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edatamerge
Jan 31 2006, 09:37 AM
QUOTE(LennieF @ Jan 31 2006, 10:36 PM) [snapback]1050440[/snapback]

chargebacks. people buy $6,000 upgrades with their credit cards, get paid $8,640 in return, then file chargebacks with VISA to reverse the original $6,000 charge. VISA wins, StormPay goes after the user, the user tells them to go censored2.gif themselves, and StormPay's forced to eat the 6 large.

with StormPay as the only game in town, if someone screws them like that, StormPay freezes their account, disabled logins from their IP, and the user, who no longer has EMO as an alternative, can no longer make 44% on 12daily. when faced with that reality, they decide not to scam SP.

if i was StormPay, i'd do the same thing. when you have the hammer, you use it.


Very intelligent post Lennie, Makes real sense
jimbono
Jan 31 2006, 09:38 AM
QUOTE(IMSGold @ Jan 31 2006, 11:31 AM) [snapback]1050768[/snapback]

Right now the best thing everyone could do is first calm down. No one should be contacting
Stormpay about this issue. That will only make matters worse.

The other thing we all should do is just accept Stormpay's decision and support 12Daily with their decision
and get over this hurdle smoothly.

There are other alternatives to solve this issue.

What I would do in this case is agree to Stormpay's demands and over time slowly phase out
Stormpay. This way all SP members will get their money out of Stormpay with earnings and
commissions.

Then I would totally switch to EGold and EMO. I don't think EMO could handle the volume of transactions
if we all switched to EMO so you need EGOLD.

The only problem is that Charis does not trust EGOLD.

Tyler


Yeah, we should try to calm down and not make matters worse...
neo1599
Jan 31 2006, 09:38 AM
Hi,

I just wanted to know if anyone is facing a problem like me.

When i try to log in at 12DP it says u cannot access this page directly.

Neo smile.gif
LennieF
Jan 31 2006, 09:38 AM
QUOTE(LennieF @ Jan 30 2006, 11:04 AM) [snapback]1035088[/snapback]

Sunday's referral - 326,41x
Monday's referral - 333,45x

upto 7,000 a day. dance9bh.gif

today's referral - 337,27x unsure.gif

"only" 4,000 more, but the day's still young.

now that we're gonna lose users from all of the non-StormPay countries, membership's gonna slow down a bit. we gotta keep cranking 'em out!
lightning2004
Jan 31 2006, 09:39 AM
QUOTE(vin_dost @ Jan 31 2006, 09:27 AM) [snapback]1050723[/snapback]

i think all ppl using stormpay this is a warning for u what if some day they stop u all from using ur money and black mail u like they r doing 12 dp right now i think its time to go againt them at all levels.this calls for full boycott of SP by every one. they do not deserve to be n business.

rofl4.gif screwy.gif no hurry and go join sp..lmao
MyGlobalExchange
Jan 31 2006, 09:39 AM
This is totally unfair and unjust! How can StormPay say such a thing and monopoly 12dp payout processors. This makes StormPay a far worst company than Microsoft. What StormPay is doing now, is like telling you to install only Microsoft Product in Microsoft Windows. If you install anything which is not Microsoft, you will need to uninstall Windows and use Linux/Unix instead!

Total BULL!

Is this the beginning of StormPay only processors in all AutoSurfs?? furious.gif
LondonHoney
Jan 31 2006, 09:39 AM
QUOTE(Profiteer @ Jan 31 2006, 04:45 PM) [snapback]1050166[/snapback]

Something "old" for 12dp members to read about StormPay con tactic:

READ HERE- StormPay Con Tactic

Hope you guys are aware that you should never keep more than 3k in your StormPay account or else they will suspend you if you try to withdraw all 3k at one go. diablo.gif


well im going to request a bank transfer and for over 10k and they better not try and be funny with me. What morons 4.gif
mjd73
Jan 31 2006, 09:40 AM
QUOTE(neo1599 @ Jan 31 2006, 10:38 AM) [snapback]1050856[/snapback]

Hi,

I just wanted to know if anyone is facing a problem like me.

