so is stormpay not only closing accounts of sites with more then one processor, we are a brand new autosurf site, that is sp only and our account has been closed. anyone know if it happening to all autosurf sites and hyips? no we were not informed either. Just closed account it says. Ok so if this is just about one processor, then we did not break there rules.
seem to be rejecting clix ads for sites as well......plus there discussion board keeps going down so no information there either.............
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QUOTE Speaking of Talkgold and Ponzi Nemesis -- I found on the 12dp forum the link of the blog that Charis made in response to the latest fiasco that TG and TG admin Brian did regarding Charis and her account on TG. www.talkgoldnemesis.com Its confirmed that Charis owns that blog. What exactly did I do to Charis? Not remove the 1200 posts she begged me to which were people's opinions that her program was a ponzi? I can't just go around deleting any posts in which the admins of the programs don't like. That would ruin the entire purpose of talkgold.com which is to allow members to discuss the positives and negatives about programs and come to their own conclusion if its a rational investing decision or not. Sincerely Brian QUOTE(uplinkhack @ Feb 2 2006, 11:39 AM) [snapback]1082936[/snapback] greed   Yeah but if they force everyone to shut down then they wont make any money.
it's interesting that Stormpay secured ALL members of the autosurf industry after their little announcement the other day, and then cuts the entire industry down at the knees.....
i've heard of HYIPs and Autosurfs running.......but an entire payment processor?
hey guys...check your SP accounts. I don't see the term change in the news anymore
Stormpay is not doing this. No company would do it, cause it would just be
 stupid. Whats probably happening is the FBI, or IRS or whatever is investigating this business. Probably thanks to all the HYIP scams thats been taking place. If so they will notice 12dp and other autosurfs are clean and things will eventually get back to normal.Thats my guess.
my computer clock says 0342hrs...shld i go to bed?
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wow, just wow. i am sure this will all be sorted out in a day or so. i dont think its appropriate to shout doom and gloom yet. give it a day or so... QUOTE(Pepper'n'Spice @ Feb 2 2006, 02:34 PM) [snapback]1082872[/snapback] Interesting. Only a few short weeks ago Stormpay was Charis Johnson's champion. I wonder what happened to the relationship between then and now.  I have a guess at one of the things, which I'm sure there is many....three lil letters.... E...M.....O...... Stormpay's response: Awww no! 12DP is my cash cow...*must find way...to things up...*Which brings us to today... Hoping everyone will try to remain calm and follow Charis' lead. She's kept the members pretty well informed of what is going on. Hoping members won't doing anything to further inflame the tenuous situation between 12DP and Stormtrooper, I mean Stormpay. QUOTE(nanny @ Feb 2 2006, 11:39 AM) [snapback]1082952[/snapback] So Mr. Gupta how does it feel to be in a situation where all your money turns into virtual money a mirage. Till the other day you were happy scoffing at members using EMo/Egold who were waiting for their payment. So what shud the others do now???? But we are not so inhuman to laugh at your predicament at this junture.Hope this crisis enables you in becoming a better human being who realises the pain and suffering of others Nanny listen u watever nanny, i dint laff at no one , i was fitin with trolls,add me on my yahoo and come there if u wanna argue , id is there in my profile !! QUOTE(ar0use @ Feb 2 2006, 01:42 PM) [snapback]1082980[/snapback] hey guys...check your SP accounts. I don't see the term change in the news anymore I can't log into sp. What was the term change you are talking about? And you are saying it is gone now?
wow... mmg and talk gold went down for me for about 10 minutes. GAY.
QUOTE(cbz @ Feb 2 2006, 11:42 AM) [snapback]1082984[/snapback] Stormpay is not doing this. No company would do it, cause it would just be stupid. Whats probably happening is the FBI, or IRS or whatever is investigating this business. Probably thanks to all the HYIP scams thats been taking place. If so they will notice 12dp and other autosurfs are clean and things will eventually get back to normal.Thats my guess. Thats what I think too. QUOTE(mike30 @ Feb 2 2006, 02:17 PM) [snapback]1082670[/snapback] Stormpay is a bunch of f-- a--. They better get their sh-- together fast because after Charis is through with them they would be better off if they ran into Jack Bauer.  NOW THAT WAS SOME FUNNY T!
