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QUOTE(smallinvestor @ Feb 2 2006, 01:47 PM) [snapback]1082200[/snapback] Did anyone notice that SP took off their update that they posted yesterday anout using only them???????? Perhaps SP is being told by "SOME AGENCY" that both blackmail and creating a monolpoly ae illigal.
So much for diversification!
I'm spread otu in 8 autosurfs, I thought there's no way that I could lose if 1 went down...but I guess I overlooked the fact that Strompay was the archstone for all of the autosurfs. If stormpay is removed from the equation, it doesn't matter how many baskets I have... QUOTE(haloevo @ Feb 2 2006, 10:41 AM) [snapback]1082108[/snapback] Right now, I could care less if StormPay Inc. tumbled into oblivion.  Long Live 12 Daily Pro and Charis Johnson!Well that makes a whole lot of sense knowing that StormPay is holding funds Charis needs to operate. Real bright statement!  Stormpay Manipulations - by Charis - 12DP Admin at 2006-02-02 13:22:46 From what we can tell, it seems that StormPay may not in their bank account enough funds to cover the withdrawal we requested and thus could possible be using the account suspension as a smoke screen for their inability to pay us our requested funds. It seems they may have fabricating the existance of some kind of investigation and suggesting that our account has been 'frozen' in an effort to deflect attention from their ability to pay us. We have verified that none of our other payment processing accounts, nor our bank accounts has been frozen. Those accounts are perfectly fine. We find it very curious that the only financial account we have open that is currently frozen is with a company that has found one excuse after another to pay us a large deposit we requested weeks ago. We assume their tactic is to breed fear among members in an attempt to get them to place chargebacks so they only have to pay out to individual members in small amounts at a time and thus NOT have to pay us the large lump sum that we requested beacause they mau not have the funds in place to cover such a large withdrawal. We are still researching and gathering information and will provide more as we have it. QUOTE(haloevo @ Feb 2 2006, 01:23 PM) [snapback]1081858[/snapback] Stormpay Manipulations - by Charis - 12DP Admin at 2006-02-02 13:22:46 From what we can tell, it seems that StormPay may not in their bank account enough funds to cover the withdrawal we requested and thus could possible be using the account suspension as a smoke screen for their inability to pay us our requested funds. It seems they may have fabricating the existance of some kind of investigation and suggesting that our account has been 'frozen' in an effort to deflect attention from their ability to pay us. We have verified that none of our other payment processing accounts, nor our bank accounts has been frozen. Those accounts are perfectly fine. We find it very curious that the only financial account we have open that is currently frozen is with a company that has found one excuse after another to pay us a large deposit we requested weeks ago. We assume their tactic is to breed fear among members in an attempt to get them to place chargebacks so they only have to pay out to individual members in small amounts at a time and thus NOT have to pay us the large lump sum that we requested beacause they mau not have the funds in place to cover such a large withdrawal. We are still researching and gathering information and will provide more as we have it. This is exactly what is going on. People don't be naive enough to believe that "outside" investigation crap! stormthug have proven itself to be a liar and a thief. Think about it...How coincidental is it that All of a sudden "outside" sources miraculously appears within days of stormthug's policy change. Seems like everything miraculously falling in stormthug's favor  You guys were warned the moment this crap happened that stormthug was crooked and facts were presented to you. Some chose to listen but it seems like a good amount in this thread was sticking to the mighty god stormthug. Warnings were given even before they pulled this stunt and signs were there. I hope the smart ones here don't have money laying around in that trap and are or have already made plans to get another proccessor. Watch your back stormthug is desperate and feigning for cash. What next? continuing random freezing of individual accounts  They're on a rampage and are willing to do anything at any given time 
QUOTE(valjs073 @ Feb 2 2006, 01:16 PM) [snapback]1081742[/snapback] Whoooo hooo!! Go 12daily pro!!  Long Live..  WHAT A WACKO! QUOTE(goauld @ Feb 2 2006, 01:48 PM) [snapback]1082218[/snapback] That is because 12Dp has been honest and professional since day 1. Can you point me to another autosurf program that has done that? You are absolutely correct.
