QUOTE(daudi81 @ Feb 6 2006, 08:02 AM) [snapback]1122640[/snapback]
Well I doubt stormpay is bankrupt. My withraw to my bank account was succesful and took 3 business days as usual.
Glad to hear they paid you still waiting for mine
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Well I doubt stormpay is bankrupt. My withraw to my bank account was succesful and took 3 business days as usual. Glad to hear they paid you still waiting for mine QUOTE(scaredykat @ Feb 7 2006, 02:49 AM) [snapback]1122514[/snapback] Where is the NME site so we can go get info on these calls? All i find in a search is a rock band! http://www.nmeglobal.com/main/
Just listened to the tape.
They said something about 12dp upgrades to be transfered to the their new AS site? QUOTE(fieryhorse @ Feb 6 2006, 07:58 AM) [snapback]1122586[/snapback] am listening to the WAV file and it seems by the way they are talking is that they have been around for awhile. What is their website? I havent heard of them. Aside from the mp3 and wav files of their conference, where is their official site for more information. QUOTE(kidc @ Feb 6 2006, 11:02 AM) [snapback]1122642[/snapback] you would think stormpay was money in the bank..there for you arnt looseing Stormpay is supposed to have money in the bank. But they DONT!!!! They cannot back the funds that show online. Its like having paper money without the gold to back it up. No gold makes that money just paper. I hope stormpay can come up with the money they owe us...for our sake
i just read this over at the other forum ????
Re: Mr. McConnell spotted in Brunswick, Georgia « Reply #22 on: Today at 10:58:32 AM » Reply with quote An update on the Email I received about McConnell in Brunswick: I caught up with a couple of the guys at about 4am on sunday at a hotel here in town. john m. was not staying there under his name. if he was there he was staying with someone as they had several rooms. i did speak with these guys and right off the bat they started explaining that they were a totaly differant organization from the online processor (they were just a race team) i told them that i understood that i was just trying to find some answers. i asked them if they knew what was going on with stormpay and the freezing of our money. they told me that all that john had told them was that 12dp was a legitiment site and they were going to unfreeze their account on monday. i asked them where john was and they told us he was in tenn (of course) they said stormpay was not going out of bussiness or bankrupt (like they know!) all of that is bull but i did try to find him. i was so ticked off i barely slept last night. Again, take it for whatever it's worth (probably not much). But, if the Scum is serious about avoiding some major lawsuits and investigations into HIS business, then he better hurry up and unfreeze those funds QUICK! Rob QUOTE(babyblue19 @ Feb 6 2006, 02:39 AM) [snapback]1119568[/snapback] I heard that SP has randomly refunded some of the transaction, but I have another theory, I am aware that thousands of HYIP member has file a chargeback against SP few days ago, and SP is put in a redflag by CC company, then around 2-3 days ago all CC transaction via SP was voided and refunded back to the user. I don't see anyone here that get refunded NOT using his/her CC when upgrading via 12dp. Well, I'm just assuming Is there anyone here get refunded via SP using his/her SP balance while upgrading ? Correct me if I'm wrong !! Your theory is a very good one and I'd bet that it's pretty close to the actual facts. This is refreshing .gif) NUK QUOTE(jasminesweet @ Feb 6 2006, 08:07 AM) [snapback]1122680[/snapback] Just listened to the tape. They said something about 12dp upgrades to be transfered to the their new AS site? I can't open it jasminesweet, could you give a brief rundown? QUOTE(fxteam @ Feb 6 2006, 05:05 PM) [snapback]1122668[/snapback] Glad to hear they paid you still waiting for mine Lol someone got paid... QUOTE(zyduuu @ Feb 6 2006, 08:10 AM) [snapback]1122706[/snapback] Lol someone got paid... Ya from sp 
QUOTE(bryon @ Feb 6 2006, 11:07 AM) [snapback]1122677[/snapback] Well on thier conference call they made it sound like it was free, but immediately they want you to subscribe using paypal, well one for the same kind of unethical shenanigans sp is using now, I dont have a paypal account and do not want one, they left me in the RED through no fault of my own! so I could never even join thier site if I wanted to! So I hope if there are any more conference updates someone will keep us posted here!
ok, it's monday now..
did SP unfroze the account of 12daily? QUOTE(anhonestliving @ Feb 6 2006, 08:10 AM) [snapback]1122705[/snapback] I can't open it jasminesweet, could you give a brief rundown? I just downed a six pack. I mean I seldom resort to alcoholic stuffs but you know things are getting out of hand for me I had no choice, I'm too high to do any serious typing for now.. But I'm 99% sure I heard someting about what I've mentioned earlier 
QUOTE(Yoeri @ Feb 6 2006, 09:14 AM) [snapback]1122739[/snapback] ok, it's monday now.. did SP unfroze the account of 12daily? I don't think so.
