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kleefton
There is a thread on Talkgold right now revealing that the Stormpay building has caught on fire.

Take it for what it's worth.
heatherphipps2
QUOTE(lopheaded @ Feb 4 2006, 08:10 PM) [snapback]1108214[/snapback]

so how long till the stormpay thread in the payment processors area gets moved to the on hold section?!?

rolleyes.gif rofl4.gif

This hasn't been done already? post-36326-1110185726.gif
lopheaded
QUOTE(kleefton @ Feb 4 2006, 08:12 PM) [snapback]1108232[/snapback]

There is a thread on Talkgold right now revealing that the Stormpay building has caught on fire.

Take it for what it's worth.



rofl4.gif
richville
I dont' even know if this is good news or bad news anymore, but stormpay site is up for me
mlb5000
QUOTE(headystuff @ Feb 4 2006, 08:11 PM) [snapback]1108228[/snapback]

Just in:




MICHAEL T. ROSE, Esq.





409 Central Avenue

Summerville, S.C. 29483

mrose5@sc.rr.com



February 04, 2006



Life Clicks LLC

8116 South Tryon Street

Suite B3, #15 Fax 1-866-308-0133

Charlotte, NC 28273





Dear Sir or Madamn:



I am an attorney who represents myself and other members of 12 Daily Pro in South Carolina.

Please see http://www.martindale.com search “Michael Rose” in “Summerville, SC”.



I am writing to offer free legal services by my law firm regarding the withholding of money from 12 Daily Pro members due to issues with Storm Pay. I would like to work with the attorney you already have.



Please have your attorney contact me, or inform me how I can contact your attorney, immediately, so I can discuss how we might work together.



Thank you for your assistance and consideration.



Sincerely,





Michael T. Rose, Esq.

843-871-1821

843-875-6856

843-478-7595 cell



so is this guy for real? or is he looking to incriminate people. i'd like some more information about this guy.
scaredykat
QUOTE(headystuff @ Feb 4 2006, 08:11 PM) [snapback]1108228[/snapback]

Just in:




MICHAEL T. ROSE, Esq.





409 Central Avenue

Summerville, S.C. 29483

mrose5@sc.rr.com



February 04, 2006



Life Clicks LLC

8116 South Tryon Street

Suite B3, #15 Fax 1-866-308-0133

Charlotte, NC 28273





Dear Sir or Madamn:



I am an attorney who represents myself and other members of 12 Daily Pro in South Carolina.

Please see http://www.martindale.com search “Michael Rose” in “Summerville, SC”.



I am writing to offer free legal services by my law firm regarding the withholding of money from 12 Daily Pro members due to issues with Storm Pay. I would like to work with the attorney you already have.



Please have your attorney contact me, or inform me how I can contact your attorney, immediately, so I can discuss how we might work together.



Thank you for your assistance and consideration.



Sincerely,





Michael T. Rose, Esq.

843-871-1821

843-875-6856

843-478-7595 cell




Way to go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Omego2K
nvm
madbob
I've just heard a report from the brother of a former hyip owner that the stormpay building has been taken over by little green men from mars.....

heatherphipps2
QUOTE(headystuff @ Feb 4 2006, 08:11 PM) [snapback]1108228[/snapback]

Just in:




MICHAEL T. ROSE, Esq.





409 Central Avenue

Summerville, S.C. 29483

mrose5@sc.rr.com



February 04, 2006



Life Clicks LLC

8116 South Tryon Street

Suite B3, #15 Fax 1-866-308-0133

Charlotte, NC 28273





Dear Sir or Madamn:



I am an attorney who represents myself and other members of 12 Daily Pro in South Carolina.

Please see http://www.martindale.com search “Michael Rose” in “Summerville, SC”.



I am writing to offer free legal services by my law firm regarding the withholding of money from 12 Daily Pro members due to issues with Storm Pay. I would like to work with the attorney you already have.



Please have your attorney contact me, or inform me how I can contact your attorney, immediately, so I can discuss how we might work together.



Thank you for your assistance and consideration.



Sincerely,





Michael T. Rose, Esq.

843-871-1821

843-875-6856

843-478-7595 cell


yahoo.gif yahoo.gif yahoo.gif Is this true!!!! yahoo.gif yahoo.gif yahoo.gif
scaredykat
QUOTE(richville @ Feb 4 2006, 08:13 PM) [snapback]1108242[/snapback]

I dont' even know if this is good news or bad news anymore, but stormpay site is up for me

Are you sure? I cant get anything at all from stormpay! Maybe you are viewing a cached copy?
proadco
I beleive Charis and her attorney should entertain
the idea of a possible lawsuit against abc4 news
for misleading the pubic.

