust EMO. It's too bad AlienTrust isn't allowing EMO as one of the options.
Yea, I think we should stick with Emo.
QUOTE(sanya18 @ Feb 6 2006, 03:01 PM) [snapback]1125989[/snapback] That is by far the best dang news I've heard all day! I'm glad I signed up for AlertPay 2 days ago too! If you want more information on AlertPay drop by my site and view the update section. I give a quick run down of their service. Good news, Good news. Refunds, Ad Credits and a new autosurf that has a GREAT plan, put all the money in a REAL bank. Whoo hoo!
ive only ever seen alertpay used by auctionmills.com,that's it..
12dp is a ponzi but studio traffic isnt?
sp iw wierd! got a 5 cent click and it should a paid better it took five minutes to scrol through it! QUOTE(haloevo @ Feb 6 2006, 03:21 PM) [snapback]1126105[/snapback] Yea, I think we should stick with Emo. Add a second to that, and probably a third, and a fourth, etc. QUOTE(lifeless @ Feb 6 2006, 03:13 PM) [snapback]1126067[/snapback] what if alertpay tries to pull a "stormpay"?? They can't! That's the beauty of it. If Alien Trust does what should have been done all along, put the funds in their bank account every day then the Payment Processor becomes... woah, a PAYMENT PROCESSOR and that's it. LoL. Cool. QUOTE(imstush @ Feb 6 2006, 04:11 PM) [snapback]1126056[/snapback] It's funny because my friend who lost money in P4I2 after I told her about the site, sent me an email this morning saying the exact same thing. And I was like nah, prob. just a coincidence. don't forget about 5dayfunds going down too... I think they were just as big as p4i2
alertpay looks kinda sucky
QUOTE(lifeless @ Feb 6 2006, 03:16 PM) [snapback]1126085[/snapback] EMO looks pretty honorable,they say they would cooperate with the law and all that other trustworthy **** they say. Yea and so did ScamPay with their Net IBA certified BS! Speaking of I never did recieve my pin number in the mail con artists! |