When i try to log in at 12DP it says u cannot access this page directly.

Neo smile.gif



Goto Tools, choose Internet Options, and press Delete Cookies. It worked for me!
MaxWoon
Jan 31 2006, 09:41 AM
[quote name='Foxx' date='Feb 1 2006, 01:35 AM' post='1050821']
Smart move by charis its working precisely as planned. Everyone is blaming Stormpay when there is no substance to this claim
[/quote]

quote name='LondonHoney' date='Feb 1 2006, 01:35 AM' post='1050828']
but stormpay is not being professional, they deserve all they get. I really hope 12dp will drop them. this is no way to treat a client that brings you millions of dollars in revenue
[/quote]

Exactly, so u shld see LennieF post and think back. There must be some logic behind it. Look at both this quote and add it up.
Elycia
Jan 31 2006, 09:42 AM
The login problem seems to be resolved. They were updating the homepage.
nachon
Jan 31 2006, 09:42 AM
QUOTE(Elycia @ Feb 1 2006, 01:42 AM) [snapback]1050905[/snapback]

The login problem seems to resolved. They were updating the homepage.


Yep I can login fine now smile.gif
LondonHoney
Jan 31 2006, 09:43 AM
QUOTE(LennieF @ Jan 31 2006, 05:06 PM) [snapback]1050440[/snapback]

chargebacks. people buy $6,000 upgrades with their credit cards, get paid $8,640 in return, then file chargebacks with VISA to reverse the original $6,000 charge. VISA wins, StormPay goes after the user, the user tells them to go censored2.gif themselves, and StormPay's forced to eat the 6 large.

with StormPay as the only game in town, if someone screws them like that, StormPay freezes their account, disabled logins from their IP, and the user, who no longer has EMO as an alternative, can no longer make 44% on 12daily. when faced with that reality, they decide not to scam SP.

if i was StormPay, i'd do the same thing. when you have the hammer, you use it.



okay so why didnt they have a problem with egold. OR why havent they given any other autosurf such a foolish ultimatum thumbdown.gif

12dp makes history ones again

258 User(s) are browsing this forum (78 Guests and 7 Anonymous Users)

rofl4.gif
MaxWoon
Jan 31 2006, 09:44 AM
QUOTE(LondonHoney @ Feb 1 2006, 01:42 AM) [snapback]1050912[/snapback]

okay so why didnt they have a problem with egold. OR why havent they given any other autosurf such a foolish ultimatum thumbdown.gif


AlienTrust dropped EGold. Now only using SP.
Chinablue
Jan 31 2006, 09:44 AM
QUOTE(MyGlobalExchange @ Feb 1 2006, 01:39 AM) [snapback]1050867[/snapback]

This is totally unfair and unjust! How can StormPay say such a thing and monopoly 12dp payout processors. This makes StormPay a far worst company than Microsoft. What StormPay is doing now, is like telling you to install only Microsoft Product in Microsoft Windows. If you install anything which is not Microsoft, you will need to uninstall Windows and use Linux/Unix instead!

Total BULL!

Is this the beginning of StormPay only processors in all AutoSurfs?? furious.gif



haa..if SP is going to do this monopoly stuff...they are gonna screw themselves real hard...do u think they hold a bigger mkt share in hyip/autosurf compared to EG?..
headystuff
Jan 31 2006, 09:44 AM
QUOTE(LondonHoney @ Jan 31 2006, 09:43 AM) [snapback]1050912[/snapback]

okay so why didnt they have a problem with egold. OR why havent they given any other autosurf such a foolish ultimatum thumbdown.gif