Abc4 news headlines are 12dpro shuts down:
investors waits for money.

Leading the public to the false conclusion as if
12drp has ripped the advertisers off who has
upgraded for our advertisements to be shown global wide.

The actual real story behind the scenes is with Stormpay, A
globalwide payment processor, located in Clarksvile,
Tn . Whereas, reporter Brent Hunsaker/ABC4 News Staff
has failed to do a thorough investigation.

As the original story broke In Utah with As ABC4 News
reported Thursday night, Ned Hill, Dean of BYU's Marriott
School of Business became alarmed that some of his
students were promoting what he believed was a risky,
unethical and possibly illegal enterprise.

A memo from Dean Hill warned those students they are
in danger of being expelled.

This clearly shows the Dean of Marriot School of Business
is being a dictator to the students of BYU/MSB as how students
to spend their personal money and threatens to expell students.

Abc4 news has clearly singled out 12dailypro, an advertising
vehicle where online business marketers are allowed to advertise
their home business opportunity to other global wide marketers.

Stormpay through it's business practises has disrupted internet
commerce and holding many merchantile accounts hostage.

Stormpay being an online payment processor earns it's profits
by charging transcation fee's. As tens of thousands account holders
may leave liquid funds sitting in their Stormpay account.

What Stormpay does with our liquid funds in our accounts, know
one knows. It may be apparent that Stormpay may be quilty of
using account holder funds for other unkwond purposes.

Question remains behind the scenes with Stormpay, why
are many merchantile acconts been frozen.




bro
Latest Information Regarding Stormpay Situation
Friday, 03 February 2006

We've got some exciting news! NME leadership is finally taking a thirty minute break as I am forcing them to take a break for all their hard work trying to get everything back situated. We have some good news for all of our loyal members. To get all of the info, proceed by clicking on read more below.

Dear NME Members,

We have taken steps to engage in conversation via teleconferencing with the admins of 12dailypro, Alientrust, 11x11.biz, and Stormpay. We are offering these autosurfs possible short-term solutions to ensure their long term profitability. These solutions include financing and an NME payment processor option. We will keep you posted on our progress with theses admins.

We are sending a letter to Stormpay tomorrow. This letter will detail my displeasure with the way Stormpay has been conducting business this past week. Our attorney will be contributing to this letter and we will email all of our members a copy of the letter tomorrow.

We are weighing the pros and cons of launching our own product line/income streams for our members. We had originally planned to launch these items in the near future but recent developments have caused us to reevaluate this launch. If we believe it is in our members best interest, then we will lauch these progrmas and here is the best part: there will be a pre-launch period where all NME members will be able to position themselves in a very, very lucrative position.

If you have any questions, please listen to our nightly conference calls at 8 and 9 pm EST. The call-in number is 563-843-7000 and the PIN is 852341#.

It has been brought to my attention that an NME member feels like we are a part of these recent upheavels. Not only that, but we have been accused of "scamming" our members. All true NME members know that this is COMPLETELY UNTRUE. The entire NME staff is working around the clock for YOUR benefit. I have always said that NME is here to stay. Once again, your success is our success so please, if you do submit a ticket, let it be one of support for the NME staff. I am not letting them sleep until we resolve thses issues so they (and myself) could use your thoughts and prayers.

Your Partner in Success,

Jonathan Mikula
CEO, NME

I never heard of NME before. Their website is at
http://www.nmeglobal.com

From the site:

Quote:

What is NME?

New Millenium Entrepreneurs is a revolution in the home-based business industry. NME is a Christian based company that was formed to help ordinary people make extraordinary amounts of money from home. We are a group of successful online entrepreneurs and network marketers that have joined forces to share our secrets with the general public. We are not a HYIP, autosurf, or network marketing company. Rather, our business model is similar to largely successful models used by successful companies such as Ebay and Amazon. Much as they connect consumers to products, we simply connect our members to reliable, lucrative programs/income opportunities.


More....

Quote:

What Makes NME Different From Other Companies?

The leaders of NME have already achieved massive success in network marketing and online businesses. However, they saw thousands of people that could not achieve the results they desired. These people felt as if they were failures and would return to their full-time jobs and stressful lifestyles. The leaders of this company decided to put an end to this high failure rate through the implementation of their tried and true techniques. Scams have grown to fear NME while legitimate programs and companies have prospered through our support. We measure our success in the number of lives changed, not in dollar amounts.
spy2invest
QUOTE
Server not found

Firefox can't find the server at www.stormpay.com.