I think someone who lives in tennessee should go to SP main office and to the CEO's house and just check it out to see what is really going on?? Anybody here in Tennessee??
QUOTE(cashinaction @ Feb 2 2006, 10:49 AM) [snapback]1082231[/snapback] Yes, they are getting there as well. I would defend them the way I would defend 12DP. Have another one? QUOTE(smallinvestor @ Feb 2 2006, 11:47 AM) [snapback]1082200[/snapback] Did anyone notice that SP took off their update that they posted yesterday anout using only them???????? Yup!! And I read about 100 pages back (lol) that 12DP took the SP logo off their site. Whew!! What a day in the MMG forum today!
I don't understand something.
We put money into StormPay and that is sent to 12DP at time of transaction. The money is now in 12DP's hands. And they use it for their purposes of running the business. We surf and after 12 days...money is returned to us through StormPay. Why does 12DP need to withdraw a large sum of money from StormPay? Isn't it sent to them at time of transaction when we make the upgrade. Do they (12DP) not already have it because it was sent to them originally when we make payment to them. 
12dp>>don't worry be happy
QUOTE(Lennyw @ Feb 2 2006, 10:50 AM) [snapback]1082244[/snapback] Well that makes a whole lot of sense knowing that StormPay is holding funds Charis needs to operate. Real bright statement! I mean after payments are given back! QUOTE(frago2000 @ Feb 3 2006, 02:46 AM) [snapback]1082193[/snapback] Wow people sure get defensive when you attack their precious 12dp. Keep it up Tyler, it's nice to see an opinion other than I worship 12dp and will give my first born to charis! hi frago2000 if u've been following the thread closely and looked at all his posts, u'd have been pissed like me or maybe most of us here. 
QUOTE(webyy @ Feb 2 2006, 11:35 AM) [snapback]1082014[/snapback] stormpay was always fishy ... e-gold rules ! YES - YES - YES!! Woulda-SHoulda- Coulda ....... If we had stayed with E-Gold we sure wouldnt be here in this SP Fiasco For us E-Gold Users that have remained patient, jumping through loopholes - waiting to get paid........ While ALL of you StormPay people continued to support Stormpay and get PAID! Well - Now what do you have to say???? QUOTE(smallinvestor @ Feb 2 2006, 10:47 AM) [snapback]1082200[/snapback] Did anyone notice that SP took off their update that they posted yesterday anout using only them???????? yes QUOTE(RedRobot @ Feb 2 2006, 10:52 AM) [snapback]1082281[/snapback] I don't understand something. We put money into StormPay and that is sent to 12DP at time of transaction. The money is now in 12DP's hands. And they use it for their purposes of running the business. We surf and after 12 days...money is returned to us through StormPay. Why does 12DP need to withdraw a large sum of money from StormPay? Isn't it sent to them at time of transaction when we make the upgrade. Do they (12DP) not already have it because it was sent to them originally when we make payment to them. maybe they want to leave stormpay... I hope. QUOTE(drlurk @ Feb 2 2006, 10:48 AM) [snapback]1082216[/snapback] Why? I mean of course we are all in support of SP, but I just feel that begging is what SP wants,,, like a big fat bully. It just adds to their sick twisted lust for power Im not in support of SP... but if I don't do something 12dp will go down and so will our money. If 12dp's account is not unfrozen, this program is doomed, or at least we would not be able to be paid. This is horrific behavior from SP.
I think someone who lives in tennessee should go to SP main office and to the CEO's house and just check it out to see what is really going on?? Anybody here in Tennessee??
Here's the latest message from Charis:
From what we can tell, it seems that StormPay may not in their bank account enough funds to cover the withdrawal we requested and thus could possible be using the account suspension as a smoke screen for their inability to pay us our requested funds. It seems they may have fabricating the existance of some kind of investigation and suggesting that our account has been 'frozen' in an effort to deflect attention from their ability to pay us. We have verified that none of our other payment processing accounts, nor our bank accounts has been frozen. Those accounts are perfectly fine. We find it very curious that the only financial account we have open that is currently frozen is with a company that has found one excuse after another to pay us a large deposit we requested weeks ago. We assume their tactic is to breed fear among members in an attempt to get them to place chargebacks so they only have to pay out to individual members in small amounts at a time and thus NOT have to pay us the large lump sum that we requested beacause they mau not have the funds in place to cover such a large withdrawal. We are still researching and gathering information and will provide more as we have it. QUOTE(Omego2K @ Feb 2 2006, 10:53 AM) [snapback]1082303[/snapback] Im not in support of SP... but if I don't do something 12dp will go down and so will our money. If 12dp's account is not unfrozen, this program is doomed, or at least we would not be able to be paid. This is horrific behavior from SP. Nor am I in support of SP.
