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QUOTE(bcgoh1628 @ Jan 31 2006, 11:40 AM) [snapback]1052310[/snapback] Even stormpay is thieves, scammer, cheater or whatever that can use to describe how bad it is, we still gonna use it. There is no choice, he got the power to do so. Just move on... Let's face it... we're in a very shady business to begin with. Nothing surprises me.
Hmm, i wonder about SP though. From my understanding, SP is not valid everywhere in the world. If that be the case then what happens to our international Pro Workers. Is SP going to expand, or just basically tell 12DP that they cant have any international members anymore....
someone should make their own payment processer.. and make a deal with 12dailypro lol that person wont need to sign up for any auto surf program..
QUOTE(ancient @ Jan 31 2006, 01:20 PM) [snapback]1052096[/snapback] Well all that is really not well thought out now is it? You have the audacity to think that everyone here has made money with 12 daily. there are people here that are praying to God they will be able to break even or not lose thousands of dollars. Oh, that is all right for it is not your money, to heck with everybody else just so you get yours, now if we were not for the fact that Thad went to the hospital and left me in charge so that I could put his payment processor down, I would lose thousands of dollars. I am supposed to cheer someone for costing me thousands of dollars -- -- get real. I don't know if it will work but I have put his pavement processor down under my account, I can only hope that when he gets out, we can work something out that I might get at least half my money back. That way I will only have lost a few thousand for being a member here. Yeah right, well here it is -- -- sis boo baah bang Sounds to me as if you forgot the first rule of the HYIP/Autosurf industry. Only invest what you can stand to lose. You have every right to be upset but it was ultimately your decision to get involved in this high risk area.
Ok i went hunting over at the 12dp forum and hey you guys that are waiting on the 6th well i found someone who just got paid
cheer up guys its not the end of the world! ya'll had fits about emo now this situation it will all iron out!!! Paid Today one of my PNR from the 6th « on: Today at 09:49:07 AM » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31/Jan/2006 08:03 Payment Complete From admin@12dailypro.com $767.52 -It Pays To Go Pro..... now be happy for this person!!! i am QUOTE(Lord Soth @ Jan 31 2006, 12:36 PM) [snapback]1052283[/snapback] StormPay = THIEVES they really want to monopolize all the online business  And then 1 by 1 eating up all our $$$ ? thats insane!! QUOTE(BreakEven @ Feb 1 2006, 03:38 AM) [snapback]1052299[/snapback] How about this? Those that stick wif EMO will have to wait for 15 business days. I suspect her new site accepting EMO will be ready by then. Which will allow those that do not have SP to switch to her new site. Why SP isnt making any noise when EG is around ? Only after EMO is included in 12DP. Why EMO happens to be accepted in her new site and happen so coincidentally that she said SP do not want EMO in 12DP. And all this happen just when her new site is abt to come up. Previously anyone know of any official statement saying she will open a new site which will accept EMO ? QUOTE(MaxWoon @ Jan 31 2006, 11:41 AM) [snapback]1052328[/snapback] In Charis's words, she mentioned SP would only want to be the sole processor in this autosurf program. So there's no other side of the coin. Its only this or get all of us frozen ! Thats why Charis said her new site which accepts EMO will be up soon and this will make those who do not have SP to have a smooth transition. And that gets ppl speculating its all her pre-planned tactical move. And there's some suspect that she is EMO Owner !!!! Thats the same speculative remarks that SP & Netiba is the same owner too when SP reduces fees if u are netiba certified. If Charis was the EMO owner that would make me even more confident in 12DP, knowing that LifeClicks has diversified its income stream. I still need clarifiation as to why SP has a legal right to give 12DP the ultimatum that its either SP's way or the highway. The way it seems right now, it looked like an action of blackmail. QUOTE(BreakEven @ Jan 31 2006, 08:38 PM) [snapback]1052299[/snapback] How about this? As I understand it , it said if we not change to Stormpay we will have our money later. I will hope so QUOTE(shaneel786 @ Jan 31 2006, 02:42 PM) [snapback]1052336[/snapback] someone should make their own payment processer.. and make a deal with 12dailypro lol that person wont need to sign up for any auto surf program.. Your offer is against the MMG Rules!
I think I may have stumbled on what may well be the new Site referred to in that news item, according to whois the url was registered by Charis in September 2005.