* Check the address for typing errors such as
ww.example.com instead of
www.example.com

* If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
connection.

* If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure
that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.
Goldmember
QUOTE(richville @ Feb 5 2006, 02:13 AM) [snapback]1108242[/snapback]

I dont' even know if this is good news or bad news anymore, but stormpay site is up for me


It's not up for me - are you sure it's up ??? post-36326-1110185726.gif post-36326-1110185726.gif
lopheaded
QUOTE(scaredykat @ Feb 4 2006, 08:15 PM) [snapback]1108264[/snapback]

Are you sure? I cant get anything at all from stormpay! Maybe you are viewing a cached copy?



same here
lcurthebest
QUOTE(SherZ @ Feb 4 2006, 04:52 PM) [snapback]1108108[/snapback]

I found a little Tid bit about SP/NetIBA that makes some interesting reading. I placed forum at:

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?showtopic=45696
SherZ


Is something very very interesting. furious.gif furious.gif furious.gif
kleefton
QUOTE(richville @ Feb 4 2006, 05:13 PM) [snapback]1108242[/snapback]

I dont' even know if this is good news or bad news anymore, but stormpay site is up for me


Really? and you can log in?

I haven't been able to access the site for about a couple of hours now post-36326-1110185726.gif
Meatwad
QUOTE(mariom123456 @ Feb 4 2006, 08:10 PM) [snapback]1108215[/snapback]

please please tell me about this from abc4 news
"Of all the emails and phone calls received by ABC4 News from angry 12 Daily Pro members, no one has come close to an explanation of how the program can provide a 44 percent return on membership investment. What may be more disturbing is the fact that some 12 Daily Pro members have actually told ABC4 News they "don't care" where the money comes from.

A call to the attorneys general in both North Carolina and Georgia confirm that they have active investigations into 12 Daily Pro."
I put bold the thing that is making me scare. sad.gif Do you think this will make govenment take action on all of HYIP and Autosurf industry? If catching the scammer then its ok, but if we investors get in trouble for investing then it willl be so much scary to think of!!!!!! post-69220-1110229459.gif


Well when you listen to the report its clear the only thing they are interested in is..."how do they do it"

Mr. Wizard at the chalk board doesn't help matters either.
qluc
QUOTE(TheMobileHookup @ Feb 4 2006, 08:11 PM) [snapback]1108226[/snapback]

If it's empty now (which there is no proof) then it was probably empty before.
I don't think they had an office.


There's a slight possibility that they moved out or escaped into wild dessert or white mountain already for a few years before things settled down before they come back with chunk of money and start over again.
fear2.gif hellno.gif
janice
QUOTE(madbob @ Feb 4 2006, 05:15 PM) [snapback]1108262[/snapback]

I've just heard a report from the brother of a former hyip owner that the stormpay building has been taken over by little green men from mars.....


OMG RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lil gren men gonna get ya! rofl4.gif rofl4.gif rofl4.gif
oh i like this one!! you made me laugh so hard i bite my tongue! rofl4.gif rofl4.gif rofl4.gif
lopheaded
QUOTE(Meatwad @ Feb 4 2006, 08:18 PM) [snapback]1108286[/snapback]

Well when you listen to the report its clear the only thing they are interested in is..."how do they do it"

Mr. Wizard at the chalk board doesn't help matters either.



thats funny
mariom123456
QUOTE(mariom123456 @ Feb 5 2006, 03:10 AM) [snapback]1108215[/snapback]

please please tell me about this from abc4 news
"Of all the emails and phone calls received by ABC4 News from angry 12 Daily Pro members, no one has come close to an explanation of how the program can provide a 44 percent return on membership investment. What may be more disturbing is the fact that some 12 Daily Pro members have actually told ABC4 News they "don't care" where the money comes from.

A call to the attorneys general in both North Carolina and Georgia confirm that they have active investigations into 12 Daily Pro."
I put bold the thing that is making me scare. sad.gif Do you think this will make govenment take action on all of HYIP and Autosurf industry? If catching the scammer then its ok, but if we investors get in trouble for investing then it willl be so much scary to think of!!!!!! post-69220-1110229459.gif


My question got lost.
Can someone tell me if investors are in danger because of this?

headystuff
Yes, the letter from the attorney is real. If you go to autosurfcentralcafe.com, under 12dp thread, there's also a gigantic civil lawsuit being prepared by member's father who is also an attorney. You can add your name if you like. clapping7.gif
anhonestliving
QUOTE(janice @ Feb 4 2006, 05:19 PM) [snapback]1108292[/snapback]

OMG RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lil gren men gonna get ya! rofl4.gif rofl4.gif rofl4.gif
oh i like this one!! you made me laugh so hard i bite my tongue! rofl4.gif rofl4.gif rofl4.gif


Hey! Not so much of the 'little', please. We surf 12dp from Mars too... furious.gif
mariom123456
QUOTE(Meatwad @ Feb 5 2006, 03:18 AM) [snapback]1108286[/snapback]

Well when you listen to the report its clear the only thing they are interested in is..."how do they do it"

Mr. Wizard at the chalk board doesn't help matters either.



