I think that is the risk with any program anyone joins like these and it is the risk we agree to take by giving them our money. This is why we do not put more in than we can afford to lose.

My understanding of the payout time frame is 6-8 weeks after close of the program PROVIDED you get your paperwork in to them.

6-8 weeks ?? Hmmm..Seem to good to be true,The RPP which closed earlier in the 6 month ago also stated like this,From the info I got of one my friends,they said the admin starting giving to much excuses that make no senses at all,and they try to blame their member for this cases.Be careful and I bet they wont paid till the end of july before GPP & PWW close their program,Just see

And is the same Admin running that program running GPP or PWW?

Each one is run from different countries and different contact points.

Anticipated close out for each program is different. GPP is anticipated to close Aug and PWW is anticipated to close Oct - Dec timeframe.

Now current word is PWW will close almost immediately as soon as it reopens as there are some big players ready to buy big blocks of contracts.

Payouts won't begin for 6-8 weeks AFTER the program actually closes. So, IF a program closes 31 Aug the earliest a payout would begin would be mid Oct to late Oct. Depending on how they process the payments, first purchase first paid, I don't know. Some of it will depend on how soon each contract holder returns the requisite paperwork also.

Who knows, again, don't put anymore in than you are willing to leave sitting on the table. This way if you don't count on it, you won't miss it. View it as a night out on the town. If you go to a casino and leave $50, are you going to to be upset over it? If you are, stay home and stay out of those places. Same difference.

You cannot save people from themselves. Now if there were some obvious red flags on the DD you have done and make the decision to not play in that ballpark, that is fine.

But why are you so worried about what others have done and the risk that individual takes? If you haven't ventured into the waters, you are not at risk for a shark bite are you? Why worry? Why all the questions? Why such a downer outlook? Why even post if you are not a part of the party?

Now if you are a part of the party, did you not do some DD before you joined in on the party? If you didn't, then that is on you. If you did, then you should feel comfortable with your research and decision.

Coming out here on the board and continually warning everyone is not going to accomplish anything. If we lose our money, then we lose. If we win, we win.

Thank you very much for the clarification littleone1110!

Most welcome.... I don't think there is going to really be anything new until Monday and then we'll see how it goes........

I am on the conference call right now and at this time there is no new news.

It is believed they are back in the negotiating phase with the people they are needing to get everything back in order and that it will be back up. They are not giving a timeframe at this time. The program will move rapidly to close once it reopens.

Ok Thank you for the update littleone1110,

I'll await your further word.

YES PLEASE KEEP US INFORMED I AM READY TO BUY A FEW CONTRACTS...ANY NEWS NEWS WILL BE HELPFUL...was any additional info given at the online conference?...they seem to be kicking people out of the conference forum if they are not memebers off pww4you because they reuire pww4you member ids when logging in
thanks

Nitro

Yep, they kick you out if you don't meet the login requirements.

There is an update in the back office so be sure to log in and read it.

Have your funds in the e-bullion and keep an eye on the site for when it comes up because it is going to close just as quick as it opens back up because they do have some folks about to buy up the rest of the contracts.

THE $$ IS IN THE E-BULLION ACCOUNT READY TO GO, JUST CONTACTED ZEUS AND HE IS GOING TO KEEP ME INFORMED, AS WELL I CHECK THE SITE EVERYDAY

Best of Luck, Nitro

Yes they has given a time frame in which they will pay out on the teleconferences. If you were a member then I would tell you to listen in on the teleconference to hear it with your own ears but since you are not a member, you are not privy to that information.

For those that are members, they have discussed this issue on the teleconferences, so be sure to listen in when you have the opportunity.

Well I made a few $$ in good places and decided to buy into all three pension plans, but even that said, I am pretty convinced they will not pay, but will be very, very surprised if they do..
Hope they do!! is all I can say.. Money, I could afford to loose, so will wait and see..

Same here,,

I cannot shake off this nagging doubt from the back of my mind -

Why would a large investor be sitting on the sidelines waiting to scoop up the remaining contracts?

If they have the money for an unlimited number of contracts, then why not just buy them?

Isn't this a really good way to encourage people to leap in and buy for fear there will be none left?

.......and then the mystery buyer either doesn't appear

.......or the actual number of contracts sold is reduced

Call me a cynic

CYNIC !