QUOTE(jasminesweet @ Feb 6 2006, 08:15 AM) [snapback]1122744[/snapback] I just downed a six pack. I mean I seldom resort to alcoholic stuffs but you know things are getting out of hand for me I had no choice, I'm too high to do any serious typing for now.. But I'm 99% sure I heard someting about what I've mentioned earlier  LOL, ok jasminesweet, no problem! Perhaps I should do the same!
From a private forum I go to:
Posted: 2/6/2006 09:53:18 AM | Message Detail Just letting you guys know that my $5000 withdrawal from Feb 1st was paid in my actually bank account this morning. I still have a $1000 pending from last Friday. This is good news for people worried for their money sitting in their Stormpay account, but I hope you guys with money in 12dailypro and such get their money straightened out. QUOTE(flois40 @ Feb 6 2006, 07:09 AM) [snapback]1121039[/snapback] Below is an email I sent yesterday and the reply I got this morning... don't know if it has done any good but I tried! -----Original Message----- From: FLOIS40@aol.com [mailto:FLOIS40@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 3:35 PM To: Salt Lake KTVX News Subject: Hello from the UK Hello there from the UK I'd just like to point out that your reporting of the 12 Daily Pro Internet Advertising Company, which I have been following on the internet, is very flawed. Please research your subjects more thoroughly as even the most basic mistakes have been made. For a simple example you mentioned that members have to download something - totally untrue and if you had even read the terms and conditions of the site then you would know that. I could make a list but it would be too long and I really want you to read all of this email. This shows that whoever did the research did not do their jobs correctly, they should be reprimanded. Also you have failed to report at all (up to now) of any issues regarding Stormpay. Stormpay have acted very strangely over the whole debacle, in fact it is Stormpay who have brought this all to a grinding halt, consequences being that a lot of people have lost a lot of money. Not only in Autosurf Adverising Industry but within the memberships of such sites, as Stormpay have now randomly frozen individual accounts besides that of other Autosurf Adverising Sites. All monies that are sat in Stormpay accounts from all over the world. These are just ordinary people, or rather there are some extra ordinary ones, people who were living the lives of paupers until they could earn from Autosurf Adverising. One lady had survived the Tsunami but lost two limbs, unable to go out to work she thought it was heaven sent when she could earn a living doing autorsurfing. She was living in relavtive normality again, paying her hospital bills and managing to eat - all because of 12 Daily Pro and other like sites. Now she has nothing, or rather she has, but Stormpay have frozen the account she gets her money from. Fair? I don't think so. Please investigate Stormpay, they really are the bigger picture. yours Flo Mitchell West Yorkshire UK Reply Thanks you for contacting ABC 4 News. We have received many requests for further info on our story. Several people have heard in chat rooms and emails that they belive that ABC 4 was unfair in their coverage. We invite you to view the story for yourself by visiting HYPERLINK "http://www.abc4.comc/"www.abc4.comc. Thank you, ABC 4, News Notice the link doesn't work, well it does if you take off the last 'c'. Nice to know they are compter savvy! NOT That was the identical response I got from them when I sent a similar letter. My link didn't work wither. Must be a form letter.  They obviously don't care about the reporting of the truth, but most of the time the media doesn't. We (on this forum) have done more investigative reporting than they ever will. 