Thanks for that. can i tell them that Stormpay is also bad.
grecia
QUOTE(nuk @ Feb 4 2006, 08:10 PM) [snapback]1108218[/snapback]

Do you believe everything you read on the internet?

NUK



If it's on the internet it has to be true........ Or on the news! doh.gif
TheMobileHookup
QUOTE(headystuff @ Feb 4 2006, 08:20 PM) [snapback]1108300[/snapback]

Yes, the letter from the attorney is real. If you go to autosurfcentralcafe.com, under 12dp thread, there's also a gigantic civil lawsuit being prepared by member's father who is also an attorney. You can add your name if you like. clapping7.gif

I'd never sign on for an autosurf fight against Stormpay. Both are going to lose something.
Autosurfs are not 100% legal in the US and Stormpay broke several rules.

I'd sign on for a lawsuit with the members of Stormpay who lost money to them for no reason and never got it back. Only $1000 they locked up from me over a year ago but I want my damned money or some satisfaction. 4.gif

But that "attorney" if he is really going to pursue something with this then he better know every loophole there is in the books.

Good luck.
headystuff
I think you'll find there are going to be many attorneys jumping on this. Power in numbers I always say.
mariom123456
QUOTE(TheMobileHookup @ Feb 5 2006, 03:24 AM) [snapback]1108319[/snapback]

I'd never sign on for an autosurf fight against Stormpay. Both are going to lose something.
Autosurfs are not 100% legal in the US and Stormpay broke several rules.

I'd sign on for a lawsuit with the members of Stormpay who lost money to them for no reason and never got it back. Only $1000 they locked up from me over a year ago but I want my damned money or some satisfaction. 4.gif

But that "attorney" if he is really going to pursue something with this then he better know every loophole there is in the books.

Good luck.


i see this diamond advertise in many senior people. am i missing something? can you please sended a pm about that because website doesnt explain lot.

thanks
lcurthebest
http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?showtopic=45696

this is interesting.
tman10
QUOTE(richville @ Feb 4 2006, 05:13 PM) [snapback]1108242[/snapback]

I dont' even know if this is good news or bad news anymore, but stormpay site is up for me


It cant be.Rumor has it,its on fire! post-69220-1110229459.gif
justthefacts
Hello to All,

This is my first post so please be gentle with me. I am a member of 12daily just like the rest of you. I also stand to lose 6k. I actually should now say, that I have lost the 6k, since in reality, we are never going to see this money. I have already written this money off as my first loss for 2006. I have read through many posts on quite a few forums and I still have several nagging questions about this whole fiasco.

I am a New Yorker born and raised and we are true skeptics by nature. The things that are nagging me are first and foremost, why did 12daily not serve Stormpay with an immediate cease and decist order the day Stormpay froze the account. If you have lawyers on retainer, that should have been the first course of action that was taken. This would have at least bought some time for 12daily.

The second thing that really bothers me is, why did Charis not get on a jet with her lawyer on monday or tuesday and go and talk in person to the owner of Stormpay. I know that if someone was holding millions of my dollars hostage. I would not be wasting time with telephone calls and Emails. This should have been handled in person.

Third, The news report that went out in Utah had no national coverage. This was simply an abc affiliate in butt **** Utah. This was not something that was picked up by abc news here in New York. You did not see this on CNN, this was not carried in any of the major newspapers. So the damage to the program from this was minimal. The thing that bothers me is, why charis did not attempt to make a statement to them and express her views.

Then last thing that bothers me is the way people are handling this. We have members calling the attorney general in tennessee, we have members reporting Stormpay to the FTC. I have seen posts where members are looking to go to the FBI internet fraud division. I even saw one post about the CIA lol. The only agency left out is the Secret Service who would probably be the right division of law enforcement to handle this or the justice dept. The thing everyone is failing to realise is if any of these agencys get involved, It would be years before anything is finalised. The end result would still be the same, we would end up with nothing. The other small matter is all of this could push Stormpay into Bankruptcy, if that happens the money will surely be gone. We all know the enron and worldcom outcomes.

