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QUOTE(joemac278 @ Nov 16 2005, 12:08 PM) Love your logic, and, I also believe, that 12DP, will go on, and, become the new standard for Autosurfs  Sorry about that they already are .gif) [right][snapback]571909[/snapback][/right] They will definetely be once we head into 06 QUOTE(kranman @ Nov 16 2005, 03:58 PM) On top of that e-mails are answered and problems are fixed. [right][snapback]571890[/snapback][/right] I applaud you for standing up for 12DP and I agree with you in all ways even down to the fact that things do get fixed....eventually. However, I do feel that really urgent things should be addressed urgently. There is a news item on the site which was posted today about people being credited for not being able to surf on the 15th. Although I agree that this may be urgent to some people, I feel that this is not as urgent as some matters which are yet to be even adressed by admin, let alone be fixed. Yes, I know they are busy and I am not bashing them, but it would be helpful that's all if they could fix the problem of upgrades that were made over 22 hours ago by e-gold which are not yet showing up in 12DP accounts. If they can't fix them for a while fine, but please someone in charge, come in here and let us know what's going on. Is this not an urgent matter? We have heard nothing from admin or anyone else about this, tickets have not yet been answered and once again some people may be too scared to post here in fear that they may get their account suspended. I seriously doubt that would happen just because you voice your opinion and if it did then I would be sorely dissappointed. I am NOT saying that 12DP don't fix every problem they come across because they do, I just think that serious issues like this should be addressed immediately and we should not all be left in the dark for such a long time. I am not a troublemaker, I love 12DP, but it's a free Country and we are all entiltled to our opinions are we not. 
QUOTE(j-ibrahim @ Nov 16 2005, 01:54 PM) paid and upgraded again  [right][snapback]571783[/snapback][/right] What date of expiry were you paid for and what payment processor since this makes a difference. Waiting on a payment to my E-Gold from an expiry Nov. 10 if anybody can tell me what date they are up to and paying.
Smooth surfing!
Hi guy, I'm waiting for my funds to go into e-gold so I can ugrade soon.
I've never used 12dailypro before but I feel confident is a safe-ish investment. I would like to know, if anyone knows, how they can sustain this system. For what I understand, with an initial $6000 investment it would take: - 2 months to recoup the amount - 1 month where the profit totals $2400 (by reinvesting the earned profit) Starting from the 4th month I would be able to always have my account topped up with three $2000 upgrades in rotation, securing me $1320 every six days. Now, that's some $5280 per month of "free" money, as it all comes from money that I received from 12DailyPro as interest, not my own "fresh" money. How can this website keep paying me 5000 bucks a month without me ever putting my own money in it again? Any ideas?
Trax777,
I was paid on a 11/9 expiration to egold yesterday. It should be your turn today assuming that the recent site problems won't affect it. It didn't affect mine. QUOTE(manula @ Nov 16 2005, 12:46 PM) Hi guy, I'm waiting for my funds to go into e-gold so I can ugrade soon. I've never used 12dailypro before but I feel confident is a safe-ish investment. I would like to know, if anyone knows, how they can sustain this system. For what I understand, with an initial $6000 investment it would take: - 2 months to recoup the amount - 1 month where the profit totals $2400 (by reinvesting the earned profit) Starting from the 4th month I would be able to always have my account topped up with three $2000 upgrades in rotation, securing me $1320 every six days. Now, that's some $5280 per month of "free" money, as it all comes from money that I received from 12DailyPro as interest, not my own "fresh" money. How can this website keep paying me 5000 bucks a month without me ever putting my own money in it again? Any ideas? [right][snapback]571972[/snapback][/right] Each unit expires in 12 days... so in order to keep making this income you must continue to upgrade and re-buy with your funds.. thus new money.. If you cash out after 12 days and move your money to another program then you won't make this income... make sense.. It is in the expiring of units and the fact you can only have 2 running at one time... in order to continue to earn you must continue to re-buy... This is much like any economy and the power of the circulation of money... QUOTE(kranman @ Nov 16 2005, 03:49 PM) Trax777, I was paid on a 11/9 expiration to egold yesterday. It should be your turn today assuming that the recent site problems won't affect it. It didn't affect mine. [right][snapback]571978[/snapback][/right] Thanks Kranman.  I would love to have my turn today. Was just wondering how it was going with the progress of payments due to the problems they had yesterday. Not sure how it would affect payments.