QUOTE(Yoeri @ Feb 6 2006, 08:14 AM) [snapback]1122739[/snapback] ok, it's monday now.. did SP unfroze the account of 12daily? I think (hope) we will hear about it pretty quickly is it happens. ...and I repeat 'IF'. QUOTE(anhonestliving @ Feb 6 2006, 08:16 AM) [snapback]1122754[/snapback] LOL, ok jasminesweet, no problem! Perhaps I should do the same! A toast to you my friend
QUOTE(janice @ Feb 6 2006, 11:09 AM) [snapback]1122700[/snapback] i just read this over at the other forum ???? Re: Mr. McConnell spotted in Brunswick, Georgia « Reply #22 on: Today at 10:58:32 AM » Reply with quote An update on the Email I received about McConnell in Brunswick: I caught up with a couple of the guys at about 4am on sunday at a hotel here in town. john m. was not staying there under his name. if he was there he was staying with someone as they had several rooms. i did speak with these guys and right off the bat they started explaining that they were a totaly differant organization from the online processor (they were just a race team) i told them that i understood that i was just trying to find some answers. i asked them if they knew what was going on with stormpay and the freezing of our money. they told me that all that john had told them was that 12dp was a legitiment site and they were going to unfreeze their account on monday. i asked them where john was and they told us he was in tenn (of course) they said stormpay was not going out of bussiness or bankrupt (like they know!) all of that is bull but i did try to find him. i was so ticked off i barely slept last night. Again, take it for whatever it's worth (probably not much). But, if the Scum is serious about avoiding some major lawsuits and investigations into HIS business, then he better hurry up and unfreeze those funds QUICK! Rob lol, if 12Dailypro is completely legitimate, I will be completely STUNNED! And apply for a job at Lifeclicks. QUOTE(MoneyGetter @ Feb 6 2006, 05:08 AM) [snapback]1120367[/snapback] ryans i already had my eyes on you .....peeped all your informative curious questions.....PLANT!!!  WHy would it matter? Stormpay boosters and employees can post and read here like anyone else. NUK
Let pray that things will turn out fine... still have at least 6k in 12DP
QUOTE(jasminesweet @ Feb 6 2006, 08:18 AM) [snapback]1122771[/snapback] A toast to you my friend Shouldn't that read 'toasht'? QUOTE(to_rich_and_famous @ Feb 6 2006, 05:17 AM) [snapback]1120398[/snapback] a picture from satelite of some place maybe ????? Exactly  Looks like what I see when I look out the window of the airplane. Oh yeah, that would be from the First Class section also. Maybe it looks different if you're sitting in the back next to the lavatories  NUK QUOTE(anhonestliving @ Feb 6 2006, 08:21 AM) [snapback]1122804[/snapback] Shouldn't that read 'toasht'? My bad, excuse my typo Look link Stormpay and netiba site are down again.... 
880% per year at best. I love these media reports of 5,000%+ promises 12Daily is claiming. Maybe this will keep the closed minded away from our program, they seem to be the ones causing so many problems.
30 twelve day pay periods in a year. maximum profit is $2,640 per period. 30 x $2,640 = $79,200 profit per year. $79,200 / $9,000 = 880% ROI per year. *$9,000 because that is what has to be invested to keep $6,000 constantly earning 12% per day. 3x3x3. *I know, actually our money is tied up for closer to 19 days. I used 12 day periods because that is what the site promotes (and delivers on I might add). Besides it is irrelevant how long it takes the check to get to us, we earned 12% for 12 days. It only comes into play on 12Daily's side because they can earn a few days interest on our money. 880% is still an amazing return, however it is one that 12Daily obviously has a plan to be able to provide and has been providing. $9000 x 5000% = $450,000 per year. Now that would be a great program. Maybe something Charis can shoot for in the next program. QUOTE(airstorm @ Feb 6 2006, 08:21 AM) [snapback]1122801[/snapback] Let pray that things will turn out fine... still have at least 6k in 12DP You and me both. We are (or should be) aware of the risks involved, but most of us didn't realise the pp would be the one to throw a spanner in the works. I am not alone when I say I am DYING too know the real story! QUOTE(smashin @ Feb 6 2006, 05:07 PM) [snapback]1122682[/snapback] am listening to the WAV file and it seems by the way they are talking is that they have been around for awhile. What is their website? I havent heard of them. Aside from the mp3 and wav files of their conference, where is their official site for more information. This is their website: http://www.nmeglobal.com/main/ QUOTE(janice @ Feb 6 2006, 09:09 AM) [snapback]1122700[/snapback] i just read this over at the other forum ???? Re: Mr. McConnell spotted in Brunswick, Georgia « Reply #22 on: Today at 10:58:32 AM » Reply with quote An update on the Email I received about McConnell in Brunswick: I caught up with a couple of the guys at about 4am on sunday at a hotel here in town. john m. was