So now that there is no PP for 12DP what are we suppose to do now. New to the game how are we to get back the money we invested. I really like investing nline and making money. What are some options. should I switch to e-gold and continue making money that way. Please advise I'm new at this

Does anyone have any helpful information on how to request a refund against Stormpay through Visa/MC?[color=#009900]

I'm new like you and I think it's time to cut your losses. So the money you invested is gone and never to return. If it does, great. But chances are it won't.

For sure, the IRS will be all over this. Most of these programs dont have last names but they have email addresses and can trace ip addresses

StormPay's back up.. take all of your printscreens while you can.

I just got mine today 2 and guess what stormpay stay up just long enough for me to see that I was verified.....bu then promptly shu down!!! what to do what to do ? Wait it out? Well we have 30 days for debit and 60 days for cc to do a chargeback......we should use that to our advantage.....i mean we dont want stormpay to scorn us in the event everything gets handled CHoices Choices

Darn right you should, there are other sites that don't take Scampay. If anyone thinks autosurfing is going to go belly up....nah, it's not going to happen. Besides, there are sites that aren't even in the USA so no way for the big bad fed to even care. Just don't spend money that you need to live on.

Does that mean that since I have mostly gone in the hole the last two weeks I can claim a loss on my taxes as a home business owner?

Charis and the mods on 12dp's forum have advised against requesting a refund/ charge back etc....

I just had my 12DP expire today worth $3K.....I am hoping that they are able to get all this sorted out. In the meantime, I am just waiting for them to change their pay people so that I can invest more again.....This site and Rock and Roll are my favorite!

all my SP funds are in 12dp atm hope nothing will happen and SP gets their act back together... i mean doesnt SP get enough money from the fees..?

Are you insane? I think a bunch of people have already filed claims with their CC companies!@!@!@! I'm just trying to figure what or how to request it properly? damn stormpay!

exactly.... theyve been making good money off autosurfs... theres gotta be a reason for these abrupt suspensions. its gotta be some government authority pressuring them... or else why try to fix something thats been working so great...

BOYCOTT SP
Well, I've seen enough

ing SP has screwed everything up

But I will tell you what started most of it

HYIP scams, promising huge returns, going bust, then winy ass losers that lost money filing claims.

What do you think is going to happen moron, it's going to open a can of worms for the poeple who took the "GAMBLE" some won some lost, oh well.

I lost money in a couple, made money in a couple. I have to say, yeah I came out behind, but I'm not going to go running to the nearest cop whining they took my lunch money.

As far as 12DP, I'm going to consider my money gone, or at least untill I see a payment received

Most of us know the risks, right? Or do some of us actually beleive that these sites will last forever, and continue to pay big money. Even if they do invest our money in something else, don't you think there would be REAL investors making crazy amounts of money. Wall street would be a CASH COW!!!

So, lets pick up our toys and go home, get ready to play another day.

Mike n Deb
admin@crazycash4all.com
yes, I own a Randomizer-ironic isn't it.
I have a thread going on that in money cyclers
I will be removing SP from my site too.

That can't be true or else Scampay would have just ceased, like with what happened at egold those three days. This was an orchestrated maneuver...flat out. First, they want to be the ONLY processor. So everyone jumps hoops to make them that. As soon as that happened with ALL the money from the biggest player....THE BIG FREEZE. They're dirty and always have been.

By the way, how mant of you SP users got this email today?

Dear StormPay Member,

Please read this news update as it contains important information concerning your StormPay account as well as spends from your account to the "Auto-Surf" industry.

Traditionally "auto-surf" is a "traffic exchange" industry as to where persons gain traffic credits for promoting their URL (website address) in exchange for viewing websites offered by others. Any monies taken in on these types of "traffic exchanges" are normally for upgrades to have your URL (website) shown at a higher rate of exposure. For an example of how a true auto-surf works, you can visit www.autohits.dk or other sites comparable.

"Paid to click", or "Paid to Read" types of sites are normally where an advertiser pays to have his/her ad displayed and the end user gets paid a portion of the advertiser dollars for clicking on and reading/viewing the ad. The end user who is being paid for reading/viewing the advertisement does not spend any monies to participate. An example of this type of service is StormPay's own "StormClix" where participants are not charged to view advertisements and are rewarded an account credit for viewing the advertisement.