Manula,
Please read my post to you on page # 774. Hopefully it will answer alll your concerns
Wow...
I love kranman's explanation. Awesome!
Mazzie,
Sorry to hear about the problems with egold upgrades. Have you expressed your concerns to Charis thru e-mail or trouble ticket? I can only hope that as this program grows that customer service begins to suffer. I hope she has a plan in place to keep up with customer concerns. The upgrade issue is a big one especially if it affects you personally. QUOTE(kranman @ Nov 16 2005, 01:00 PM) Mazzie, Sorry to hear about the problems with egold upgrades. Have you expressed your concerns to Charis thru e-mail or trouble ticket? I can only hope that as this program grows that customer service begins to suffer. I hope she has a plan in place to keep up with customer concerns. The upgrade issue is a big one especially if it affects you personally. [right][snapback]572003[/snapback][/right] Sorry for the typo, I truly hope that customer service doesn't suffer. QUOTE(RQ Cash @ Nov 17 2005, 07:51 AM) Each unit expires in 12 days... so in order to keep making this income you must continue to upgrade and re-buy with your funds.. thus new money.. If you cash out after 12 days and move your money to another program then you won't make this income... make sense.. It is in the expiring of units and the fact you can only have 2 running at one time... in order to continue to earn you must continue to re-buy... This is much like any economy and the power of the circulation of money... [right][snapback]571983[/snapback][/right] Hi and thanks for your reply. My point here is that people can and will continue to buy upgrades, but they will do so with money they have already earned from 12DP. After the first 3 months all paid cycles represent a profit. People can reinvest this, but it's not really money that comes out of their pockets. Isn't it?
Has anyone figured out the chronology on payments from 12DP. It appears that Members with same day expirations have been paid days apart. I can't say for sure that anyone was paid with a later expiration was paid before and earlier one.
BTW, I'm currently waiting to be paid on a November 10th expiration.
The growth of 12dp is unbelivable, almost 110,000 members (I think the number is 109xxx) and no signs of slowing down
QUOTE(kranman @ Nov 17 2005, 07:54 AM) Manula, Please read my post to you on page # 774. Hopefully it will answer alll your concerns [right][snapback]571988[/snapback][/right] Hi kranman, thanks for your detailed reply. I can't PM, but to answer your question: yes.  QUOTE(manula @ Nov 16 2005, 05:17 PM) Hi kranman, thanks for your detailed reply. I can't PM, but to answer your question: yes. [right][snapback]572040[/snapback][/right] Well, your 2 posts away in order to pm someone. QUOTE(broach @ Nov 17 2005, 08:37 AM) Well, your 2 posts away in order to pm someone. [right][snapback]572071[/snapback][/right] Really? is the required amount 25 posts! Yeah! And now I'm one post closer
QUOTE(manula @ Nov 16 2005, 01:39 PM) Really? is the required amount 25 posts! Yeah! And now I'm one post closer [right][snapback]572073[/snapback][/right] Where are you from manula? ( lol, just one more and youŽll do it) QUOTE(kranman @ Nov 16 2005, 05:00 PM) Mazzie, Sorry to hear about the problems with egold upgrades. Have you expressed your concerns to Charis thru e-mail or trouble ticket? I can only hope that as this program grows that customer service begins to suffer. I hope she has a plan in place to keep up with customer concerns. The upgrade issue is a big one especially if it affects you personally. [right][snapback]572003[/snapback][/right] Yes a ticket was submitted at 3 am this morning, still waiting. I know that admin can take up to 72 hours to answer a ticket and in non-urgent matters that's reasonable, but this is not a non urgent matter and indeed 12DP-Adman posted on the 12DP forum on November 4th these very words. "submit a help ticket to a new temporary support dept. called Processed But Not Received. These tickets will receive priority." How long is priority? Is it still counted as 72 hours? You are correct it is a big issue and they should have addressed this much earlier. OK, if it takes some time to fix that's Ok with me, but at least acknowledge those of us who are having these problems. QUOTE(IVM @ Nov 17 2005, 08:42 AM) Where are you from manula? ( lol, just one more and youŽll do it) [right][snapback]572081[/snapback][/right] That is an interesting question, IVM ... Australia is the answer!