I am still considering gambling some money hare as/when they do re-open, but these doubts are certainly annoying!

Because these investors have to wait just like the rest of us.

It is more than one buyer because there is a limit on how many contracts one individual can purchase.

Yeah... I heard that you can purchase up to 25,000 contracts!! That's a whole lot of Pina Coladas!!!


Zeus

This was said of one well informed member on the last conference for PWW "... 27 yers ago wal-mart did a Traded Endowement Policy (TEP) for each of their employes and it paid out ... the employes did not quit... "

Just a note to those who probably believe that this is 'Too Good to be true' and to those who have already signed up but may feel in need of a little reassurance.

The Traded Endowment Policy scenario is known and legitimate in the real world. Now the Internet has made it available on a large scale, as sponsors of these schemes can enrol tens of thousands of beneficiaries online.

BTW the online conference is good to go for anyone who have questions or just like to listening, ask a friend for invitations

They have not change the link for the room... but for you in PWW not saved the link
its available, ask your sponsor, the sponsor is paid for assist you

If you dont understand how this Endowment Policys works, and is interesting to find out more go to my webpage http:// www. freewebs DOT com/reverse-pension-plans/ and read more about how it works

If youre in for more than one contracts in PWW just go to the function maintaine contract
and buy, than go back to the same function and use your unusued contracts for your self or anyone else

Use the option to build in the deepht cause evryone in your organization will benefits from this approach

I do have beleivie in all the 3 RPPs approved of MIB, and since i find out its for real, its doable, also high probability we will be paid.

I'm quietly reassured that all of those 3 will continue to work towards the targets they have set. Traceble payments is a much larger issue than most people have realised.

Keep our fingers crossed and hope that things will go well for the good RPP programs avaiable -so they can do their work without outer disturbance and hunting after - and for us normal people trying to grow our wealth!!!

Hi wallstreet

How would you like to maintain an extra position for me and I will pay you back?
Thanks

jonsee

Has anyone in the know heard of any updates recently?

Last I heard was possibly within the next week.

Can you advise what was the source where you heard this i.e. was it from an offical PWW source such as Dieter?

Thanks

It was announced on another board by an individual that seems to have a little more direct information than the rest of us.

The source sounds a bit vague, but thanks.

Teleconferences tomorrow (Wednesday) at the following times..........

Wednesday 9pm EST / 2 GMT / 3 MEZ
Wednesday 11pm EST / 4 GMT / 5 MEZ

You can get the teleconference link and password from your upline.




Wallstreet I appreciate all the hard work you put into your site to help inform the undereducated/uneducated people of this arena.

If those that don't understand these type programs would take time to read the information you have provided them there, it should be crystal clear..

Thanks

can you keep us informed on whats going on or what your able to tell us, i hear maybe the end of this week,maybe next week ? zeus i know you are on top of things can you email me ,if you lost my email PM me over at Golden Talk

Much Appreciated

Nitro

I wasn't able to hear the teleconference on Monday. There were audio difficulties etc. I think the room was TOO FULL and the servers were having trouble handling everyone.....

If I can get in on the conference today, I'll post what I can.

Hi Nitro,

No Problem and I apologize for not keeping up but as soon as I get an Update, I shall post it here. I didn't listen to the conference call last night so I'm going to try for tomorrow. Stay Tuned.


Zeus



Mokie,

Thank you very much for signing up under me.

Zeus

Did anyone listen to the conference calls or have an update.

Has any of these things ever paid?

Hi surfntrade,

There will be a conference call tonight from a gentleman named Gary Holmes regarding these RPP's. As far as paying out, none of these RPP's have met their target yet.


Zeus

Well How do you mean jonsee
contact me and explain

Thanks emeraldeyes

posted this in another forum and post it here as well
Dear readers I can tell you i refused GPP from the early beginning. In fact i got an invitation to GPP think it was in early may 2005, but didn’t even reflect about it, at that time - the fee was so low and the promised pay out so high! Well I have to confess I avoid discovery and without any investigations at all, i decided ....“to good to be true” (i whish i have done some attempt to discover more) …
well some circumstances lead me to do my investigation and to explore some in the area of TEP and RPP and at least, in the end of 2006 i found it doable and a high probability to be paid from those Im in. Also I find out for me there is no meaning to ague with no sayers but reasonable sceptical is for me a good quality. Anyway, like in all other areas people have different experience of life, and the personal map of references, in various contexts in life, form different point of views. If we belongs the group of fatalists, well life it self could be seen as a game. But on the other hand it can also be seen as an adventure of experience and learning. The view as we are our own creators demands, as I se it, a much deeper understanding of how this relatively new scientific discovery’s works, especially for us living a modern west orientated culture. I have no need for convincing others to take my part of view but I as I think everyone prefer to discuss with cooperative and likeminded people