12dp makes history ones again

258 User(s) are browsing this forum (78 Guests and 7 Anonymous Users)

rofl4.gif


They will...and now there are more and more that only take Stormpay. Maybe they had ultimatums, too. tongue4.gif
LennieF
Jan 31 2006, 09:45 AM
QUOTE(busybutterfly @ Jan 31 2006, 12:35 PM) [snapback]1050826[/snapback]

Can someone explain this to me in simple English? tongue4.gif

Currently pending Egold/EMO upgrades:
We have paid out approximately 80% of these. By this afternoon, we will have paid through half of the Jan 8 expirations. Due to the delay in placing the necessary funds in EMO to complete this payments, we will have to extend the deadline for the remainder of these to February 3. If you are wondering, while there are many expiration days left to be paid, there are considerably fewere upgrades on each day than for previous days which some days only have less than a dozen. We hope to have them done before that date, but it is all dependent on the speed of our banking transactions.

!?!?

alotta people were concerned that if it took 2 weeks to payout the the egold/EMO 12/23-1/1 upgrade expirations, it would take 4 weeks to pay the 1/2 to 1/31 EMO upgrades.

what Charis is saying is that, less and less people upgraded with EMO in January (probably because of the problems), so less people have to be paid going forward. being that those EMO expirations never materialized, they ones that they do have should be handling fairly quickly.
Elycia
Jan 31 2006, 09:45 AM
Hey London Honey
ancient
Jan 31 2006, 09:46 AM
QUOTE(VoodooKing @ Jan 31 2006, 12:25 PM) [snapback]1050690[/snapback]

Is there another payment processor that's International friendly? I can only think of Paypal.



There is PayPal, MoneyBookers and best of all EGOLD. EGold has never had a hacking problem or a problem of anykind just when the FBI did the 3 probes . One on a Bank, 2nd on the wire tranfer company and 3RD on Egold and all the very same day and in the very same town. OHHHH did the writer of that biased article that let himself get hacked a month before forget to mention the other two places---for shame.
GKGold
Jan 31 2006, 09:46 AM
"StormPay informed us at this time that they would not allow the release of our funds until we removed EMO as a payment option from our site. We were given a 5pm deadline in order to do so. Not doing so would result in StormPay disallowing any further upgrades incoming purchases through them ...."


These storm pay gay-s are sooo gredy they get toooon of money form their greedy 7% fee! and they want more? If i could i would shut them down!

They do not deserve money they are getting!
toyah666
Jan 31 2006, 09:46 AM
QUOTE(LondonHoney @ Jan 31 2006, 09:39 AM) [snapback]1050873[/snapback]

well im going to request a bank transfer and for over 10k and they better not try and be funny with me. What morons 4.gif



dont think i will ever have that much in my account to worry about it rolleyes.gif

luv toyah xx
sujit_76
Jan 31 2006, 09:47 AM
So EMO banner now removed from home page. Just think about those support staff over there who worked overnight to verify the accounts. furious.gif furious.gif
webyy
Jan 31 2006, 09:47 AM
stormpay sucks big time ... with this decision ... i'm out of 12dp ...
f**k stormpay ! 4.gif

they should quit f****g stormpay and add emo and egold ! furious.gif
bcgoh1628
Jan 31 2006, 09:47 AM
If 300k 12dp member bring hammer and throw it at stormpay, i guess the problem could be settle almost instantly. Lighten.gif
MaxWoon
Jan 31 2006, 09:48 AM
QUOTE(Chinablue @ Feb 1 2006, 01:44 AM) [snapback]1050935[/snapback]

haa..if SP is going to do this monopoly stuff...they are gonna screw themselves real hard...do u think they hold a bigger mkt share in hyip/autosurf compared to EG?..