QUOTE(thegreatguy @ Jan 31 2006, 10:34 AM) [snapback]1051563[/snapback] anyone can help me to post my User ID: 159032 to the 12dp forum? please ask admin to check my account i got $10540 pending inside and it was expired on 24-12-2005 There is a section in the 12dp forum specifically for members who are having this problem. There are also several other people there who have the Processed But Not Received problem. According to the 12dp Mod, the Payment Staff will work to fix this problem by Thursday. Also sent you PM. Hope this helps. QUOTE(Harbinger @ Jan 31 2006, 11:48 AM) [snapback]1052398[/snapback] I think I may have stumbled on what may well be the new Site referred to in that news item, according to whois the url was registered by Charis in September 2005. Well what is it? what is the link? QUOTE(MaxWoon @ Jan 31 2006, 02:46 PM) [snapback]1052379[/snapback] Those that stick wif EMO will have to wait for 15 business days. I suspect her new site accepting EMO will be ready by then. Which will allow those that do not have SP to switch to her new site. Why SP isnt making any noise when EG is around ? Only after EMO is included in 12DP. Why EMO happens to be accepted in her new site and happen so coincidentally that she said SP do not want EMO in 12DP. And all this happen just when her new site is abt to come up. Previously anyone know of any official statement saying she will open a new site which will accept EMO ? Stormpay is actually scare of competition i guess It's natural folks QUOTE(drlurk @ Feb 1 2006, 03:46 AM) [snapback]1052381[/snapback] If Charis was the EMO owner that would make me even more confident in 12DP, knowing that LifeClicks has diversified its income stream. I still need clarifiation as to why SP has a legal right to give 12DP the ultimatum that its either SP's way or the highway. The way it seems right now, it looked like an action of blackmail. This is a very shady biz we are in. They have the hammer with them now and they uses it. Chais wldnt want to risk her money and hundred of thousands members too. Paypal loves freezing ppl's money too. Its like this in this online world. Yea...if EMO owns by Charis, she sure does have more income stream. We shld applaude her for her enterprising mind. QUOTE(MaxWoon @ Jan 31 2006, 11:41 AM) [snapback]1052328[/snapback] In Charis's words, she mentioned SP would only want to be the sole processor in this autosurf program. So there's no other side of the coin. Its only this or get all of us frozen ! Thats why Charis said her new site which accepts EMO will be up soon and this will make those who do not have SP to have a smooth transition. And that gets ppl speculating its all her pre-planned tactical move. And there's some suspect that she is EMO Owner !!!! Thats the same speculative remarks that SP & Netiba is the same owner too when SP reduces fees if u are netiba certified. StormPay and NETIba is owned by the same and sole owner. READ HERE Here's some info: StormPay Incorporated is located in Clarksville, Tennessee. They are in Montgomery County Tennessee. Their entity business information is on the Tennessee Secretary of state website: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STORMPAY Name I.D. Number STORMPAY, INC. 0449997 Business Type*: CORPORATION Profit/Nonprofit: FOR PROFIT Status*: ACTIVE Date of Formation/Qualification: 07/07/2003 Domestic/Foreign: DOMESTIC Place of Incorporation/Organization: MONTGOMERY Duration: PERPETUAL FYC(Fiscal Year Closing) Month: DECEMBER Principal Office: Address Line 1: 1690 GOLF CLUB LANE Address Line 2: City: CLARKSVILLE State: TN Zip: 37043 other than USA: Registered Agent: Name: JOHN R. MCCONNELL, JR. Address Line 1: 1690 GOLF CLUB LANE Address Line 2: City: CLARKSVILLE State: TN Zip: 37043 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NETIBA Name I.D. Number NETIBA, INC. 0482353 Business Type*: CORPORATION Profit/Nonprofit: FOR PROFIT Status*: ACTIVE Date of Formation/Qualification: 12/02/2004 Domestic/Foreign: DOMESTIC Place of Incorporation/Organization: MONTGOMERY Duration: PERPETUAL FYC(Fiscal Year Closing) Month: DECEMBER Principal Office: Address Line 1: 2115 OLD ASHLAND Address Line 2: CITY ROAD City: CLARKSVILLE State: TN Zip: 37043 other than USA: Registered Agent: Name: JOHN R MCCONNELL JR Address Line 1: 2115 OLD ASHLAND Address Line 2: CITY ROAD City: CLARKSVILLE State: TN Zip: 37043 They also have OTHER websites and aliases! Here is some information from the Tennessee BBB. BBB Reliability Report The Better Business Bureau Serving Middle Tennessee P.O. Box 198436 Nashville, TN 37219-8436 StormPay, Inc 1690 Gulf Club Lane Clarksville, TN 37043 Telephone: (931) 647-8750 Fax: (931) 647-8970 The BBB reports on members and non-members. Principal: Mr. Steve Girsky , CEO File Open Date: September 2002 Incorporated: July 2003, TN TOB Classification: Internet Shopping Services BBB Membership: No Additional DBA Names TymGlobal.com Stormpay.com, Inc. Tymglobal AllResell.com Principal Officer Mr. Steve Girsky is the CEO of the company. Customer Service Contact Mr. Steve Girsky is the complaint contact person for this company and should be contacted at (931) 647-8750 before filing a complaint with BBB. Nature Of Business The company offers online vendors to accept payments from potential customers all over the globe. Consumers should be aware that the address used by this company of 1960-J Madison Street is that of a private postal service and not the physical location for the company. NOTE: USE THE 1690 GOLF CLUB LANE ADDRESS TO CONTACT--NOT THE ABOVE ADDRESS! Customer Experience Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to two or more unresolved complaints. Additional DBAs, Addresses and Telephone Numbers Additional Web Addresses www.stormpay.com www.allresell.com QUOTE(MaxWoon @ Jan 31 2006, 11:46 AM) [snapback]1052379[/snapback] Those that stick wif EMO will have to wait for 15 business days. I suspect her new site accepting EMO will be ready by then. Which will allow those that do not have SP to switch to her new site. Why SP isnt making any noise when EG is around ? Only after EMO is included in 12DP. Why EMO happens to be accepted in her new site and happen so coincidentally that she said SP do not want EMO in 12DP. And all this happen just when her new site is abt to come up. Previously anyone know of any official statement saying she will open a new site which will accept EMO ? interesting, but if SP has the power to control what happens at 12DP, wouldnt that power extend to any site that LifeClicks runs.... Like, what would stop SP from saying that if Charis opens her new site and accepts anything but SP, that they will freeze her SP account etc..? Of course that would be blatantly illegal, but seems SP's most recent action was illegal to begin with
EMO is out of Austin Texas, i dont believe Charis owns EMO
QUOTE(Harbinger @ Jan 31 2006, 11:48 AM) [snapback]1052398[/snapback] I think I may have stumbled on what may well be the new Site referred to in that news item, according to whois the url was registered by Charis in September 2005. Go on, spit it out
Guys just heard the news!!! Pretty F:censor:ed! After all the effort all you EMO users went through to get verified (me too, however chose SP in the end anyway), I feel for ya! Hope things work out just fine asap, i'm just so glad i'm out of 12dp for now
 . Now i understand why SP is hated by so many  , bunch of arseholes the lot of them for what they have done now. And this is DEFINITELY NOT legal. Hope they get their arses sued for it!!
StormPay and NETiba is owned by Mr. Steve Girsky
QUOTE(thegreatguy @ Jan 31 2006, 11:25 AM) [snapback]1049884[/snapback] email is not an option to contact 12dp i said i registered the ticket system but was unable to submit a ticket i asked a mod and he asked me to submit a ticket but i said i cant i am not a member of the 12dp forum i got no ways to contact 12dp how can i solve my problem?????? i need to let everyone on the earth know 12dp owe me $10540 and maybe some of them will help me to forward this to 12dp and i will be paid if they are not scam  Instructions over skipped payouts have bEen posted several times by now You have given the link to do so but keep trolling here other than being constructive. QUOTE(janice @ Jan 31 2006, 01:56 PM) [snapback]1052489[/snapback] EMO is out of Austin Texas, i dont believe Charis owns EMO lots of detectives in this forum. But maybe it might be smarter to keep your "noses" out of this all and let the people who will make the difference fix the problems. The only thing that happens with all this detective work and questioning is alot of negative excitement. Just remember this before speculation gets the better of all of us.  stormpay. I just upgraded via emo yesterday haha! So now, I wait 10 business days for withdrawal to EMO or have to deal with giving my cash to stormpay and figure out how to withdraw it (I'm unverified).
Stormpay should be sued for antitrust violation, just like Mircosoft
I would not believe a word charis says, She has been posting under multiple unsernames over a TG, Then she is exposed, and as a consiquence brings down talk gold with a DDOS attack. Indeed - This is a very shady business QUOTE(onlinearnings @ Jan 31 2006, 07:50 PM) [snapback]1052419[/snapback] Well what is it? what is the link? I can't tell you that as it'll steal Charis' thunder and she may have registered several urls and I just happened to find one of them. Let me just post a picture and we'll see if it's relevent in a couple of days when she makes an announcement.  