It has recently been brought to the attention of StormPay Inc. that the current rash of new Auto-Surf and Paid to Read accounts are NOT operating in the traditional manner. Further investigation by both StormPay and other outside investigational organizations/law enforcement agencies have have drawn early conclusions that these types of programs are nothing more than well hidden "Ponzi" or "Pyramid" schemes. While many of you may not agree, or wish to agree that these programs or illegally operated ponzi's, there are many facts that that are unavailable to you, or that may have been hidden by the operators of these programs. Please note that StormPay's user agreement has always banned merchant accounts for these types of activities.

Throughout the investigations into these programs, StormPay has asked the "Merchant(s)" to provide a detailed explanation of the workings of these programs including how profit margins and customer payments are made. These questions were asked point blank by StormPay while on a conference call with the owner/operator and their attorney. The requests for information from the "merchant" were simply denied leaving StormPay no choice other than to report those findings to the other organizations who required the information from StormPay. These findings and reports caused the seizure of funds of the merchant(s) StormPay accounts until all legal matters are resolved. Please be reminded that this could have been avoided if the merchant(s) could have, or would have provided information proving no illegal pyramid or ponzi activity.

Furthermore, investigations and calculations show that these merchants were already at an "upside down" point where they are/were not able to meet the financial obligations made to their program participants. These merchants who were already failing to make good on their claims seem to now be using StormPay as their "Scape Goat" for the failure of their own pyramid or ponzi scheme. These programs are always doomed to failure and for that very reason, deemed illegal. Please site the following from StormPay's user agreement:

"17. Get Rich Quick" Schemes: Get Rich Quick Schemes are prohibited resell items by StormPay. Get Rich Quick schemes include any type of self-employment, start-up businesses, or investment opportunity where the claims of profit or returns on investment are unrealistic or unsupported. By law, if a business opportunity costs $500.00 USD or more, the promoter is required to support any claims regarding earnings or profits with written documentation.

Pyramids don't pay. StormPay Inc. and the Federal Trade Commission caution consumers about clubs or programs that promise quick money for recruiting new members. Don't bank on the pyramid promise that someone else will pay you. For more information on get-rich-quick schemes, visit the FTC at www.ftc.gov."

We know that the most prominent question in your mind is "What happens to the money I sent these programs?" Answer: At the moment any funds frozens in these merchant's accounts are frozen and not payable until all investigations are completed. At such time investigations are completed, any remaining funds will be released to the merchant's, or refunded to the purchasers, based on the outcome of the investigations. Please be aware if determination is made that these are ponzi schemes, a great deal of the funds received by these merchant's will have been used to pay obligations to those who joined earlier into the programs. In other words, they will have used your money to pay other members thus creating a deficit of funds needed to refund all users. Please be patient while investigators decide the best procedures for handling this serious situation. Contacting your credit issuers or banks requesting chargebacks only compounds the problems for all involved, including the merch! ants and their customers, and delays returns of any funds. These actions could also be punishable by law.


StormPay will keep you updated of developments as information is available and allowed to be released.

StormPay Inc.


Tell me this isn't bunch of

They still paying to EMO or these payments are stopped for this problem with SP?

u know what ? now i'm glad stormpay don't accept my country

yeah, and the cheques which were/are bouncing? what about them? interesting...

You want the dispute dept.---since your money from your cc has already been paid to SP. I just did this tonight....and tell them that you want to dispute all charges (that you didn't make a profit on) against SP. Then all you can do is wait...

that fraud. felony. anyway if you get caught lying your gonna get alot of jail time. Good luck though.

where u from?

your sig makes me LOL :DDDDDD

Yes, that is what I am doing next year!!!!!!!

i can't access stormpay website...

yea,scam pay alright...consider my money is gone here...

lost few thousands

guess have to start from scratch again

Stormpay is online now (((((((< _ >)))))))

how is it fraud? you're not lying, stormpay is the one who defrauded all of us.

How am I lying?? I invested my money into these programs and just want it back. If I don't, oh well, life goes on...

http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=36141

12dp second news on ABC 4 !!!!!!!!!!!!!

not sure why i can't play the news

what is steve going to knock on my door??