I think the focus at this point should be, how do we help Charis rebuild the program, I think everyone needs to relax and take a deep breath. The only way this can be handled is legally, let the lawyers do their job and lets hope for the best.



LondonHoney
good effort for your long post but 12dp has got an attorney. a while back they had his address posted on the site instead of theirs. smile.gif


QUOTE(angel79 @ Feb 5 2006, 12:44 AM) [snapback]1108048[/snapback]

Okay ppl, now I'm admit I do not have much knowledge on the autoship world. I am a paraleagal by profession which means I work for an attorney. After reading numerous pages on this forum, my suspicion about this Charis lady started to arise. Now she claims that she in fact has legal representation., correct? Also she says that will accept donations to help with the legal fees, right? I have a serious doubts that she even has an attorney. And I going to show you why. Sit back and take notes you are going to have a class on:
Civil Procedure and Litigation

Legal Fee Agreements

When ever a prospective clients decide to retain a attorney, the attorney reviews the case and if he/she decides to represent the prospective client, the client will sign a contract agreeing to employ the attorney. Then both will reach agreement regarding how much the attorney will charge for his/her services. Preferably, the agreement is in writing in the form of a contract. After the legal fee has been agreed on, the new matter is set up in the computerized billing package by entering information including the client's name and address, the type of case it is , and the type of legal fee that has been agreed on.

Kinds of Legal Fee Agreements

Legal fees can be structured in many different ways.

1. Hourly rate fees- A fee for legal services that is billed to the client by the hour at an agreed-upon rate.
2. Contingency Fee- A fee collected if the attorney successfully represents the client, typically a percentage of the total recovery.
3. Flat Fee- A fee for legal services that is billed as a flat or fixed amount.( most used in a divorce, bankruptcy, wills, and trusts.)
4. Retainer Fees- The word retainer has several meanings in the legal environment. Generally, retainer fee are monies paid by the client at the beginning of a case or matter. However, there are many types of retainers. When a attorney or legal assistant uses the term retainer, it could mean a retainer for general representation, a case retainer, pure retainer, or a cash advance. In addition, all retainers fees are either earned or unearned.

I could expand more on retainer fees, but I chose not to. I just want to you all to have a little knowledge of the legal world. 80% of attoney charges their client a retainer fee and uses a hourly rate fee for their services. If you had heard the term billable hour, that comes from the hourly rate fee set in the Legal Fee Agreement. You can think a retainer as a deposit. It most benefical the to attorney to use the hourly rate fee, b/c most cases take 6 months to years. The attorney is going to want to be paid for every document drafted, every copy made, bascially anything and everying pertaining to the client's case. After the case is closed, then the client is responsible for all expenses that incurred in their case.

You may say,"Okay, I get it what's the point?" Here is the point if Charis had retain attorney before the fact, most likely their services was already set on a hourly rate fee. If Charis retained a attorney after the fact then most likely there is an retainer that she must pay, and also the hourly rate that she responsible for after the case closes. Either way there should be little to none out of pocket exspenses she will pay up front. I doubt that this Charis woman is broke, surely she has her own personal bank account that she can use for the retainer. And the hourly fee at the end can be paid in monthy installments. If a client can not pay, the attorney simply gets an attorney's lien.

All I'm saying is before you start donate money to this woman, it is best to find out more. I not saying that she is trying to scam any of you, only that maybe she never had an attorney in the first place. There is no reason why the attorney would her stop for making any public announments if her record is clean, he/she would advise her to do so. But if she has went into this with dirty hands it would be wise, if she did not say anything that could damage her case. When I heard that she would accept donations, something tells me that there is more going on that she is willing to tell. It's too early in the game to say who all is at fault, and there is too much information missing for ppl to give their complete trust and dedication to Charis, regardless how much money individuals earned.

Just a little food for thought, from my neck of the woods. I work in the legal environment and you have to look at things from all sides. Just because it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, doesn't always mean that it is in fact a duck.

bro
Latest Information Regarding Stormpay Situation
Friday, 03 February 2006

We've got some exciting news! NME leadership is finally taking a thirty minute break as I am forcing them to take a break for all their hard work trying to get everything back situated. We have some good news for all of our loyal members. To get all of the info, proceed by clicking on read more below.

Dear NME Members,

We have taken steps to engage in conversation via teleconferencing with the admins of 12dailypro, Alientrust, 11x11.biz, and Stormpay. We are offering these autosurfs possible short-term solutions to ensure their long term profitability. These solutions include financing and an NME payment processor option. We will keep you posted on our progress with theses admins.

