QUOTE(EagleOne @ Nov 11 2007, 04:46 PM) [snapback]4483250[/snapback]
Thanks for the reply, and appreciate your comments. By asking what is RC and TG I was wanting to know what RC and TG stood for. Sorry for not making myself understood.
TG= TALKGOLD.COM/FORUM RC= rolclub.com
They are concentration camps and cults.....no...ill let you judge the forums.
Nitro
EagleOne
Nov 11 2007, 04:25 PM
QUOTE(NITRO3 @ Nov 11 2007, 03:15 PM) [snapback]4483336[/snapback]
TG= TALKGOLD.COM/FORUM RC= rolclub.com
They are concentration camps and cults.....no...ill let you judge the forums.
Nitro
Thanks for letting me know what the initials RC and TG stood for, as well as your thoughts on the forums. Now all I have to do is find them and read. I think this is going to be an interesting read based on what you have said.
While my question might be answered once I read these forums, I can't help but wonder why or how they could distort the truth about any program, if indeed this is what they do according to what many of you have been saying. Guess I will soon find out.
EagleOne
Nov 11 2007, 11:54 PM
Chicosan: I finally was able to find the Talk Gold forum, or I should say TG, for this program, but I did not see your posts. Since you said you were no longer posting there, I was surprised when I could not find one post of yours. What am I missing?
dianne44
Nov 12 2007, 09:39 AM
QUOTE(EagleOne @ Nov 11 2007, 11:54 PM) [snapback]4483820[/snapback]
Chicosan: I finally was able to find the Talk Gold forum, or I should say TG, for this program, but I did not see your posts. Since you said you were no longer posting there, I was surprised when I could not find one post of yours. What am I missing?
Newsletter 16 is out. Numbers are moving slowly. Dianne
bote
Nov 12 2007, 10:23 AM
QUOTE(dianne44 @ Nov 12 2007, 01:39 PM) [snapback]4484807[/snapback]
Newsletter 16 is out. Numbers are moving slowly. Dianne
Kinda disappointing. Been a year. I just signed up recently. Tried to purchase two more contract. E-gold said the account were blocked. Send email to support RE: this issue. No answer. Thatsure is poor customer support service. SIGH!!!!
EagleOne
Nov 12 2007, 11:06 AM
Chicosan: I finally had a chance to read the comments made at RC regarding this program. To say the least quite an interesting exchange of comments. Much more so than on TG regarding this program. To say the posts were "lively" would be a gross understatement.
Having said this, there is an issue that I am still unclear on, and would appreciate your comments. This has to do with the two gentlemen who are running this program. I reviewed the website (old and new) especially regarding their bio's since that was the main point of contention. Both gentlemen clearly state they graduated from Johnson & Wales University with degrees in financial managment with honors. Yet when this information was checked out by LynnRE, he/she said the university had no record of their attendance. To me this is a very easy thing to prove or disprove. What really confused me is that you seemed to be alluding they may have used a different name when attending the university, thus why they did not appear on the university's roles as having attended or graduated. Why would they use a different name than their own, or was the different name their real names? I found this very curious, and to be honest quite troubling.
It is troubling to me in this regard: If they truly are Stallings-Blash and Steinbad-Holst as stated on the website, why would they attend an university under another name? If they attended the univesity under another name (assuming that is their real names), then why would they not use that name (their real names) on the website? This gets quite confusing. Hope you can clear this up for me.
My reason for directing these questions to you is because you are the only one who has had experience with this type of investment, and you are the one who was discussing this on the RC forum. I still didn't see any comments by you at TG on this program. Not sure why since I read all the pages.
chicosan
Nov 12 2007, 11:56 AM
QUOTE(EagleOne @ Nov 12 2007, 11:06 AM) [snapback]4484962[/snapback]
Chicosan: I finally had a chance to read the comments made at RC regarding this program. To say the least quite an interesting exchange of comments. Much more so than on TG regarding this program. To say the posts were "lively" would be a gross understatement.
It is troubling to me in this regard: If they truly are Stallings-Blash and Steinbad-Holst as stated on the website, why would they attend an university under another name? If they attended the univesity under another name (assuming that is their real names), then why would they not use that name (their real names) on the website? This gets quite confusing. Hope you can clear this up for me.
My reason for directing these questions to you is because you are the only one who has had experience with this type of investment, and you are the one who was discussing this on the RC forum. I still didn't see any comments by you at TG on this program. Not sure why since I read all the pages.