Doesn't seem to work with Firefox, use Internet Explorer !!!

i got two refund in sp but only the payment that i made start 1feb. but i have to wait until 7days to confirm with my cc wether the payment are confirm cancel or not.......

NO, what started it was greed on the part of the HYIPs. They could not resist going after all that gold represented by Stormpay customers, and Stormpay rules allow the filing of claims. If HYIPs or autosurfs don't want claims filed, then they should not use Stormpay. And if all the apologists for scam programs and flamers who keep bellyaching about people exercising their rights don't like it, then they have an easy solution too: don't join programs that use Stormpay. If you do join them, you have no right to gripe about someone doing what the rules allow them to do. Almost all the rules are stacked against the investors to begin with.

HYIPs that got greedy for the Stormpay money and turned out to be scammers deserve to have claims filed (and much worse). Why defend those who go in with a fake script about a team of financial experts and forex and blah blah blah, when they are really just a one man show that plans to eventually fold and take some people's money from day one?

One thing claims can do - they can prevent a scammer from getting all of the money out of the account. And, Stormpay. One thing the do-not-file-claims beggers ("trust Admin, nice Admin, Admion honest, bend over Admin," smmooooch!) and the flamers ("whiney @ssed claim filers will ruin everything") do is buy time for crooked Admin to stuff more of our money in their pockets on the way out the door.

Was it me... or did the picture they showed of Charis look like a MUG SHOT!!


I never realized Charis was african-american

and again it said NOTHING. i wish they would get the WHOLE FREAKING STORY. i dont know why I even chose to watch this...

What are you dumb? What kinda name did you think CHARIS JOHNSON was? Especially Charis FAY Johnson

Part of me wants to know how you even pronounced her name, cause i bet its funny.. CHA REESE

Dude, that was a joke! Relax..

Wow so whose fault is this?In my opionion it is stormpays fault.They changed the policy so autosurfs can only use stormpay then they freeze all the autosurf accounts...Seems kind of planned.

http://www.abc4.com/local_news/story.aspx?...0A-94B2F2375B65

Look at it from Stormpays side. Get all these HYIPS and Autosurfs using Stormpay then freeze the accounts for 180 days. How many millions will they have sitting in a bank account for 6 months? ITs a WIN-WIN for SP.

it shouldn't matter, and i'm sure you didn't mean for it to come across as such. again with the BIAS. it did look like a mug shot...even the shirt she was wearing did that. anyone who has ever taking a class on rhetoric can easily pick that out. they depict the dean at BYU to be a cute little old man, and Charis to be a criminal.

Does it matter?

stormpay sent me an email telling me that i receive a refund but when i check my sp account,it's -$0.00

^&^@&*#&*@&^@&#@^&*

12daily pro was working fine until stormpay did all of this, think about 1 week ago, everything is fine and everyone happy

No I didn't mean for it to come out as such. What I mean was that it seems that this channel seem to think that only "certain type" of people are classy while the other type is nothing but criminals..

Nope. Not seeing any post being paid to EMO today. It stopped on Jan 9th pending.

I have been reading many forums and information from admins and they are all shocked. NONE of them received any sort of email requesting that they prove other income sorces. 12dp does not fit the mold of the ponzi. Go do some internet research about what a ponzi actually is.
This is a lie from SP. The fact that the policy change where they had to only accept 1 payment processor was in effect as of the 30th, yet no notice was given to the admins or anyone else until the 31st. (WAKE UP!!!)
And all of the AS that had accounts frozen followed SP policy the day the learned of it, and they were still frozen. S P has a history of freezing accounts for no good reason what-so-ever. They do not refund, so claims should not have ever even been an option, ezcept for their auctions. (ANyone ever sold anything on their free auctions? Just wondering!)
12dp files taxes, has a staff, has a contact phone number,. has an address. They are legit.
SP has already had runins with the law for illegal activities. They do not have a business number (also illegal for this type of business) And many think now that they do not have the correct licences to be conducting these types of financil transactions.!
HUMMM I wonder who will win?

of course it was planned.

1) Stormpay makes all autosurfs and HYIPs use JUST Stormpay or have their accounts frozen.
2) These programs comply COMPLETELY to their TOS
3) They make their little appendment to their TOS yesterday, or today, or whenever it happened. At any rate, Stormpay used an entrapment technique to find a reason to freeze the accounts.

I can not get the sound to work.