We are sending a letter to Stormpay tomorrow. This letter will detail my displeasure with the way Stormpay has been conducting business this past week. Our attorney will be contributing to this letter and we will email all of our members a copy of the letter tomorrow.

We are weighing the pros and cons of launching our own product line/income streams for our members. We had originally planned to launch these items in the near future but recent developments have caused us to reevaluate this launch. If we believe it is in our members best interest, then we will lauch these progrmas and here is the best part: there will be a pre-launch period where all NME members will be able to position themselves in a very, very lucrative position.

If you have any questions, please listen to our nightly conference calls at 8 and 9 pm EST. The call-in number is 563-843-7000 and the PIN is 852341#.

It has been brought to my attention that an NME member feels like we are a part of these recent upheavels. Not only that, but we have been accused of "scamming" our members. All true NME members know that this is COMPLETELY UNTRUE. The entire NME staff is working around the clock for YOUR benefit. I have always said that NME is here to stay. Once again, your success is our success so please, if you do submit a ticket, let it be one of support for the NME staff. I am not letting them sleep until we resolve thses issues so they (and myself) could use your thoughts and prayers.

Your Partner in Success,

Jonathan Mikula
CEO, NME

I never heard of NME before. Their website is at
http://www.nmeglobal.com

From the site:

Quote:

What is NME?

New Millenium Entrepreneurs is a revolution in the home-based business industry. NME is a Christian based company that was formed to help ordinary people make extraordinary amounts of money from home. We are a group of successful online entrepreneurs and network marketers that have joined forces to share our secrets with the general public. We are not a HYIP, autosurf, or network marketing company. Rather, our business model is similar to largely successful models used by successful companies such as Ebay and Amazon. Much as they connect consumers to products, we simply connect our members to reliable, lucrative programs/income opportunities.


More....

Quote:

What Makes NME Different From Other Companies?

The leaders of NME have already achieved massive success in network marketing and online businesses. However, they saw thousands of people that could not achieve the results they desired. These people felt as if they were failures and would return to their full-time jobs and stressful lifestyles. The leaders of this company decided to put an end to this high failure rate through the implementation of their tried and true techniques. Scams have grown to fear NME while legitimate programs and companies have prospered through our support. We measure our success in the number of lives changed, not in dollar amounts.
kleefton
QUOTE(bro @ Feb 4 2006, 05:30 PM) [snapback]1108352[/snapback]

If you have any questions, please listen to our nightly conference calls at 8 and 9 pm EST. The call-in number is 563-843-7000 and the PIN is 852341#.





Good stuff.
mlb5000
I just spent 15 minutes on the phone with Michael Rose, and he sounds like a highly intelligent man who is willing to help. He is also an investor in 12dailypro and a user of Stormpay. Right now he neutral and feels that he cannot come to any conclusion as to blame for the recent events. There are things that 12dailypro did that were wrong, and things that Stormpay did that were wrong, but it seems to me that if anyone can help, this man can.
davidscript
QUOTE(mariom123456 @ Feb 4 2006, 05:10 PM) [snapback]1108215[/snapback]

please please tell me about this from abc4 news
"Of all the emails and phone calls received by ABC4 News from angry 12 Daily Pro members, no one has come close to an explanation of how the program can provide a 44 percent return on membership investment. What may be more disturbing is the fact that some 12 Daily Pro members have actually told ABC4 News they "don't care" where the money comes from.

A call to the attorneys general in both North Carolina and Georgia confirm that they have active investigations into 12 Daily Pro."
I put bold the thing that is making me scare. sad.gif Do you think this will make govenment take action on all of HYIP and Autosurf industry? If catching the scammer then its ok, but if we investors get in trouble for investing then it willl be so much scary to think of!!!!!! post-69220-1110229459.gif


People are idiots, I swear to god. That's right, get overly emotional, take matters into your own hands and censored2.gif everything up worse than it is, lol. If this industry crumbles this will be the reason why rolleyes.gif
Billy Felix
QUOTE(TheMobileHookup @ Feb 5 2006, 12:11 AM) [snapback]1108226[/snapback]

If it's empty now (which there is no proof) then it was probably empty before.
I don't think they had an office.


that is even worst!
headystuff
QUOTE(mlb5000 @ Feb 4 2006, 05:32 PM) [snapback]1108361[/snapback]

I just spent 15 minutes on the phone with Michael Rose, and he sounds like a highly intelligent man who is willing to help. He is also an investor in 12dailypro and a user of Stormpay. Right now he neutral and feels that he cannot come to any conclusion as to blame for the recent events. There are things that 12dailypro did that were wrong, and things that Stormpay did that were wrong, but it seems to me that if anyone can help, this man can.