All I can tell you for sure is that the 2 gentlemen involved in HCI did graduate from that University. As for my posting at RC and TG.....I was banned from both because I was getting too close to revealing just what the real hidden agendas are. I do not inend to discuss this any further at this time. Most, if not all, of my posts there ave been removed by them.
EagleOne
Nov 12 2007, 12:35 PM
QUOTE(chicosan @ Nov 12 2007, 11:56 AM) [snapback]4485027[/snapback]
All I can tell you for sure is that the 2 gentlemen involved in HCI did graduate from that University. As for my posting at RC and TG.....I was banned from both because I was getting too close to revealing just what the real hidden agendas are. I do not inend to discuss this any further at this time. Most, if not all, of my posts there ave been removed by them.
I appreciate your reply, but I assure you your posts on RC have not been deleted. In regard to my question, and your statement they did indeed graduate from that University, here is the exchange I am talking about. I have bolded your responses to this question for clarification purposes:
LynnRE: I wasn't the one who said they were not graudates of Johnson & Wales, the school did. emphasis mine for clarification purposes only.
Your response: What names do you think they registered with?
LynnRE: I merely stated what they so state on their website. This is no my opinion, it is FACT.
Your response: Just because they stated something in their website does not necessarily make it a fact.
LynnRE: I wasn't the one claiming they graudated with honors from Johnson & Wales, but I was the one who received confirmation they didn't not only not graduate with honors, but didn't even attend. So, if they did, please prove it because the school says they didn't.
Your response: It's quite possible that they attended under a different name.
Hope you can now see my dilemma. But this raised another question of significance: Since when does someone stating something on their website not have to be a fact? Doesn't that imply that everything could not be factual? How are you supposed to know which is fact and which is not? To me that is a very troubling statement on your part. Also from what I was told, you were not banned on RC, you chose not to continue to post, which you also said here earlier was the case. Totally confused.
kandyland
Nov 12 2007, 12:54 PM
EagleOne: Why are you grilling Chicosan, its not his program. He already said he was done talking about it. Let's move on. Anyone thinking of joining the new program mentioned in their latest newsletter? I like the idea of it but I don't like the fact that your money will be locked in for almost a year.
EagleOne
Nov 12 2007, 01:31 PM
QUOTE(kandyland @ Nov 12 2007, 12:54 PM) [snapback]4485135[/snapback]
EagleOne: Why are you grilling Chicosan, its not his program. He already said he was done talking about it. Let's move on. Anyone thinking of joining the new program mentioned in their latest newsletter? I like the idea of it but I don't like the fact that your money will be locked in for almost a year.
I was not grilling, as you put it, I was merely asking questions for clarification. As to why I was asking Chicosan, he/she is the one who stated he/she knew all about these programs, as well as the people involved. I have yet to see anyone else post anything here that claims the same knowledge and expertise as chicosan. I just found the exchange troublesome and confusing. If chicosan elects not to answer, so be it. I just thought there would be a rational explanation, but I guess not. Sometimes silence says far more than a reply.
bouchier
Nov 12 2007, 11:55 PM
QUOTE(chicosan @ Nov 12 2007, 11:56 AM) [snapback]4485027[/snapback]
All I can tell you for sure is that the 2 gentlemen involved in HCI did graduate from that University. As for my posting at RC and TG.....I was banned from both because I was getting too close to revealing just what the real hidden agendas are. I do not inend to discuss this any further at this time. Most, if not all, of my posts there ave been removed by them.
I must say I do have serious doubts about these qualifications. The North Miami campus was only founded in 1992 and the President, Mr. McGregor, who did so, has no knowledge of either of these people. Very troubling.
magiciansmate
Nov 13 2007, 12:41 AM
QUOTE(bouchier @ Nov 12 2007, 11:55 PM) [snapback]4485765[/snapback]
I must say I do have serious doubts about these qualifications. The North Miami campus was only founded in 1992 and the President, Mr. McGregor, who did so, has no knowledge of either of these people. Very troubling.
Not exactly a confidence boost is it ? Chicosan say's they are qualifield, perhaps they have lied to him ?
kandyland
Nov 13 2007, 06:26 AM
QUOTE(bouchier @ Nov 13 2007, 12:55 AM) [snapback]4485765[/snapback]
I must say I do have serious doubts about these qualifications. The North Miami campus was only founded in 1992 and the President, Mr. McGregor, who did so, has no knowledge of either of these people. Very troubling.