not staying there under his name. if he was there he was staying with someone as they had several rooms. i did speak with these guys and right off the bat they started explaining that they were a totaly differant organization from the online processor (they were just a race team) i told them that i understood that i was just trying to find some answers. i asked them if they knew what was going on with stormpay and the freezing of our money. they told me that all that john had told them was that 12dp was a legitiment site and they were going to unfreeze their account on monday. i asked them where john was and they told us he was in tenn (of course) they said stormpay was not going out of bussiness or bankrupt (like they know!) all of that is bull but i did try to find him. i was so ticked off i barely slept last night. Again, take it for whatever it's worth (probably not much). But, if the Scum is serious about avoiding some major lawsuits and investigations into HIS business, then he better hurry up and unfreeze those funds QUICK! Rob jeez people... do you no understand YET? After all this! The ONLY explanation that ALL autosurf sites have their funds frozen is that THERE REALLY IS AN INVESTIGATION into the ponzis.. Stormpay maybe a shady company, but, they are not stealing our money.... that is ludicrous... instead of hoping and praying that 12dailypro comes back, and we can continue on making a killing, we should be concentrating on getting some initial money back... Honestly, I knew what 12daily was going in.... but I was all for it, as I knew I could make some money... I guess I just assumed that everyone else knew too.. anybody starting lawsuits against stormpay better have a good explanation why they are invovled in a ponzi.
I listened to the information on that conference call. ABC4 news was there, but too late as the conference was over. I think they are trying to get information for real. but, Charis needs to speak to them or her attorney needs to. There are good reasons not to tell everyone everything that is going on especially when it involves lawsuits.
However if you listen to Charis speak the chain of events, noone could make that much stuff up in the time span it occured in. My husband was listening just to see what I was doing and when it was over he said somebody is going to end up dead over this. Meaning in his view that something is way wrong here. This woman sounds very beleivable and very credible. I wish she would hold her own conference for 12DP members only. All though very painful to listen to this with all the squeaks and squeals of conference calls that aare 4 way calls it is worth listening to so back track a page or so and get the link and listen! QUOTE(Classy Lassie @ Feb 6 2006, 10:32 AM) [snapback]1122378[/snapback] My daughter is in first year University, taking Math. I gave her the figures, and she got it nailed the first time. Goes to show you that a kid out of high school can understand this, with only a basic of Math skills. People with PHD's could too, if they chose to. When Math proffs and television stations defend their inability to do basic Math, it's time we reviewed our education system. I hope the news does a piece on that next. Classy Lassie The confusion comes from the fact that the program name 12Daily is very misleading. NUK QUOTE(Tips2earn @ Feb 6 2006, 08:25 AM) [snapback]1122835[/snapback] Look link Stormpay and netiba site are down again.... Problably from everyone flooding their mailserver 
QUOTE(sakul1 @ Feb 6 2006, 11:27 AM) [snapback]1122865[/snapback] jeez people... do you no understand YET? After all this! The ONLY explanation that ALL autosurf sites have their funds frozen is that THERE REALLY IS AN INVESTIGATION into the ponzis.. Stormpay maybe a shady company, but, they are not stealing our money.... that is ludicrous... instead of hoping and praying that 12dailypro comes back, and we can continue on making a killing, we should be concentrating on getting some initial money back... Honestly, I knew what 12daily was going in.... but I was all for it, as I knew I could make some money... I guess I just assumed that everyone else knew too.. anybody starting lawsuits against stormpay better have a good explanation why they are invovled in a ponzi. Why is it so easy to blame the so called ponzi's and ignore the payment processors involvement with them? the money sp made off of these ponzi's bought a share of a racetrack and a race car lol. Better question is this, why are they spending these sites frozen money giving refunds to people who did not request them but denying claims of those who do? QUOTE(sakul1 @ Feb 6 2006, 09:27 AM) [snapback]1122865[/snapback] jeez people... do you no understand YET? After all this! The ONLY explanation that ALL autosurf sites have their funds frozen is that THERE REALLY IS AN INVESTIGATION into the ponzis.. Stormpay maybe a shady company, but, they are not stealing our money.... that is ludicrous... instead of hoping and praying that 12dailypro comes back, and we can continue on making a killing, we should be