But if they dont monopolise themselves against other processor in autosurf ( which lifespan normally lasts longer than hyip ) scammers will come in and file chargebacks against SP. And SP will have to eat the USD6000 themselves. Imagine only 1/3 of 12DP members are scammers that makes 100,000 x USD6000 !!! Not forgetting scammers will have no problem having mulitple accounts.
indecent_chulo
Jan 31 2006, 09:48 AM
12dp back up and im able to log in just fine

i know people trash them but i can say for me theyve always paid on time

im only 22 yo and because of them ive been able to

- pay off my PAST DUE student loan
- change to a new school and pay tuition
- open up a my first IRA Account and fund it to the max ($4k)
- pay my car insurance for the year (3k)
- have a healthy size savings account, which i moved into a few different CDs for the higher interest
- help my mom w/her house mortage ive made 4 extra payments for her ($4k)
and many more items to come

so for all of you that doubt 12dailypro, i feel sorry for you b/c i 110% support them

lllllllong live 12dp smile.gif

blakthorn
Jan 31 2006, 09:49 AM
QUOTE(bcgoh1628 @ Jan 31 2006, 12:47 PM) [snapback]1050984[/snapback]

If 300k 12dp member bring hammer and throw it at stormpay, i guess the problem could be settle almost instantly. Lighten.gif



what the hell does that mean?
A little bit is better than nada
Jan 31 2006, 09:49 AM
Edited: spam

incorrect
khalid
Jan 31 2006, 09:49 AM
Deleting cookies and then login works
busybutterfly
Jan 31 2006, 09:49 AM
QUOTE(LennieF @ Jan 31 2006, 09:45 AM) [snapback]1050950[/snapback]

alotta people were concerned that if it took 2 weeks to payout the the egold/EMO 12/23-1/1 upgrade expirations, it would take 4 weeks to pay the 1/2 to 1/31 EMO upgrades.

what Charis is saying is that, less and less people upgraded with EMO in January (probably because of the problems), so less people have to be paid going forward. being that those EMO expirations never materialized, they ones that they do have should be handling fairly quickly.


Another great explanation Lennie... thankyou smile.gif

I did kind of understand it meant something along those lines - but the grammar is just so... post-69220-1110229459.gif
kimmycee
Jan 31 2006, 09:50 AM
I can log in now too, i cleared my cookies and it let me in
naknook
Jan 31 2006, 09:51 AM
Maybe this will make 12DP come up with its own payment processor?
Student
Jan 31 2006, 09:51 AM
QUOTE(LondonHoney @ Jan 31 2006, 10:35 AM) [snapback]1050828[/snapback]

but stormpay is not being professional, they deserve all they get. I really hope 12dp will drop them. this is no way to treat a client that brings you millions of dollars in revenue


With 75% of 12d members using SP, I don't see how that would help.
Chinablue
Jan 31 2006, 09:51 AM
QUOTE(sujit_76 @ Feb 1 2006, 01:47 AM) [snapback]1050972[/snapback]

So EMO banner now removed from home page. Just think about those support staff over there who worked overnight to verify the accounts. furious.gif furious.gif



yup...in the end, it doesn't even matter..
LennieF
Jan 31 2006, 09:51 AM
QUOTE(LondonHoney @ Jan 31 2006, 12:43 PM) [snapback]1050912[/snapback]

okay so why didnt they have a problem with egold. OR why havent they given any other autosurf such a foolish ultimatum thumbdown.gif

12dp makes history ones again

258 User(s) are browsing this forum (78 Guests and 7 Anonymous Users)

rofl4.gif

they probably only had 100,000 members when they dropped e-gold. now, with 340,000 members, those chargebacks are 3½ times more impactful.

chargebacks on those other little surfs probably don't phase them.. yet.
MaxWoon
Jan 31 2006, 09:52 AM
QUOTE(bcgoh1628 @ Feb 1 2006, 01:47 AM) [snapback]1050984[/snapback]

If 300k 12dp member bring hammer and throw it at stormpay, i guess the problem could be settle almost instantly. Lighten.gif


Charis does not favour egold, she dropped it. EMO is her decision. But SP does not like it. So it seems SP will be the processor.