QUOTE(tcy @ Feb 2 2006, 11:44 AM) [snapback]1083007[/snapback] I can't log into sp. What was the term change you are talking about? And you are saying it is gone now? yes that is what he is saying.  Blast it!Nothing good on the TV! ...so it's back to the thread  QUOTE(edbri871 @ Feb 2 2006, 11:42 AM) [snapback]1082975[/snapback] What exactly did I do to Charis? Not remove the 1200 posts she begged me to which were people's opinions that her program was a ponzi? I can't just go around deleting any posts in which the admins of the programs don't like. That would ruin the entire purpose of talkgold.com which is to allow members to discuss the positives and negatives about programs and come to their own conclusion if its a rational investing decision or not. Sincerely Brian Wow you're here Well, there are always 2 sides to a story.
A crisis between SP & 12DP: An Analysis
I am providing you with this analysis of the current 12dp - SP crisis and would like to know your opinion. This is pure speculation and may be wrong, just an attempt to bring something to you all. I think I understand the problem. Here's the 123 that I think is going on. Please correct me if I am wrong: 1- 12dp admin did not expect that such a large number of memebrs would prefer EMO as their payment processor rather than SP (probably because of lower fees). 2- Because 12dp put similar amounts of money into both SP and EMO, a lot of loyal E-gold people decided to use EMO and not SP, so they 12dp needed to transfer a huge amount from their SP account to EMO 3- SP turned unhappy by this development and demanded that SP be the sole processor to continue working with 12dp. 4- 12dp could not withdraw amounts from its SP account due to one of two reasons (SP doesn't want EMO to get the funds or SP isn't able to give that much money in one shot) 5- 12dp filed complaints and is considering legal action against SP, which could potentially result in fear among SP users. But 12dp still doesn't want this to happen because this would scare the hell out of SP users who may want to file a chargeback, putting 12dp into possible danger. 6- 12dp is working very hard to get another site running using EMO (possibly exclusvely) and will be promoting this site from now on and use the convention in late Feb for this reason. 7- SP is realizing that this could damage its largest ever customer (12dp) and could lead to gradual disconnection of 12dp so it would pressurize 12dp to stay by withholding funds and requesting to stay the only payment processor. The truth is that 12dp has become larger than SP and any potential conflict between the two could damage the reputation of SP, and may indeed bring some spotlight to EMO. I believe this is more of payment processor struggle betweem SP and EMO rather than between 12dp & SP. In fact the upcoming move of 12dp in launching a new website with EMO as its processor, will be a great boost to EMO over SP because 12dp is by far -without doubt- the most popular autosurf/hyip program in the web, and having a sole processor will bring this processor a great advantage. That's my opinion, I do have pending payments like many of you guys and I hope this would result in a peaceful end securing the funds/and earnings of all of us...
QUOTE(mlb5000 @ Feb 2 2006, 08:42 PM) [snapback]1082977[/snapback] it's interesting that Stormpay secured ALL members of the autosurf industry after their little announcement the other day, and then cuts the entire industry down at the knees..... i've heard of HYIPs and Autosurfs running.......but an entire payment processor? Stormpay is huge, almost as big as PayPal. They wont "run" like the small time HYIP scams ran by azn kids. Whatever is happening, I think it will be solved.
I think that if Stormpay froze the account anyway after Charis complied with thier demands then she should go ahead and put e-gold and EMO back on the site. Piss on em.