From what I gather they syuspended/froze accounts for totalrune, alientrust 12DP and auto-surf
QUOTE This is exactly what is going on. Yet again, more speculation dressed as fact
Now don’t get me wrong, I am not bashing 12DP nor EMO, I am just stating true facts.
OK, so SP is an as****e, I agree with that, but some of the blame for all this mess must lie with 12DP themselves. (I love the 12DP program and I also love EMO, but I am not at all fond of SP, ) but some of the decisions that the 12DP Admin have made, have not always been in the best interest of their members, for the following reasons. It was 12DP’s decision to leave E-Gold and go to EMO. Why? Well, 12DP were fed up with the cheaters. OK, so what’s wrong with that? Nothing - and I agree that they should have done something about cheaters. However, their choice does not appear to be a good one quite obviously. Instead of passing the buck and getting EMO to do all the verifications for them, 12DP should have done the verifications themselves. By trying to take a short cut and involving another payment processor, i.e. EMO, 12DP have only created more problems because it seems quite obvious that SP are pissed off with the competition from EMO. Lets’ face it; EMO by 12DP’s own admission was inundated with request to open more than 10,000 accounts. SP and E-Gold were working side by side with AS programs and it didn’t bother SP because E-Gold was not a threat to them. However, with 10,000 new accounts being created in EMO, poor hard done by SP started to get a sweat on and realized if that many people want to open an EMO account then “oh dear, we are going to lose all those lovely fat fees we are charging.” In conclusion, 12DP have pissed off SP, SP are pissed off with EMO, EMO are pissed off with 12DP for dropping them, all the members are pissed off with everyone and the only one laughing all the way to the bank is E-Gold. The moral of this story is. IF IT ‘AIN’T BROKE, DON’T FIX IT!  QUOTE(longfellaz @ Feb 2 2006, 07:49 PM) [snapback]1082230[/snapback] Are you people reading the member news?? from Charis We must remind a few members, though, please to not provide any negative feedback to Stormpay at this time regarding these events, as we need to do everything we can at this point to retain a working relationship with them for the benefit of all of you. Let Charis handle it till we know what is going on!! Geeez!!  I dont agree with that, what Charis says is no NEGATIVE feedback, but in my opinion, we should all do something, one ticket from each of us, not negative, but stating our fears and maybe "pleading"some.., if we all stand together, then SP will get the message..
Why everyone so panic right now?
 Wish u all luck in 12dp. 