I had a wise mentor once said to me it’s easier to work for something than against. Thanks Michael for pointed out… A very simple example like this can illustrate the meaning in this: Once up on a time mother Theresa was asked to join a protest against war, she answered no thanks, but if you ask me to join for peace I will accept.
I have found it waist of time to use my energy to stubborn nay sayers, fanatics with out flexibility or just talk for the talk, like waste your pearls for the pigs they don’t appreciate it for what it is. In the same way I do prefer to show my appreciation of what I like instead of expressions of what I dislike. I think cultivation of a positive atmosphere of recognition and acceptance do more of good for everyone involved. I do not either have needs to win a discussion for its own sake, the process of reflecting further is for me much more of worth and very strongly so in comparison with dictator manners

In requests about how the money will be paid there is a lot of information in the forum and available at the conferences so every grown up have to do some home lessons to. There is no problem to take the money to a bank account at home just inform the bank about an incoming greater sum and pay the taxes as normal or do some research about offshore (OS) and even about serious offshore banks (OSB), for some people the latest is enough but it depend on what each person wants and have needs for. So this is the fist to be clear of… what do you want? I can promise there is a solution for everything.

Normally an account in a serious and trusted offshore banks is for many expensive to found around 100k euro as far as im aware of but under my explorations I have found some company who gives options for smaller investors and even students. For those who like read some more in my webpage about this area. Be aware of this is in areas its not recommended to talk very openly cause most people is taking care of the privacy and the meaning of the word protection is a good to use here. So do your own investigations or contact a professional in the area. I have for an example a friend who is working with setting up OS from what he’s customers have needs for, and its mostly very rich of money persons, but you have to pay for being a client even in this area as well as in others professionals. If you find out you don’t have the knowledge to do it by your self it could be very worth the money for a professionals help. If so be please aware of the difference in professionals along the continuum in a scale if integrity, and go for the good one.

Anyway I don’t discuss or write more open than whats already done in my page or in this area here or in anyone else open area as well as with strangers.
There are a lot of resources even on the internet. Those who search will find and the teaching comes when the adept is ready to learn.
At least I have as I think is the same for many others a full time demanding work to do, some other interests besides and I have found time in attempt to understand aspects in this area and I think anyone else can do the same. We all know some people have need for more help and we can all experience this in the thought of new areas and abroad has crossed my mind and we can help each other with a helping hand in various ways, but over helping or expecting others to do your lessons for you does not serve any lasting of learning and growth and as I see it, its to take each ones owns responsibility out of their life.

GPP -located in Lichtenstein - have their own bank and said they provide with an offshore bank account and a card linked to this. Also I have heard a family can use one bank account if they prefer to do so

PWW4YOU - located in Germany, - have said on the conference they will pay out to what ever account we repost as were we like the money m but for people with more than one contracts, Dieter highly recommend OS and for me - as I have understood so far- it’s the one who probably will pay out first but its not open for new members ATM of this writings.
On the conference yeaterday Dieter said probably nex week ... be ready with your ebullons


HCI25 I think will do the same but we have some more time here to wait what will be announced.I will go for the Cina projekt in HCI25 since i have fiends paid from their russia project - very good return

About Ebullon in generall read this artickle by Mark

Take care for your money

BTW I phoned to this bank OS in Luxembourgh - in the beginning of the week since i found out they dont only provide traditional Offshore Bank Card ( normally you have to deposit at least 100kEuro )
they also gives options for students as well as a card for less desposit than above

worth take a look i think


"love peopleand use money, do not love money and use people "

Hopefully there is some good news at todays conference that you members will be able to share. I have been impatiently waiting for them to open the sign ups back up so i could scoop up a couple of contracts before they go ahead and let the big buyers in. hopefully everything is getting back on track.

Best of luck, Nitro

On the call now....