Charis has been doing a great job so far. Just think abt it, her team is now working to get the page up and remove EMO banner and changes to her FAQ, things are back up again so very fast. She simply does not want us to be penalise. If she's not responsible enough, she would have slack over 2months like some 'other' autosurf program admin and still does nothing YET !

If now we have SP as the only processor, the qns is whether current EMO users will continue to support 12DP and Charis team like b4 ? Like b4 when u guys shout '12DP ROCKS !'
smashin
Jan 31 2006, 09:53 AM
QUOTE(indecent_chulo @ Jan 31 2006, 09:48 AM) [snapback]1050997[/snapback]

12dp back up and im able to log in just fine

i know people trash them but i can say for me theyve always paid on time

im only 22 yo and because of them ive been able to

- pay off my PAST DUE student loan
- change to a new school and pay tuition
- open up a my first IRA Account and fund it to the max ($4k)
- pay my car insurance for the year (3k)
- have a healthy size savings account, which i moved into a few different CDs for the higher interest
- help my mom w/her house mortage ive made 4 extra payments for her ($4k)
and many more items to come

so for all of you that doubt 12dailypro, i feel sorry for you b/c i 110% support them

lllllllong live 12dp smile.gif


thats great indecent_chulo biggrin.gif good for you clapping7.gif
tommyc
Jan 31 2006, 09:53 AM
QUOTE(LennieF @ Jan 31 2006, 09:06 AM) [snapback]1050440[/snapback]

chargebacks. people buy $6,000 upgrades with their credit cards, get paid $8,640 in return, then file chargebacks with VISA to reverse the original $6,000 charge. VISA wins, StormPay goes after the user, the user tells them to go censored2.gif themselves, and StormPay's forced to eat the 6 large.

with StormPay as the only game in town, if someone screws them like that, StormPay freezes their account, disabled logins from their IP, and the user, who no longer has EMO as an alternative, can no longer make 44% on 12daily. when faced with that reality, they decide not to scam SP.

if i was StormPay, i'd do the same thing. when you have the hammer, you use it.


Though that does sounds logical... but if they made a transaction to 12dp with stormpay. 12dp only returns the fund back into the payment processor that you made the upgrade with. 12dp only allowed the transition of processor from egold to either EMO or stormpay. Not stormpay to EMO. So it would be pointless for someone to make a $6,000 charge on their credit card to stormpay then do a charge back. They can tell stormpay to go censored2.gif themselves, but even if they did they would still be dealing with stormpay since the fund from 12dp was returned back to stormpay and not towards EMO... so I don't see how EMO would be involved anywhere there.. except for the reason that EMO might eventually take all the business with 12dp, away from stormpay.
Morphius
Jan 31 2006, 09:53 AM
QUOTE(naknook @ Jan 31 2006, 05:51 PM) [snapback]1051025[/snapback]

Maybe this will make 12DP come up with its own payment processor?


Would be nice, coz it would be created for the users! Giving us what we want!

12DP, come on! tongue4.gif
janice
Jan 31 2006, 09:53 AM
QUOTE(webjewel @ Jan 31 2006, 08:13 AM) [snapback]1049699[/snapback]

Scam of the Century!!!!! LOL

I've been paid over 12 times with this programme and within 7 days every time....and I'm sure many people have. Who knows how long it will last but that is a really idiotic comment...

im wit you on this one ive been with sp sence my beginning in oct paid 24 time with this one that will come today or tomarrow being my 25th and once in sp 2 days later its in my bank free of charge !!
ancient
Jan 31 2006, 09:54 AM
QUOTE(edatamerge @ Jan 31 2006, 12:37 PM) [snapback]1050842[/snapback]

Very intelligent post Lennie, Makes real sense



Very, Very sad
MaxWoon
Jan 31 2006, 09:54 AM
QUOTE(LennieF @ Feb 1 2006, 01:51 AM) [snapback]1051033[/snapback]

they probably only had 100,000 members when they dropped e-gold. now, with 340,000 members, those chargebacks are 3½ times more impactful.

chargebacks on those other little surfs probably don't phase them.. yet.


