Well...until they actually scam everyone then I guess what you say can also be hearsay, right??

Zeus

So EPF got a 10 on the scale, well that makes me worried about their "valuation" since I can see that MMG has put them in the "Closed, Inactive & Offline programs" folder.
And this one only got a 7 ?
Well I don't have to deside now if I want to join or not, I think I can wait another 6-7 years and still make it with the new rules

lets work hard

Actually, the burden of proof is on them, considering the vast number of scams on the internet. This "we can't reveal anything because we'll jeopardize the process" nonsense is of course what numerous verifiable scams have claimed in the past.

How do we protect ourselves from scams?

There has to be a way for us to determine with reasonable certainty which of the RPPs (if any) are truly legitimate versus the ones which are scams.

If we wait until after we pay, and after the program closes, by that time it will be too late for us to do anything because if the program is a scam, then they will just take the money and run with it.

There has to be a way for us to determine the legitimacy of programs before we pay.

netinfo

Well... That's true but it's still your decision to join whether they have undeniable proof or not. They could have all the proof you want and still scam you like any other online or offline (Brick and Mortar) opportunity. No matter what it is, it will alway be a 50/50 shot so set yourself up for a "loss" so that you won't be surprised by a "loss" but can be very surprised by a "win".

Zeus

But the fact remains, the less proof and information one has to provide, the more easily one can maintain a scam.

Mistake

And the fact remains that it's still a 50/50 shot any which way you want to see it. Nothing is certain (except death, If you're born, you will die, not trying to sound morbid).

Zeus

I know of only one way, but it IS foolproof:

1. Leave this forum and all others like it. Never, ever return!

2. Refrain from Googling internet money-making opportunities.

Absolutely right!! This is not an arena for the "faint at heart", this is for the "open and like minded risk takers!! There is no sure fire way to not get scammed unless you do like RaPPeR says.


Zeus

Oh, there has got to be a way in online business to shield ourselves from scams. Sure, we'll fall into some if we are not careful enough, but I would think there are ways to minimize ourselves from falling into scams.

By the way, by scams, I am not referring to honest companies that do not make it in the business world due to lack of business skills.

netinfo




There is a difference between risk-taking people and gullible people. One can be a risk-taker while being cautious from falling into scams.

netinfo

NI, you ask some good questions and I wish I had better news for you, but the hard fact is that IF you participate in money-making "opportunities" on- or offline, no matter how careful you think you're being, you WILL fall into at least one scam along the way. Probably more, because it's estimated (conservatively, IMHO) that 99.9% are, to put it kindly, "less than legitimate."

DD is useless as it can be so easily faked. Good intentions are impossible to ascertain. You've heard of HYIP monitors? The ones who claim to be looking out for you? Most of them are actually paid by the HYIP's to categorize and publicize the HYIP as "paying!"

You don't have to be less than intelligent or uneducated to be taken, either. The "Architects of Wine" victims included a large percentage of physicians.

"Good judgment comes from experience, and experience is the result of bad judgment."

It's for these reasons and more that "they" say never to gamble more than you can afford to lose. And again, I'm sorry you don't like it, but this playground is not a welcoming place for the risk-averse. Welcome to the School of Hard Knocks!

P.S. I suspect that those who don't lose their shirts are living proof that it's better to be lucky than smart.

Member count 11,283
Contract count 56,831

netinfo
There is a difference between risk-taking people and gullible people. One can be a risk-taker while being cautious from falling into scams.

netinfo
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Although I somewhat agree with that statement, it's hard for me to see "Risk Taker" and "Cautious" in the same sentence. It doesn't seem to fit. I can see a risk taker be gullible but a Cautious Risk Taker?? Hmmm.
I think what RaPPeR says is correct.

Also I think that a good defense to reduce your chances of being scammed is not to put your heart and soul into one program or investment. Diversification is your best defense!!

Zeus

Thank you produceguy. I surely did get carried away with hijacking the thread, didn't I?

registered users 11,386


contract count 57,206

Well...at least it continues to grow. I'll most likely show up in this thread every month or so unless something changes with their imposed limit.

Zeus

member count: 11,415

contract count: 57,096

Hi,

How many members is till today...

Bojan

member count: 11,420

contract count: 57,110...and now, back to your regular programming

Hi,

I am not quite sure on this program... I have to wait a little wile, before I will convinse my self to invest...