concentrating on getting some initial money back... Honestly, I knew what 12daily was going in.... but I was all for it, as I knew I could make some money... I guess I just assumed that everyone else knew too.. anybody starting lawsuits against stormpay better have a good explanation why they are invovled in a ponzi. stormpay should have a reason they took your money and why they have made millions off of ponzi's ...did you think about that part? in order for there to be a freez there has to be a court order....stormpay is in the us...court order is how we do things here....ive searched and searched cant find any court order (public info) QUOTE(sakul1 @ Feb 6 2006, 08:27 AM) [snapback]1122865[/snapback] jeez people... do you no understand YET? After all this! The ONLY explanation that ALL autosurf sites have their funds frozen is that THERE REALLY IS AN INVESTIGATION into the ponzis.. Stormpay maybe a shady company, but, they are not stealing our money.... that is ludicrous... instead of hoping and praying that 12dailypro comes back, and we can continue on making a killing, we should be concentrating on getting some initial money back... Honestly, I knew what 12daily was going in.... but I was all for it, as I knew I could make some money... I guess I just assumed that everyone else knew too.. anybody starting lawsuits against stormpay better have a good explanation why they are invovled in a ponzi. 'getting some of our money back' sounds good to me.
customerservice@legendsbank.com
they said they would like to hear about stormpay and 12dp from email please dont call the bank QUOTE(Knot-fore-sail @ Feb 6 2006, 11:25 AM) [snapback]1122838[/snapback] 880% per year at best. 880% is still an amazing return, however it is one that 12Daily obviously has a plan to be able to provide and has been providing. $9000 x 5000% = $450,000 per year. Now that would be a great program. Maybe something Charis can shoot for in the next program. That's certainly AMAZING or something to say the least, but c'mon, there are hyips out there paying a whole lot more than that Some pay over 200% a day! Isn't that phenomenal? See, they have these TEAMS of seasoned Forex traders. Real pro's! It says so right on the website and the admin swears to it! Maybe Charis needs to call them and learn how to REALLY invest and earn a good return.  I know some seasoned investors and they always say "never diversify with anything. Put everything you own into one something and let it sit there. Especially an online payment processor that doesn't pay interest to you. Put a ton in there, don't invest it elsewhere. For God's sake don't put it in a real bank. Hey, you're earning 0% but that's the secret the super-rich don't want you to know!" NUK QUOTE(nuk @ Feb 6 2006, 11:41 AM) [snapback]1122978[/snapback] That's certainly AMAZING or something to say the least, but c'mon, there are hyips out there paying a whole lot more than that Some pay over 200% a day! Isn't that phenomenal? See, they have these TEAMS of seasoned Forex traders. Real pro's! It says so right on the website and the admin swears to it! Maybe Charis needs to call them and learn how to REALLY invest and earn a good return. I know some seasoned investors and they always say "never diversify with anything. Put everything you own into one something and let it sit there. Especially an online payment processor that doesn't pay interest to you. Put a ton in there, don't invest it elsewhere. For God's sake don't put it in a real bank. Hey, you're earning 0% but that's the secret the super-rich don't want you to know!" NUK What makes you beleive thier site's claims? lol
any new updates on SP ?
QUOTE(scaredykat @ Feb 6 2006, 09:32 AM) [snapback]1122907[/snapback] Why is it so easy to blame the so called ponzi's and ignore the payment processors involvement with them? the money sp made off of these ponzi's bought a share of a racetrack and a race car lol. Better question is this, why are they spending these sites frozen money giving refunds to people who did not request them but denying claims of those who do? it's easy to blame the ponzis because that is the law, and they won't win. It doesn't matter what sp has spent their money on, they are a legit business, whether we like it or not, I would suggest that they made a KILLING by funding these ponzis, but now the hammer has fallen, and they have been forced to play this hand... That is the only explanation (well, besides that SP is SATAN and they just want to steal money) why ALL AS sites are frozen. SP got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and to save their asses, they are singing... i fear that the real demise of the AS industry will be all those folks that sent angry letters to abc news.. DUH! I was on this board telling people that that is the WORST thing you could do, but no, flood the news channels and the FTC and FBI... Charis is partly to blame, for not being up front, and we are to blame as well, for being so blindly trusting.... I won't be surprised if this goes to national news, and unfortunately, Charis will go to jail..