LennieF i love your post, its always very logical, not being affected by emotions and other elements. clapping7.gif
ancient
Jan 31 2006, 09:55 AM
QUOTE(Morphius @ Jan 31 2006, 12:53 PM) [snapback]1051060[/snapback]

Would be nice, coz it would be created for the users! Giving us what we want!

12DP, come on! tongue4.gif



That would be worse than StormPay
bro
Jan 31 2006, 09:58 AM
go pro!
Student
Jan 31 2006, 09:58 AM
QUOTE(naknook @ Jan 31 2006, 10:51 AM) [snapback]1051025[/snapback]

Maybe this will make 12DP come up with its own payment processor?


She could probably buy Studio Pay Processor cheap Lighten.gif ......... rofl4.gif
Morphius
Jan 31 2006, 09:58 AM
QUOTE(ancient @ Jan 31 2006, 05:55 PM) [snapback]1051078[/snapback]

That would be worse than StormPay


How would it be... if 12DP learnt from the mistakes made then they would know exactly how it should be run and how to make it work!

But anyway, can anyone see this happening?
GKGold
Jan 31 2006, 09:59 AM
hey people time will tell you all, he knows ewerithing!
MaxWoon
Jan 31 2006, 09:59 AM
QUOTE(tommyc @ Feb 1 2006, 01:53 AM) [snapback]1051057[/snapback]

Though that does sounds logical... but if they made a transaction to 12dp with stormpay. 12dp only returns the fund back into the payment processor that you made the upgrade with. 12dp only allowed the transition of processor from egold to either EMO or stormpay. Not stormpay to EMO. So it would be pointless for someone to make a $6,000 charge on their credit card to stormpay then do a charge back. They can tell stormpay to go censored2.gif themselves, but even if they did they would still be dealing with stormpay since the fund from 12dp was returned back to stormpay and not towards EMO... so I don't see how EMO would be involved anywhere there.. except for the reason that EMO might eventually take all the business with 12dp, away from stormpay.


Maybe u dont get the full idea of his post. Scammer charge 6k and uses SP to invest in 12DP. After 12DP returned the 144% to SP and SP pays the scammer. The scammer go to Visa / Mastercard to file chargebacks and usually wins against SP. SP gotta suffer the 6k themselves while the scammer got back his 6k to his credit card. And the 144% to himselves.
ancient
Jan 31 2006, 09:59 AM
I just went to my account settings and they have #$^*#^&#$#$#$ StormPay as my payout Goodluck for I dont have a StormPay account, this should be good.
StarCongo
Jan 31 2006, 10:01 AM
Its like everywhere I turn....
to hyip's to the forums I read, to people filing claims to freezes of Sp accounts, to NOW BLACKMAIL LOL.. I mean Cmon folks... What next with Stormpay... Id say Sp has begun to be a pain for alot of programs and costumers trying to make money. All I see is problems with SP... I can say from all this that Sp is not the way to go anymore.. We need another processor!!.. Hopefully with thought into this Charis will re open E-gold or find another gold processor... I want to stay with 12dp but I will not open a Sp account.. Sp is just making money and ripping the people off with there greed..

With all that said...

I hope Charis finds an alternative to this mess and I can stay with the program! peace.gif
MaxWoon
Jan 31 2006, 10:02 AM
QUOTE(ancient @ Feb 1 2006, 01:55 AM) [snapback]1051078[/snapback]

That would be worse than StormPay



QUOTE(Morphius @ Feb 1 2006, 01:53 AM) [snapback]1051060[/snapback]

Would be nice, coz it would be created for the users! Giving us what we want!

12DP, come on! tongue4.gif


You heard of StudioPay ? I'm afraid it will end up our money being transferred from their left hand to their right hand and in the end still doesnt end up in YOUR hand !
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