I'm not in this program, I've been eyeing it thinking of joining. However, if you asked the President of the University I attended if he knew me, I doubt he'd know me either, but I assure you I went there. So I'm not sure what this proves. What year did they say they attended?
EagleOne
Nov 13 2007, 10:29 AM
QUOTE(kandyland @ Nov 13 2007, 06:26 AM) [snapback]4486479[/snapback]
I'm not in this program, I've been eyeing it thinking of joining. However, if you asked the President of the University I attended if he knew me, I doubt he'd know me either, but I assure you I went there. So I'm not sure what this proves. What year did they say they attended?
Actually they do not give the year they attended or graduated. On the website they say they have been financial advisors for twenty-five years. This means they would have had to have graduated sometime between 1978-1982. I am allowing for a few years of working to gain experience in the financial field since the BS Degree they claimed they earned would have provided them an entry level position in the financial field. If this is true, then they could not have graduated from the university's Florida location since it was not formed until 1992, and the first class graduating there was in 1994.
I agree, if you were to ask the President of the University if he knew me, I doubt if he would remember me (even if he was still alive) and we met on several occasions. But I think if you asked him it would be very easy for him to check the schools records and confirm if they were or not graduates. I actually called the university and spoke with the liaison in the Business School regarding these two gentlemen attending. I learned the school uses a company that provides information on graduates, degrees earned, etc.. This company does charge a fee for the search, but it is very reasonable. While I did not pursue this search, the person I referenced above, LynnRE, in the exchange with chicosan did. He/She posted the actual response from the school since their information was not in the record keeping company's database, and was referred to the school for response.
Since I do not know anyone here, I do not take someone's word until I know them. When I am considering investing, I especially do not take anyone's word that I do not know but check things out for myself. Once a person has proven to me that they are trustworthy, it is a different story. Please do not construe this as a "grilling" or doubting chicosan's statements. There are many explanations that could provide a totally different take on the issues I have raised and found troublesome. But, the person would have to provide facts proving what they said was true, not just because they said so. This I do know as facts: The school from which the two gentlemen running this program said they graduated from does not have any record of them attending, let alone graduating. The Florida school they say they graduated from wasn't even in existence when they would have graduated. This I found to be very troubling. When you couple that with the statement by chicosan: "Just because they stated something in their website does not necessarily make it a fact," makes it even more troubling to me. Especially when they are asking me to invest my money with them. I expect everything said to be "factual."
chicosan
Nov 13 2007, 03:15 PM
QUOTE(EagleOne @ Nov 12 2007, 12:35 PM) [snapback]4485101[/snapback]
I appreciate your reply, but I assure you your posts on RC have not been deleted. In regard to my question, and your statement they did indeed graduate from that University, here is the exchange I am talking about. I have bolded your responses to this question for clarification purposes:
Hope you can now see my dilemma. But this raised another question of significance: Since when does someone stating something on their website not have to be a fact? Doesn't that imply that everything could not be factual? How are you supposed to know which is fact and which is not? To me that is a very troubling statement on your part. Also from what I was told, you were not banned on RC, you chose not to continue to post, which you also said here earlier was the case. Totally confused.
I guess I don't view it as a dilemma.......it is what it is. What is important is that the projects are legal and HCI25 is not the first of their projects to payout. As for RC.....my IP has been banned from any posting or even contacting the admin. This is the same as being banned. As for LynnRE......nothing of value or factual has ever come from him/her/it. It as nothing to do with what I choose........I can go to another computer with a different IP, but why should I.
Character assassination has no place in this or any other forum, yet that is what those two forums are about.
EagleOne
Nov 13 2007, 04:36 PM
QUOTE(chicosan @ Nov 13 2007, 03:15 PM) [snapback]4487384[/snapback]
I guess I don't view it as a dilemma.......it is what it is. What is important is that the projects are legal and HCI25 is not the first of their projects to payout. As for RC.....my IP has been banned from any posting or even contacting the admin. This is the same as being banned. As for LynnRE......nothing of value or factual has ever come from him/her/it. It as nothing to do with what I choose........I can go to another computer with a different IP, but why should I.
Character assassination has no place in this or any other forum, yet that is what those two forums are about.
I am not interested in your feud with LynnRE, but I am interested in obtaining facts. This is not a dilemma as you state, but this is serious, at least to me. What I do know is that you have not provided any proof that the people running this program graduated as claimed. There is overwhelming evidence that says they didn't. What is also disturbing is I am to just take your word on the legality of this program, yet you have stated that information contained on a website does not have to be factual. I asked for clarification, yet you have chosen to ignore my request on what you meant.