Good for you for checking up on the facts! biggrin.gif
smallinvestor
QUOTE(mlb5000 @ Feb 4 2006, 05:32 PM) [snapback]1108361[/snapback]

I just spent 15 minutes on the phone with Michael Rose, and he sounds like a highly intelligent man who is willing to help. He is also an investor in 12dailypro and a user of Stormpay. Right now he neutral and feels that he cannot come to any conclusion as to blame for the recent events. There are things that 12dailypro did that were wrong, and things that Stormpay did that were wrong, but it seems to me that if anyone can help, this man can.



Who is Michael Rose??
ParanoiaPonzi
QUOTE(mlb5000 @ Feb 4 2006, 05:32 PM) [snapback]1108361[/snapback]

I just spent 15 minutes on the phone with Michael Rose, and he sounds like a highly intelligent man who is willing to help. He is also an investor in 12dailypro and a user of Stormpay. Right now he neutral and feels that he cannot come to any conclusion as to blame for the recent events. There are things that 12dailypro did that were wrong, and things that Stormpay did that were wrong, but it seems to me that if anyone can help, this man can.



umm... who is Michael Rose and how can he help?
nuk
QUOTE(mlb5000 @ Feb 4 2006, 08:14 PM) [snapback]1108248[/snapback]

so is this guy for real? or is he looking to incriminate people. i'd like some more information about this guy.


If he is truly an attorney, he is seriously risking getting debarred. He openly admits to being a member of what is a ponzi scheme and can't just plead ignorance of the law tongue4.gif Sounds like BS, ESQ.
NUK
scaredykat
QUOTE(justthefacts @ Feb 4 2006, 08:29 PM) [snapback]1108345[/snapback]

Hello to All,


Third, The news report that went out in Utah had no national coverage. This was simply an abc affiliate in butt **** Utah. This was not something that was picked up by abc news here in New York. You did not see this on CNN, this was not carried in any of the major newspapers. So the damage to the program from this was minimal. The thing that bothers me is, why charis did not attempt to make a statement to them and express her views.



This was a local Utah report but it has worldwide coverage on the internet. Even Stormpay was using the abc4 link in thier responses to members today! It doesnt matter where teh report was from, it was wrong, and thier references are incomplete and incorrect and that is not acceptible of any news source anywhere!

The BYU article was hysterical. I am a college student and If I were to write something like that it would come back with an F and would never be published online for anyone to read with no facts checked, statements made about 12dp site saying it was in singapore, words misspelled, seriously people need to be accountable for what they tell the public. if they are going to say something damaging to somone they better darn sure have thier facts straight or at least verifiable! It looks like this ABC affiliate ran with the students story and got overly excited and forgot to do any real investigative reporting!
headystuff
QUOTE(headystuff @ Feb 4 2006, 05:11 PM) [snapback]1108228[/snapback]

Just in:




MICHAEL T. ROSE, Esq.





409 Central Avenue

Summerville, S.C. 29483

mrose5@sc.rr.com



February 04, 2006



Life Clicks LLC

8116 South Tryon Street

Suite B3, #15 Fax 1-866-308-0133

Charlotte, NC 28273





Dear Sir or Madamn:



I am an attorney who represents myself and other members of 12 Daily Pro in South Carolina.

Please see http://www.martindale.com search “Michael Rose” in “Summerville, SC”.



I am writing to offer free legal services by my law firm regarding the withholding of money from 12 Daily Pro members due to issues with Storm Pay. I would like to work with the attorney you already have.



Please have your attorney contact me, or inform me how I can contact your attorney, immediately, so I can discuss how we might work together.



Thank you for your assistance and consideration.



Sincerely,





Michael T. Rose, Esq.

843-871-1821

843-875-6856

843-478-7595 cell


heatherphipps2
QUOTE(madbob @ Feb 4 2006, 08:15 PM) [snapback]1108262[/snapback]

I've just heard a report from the brother of a former hyip owner that the stormpay building has been taken over by little green men from mars.....

rofl4.gif rofl4.gif rofl4.gif rofl4.gif rofl4.gif
TheMobileHookup
Headystuff, please stop spamming, it was seen the first time.