QUOTE(cbz @ Feb 2 2006, 11:42 AM) [snapback]1082984[/snapback] Stormpay is not doing this. No company would do it, cause it would just be stupid. Whats probably happening is the FBI, or IRS or whatever is investigating this business. Probably thanks to all the HYIP scams thats been taking place. If so they will notice 12dp and other autosurfs are clean and things will eventually get back to normal.Thats my guess. A sound opinion. I think you are on the right track. QUOTE(mlb5000 @ Feb 2 2006, 02:39 PM) [snapback]1082938[/snapback] Stormpay removed that BS about "referral based sites" from their news section. I wonder what's going on? Stormpay moved it to their user agreement section. I believe it was item number 28 QUOTE(cbz @ Feb 2 2006, 01:42 PM) [snapback]1082984[/snapback] Stormpay is not doing this. No company would do it, cause it would just be stupid. Whats probably happening is the FBI, or IRS or whatever is investigating this business. Probably thanks to all the HYIP scams thats been taking place. If so they will notice 12dp and other autosurfs are clean and things will eventually get back to normal.Thats my guess. This is the beginning of the end for Stormpay unless they do something real quick. If it is not them doing this than they must make it known. And from what I understand Stormpay is not even replying to emails/phone calls from the Merchants in question ie. 12DP and others.
from talkgold thread:
QUOTE I'm usually one of the few people stuck in the middle between PN and the booleaders and the go-go-12dp cheerleaders here, but I did find out something interesting yesterday which I thought you all should know.
One of my good friends here in Connecticut runs a fairly large hosting company. He knows that I play with the autosurfs and HYIPs a bit, and he provides hosting for several autosurfing companies... he doesn't exactly approve of me putting money in them, but that's another matter. He mentioned the other day that he recently got a cease-and-desist letter from the FBI demanding that he cancel the hosting agreement for one of his clients, LifeClicks LLC. Evidently, they had been using his company to send out millions of spam emails in violation of the federal CAN-SPAM act. My friend complied, deleting LifeClicks' account. This is the first time he's had any complaints (legal or otherwise) about providing hosting to autosurfs, so he figured he'd tell me about it. That's all I know. Make what you will out of it.
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 I hope 12DP doesn't die
QUOTE(tcy @ Feb 2 2006, 09:44 PM) [snapback]1083007[/snapback] I can't log into sp. What was the term change you are talking about? And you are saying it is gone now? The whole no other payment processors accepted clause. QUOTE(dbaker20 @ Feb 2 2006, 11:47 AM) [snapback]1083053[/snapback] Stormpay moved it to their user agreement section. I believe it was item number 28 yea, they figured they'd hide it a little better from public.
Hey perhaps, Stormpay was having to prepare for some sort of audit from the big boys and had to look clean...didn't want all those transactions to have to explain. Perhaps the CEO of e-gold wanted to share the wealth and suggested that the feds check Stormpay out so they could become the leaders in the AS/HYIP industry. Maybe Stormpay is currently being robbed and we just don't know it! Maybe it isn't Stormpay at all..."think outside the box" Just kidding...wanted to try and lighten the mood. I tried a wine cooler but it didn't work...may need something heavier than that. I have about 10k locked up in AS and Stormpay...
QUOTE($ B-Rad $ @ Feb 2 2006, 11:49 AM) [snapback]1083081[/snapback] 383 users are browsing this thread. I hope 12DP doesn't dieactually, we're just 9 away from 400 when I checked!  but have faith in Charis! she has done well for us in the past, and I have confidence she will make it through this problem as well. QUOTE(gauranggupta @ Feb 3 2006, 02:14 AM) [snapback]1083004[/snapback] listen u watever nanny, i dint laff at no one , i was fitin with trolls,add me on my yahoo and come there if u wanna argue , id is there in my profile !! I don't wanna waste my precious time arguing with you du:censor: ed. I have more improtant jobs to do ha...... QUOTE(goauld @ Feb 3 2006, 03:28 AM) [snapback]1082807[/snapback]  24 ROCKS! :-)   what the h**c is that? QUOTE(nanny @ Feb 3 2006, 02:39 AM) [snapback]1082952[/snapback] So Mr. Gupta how does it feel to be in a situation where all your money turns into virtual money a mirage. Till the other day you were happy scoffing at members using EMo/Egold who were waiting for their payment. So what shud the others do now???? But we are not so inhuman to laugh at your predicament at this junture.Hope this crisis enables you in becoming a better human being who realises the pain and suffering of others Nanny You are correct Nanny. Right now,hope all member prey to GOD to help us all. Because if SP really run with 12DP money,member who use EMO will receive problem as well too.  Just hope 12DP can survive,if SP stole all the money 12DP at there. 