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QUOTE(haloevo @ Feb 2 2006, 10:53 AM) [snapback]1082302[/snapback] maybe they want to leave stormpay... I hope. wasn't there something like EMO compunding?  they had to pay out profits in EMO now and wanted to get money for that... all said in the news... QUOTE(RedRobot @ Feb 3 2006, 02:52 AM) [snapback]1082281[/snapback] I don't understand something. We put money into StormPay and that is sent to 12DP at time of transaction. The money is now in 12DP's hands. And they use it for their purposes of running the business. We surf and after 12 days...money is returned to us through StormPay. Why does 12DP need to withdraw a large sum of money from StormPay? Isn't it sent to them at time of transaction when we make the upgrade. Do they (12DP) not already have it because it was sent to them originally when we make payment to them. One of the reason is to pay 12DP members that choose EMO as their payment processor. cheers QUOTE(Mazzie @ Feb 2 2006, 10:55 AM) [snapback]1082326[/snapback] In conclusion, 12DP have pissed off SP, SP are pissed off with EMO, EMO are pissed off with 12DP for dropping them, all the members are pissed off with everyone and the only one laughing all the way to the bank is E-Gold. The moral of this story is. IF IT ‘AIN’T BROKE, DON’T FIX IT! 12dp is pissed off at Stormpay... why is stormpay pissed off at emo?... I don't think emo is too pissed about 12dp dropping them either. I'm sure they understand, and like charis said, a new site is being made, which will accept emo, thus they shouldn't be pissed. E-gold is out of the question. QUOTE(Savannah @ Feb 2 2006, 12:53 PM) [snapback]1082298[/snapback] YES - YES - YES!! Woulda-SHoulda- Coulda ....... If we had stayed with E-Gold we sure wouldnt be here in this SP Fiasco For us E-Gold Users that have remained patient, jumping through loopholes - waiting to get paid........ While ALL of you StormPay people continued to support Stormpay and get PAID! Well - Now what do you have to say???? Let's not make matter worse for people. That really isn't cool at a time like this. When the e-gold thing happened, at least you guys pretty much knew you would get paid eventually. This could potentially mess up a lot of lives here if it isn't fixed. That's what I have to say. That's really f'ed up for you to post crap like this right now. QUOTE(RedRobot @ Feb 2 2006, 10:52 AM) [snapback]1082281[/snapback] I don't understand something. We put money into StormPay and that is sent to 12DP at time of transaction. The money is now in 12DP's hands. And they use it for their purposes of running the business. We surf and after 12 days...money is returned to us through StormPay. Why does 12DP need to withdraw a large sum of money from StormPay? Isn't it sent to them at time of transaction when we make the upgrade. Do they (12DP) not already have it because it was sent to them originally when we make payment to them. You obviously don't read the news updates in your 12Daily account. Charis tated that they ended up with huge reserves in Stormpay. They needed to release the funds from Stormpay to pay the EMO members where there was no reserve. That is all. Tyler IMSGold
But don't forget there are other surfs frozen too
dont take it that way..
i m small investor compared to u.. had some hope with it when emo was enabled.. i think stormpay never forced anything to 12dailypro.. may be 12dailypro intensionally tried to stay with stormpay as 80% of their funds coming with stormpay from stormclix advertising like rapid fire.. and paying 20% with emo funds became pain to them cause its hard to cashout Stormpay.. i know 3-4 years back it was very hard to cash out bigamount stormpay for international users.. even usa users needed to wait several days to check or bank wire happen from that company..everybody know its a fishy company for chain letters and randomizer games and cheap auctionss.. so i never went for stormpay as liquidity is important.. and stormpay is more like a fun play game type payment processor for randomizers... i just think sp holding up accounts of 12daily because is the false news spread by them that hurt them.. may be the information about stormpay forcing account trying to monopoly is just mislead information nothing true at all.. cause no statement in stormpay website or stormpay email.. but its just maybe.. maybe i m wrong..
QUOTE(Mgbutka @ Feb 2 2006, 11:43 AM) [snapback]1082136[/snapback] just a thought - but when Egold was under investigation could anyone get money in or out? Yes we Could - I have NEVER had a problem with E-Gold FYI - the so called Investigation didnt effect them in the least! E-Gold is still running Strong, and will continue to the most universal Payment solution for the Online world
QUOTE(Paki @ Feb 2 2006, 10:59 AM) [snapback]1082384[/snapback] But don't forget there are other surfs frozen too don't forget you're in a 12dp thread. 
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1690 Golf Club Lane, Clarksville, TN 37043 (931) 647-8730 Someone in Clarksville or who knows someone in Clarksville should do a little checking up on the home office to see what is really going on.  QUOTE(enlightenedmind @ Feb 2 2006, 10:58 AM) [snapback]1082378[/snapback] Let's not make matter worse for people. That really isn't cool at a time like this. When the e-gold thing happened, at least you guys pretty much knew you would get paid eventually. This could potentially mess up a lot of lives here if it isn't fixed. That's what I have to say. That's really f'ed up for you to post crap like this right now. Stormpay Com 1690 Golf Club Lane, Clarksville, TN 37043 (931) 647-8750 phonephone | map Rate It Stormpay Com 1690 Golf Club Lane, Clarksville, TN 37043 (931) 647-8730 phonephone | map Rate It
well either STORMPAY or 12Daily Pro admins are lying.... and I just can't see Charis lying... and I could CLEARLY see StormPay lying... but I could be wrong... maybe Charis IS lying... but I really can't see that right now...