QUOTE(manula @ Nov 16 2005, 01:56 PM) That is an interesting question, IVM ... Australia is the answer! [right][snapback]572102[/snapback][/right] Nice country, wonderful! I am from Argentina (down here in America) You did it now! 25 ,..although IŽm not sure if you need 25 or 28 Just trying to help.  QUOTE(future @ Nov 16 2005, 09:26 PM) Heard something about someone who got $16.567 last week  He must have a great downline  [right][snapback]571844[/snapback][/right] that is huge,I recognise that I envy that person 
QUOTE(IVM @ Nov 16 2005, 11:59 PM) Nice country, wonderful! I am from Argentina (down here in America) You did it now! 25 ,..although IŽm not sure if you need 25 or 28 Just trying to help. [right][snapback]572106[/snapback][/right] it's 25 necessarly,I pm-ailed you manula.Let's check that it work for you now
QUOTE(manula @ Nov 17 2005, 05:56 AM) That is an interesting question, IVM ... Australia is the answer! [right][snapback]572102[/snapback][/right] now you can pm
wow.. what a traffic in this topic
QUOTE(IVM @ Nov 17 2005, 08:59 AM) Nice country, wonderful! I am from Argentina (down here in America) You did it now! 25 ,..although IŽm not sure if you need 25 or 28 Just trying to help. [right][snapback]572106[/snapback][/right] Argentina... muy lindo! Thanks for the help, I did need 25 posts! Gracias QUOTE(manula @ Nov 16 2005, 02:08 PM) Argentina... muy lindo! Thanks for the help, I did need 25 posts! Gracias [right][snapback]572121[/snapback][/right] Por nada (YouŽre welcome)
Paid for my 11-9 upgrade yesterday, 4 business days
 Keep up the good work 12DailyPro is top
waiting for my 11-10 payout.... so close I could taste it now LOL!
Waiting for a 11/10 payout to e-gold which I know is going to be along soon
Havent seen one i been paid since the site went back last nite has anybody been in the forum have they paid anybody today or have they stopped paying now.
QUOTE(aramis @ Nov 16 2005, 07:07 PM) Havent seen one i been paid since the site went back last nite has anybody been in the forum have they paid anybody today or have they stopped paying now. [right][snapback]572215[/snapback][/right] Why don't you go to the forum and look for yourself? 
Yes people have gotten paid today.