Any new info on SP/12dp?
QUOTE(kidc @ Feb 6 2006, 09:32 AM) [snapback]1122908[/snapback] stormpay should have a reason they took your money and why they have made millions off of ponzi's ...did you think about that part? in order for there to be a freez there has to be a court order....stormpay is in the us...court order is how we do things here....ive searched and searched cant find any court order (public info) They haven't TAKEN the money, I am sure that it is sitting in their bank, and it just can't be accessed. And I think the Patriot Act has probably channged things in the US.. And the reason they took the money and made money off ponzis is the same for everyone, it was a GRAVY TRAIN.... Now, they probably were exposed with huge cc chargebacks, and the banks got involved, then possibly the feds.. maybe.. What guarantees the feds are involved is abc news... They will definately get the feds involved.. Do you think they are part of the 'conspiarcy' against Charis by stating that there are ongoing investigations by the AG? Doubt it. QUOTE(sakul1 @ Feb 6 2006, 11:47 AM) [snapback]1123043[/snapback] it's easy to blame the ponzis because that is the law, and they won't win. It doesn't matter what sp has spent their money on, they are a legit business, whether we like it or not, I would suggest that they made a KILLING by funding these ponzis, but now the hammer has fallen, and they have been forced to play this hand... That is the only explanation (well, besides that SP is SATAN and they just want to steal money) why ALL AS sites are frozen. SP got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and to save their asses, they are singing... i fear that the real demise of the AS industry will be all those folks that sent angry letters to abc news.. DUH! I was on this board telling people that that is the WORST thing you could do, but no, flood the news channels and the FTC and FBI... Charis is partly to blame, for not being up front, and we are to blame as well, for being so blindly trusting.... I won't be surprised if this goes to national news, and unfortunately, Charis will go to jail.. I don;t think Charis has anything to worry about TBH. If she did she would not be hiring attorneys! QUOTE(scaredykat @ Feb 6 2006, 09:44 AM) [snapback]1123013[/snapback] What makes you beleive thier site's claims? lol ditto.. same goes for 12dailypro site.
SP owed me a lot of virtual money
QUOTE(sakul1 @ Feb 6 2006, 09:47 AM) [snapback]1123043[/snapback] it's easy to blame the ponzis because that is the law, and they won't win. It doesn't matter what sp has spent their money on, they are a legit business, whether we like it or not, I would suggest that they made a KILLING by funding these ponzis, but now the hammer has fallen, and they have been forced to play this hand... That is the only explanation (well, besides that SP is SATAN and they just want to steal money) why ALL AS sites are frozen. SP got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and to save their asses, they are singing... i fear that the real demise of the AS industry will be all those folks that sent angry letters to abc news.. DUH! I was on this board telling people that that is the WORST thing you could do, but no, flood the news channels and the FTC and FBI... Charis is partly to blame, for not being up front, and we are to blame as well, for being so blindly trusting.... I won't be surprised if this goes to national news, and unfortunately, Charis will go to jail.. stormpay made money off illegal stuff is what you are saying stormpay isnt too legit takeing money from what you call ponzis (12daily) is it? QUOTE(scaredykat @ Feb 6 2006, 08:44 AM) [snapback]1123013[/snapback] What makes you beleive thier site's claims? lol I think nuk was joking....maybe you are too....
QUOTE(kidc @ Feb 7 2006, 12:57 AM) [snapback]1123124[/snapback] stormpay made money off illegal stuff is what you are saying stormpay isnt too legit takeing money from what you call ponzis (12daily) is it? well, seen to me it look very much like SP is doing it.... QUOTE(scaredykat @ Feb 6 2006, 09:53 AM) [snapback]1123086[/snapback] I don;t think Charis has anything to worry about TBH. If she did she would not be hiring attorneys! Well let's hope that Charis has some magical investment strategy that makes hundreds of times more than wall street, is so important and secret that she can't share it with anyone, (like US) and can PROVE it in court.. and from what you said a few minutes earlier... 'you can't beleive everything you read on web sites' |
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