Still don't know exactly when the program will come back up yet possibly 4 weeks based on what Dieter just said on the conference call. This is partially due to the fact that this is holiday season where the program is based.

It is anticipated that the program will close in less than 4 weeks once it does reopen.

If you don't have your funds in place, you may want to do so.

Thanks for that info, emeraldeyes.
I've been wanting to get on that conference call but I don't have the link to it. The only thing I have is the password.

EDIT: I take that back. I just found the link in my 2nd hard drive on my computer so the next time, I shall try to join in.

Zeus

WOW!! 4 WEEKS , seriously i have antz in my pants waiting on this..hahaha e-bullion is eating my money i just sent more in to cover what was deducted...in hope that they will be back up before next fees are due at end of the month. oh well just have to wait i guess...any new info update us please, or zeus if you get anything u cant post e-mail me, you've been great with the info. thanx buddy !

Nitro

You got it, Nitro


Zeus

LOL!!! Nitro toooo funny, but I know the feeling..........

I need the PWW info also and How do you think between PWW & EPF ??

from my point of view no doubt at all
I have very good inofficial info more than i Post in forums or any where else where anyone can read

tacke care everybody its only some patient needed for now

untill the we can work on some other good stuffs

Just checked the back office. There is a new message.

They are doing profile data validation that are requested by the officials.

Please login and read the whole message.

I am in both programs in addition to 2 others.........

Current conference going right now..........

The moderator is still projecting 4 more weeks and still feels like the program will close in less than 4 weeks of it reopening.

Hi wallstreet,

I cant reply your PM because I dont have enough post,if you interest with the private program that I am offer,Kindly sent your inquiry below the signature email


Thanks

Yes, and to add to that, once the investors gobble up the bulk of the contracts,
there will only be between 5-7000 contracts left and they feel that they will be gone within a week.


Zeus

That conference room wont work on this computer.. what is the latest on getting this opened again, since last I heard all the contracts were canceled?

Thanks.. anyone who has been listeneing in there.

Hello Emeraldeyes,

As a member of PWW whose policies have all now been cancelled, can you clarify for me whether if PWW are permitted to re-open by the insurance regulators, whether those of us who have already purchased multiple policies, will have those policies re-instated, or will we (if they reopen) have our contract purchase count set back to zero, so that we have to re-purchase those policies again from scratch, someone mentioned that they will be re-instated but I just want to double check?

Thank you.

As far as I know (I haven't been told anything different by my upline or heard on the conference calls) everything will stay in place and move forward once it reopens.

The funds are there, I can't think of any reason why any of us would have to re-purchase (spend more money for what we already have in place). Potentially WE could lose all the funds with PWW if they DON'T get the problem fixed because this program does not have a refund policy as some of the others do. That is the gamble we all took when we signed up with this particular program. I personally am not heavily vested in this particular program.

Now when it will reopen is anyone's guess, the moderator doesn't even know the answer to that magic question. He has been stating a week, 10 days, 4 weeks for OVER 3 weeks now. Europe is on vacation so don't look for it to open before August (strictly IMHO).

I have moved on to other programs while this one is idling. This way I don't have e-bullion eating any of my funds for service charges or maintenance fees. I keep it all moving along so I can spend it instead of someone else spending it for me.



I believe PWW will get their act together sooner or later, right now it is just a matter of when which is anyone's GUESS. They were also saying that once verification is done, possibly 40 days for payout.

So if we use the information from the conference call, 4 weeks to reopen (which would be August) up to 4 weeks to finish it out (which would be September) figure at least 30 days for verification (which would be October) then another 40 days for payout, that makes it at least December or later before we see anything with this particular program depending on how quickly they move the money and what sequence they pay us.



Also, ANOTHER thing to remember with PWW, they don't have a banking solution with this particular program either like some of the other programs. This could also SLOW down the payouts. So start figuring out a banking solution if you don't have one already or with one of the other programs that has one and hope it pays out first before PWW so it is in place.

Thank you for your clarifications emeraldeyes.

hi wallstreet,

again,I cant sent the info to your email,below email is not belong to me,you must sent by yourself


Thanks

Hi all!

I would like to know if admin of the PWW still is promoting weekly conferences for the members? I am a member of the PWW, but I lost link of access
the conference… In case that still she is being carried through this conference, somebody can send me link of access through a p.m.?

Thanks

Traderbrasil