Bro that goes for you too.
qluc
QUOTE(justthefacts @ Feb 4 2006, 08:29 PM) [snapback]1108345[/snapback]

Hello to All,

This is my first post so please be gentle with me. I am a member of 12daily just like the rest of you. I also stand to lose 6k. I actually should now say, that I have lost the 6k, since in reality, we are never going to see this money. I have already written this money off as my first loss for 2006. I have read through many posts on quite a few forums and I still have several nagging questions about this whole fiasco.

I am a New Yorker born and raised and we are true skeptics by nature. The things that are nagging me are first and foremost, why did 12daily not serve Stormpay with an immediate cease and decist order the day Stormpay froze the account. If you have lawyers on retainer, that should have been the first course of action that was taken. This would have at least bought some time for 12daily.

The second thing that really bothers me is, why did Charis not get on a jet with her lawyer on monday or tuesday and go and talk in person to the owner of Stormpay. I know that if someone was holding millions of my dollars hostage. I would not be wasting time with telephone calls and Emails. This should have been handled in person.

Third, The news report that went out in Utah had no national coverage. This was simply an abc affiliate in butt **** Utah. This was not something that was picked up by abc news here in New York. You did not see this on CNN, this was not carried in any of the major newspapers. So the damage to the program from this was minimal. The thing that bothers me is, why charis did not attempt to make a statement to them and express her views.

Then last thing that bothers me is the way people are handling this. We have members calling the attorney general in tennessee, we have members reporting Stormpay to the FTC. I have seen posts where members are looking to go to the FBI internet fraud division. I even saw one post about the CIA lol. The only agency left out is the Secret Service who would probably be the right division of law enforcement to handle this or the justice dept. The thing everyone is failing to realise is if any of these agencys get involved, It would be years before anything is finalised. The end result would still be the same, we would end up with nothing. The other small matter is all of this could push Stormpay into Bankruptcy, if that happens the money will surely be gone. We all know the enron and worldcom outcomes.

I think the focus at this point should be, how do we help Charis rebuild the program, I think everyone needs to relax and take a deep breath. The only way this can be handled is legally, let the lawyers do their job and lets hope for the best.


is there a chance that we are seeing our money again or at least a refund?
why people are so in low hope now?
grecia
QUOTE(mlb5000 @ Feb 4 2006, 08:32 PM) [snapback]1108361[/snapback]

I just spent 15 minutes on the phone with Michael Rose, and he sounds like a highly intelligent man who is willing to help. He is also an investor in 12dailypro and a user of Stormpay. Right now he neutral and feels that he cannot come to any conclusion as to blame for the recent events. There are things that 12dailypro did that were wrong, and things that Stormpay did that were wrong, but it seems to me that if anyone can help, this man can.



I don't know who Michael Rose is but I don't think an attorney would admit to being in a ponzi.
lcurthebest
QUOTE(headystuff @ Feb 4 2006, 05:36 PM) [snapback]1108395[/snapback]

Good for you for checking up on the facts! biggrin.gif


Sorry, but who is Michael Rose?
mlb5000
QUOTE(nuk @ Feb 4 2006, 08:37 PM) [snapback]1108407[/snapback]

If he is truly an attorney, he is seriously risking getting debarred. He openly admits to being a member of what is a ponzi scheme and can't just plead ignorance of the law tongue4.gif Sounds like BS, ESQ.
NUK


Private Practice Lawyer Profile for Michael T. Rose

Michael T. Rose
Member
Michael T. Rose
409 Central Avenue
Summerville, South Carolina 29483
(Berkeley, Charleston & Dorchester Cos.)

Telephone: 843-871-1821
Fax: 843-875-6856
Email: Send an Email


AV Peer Review Rated


Practice Areas: Business; Litigation; General Civil Practice

Admitted: 1973, Pennsylvania; 1975, California; 1978, Minnesota; 1981, Colorado; 1983, South Carolina

Law School: University of Denver College of Law; New York University School of Law, J.D., 1973

College: Marion Military Institute; United States Air Force Academy, B.S., 1969; Harvard Business School, M.B.A., 1981

Member: South Carolina Bar.

Biography: Member, New York University Law Review, 1972-1973. Member, South Carolina Senate 1988-1997.

Military: Ret., U.S. Air Force Reserve

Born: Charleston, South Carolina, October 13, 1947

ISLN: 902025972

LexisNexis Analyzer


thats his record. Marion Military Institute, USAFA, Harvard. Holy **** this guy is stacked. AND the phone number is the one I just called, so it's legitimate. I think you need to check your facts a little better before posting such negative comments on the boards. I would ignore you but I feel that everyone deserves to have their opinion heard.
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