Bojan

I am really confused on this, the goal is 150,000 contracts, they have currently 57,110 contracts leaving a balance needed of 92,890. If they can only have 1,000 contracts per
month, it will take nearly 93 months or 8 YEARS to complete?????????? Does this make
sense or am I missing something??

No Lex you are correct on your calculation...I believe this "set contract" per month is holding up alot of people from buying contracts. I know I am waiting until they can clear the air on a decision, or an agreement. there is a rumor that they may have something towards the end of the year, beginning of the new year. For those in PWW and prospective holders I hope they do reconfigure it.

Nitro

Dear Members,

Payouts
All payouts (e-Bullion) are done and booked. If you did not receive a payment, please check your profile. Below is an overview how the
entry in your profile has to be in order to receive a payment for the commission.



Payouts e-Bullion

* Payout type is on e-Bullion
* In the line account you must enter the account number, only the account number and nothing else.
* Do not enter any more information in the line for the account like e-mail and number etc.


Please remember, the payouts are done automatically. If your data is not correct in the profile you will not receive any funds on December 01th, 2007.



Best Regards


Your Support-Team
PWW4YOU MY Question how is this going to be done by Dec 1st, if the amount of contracts is not even reached , does anyone have any info, or what do you think?? Cheers Lighthouse

The payout refers to the commission bonuses deposited into your ecurrency acct. when you sponsor someone. These bonuses can accumulate to the point that one can buy more contracts. There is nothing to get excited about, except that it moves the program along. Zeus feels that at the current rate of registration, pww should close in 8 years.(if there are no changes.) Others can elaborate more, hope this helps.

UMMM! Will watch this on, despite being moved to close/inactive file

All members are now paid ?

Why is PWW in the closed area when it's in the same position as ALL the other reverse pension plans?

The site is up. Thats the same as the others.

None of them have paid -

I agree and this one is at least paying the referral bonus. Some others aren't doing anything!!!




I agree and this one is at least paying the referral bonus. Some others aren't doing anything!!!




I agree and this one is at least paying the referral bonus. Some others aren't doing anything!!!

pww has reduced the target payout to 85,000 from 150,000 contracts. And, 5,000 contracts are allowed to be sold per month.

Hello produceguy,

I have had this info for a few days now hence my PM to you about how to reopen a closed forum. Anyway my plan is to start posting here like you and then as more activity in terms of posts is seen, hopefully the moderator will move this forum to the active file. Or faling that we can contact them via the "report" button and ask them to move this forum to the active program file.

I have written a detailed update about the current position with PWW4YOU including all the new enhancements to the program, this I have posted seperately.

Keep posting!

PWW4YOU IS BACK - & NOW ACCEPTING 5,000 SIGN-UPS PER MONTH!

PWW4YOU is now back after resolving all outstanding issues with the insurance regulators who previously limited their sign-ups to only 1,000 per month.

They also now have a new Trust Partner and after many months of negotiations both with them and the insurance regulators. They now have a deal which allows PWW4YOU to proceed forward with the potential of closing by the end of 2008.

As from the 27th of May 2008 the now greatly enhanced PWW4YOU program offers the following:

1: All those who purchased multiple contracts of more than 10 prior to July 2007. Will not now as previously stated have their extra contracts deleted in order to conform to the maximum of 10 contracts per person rule, as per the German insurance regulators requirements.

Instead those members with extra contracts over and above 10 will now be able to keep those extra contracts. Meaning that it is ALL their pre July 2007 contracts that will now form part of their “total contract count”, and it is on this contract count that the member's lump-sum compensation payment (US$75,000 per contract) will be calculated.

Anyone purchasing contracts after July 2007 are subject to the current regulators rule of no more than 10 contracts per member.

2: Form May the 1st 2008 those who want to purchase multiple contracts can purchase a maximum of 10 per member, as per insurance regulators stipulation.

3: The new total number of contracts required for PWW4YOU to close is 85,000. But as they currently have around 58,000. This means they only need approx. 27,000 to closeout the program.

4: The maximum number of sign-ups they can accept per month has now finally been negotiated upwards to 5,000 per month (from the previous 1,000). So IF PWW4YOU were to hit this monthly target starting form say June 2008. Then this program could theoretically be closed by Nov this year or at least by the end of 2008.