24 / 2 rocks!
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I can log into SP anytime I want (and I'm from the other part of the world - Malta). This is what I'm finding fishy:
1. Cards are not in their hand.. they need another week and a half.. no explanations given, noone blamed for the delay; 2. In the news they (SP) had admitted the thing about multiple processors... a couple of hours ago it has been removed; 3. Stormclix was in maintenance mode few hours ago, it turned back on a couple of mins ago.. Now it's back in maintenance mode. However, at the end of the day we're just speculating. I'm as angry as you are guys as i had a good portion of my saved money in it and 12dp. We can just trust in Charis negotiating and informing us with every update. Just my 2c
No... guys listen,
StormPay can't just KEEP Charis Johnson's money... It doesn't work like that. She'll eventually get it back. QUOTE(Crow @ Feb 2 2006, 11:53 AM) [snapback]1083131[/snapback] I can log into SP anytime I want (and I'm from the other part of the world - Malta). This is what I'm finding fishy: 1. Cards are not in their hand.. they need another week and a half.. no explanations given, noone blamed for the delay; 2. In the news they (SP) had admitted the thing about multiple processors... a couple of hours ago it has been removed; 3. Stormclix was in maintenance mode few hours ago, it turned back on a couple of mins ago.. Now it's back in maintenance mode. However, at the end of the day we're just speculating. I'm as angry as you are guys as i had a good portion of my saved money in it and 12dp. We can just trust in Charis negotiating and informing us with every update. Just my 2c yea, I think StormPay is to blame for this mess. QUOTE(Surfen @ Feb 2 2006, 08:48 PM) [snapback]1083070[/snapback] This is the beginning of the end for Stormpay unless they do something real quick. If it is not them doing this than they must make it known. And from what I understand Stormpay is not even replying to emails/phone calls from the Merchants in question ie. 12DP and others. Its not even been 24 hours yet. Also if they are under investigation what good would it be to annouce it? People would panic. QUOTE(Writergurl @ Feb 2 2006, 11:43 AM) [snapback]1083002[/snapback] I have a guess at one of the things, which I'm sure there is many....three lil letters.... E...M.....O...... Stormpay's response: Awww no! 12DP is my cash cow...*must find way...to things up...*Which brings us to today... Hoping everyone will try to remain calm and follow Charis' lead. She's kept the members pretty well informed of what is going on. Hoping members won't doing anything to further inflame the tenuous situation between 12DP and Stormtrooper, I mean Stormpay. Stormtrooper! That's funny!! Who's Darth Vader then? QUOTE(haloevo @ Feb 2 2006, 02:48 PM) [snapback]1083077[/snapback] from talkgold thread: That's exactly it - the cat's out of the bag so to speak.... e-gold investigation, then Black Friday 2 + 2 = duh QUOTE(mlb5000 @ Feb 3 2006, 01:09 AM) [snapback]1082938[/snapback] Stormpay removed that BS about "referral based sites" from their news section. I wonder what's going on? hell, that is strange indeed  ,Acts like these and many more are best handled by Charis/Admins. QUOTE(ar0use @ Feb 3 2006, 03:42 AM) [snapback]1082980[/snapback] hey guys...check your SP accounts. I don't see the term change in the news anymore http://www.stormpay.com/stormpay/user/about_us.php?v=u 28. Commission Based Business Model Policy. Due to high volumes of fraudulent transactions made to merchants with commission based business models, StormPay can no longer process payments for those type of merchants who choose to accept more than one payment processing solution. Using more than one payment processor is exactly the situation that “fraud” seeks out. This enables the fraudulent user to set up a fake profile with either of the processors, make a purchase or join the program, and then withdraw their earnings to the other processor where the real identity is used. This sort of activity makes it nearly impossible for either processor, or law enforcement to properly handle the fraud because the “trail” comes to an end. This is the cause for a great many chargebacks to those merchants which can be avoided. As of 1/30/2006 StormPay must require Merchants with a commissioned based business model who choose to accept StormPay, to only accept StormPay. StormPay certainly does not wish to dictate how our merchants run their business, all merchants are free to choose any processing solution that best suits their needs. We understand you have choices and certainly hope that choice is the online leader – StormPay. However, if another payment