QUOTE(goauld @ Feb 2 2006, 01:52 PM) [snapback]1082263[/snapback] Yes, they are getting there as well. I would defend them the way I would defend 12DP. Have another one? Hey I only listed one, right? 
for those of us who have 12DP forum accounts, you can follow along with Charis's posts with this URL
http://forums.12dailypro.com/smf/index.php...=1;sa=showPosts QUOTE(newsurfpromotion @ Feb 2 2006, 10:59 AM) [snapback]1082387[/snapback] dont take it that way.. i m small investor compared to u.. had some hope with it when emo was enabled.. i think stormpay never forced anything to 12dailypro.. may be 12dailypro intensionally tried to stay with stormpay as 80% of their funds coming with stormpay from stormclix advertising like rapid fire.. and paying 20% with emo funds became pain to them cause its hard to cashout Stormpay.. i know 3-4 years back it was very hard to cash out bigamount stormpay for international users.. even usa users needed to wait several days to check or bank wire happen from that company..everybody know its a fishy company for chain letters and randomizer games and cheap auctionss.. so i never went for stormpay as liquidity is important.. and stormpay is more like a fun play game type payment processor for randomizers... i just think sp holding up accounts of 12daily because is the false news spread by them that hurt them.. may be the information about stormpay forcing account trying to monopoly is just mislead information nothing true at all.. cause no statement in stormpay website or stormpay email.. but its just maybe.. maybe i m wrong.. Yeap your are REALLY REALLY wrong!!! TYler IMSGold QUOTE(Savannah @ Feb 2 2006, 10:59 AM) [snapback]1082389[/snapback] Yes we Could - I have NEVER had a problem with E-Gold FYI - the so called Investigation didnt effect them in the least! E-Gold is still running Strong, and will continue to the most universal Payment solution for the Online world That's not true don't forget that e-gold was practically down for a week... they did however come out squeaky clean...
some posts here really makes me laugh and makes my day even though it's damn tiring trying to follow this thread for a few hours...
QUOTE(aprilosmith @ Feb 2 2006, 12:59 PM) [snapback]1082397[/snapback] Stormpay Com 1690 Golf Club Lane, Clarksville, TN 37043 (931) 647-8750 phonephone | map Rate It Stormpay Com 1690 Golf Club Lane, Clarksville, TN 37043 (931) 647-8730 phonephone | map Rate It I was addressing the folks in here screaming about how e-gold is so great and what should've been done and all that... QUOTE(uplinkhack @ Feb 2 2006, 11:52 AM) [snapback]1082286[/snapback] hi frago2000 if u've been following the thread closely and looked at all his posts, u'd have been pissed like me or maybe most of us here. I have been following the thread and he hasn't pissed me off. He has an opinion and a right to share it. Who knows, maybe he is right.... QUOTE(smashin @ Feb 2 2006, 10:36 AM) [snapback]1082037[/snapback] Can you clarify --- am i correct in understanding that your friend was not able to deposit $3000 into his stormpay account? He tried to deposit via credit card, bank deposit? Can anyone confirm that they are also not able to deposit into their Stormpay account? QUOTE(Paki @ Feb 2 2006, 01:59 PM) [snapback]1082384[/snapback] But don't forget there are other surfs frozen too Which ones, for example? Thanks. QUOTE(WebWealth @ Feb 2 2006, 11:51 AM) [snapback]1082250[/snapback] This is exactly what is going on. People don't be naive enough to believe that "outside" investigation crap! stormthug have proven itself to be a liar and a thief. Think about it...How coincidental is it that All of a sudden "outside" sources miraculously appears within days of stormthug's policy change. STORMTHUG!!! OMG WAY TOO FUNNY!!! Whew! I needed that as I chase this thread! LOLWe could start a name game for good old SP. Stormthug is gonna be hard to beat and I don't mean to come so close to that one but StormSlug came to mind for me!! LOL C'mon people....let's have some fun with it and think good things for Charis while she goes to bat for us all! GO CHARIS GIRL!!!
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