PWW4YOU have been quietly negotiating for many, many months with their new Trust Partners and the insurance regulators in Germany. This was all in order to get a higher number of sign-ups being allowed to be accepted each month. From the regulators previously crippling limit of only 1,000 sign-ups per month, which slowed it’s previous exponential rate of growth down to a crawl. However, PWW4YOU now have in place all the tools we need as members to get this transaction closed potentially by the end of the year.

Another interesting fact to consider is that if PWW4YOU were a scam. They would probably not be (as they have been doing up to now) placing limits of no more than 1,000 sign-ups per month on their program, thereby effectively sabotaging their own monthly sign-up rate. Scammers for obvious reasons want as many sign-ups as possible per month and so they do not restrict them.

PWW4YOU by contrast have indeed over many, many months imposed these unwanted restrictions, purely to comply with the insurance regulators rules placed on them. However, due to their tenacity and working with a new Trust Partner, they have now re-negotiated with their insurance regulators a much better deal for all members to allow the program to proceed unimpeded, just as they said they would do. The rest is now up to us.

So to those who are already members you may want to revert back to regularly checking your back office “systemnews” sections for these and future updates, and don’t forget to tell your down-lines, friends, family and associates. Those who are not yet members may want to take this opportunity to visit the website, sign-up, and perhaps start to invite others to do the same.

Lets re-start the ‘feeding frenzy’ that originally fuelled PWW4YOU's previous exponential rate of growth, so that we as members can all receive our much deserved financial benefits by closing it out this year!

I think its time to move this thread out of the closed area.
MMG-admins, please do your job.

For future reference:

Next time you want a thread moved just hit the report button and ask.

This program is not closed yet. There's no reason to move to the closed section yet.


Zeus

Thank you Moderator,

Will do next time.

Keep dreaming. I'm amazed at the number of gullible people who believe in this crap.

All of the "Reverse Pension Plans" are absolute scams. The sooner you understand this the sooner you will stop feeding these crooks. See my related MMG post....

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Global-Pens...55#entry4881592

PWW4YOU have today sent out an official update email to all to its registered members. Check your inbox for the full details.

The current number of Registered Users is 11,893, the current number of Signed Contracts is 57,984.

Looks like they're looking to close by the end of this year. I personally don't think so but it would be cool if we could all make it happen.



Zeus

More than 58000 today, admin has always been responsive even when it closed for a while ,will it pay out who knows,

The fact that they are now insurance regulator approved and the admin is responsive are all good signs that if the target is met we can close it out this year, but the 'big hitters' need to get behind it too.

Let;s see. There 58000 members and they will each be paid $75000. The total payout is....


$4,350,000,000

FOUR BILLION, THREE HUNDRED FIFTY MILLION

You dreamers that believe in this garbage have much to learn!

One person's garbage is another person's treasure!!


Zeus

You and the others that promote this nonsense are part of the problem.
I guess it does not matter to you that not a single one of the "pension
programs" has paid out.

While I'm here, I would like to wish all the Fathers here a Happy Father's Day!!


Zeus

11978 users and 58186 contracts as of today 3rd July 2008

They are making progress but very slow. Although they have they potential to close out by the end of this year, I think realistically it will take them 1 1/2 yrs. to get to the 85,000 policies sold unless they get some sort of rally going to try to sell these last policies.


Zeus

The email you all received was written by me as way of trying to make sure all members knew about the positive changes PWW4YOU now offer, as a kind of "call to action".

The email was my suggestion only and they took me up on it, so this shows that they are receptive to ideas from members as to how to get "some sort of a rally going".

Remember they have worked long an hard to overcome some major issues. These issues are all now resolvesd and as things stand they are effectively insurance regulator approved to proceed with what they are doing. As memtioned in the "call to action" email they have provided us with all the necessary tools now, so in reality, the rest is up to us.

If we get behind it, they can close by Dec 2008, but it is self evident that the big hitters don't appear to be grabbing the bull by the horns.

So if you or any other members have any suggestions as to how to get a rally going, do drop them a line and if they can impliment your suggestion, they probably will.

Very Cool, Panther2,

I myself have been promoting it as best I can in many of the "Surf Sites" that I'm a part of and some free traffic sites as well. If there are any members out there that are a part of surf sites or any other form of advertising sites, please add PWW4YOU into your advertising regiment.


Zeus