solution is used, please immediately remove StormPay from the associated website as a funding option and continue to use the StormPay account funds to finish payments to those members who paid using their StormPay account. At StormPay we truly care about our merchants’ and the overall success of their business and sales and for that reason we have implemented these very necessary changes. cheers QUOTE(yurica @ Feb 2 2006, 02:51 PM) [snapback]1083111[/snapback] what the h**c is that? TV Show in the states . . . it was in reference to a previous post about Jack Bauer i think QUOTE(investor_me @ Feb 2 2006, 11:46 AM) [snapback]1083039[/snapback] A crisis between SP & 12DP: An Analysis I am providing you with this analysis of the current 12dp - SP crisis and would like to know your opinion. This is pure speculation and may be wrong, just an attempt to bring something to you all. I think I understand the problem. Here's the 123 that I think is going on. Please correct me if I am wrong: 1- 12dp admin did not expect that such a large number of memebrs would prefer EMO as their payment processor rather than SP (probably because of lower fees). 2- Because 12dp put similar amounts of money into both SP and EMO, a lot of loyal E-gold people decided to use EMO and not SP, so they 12dp needed to transfer a huge amount from their SP account to EMO 3- SP turned unhappy by this development and demanded that SP be the sole processor to continue working with 12dp. 4- 12dp could not withdraw amounts from its SP account due to one of two reasons (SP doesn't want EMO to get the funds or SP isn't able to give that much money in one shot) 5- 12dp filed complaints and is considering legal action against SP, which could potentially result in fear among SP users. But 12dp still doesn't want this to happen because this would scare the hell out of SP users who may want to file a chargeback, putting 12dp into possible danger. 6- 12dp is working very hard to get another site running using EMO (possibly exclusvely) and will be promoting this site from now on and use the convention in late Feb for this reason. 7- SP is realizing that this could damage its largest ever customer (12dp) and could lead to gradual disconnection of 12dp so it would pressurize 12dp to stay by withholding funds and requesting to stay the only payment processor. The truth is that 12dp has become larger than SP and any potential conflict between the two could damage the reputation of SP, and may indeed bring some spotlight to EMO. I believe this is more of payment processor struggle betweem SP and EMO rather than between 12dp & SP. In fact the upcoming move of 12dp in launching a new website with EMO as its processor, will be a great boost to EMO over SP because 12dp is by far -without doubt- the most popular autosurf/hyip program in the web, and having a sole processor will bring this processor a great advantage. That's my opinion, I do have pending payments like many of you guys and I hope this would result in a peaceful end securing the funds/and earnings of all of us... QUOTE(cbz @ Feb 2 2006, 01:55 PM) [snapback]1083149[/snapback] Its not even been 24 hours yet. Also if they are under investigation what good would it be to annouce it? People would panic. And what do you think is happening right now?
is 12daily still strong to invest now?
QUOTE Hoping members won't doing anything to further inflame the tenuous situation between 12DP and Stormtrooper, let's face it: after the "official speculation" of charis there is no possible way of a shared future between 12dp and SP... they are done with each other
Hope they solve this debacle soon.
QUOTE(lovemoney @ Feb 2 2006, 02:58 PM) [snapback]1083193[/snapback] is 12daily still strong to invest now? I hear they take EvoCash . . . just kidding
Seems weird to me SP freezing auotsurf sites...when they are making all that money off them including most of stormclix ads being autosurfs and hyips...spmething strange going down for sure
QUOTE(lovemoney @ Feb 2 2006, 11:58 AM) [snapback]1083193[/snapback] is 12daily still strong to invest now? hmmm .. after reading the posts .. what do you think?
Heres an update from 12dp forum:
This is a reply from stormpay: "Unfortunately, we are unable to process any further transactions on behalf of the merchant. StormPay Inc. certainly understands your concerns regarding this situation. However, the funds of this merchant were frozen by an outside organization pending further investigation. To protect the integrity of the investigation we are unable to release any details at this time. Once the funds are released, StormPay will release the funds to claimant(s) for disbursement" |
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