QUOTE(aramis @ Nov 16 2005, 03:07 PM) Havent seen one i been paid since the site went back last nite has anybody been in the forum have they paid anybody today or have they stopped paying now. [right][snapback]572215[/snapback][/right] you are right the last one "robo1968 on 15th"  QUOTE(kranman @ Nov 16 2005, 02:58 PM) I would like to respond to "manulas" post on page 767 regarding the sustainability of this program. People get hung up on the "12% a day" Your ROI is not even close to 12% a day. Let me explain. For examples sake, if you put in $1000 and surf for 12 days, you will earn a payout of $1444{$1000 of that is your initial investment or principal} which leaves you a profit of $444--not to shabby but wait, you now have to wait for up to seven days to get your money so really we are looking at a nineteen day period to earn a 44% profit. $44% divided by 19 days = 2.31% return in investment per day-- a far cry from 12%. Past autosurf history shows a 4% a day program that lasted around eight months and was sustained by primarily new money coming in at an astounding rate. I believe they had over 300,000 members when it crashed around July of this year. Why did it crash and burn? I would say for primarily three reasons: 1} 4% a day has proven to be unsustainable because the owners of these sites cannot go out and invest members money and earn any way near 4% a day which now leaves it up to new members money to subsidize their earnings. If membership slows down or their site goes down for an extended period of time , the program goes belly up 2} Excessive compounding killed 4Daily and time will tell if it proves to be the undoing of StudioTraffic. Compounding is a double edged sword for administrators of surf sites. Early in their programs they encourage members to compound because it reduces their payouts and they can go out and earn money on your money. Unfortunately, it eventuallly catches up with every program Like the Fram oil filter commercial says, "Pay me now or pay me later" Guess what, Studio Traffic members who compounded for months or years{myself included} now want our money and they don"t have enough to go around{my opinion}. 3}Poor administration will kill a program before it gets off the ground. Why do you participate in the programs that you do? Let me guess, they communicate with members and they pay their members on time, right? In summary , why is 12DailyPro sustainable for the long haul, 1}a 2.3% rate of return supported by phenomenal membership growth and additinal sources of income. Charis actually has a business plan in place to ensure the longevity of this program. 2}No compounding allowed. Members are forced to reinvest their funds again to get paid again. They can use their profits to increase their upgrade level but it is done with "new" money and not money already in the system like Studio Traffic. Why did StudioTraffic reduce their upgrade expiration from 12 months to 10 months? Are they starving for some new money? 3}12DailyPro has one of the best administrators on the net. The way the site is set up is pure genius and she pays like clockwork. On top of that e-mails are answered and problems are fixed. What a fantastic concept--make your members happy and your business will thrive and grow! [right][snapback]571890[/snapback][/right] Very well said. I couldn't have said it better. QUOTE(mcmunson43 @ Nov 16 2005, 03:12 PM) Why don't you go to the forum and look for yourself? [right][snapback]572222[/snapback][/right] Buzz off i just asked a question . Dont need you to be smart alec. If you cant answer the question than dont post.
If any body rcvd paiment for today, pls post it.
QUOTE(Lauderdale Investor @ Nov 16 2005, 10:34 AM) The last member is 108551. [right][snapback]571735[/snapback][/right] Thats cool,thanks for the info
Jeez, i was gone for one day and when i came back there were 30 pages to read
 Does anyone know what the current paid ID's are? thewird QUOTE(mikego @ Nov 17 2005, 06:57 AM) waiting for my 11-10 payout.... so close I could taste it now LOL! [right][snapback]572199[/snapback][/right] same here
In response to Aramis' question on payment -
QUOTE(now @ Nov 16 2005, 06:14 PM) Paid for my 11-9 upgrade yesterday, 4 business days Keep up the good work 12DailyPro is top [right][snapback]572133[/snapback][/right]
nice easy surf just now....
waiting on another payment and of course I`ll upgrade again at the weekend. 
Just wait my 11-11 payment
upgraded today 12dailypro is my favoruite money making & still the best thx : Sandman
got 1200 $ to day
QUOTE(RT8888 @ Nov 16 2005, 04:18 PM) same here [right][snapback]572327[/snapback][/right] Yeah, I'm waiting for 11/10 payment also. Guess there must have been a big distribution for this date. Read posts on 11/10 payment yesterday.
Ive already made a $2000 profit so far and am waiting for my latest cashout which will make my profits up to $4000
All my downlines are so happy and ecstatic! 12dp has brought a meaning to a chapter in my life. even the day I go to my grave I'm sure I will remember how 12dp gave me and my downlines financial freedom. God Bless
what you said!!!
  QUOTE(ktooken @ Nov 16 2005, 09:10 PM) Ive already made a $2000 profit so far and am waiting for my latest cashout which will make my profits up to $4000 All my downlines are so happy and ecstatic! 12dp has brought a meaning to a chapter in my life. even the day I go to my grave I'm sure I will remember how 12dp gave me and my downlines financial freedom. God Bless [right][snapback]572478[/snapback][/right]
i cant upgrade..why?
you cant upgrade if you ahve surfed for the day, need to wait until the new day come.
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