Not to change the subject matter, but have SP payments stopped or slowed down today? Waiting on a 1/23 SP Compound. With todays processor change, I wonder if it is affecting current SP payments?
QUOTE(papabear @ Jan 31 2006, 11:40 AM) [snapback]1050109[/snapback] I cannot believe that you people are buying into this stormpay forced us garbage . When are you gonna realize they been scammin since they plotted the dropping of egold and tied up millions of more dollars for themselves to have while there stalling delaying moving back every few days . Whatever. I wonder what the next lie is gonna be. They left all of us up in the air with no answers in that ridiculous update and no where to get any. Professional My butt You have been paid for some of your pending payouts,these circumstances shared with us by Charis are unfortunate and not really within their control,the remaining pendng stated will be paid and you post rubbish,the facts are they pay millions daily and you come and bash consistently withoutany ground just because it suit your own needs. Calling a program paying millions daily a scam without any solid info to back this up and keep posting your own speculations while you reap the rewards and getting paid and remain active for skae of your own commissions is disgusting. QUOTE(drlurk @ Feb 1 2006, 03:53 AM) [snapback]1052452[/snapback] interesting, but if SP has the power to control what happens at 12DP, wouldnt that power extend to any site that LifeClicks runs.... Like, what would stop SP from saying that if Charis opens her new site and accepts anything but SP, that they will freeze her SP account etc..? Of course that would be blatantly illegal, but seems SP's most recent action was illegal to begin with Maybe SP has got nothing to do with EMO being out of 12DP. Talking abt SP scared of competition, i believe earlier on EG is much more stronger than EMO. Frankly speaking, i wldnt know what is EMO had it not been accepted in 12DP !
"If you are an US citizen and would like to receive a 1099, then submit the following data to us. 1. State issued Id 2. Copy of Social Security Card 3. Current utility bill (address verification) Upon receipt of the information, a 1099 will be issued and mailed to your physical address. Scan and email your information to following 1099data@12dailypro.com, if you do not have scanning ability you can fax to 1-866-308-0133 Make sure your copy is a legible copy."
Posted just now on the 12dp site. QUOTE(Pipster @ Jan 31 2006, 12:03 PM) [snapback]1052564[/snapback] You have been paid for some of your pending payouts,these circumstances shared with us by Charis are unfortunate and not really within their control,the remaining pendng stated will be paid and you post rubbish,the facts are they pay millions daily and you come and bash consistently withoutany ground just because it suit your own needs. Calling a program paying millions daily a scam without any solid info to back this up and keep posting your own speculations while you reap the rewards and getting paid and remain active for skae of your own commissions is disgusting. You go tell him Pipster 
QUOTE(Foxx @ Jan 31 2006, 01:01 PM) [snapback]1052546[/snapback] I would not believe a word charis says, She has been posting under multiple unsernames over a TG, Then she is exposed, and as a consiquence brings down talk gold with a DDOS attack. Indeed - This is a very shady business How can you prove she was behind a DDOS attack?
latest payout ID for SP?
QUOTE(rollergrrl @ Feb 1 2006, 04:07 AM) [snapback]1052608[/snapback] How can you prove she was behind a DDOS attack? Without proof, tis is a serious accusation.
QUOTE(Harbinger @ Jan 31 2006, 08:01 PM) [snapback]1052547[/snapback] I can't tell you that as it'll steal Charis' thunder and she may have registered several urls and I just happened to find one of them. Let me just post a picture and we'll see if it's relevent in a couple of days when she makes an announcement. In fact I can confirm that this is only one url that has been registered by Charis. I've found a second one. QUOTE(Pipster @ Jan 31 2006, 02:03 PM) [snapback]1052564[/snapback] You have been paid for some of your pending payouts,these circumstances shared with us by Charis are unfortunate and not really within their control,the remaining pendng stated will be paid and you post rubbish,the facts are they pay millions daily and you come and bash consistently withoutany ground just because it suit your own needs. Calling a program paying millions daily a scam without any solid info to back this up and keep posting your own speculations while you reap the rewards and getting paid and remain active for skae of your own commissions is disgusting. i agree. and I believe the masses that do agree need to speak up. 12DP has done nothing but FIX things. they helped pull the AutoSurf industry out of the 4d & ST downfalls. give this group a break. stop posting negative arguments without basis. SO WHAT IF YOU HAVENT BEEN PAID YET. You are not the make or break if a program is a scam. Ever have the bank charge you a fee they shouldnt have? Or taken an extra three days to process a deposited check? I HAVE. I DIDNT CALL THE BANK A SCAM. I waited, because in the end, thats all you can do. QUOTE(Harbinger @ Feb 1 2006, 04:09 AM) [snapback]1052632[/snapback] In fact I can confirm that this is only one url that has been registered by Charis. I've found a second one. Sure not....thats interesting ! QUOTE(thenmh @ Jan 31 2006, 12:01 PM) [snapback]1052545[/snapback] Stormpay should be sued for antitrust violation, just like Mircosoft And in the meantime of a lengthy court battle that might take years, we suffer for it  QUOTE(phatee @ Jan 31 2006, 10:49 AM) [snapback]1051738[/snapback] how many people here have a real 9-5 job? What's a 9-5 job? 
omg good morning all! Emo went bye bye! AHHHHHH
Ahh well, I'm part of the 75% that was using StormPay. 
QUOTE(MaxWoon @ Jan 31 2006, 01:19 PM) [snapback]1052083[/snapback] With this new saga, u might hit moneymaker superme very soon !  LOL.. right! QUOTE(Omego2K @ Jan 31 2006, 12:08 PM) [snapback]1052622[/snapback] latest payout ID for SP? This is to inform you that LifeClicks LLC (admin@12dailypro.com) has paid you $207.36 USD. The status of sender: NetIBA CERTIFIED Transaction Details -------------------------- Type: Payment Date: January 30, 2006 ID: xxxxxxx Amount: $207.36 -------------------------- Please log in to StormPay to get more details. http://www.stormpay.com/ Thank you for using StormPay! The StormPay Team I think I am not allowed to reveal the ID, but I was paid.
for those posting that 12dp is lying about SP's request, read the SP forum, an SP moderator confirmed it
QUOTE(nomadone @ Jan 31 2006, 01:20 PM) [snapback]1052097[/snapback] SP has been very very good to me. The only way SP has been good to me is 12DailyPro and AlienTrust paying my through it, and taking 2.9% of my GROSS return...
QUOTE(fightingtexasAGGIE @ Jan 31 2006, 12:09 PM) [snapback]1052633[/snapback] i agree. and I believe the masses that do agree need to speak up. 12DP has done nothing but FIX things. they helped pull the AutoSurf industry out of the 4d & ST downfalls. give this group a break. stop posting negative arguments without basis. SO WHAT IF YOU HAVENT BEEN PAID YET. You are not the make or break if a program is a scam. Ever have the bank charge you a fee they shouldnt have? Or taken an extra three days to process a deposited check? I HAVE. I DIDNT CALL THE BANK A SCAM. I waited, because in the end, thats all you can do. Frankly, I'm surprised there aren't more bashers here. This is the perfect opportunity QUOTE(piedone @ Jan 31 2006, 03:19 PM) [snapback]1052724[/snapback] This is to inform you that LifeClicks LLC (admin@12dailypro.com) has paid you $207.36 USD. The status of sender: NetIBA CERTIFIED Transaction Details -------------------------- Type: Payment Date: January 30, 2006 ID: xxxxxxx Amount: $207.36 -------------------------- Please log in to StormPay to get more details. http://www.stormpay.com/ Thank you for using StormPay! The StormPay Team what about just the first three numbers??....did it expire on the 23rd? I think I am not allowed to reveal the ID, but I was paid.
If I let my positions expire in 12 Daily Pro and don't re-upgrade will they remove me from the database?
Thanks, Gary
Why u all guys so sure that 12dailypro third site is autosurf/investment type? Maybe it's just an advertising site like Hitsdailypro.
QUOTE(piedone @ Jan 31 2006, 03:19 PM) [snapback]1052724[/snapback] This is to inform you that LifeClicks LLC (admin@12dailypro.com) has paid you $207.36 USD. The status of sender: NetIBA CERTIFIED Transaction Details -------------------------- Type: Payment Date: January 30, 2006 ID: xxxxxxx Amount: $207.36 -------------------------- Please log in to StormPay to get more details. http://www.stormpay.com/ Thank you for using StormPay! The StormPay Team I think I am not allowed to reveal the ID, but I was paid. What date did your upgrade expire? |