You have repeated that you were banned on RC, yet yesterday at 2:18pm you did make a post there: "Why don't you and others just go back to sleep......NONE of you have anything of value to contribute." It was your picture you use and your name beside it.
Yet on 10/13/07 here you stated you had stopped posting on TG and RC. In fact, here is what you said then: "Also, I have given up posting in two other forums, RC and TG because their true agenda is obvious and posting there has NO positive effect on the RPPs that are legit and will pay out."; and above you stated yesterday before you posted on RC you had been banned.
Can you see why I am troubled by these contradicting statements? It would be hard, if you were banned as you claim here at 11:06am, and post there at 2:18pm the same day. This is what I find very disturbing as well as troubling. These contradictions don't make one feel good about investing when the story keeps being changed by the only person who has stated knowledge of their legitimacy. Play your word games with LynnRE, if you want, but I want factual information and truth.
chicosan
Nov 13 2007, 05:07 PM
QUOTE(EagleOne @ Nov 13 2007, 04:36 PM) [snapback]4487476[/snapback]
I am not interested in your feud with LynnRE, but I am interested in obtaining facts. This is not a dilemma as you state, but this is serious, at least to me. What I do know is that you have not provided any proof that the people running this program graduated as claimed.
If they did or didn't it doesn't affect the program.
There is overwhelming evidence that says they didn't. What is also disturbing is I am to just take your word on the legality of this program, yet you have stated that information contained on a website does not have to be factual. I asked for clarification, yet you have chosen to ignore my request on what you meant.
You're getting far to serious about something that can't be dealt with yet.
You have repeated that you were banned on RC, yet yesterday at 2:18pm you did make a post there: "Why don't you and others just go back to sleep......NONE of you have anything of value to contribute." It was your picture you use and your name beside it.
MY IP WAS BANNED AT RC AND TG and this means I can't post anything at either. You read well, you just don't read everything. I CAN'T POST FROM MY IP which means that I can't post at either forum from my computer. I did, out of frustration, post from an Internet Cafe.
Yet on 10/13/07 here you stated you had stopped posting on TG and RC. In fact, here is what you said then: "Also, I have given up posting in two other forums, RC and TG because their true agenda is obvious and posting there has NO positive effect on the RPPs that are legit and will pay out."; and above you stated yesterday before you posted on RC you had been banned.
Can you see why I am troubled by these contradicting statements?
NO...actually I can't. IF you had read everything, you would already know that yesterday I posted in RC from another computer and that I was banned at both from posting from my computer.
It would be hard, if you were banned as you claim here at 11:06am, and post there at 2:18pm the same day. This is what I find very disturbing as well as troubling. These contradictions don't make one feel good about investing when the story keeps being changed by the only person who has stated knowledge of their legitimacy. Play your word games with LynnRE, if you want, but I want factual information and truth.
I sure hope that you can process this because ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! This is an HCI25 thread, so lets keep the posts dealing with this.
NITRO3
Nov 13 2007, 05:20 PM
QUOTE(EagleOne @ Nov 13 2007, 07:36 PM) [snapback]4487476[/snapback]
I am not interested in your feud with LynnRE, but I am interested in obtaining facts. This is not a dilemma as you state, but this is serious, at least to me. What I do know is that you have not provided any proof that the people running this program graduated as claimed. There is overwhelming evidence that says they didn't. What is also disturbing is I am to just take your word on the legality of this program, yet you have stated that information contained on a website does not have to be factual. I asked for clarification, yet you have chosen to ignore my request on what you meant.
You have repeated that you were banned on RC, yet yesterday at 2:18pm you did make a post there: "Why don't you and others just go back to sleep......NONE of you have anything of value to contribute." It was your picture you use and your name beside it.
Yet on 10/13/07 here you stated you had stopped posting on TG and RC. In fact, here is what you said then: "Also, I have given up posting in two other forums, RC and TG because their true agenda is obvious and posting there has NO positive effect on the RPPs that are legit and will pay out."; and above you stated yesterday before you posted on RC you had been banned.
Can you see why I am troubled by these contradicting statements? It would be hard, if you were banned as you claim here at 11:06am, and post there at 2:18pm the same day. This is what I find very disturbing as well as troubling. These contradictions don't make one feel good about investing when the story keeps being changed by the only person who has stated knowledge of their legitimacy. Play your word games with LynnRE, if you want, but I want factual information and truth.
Eagleone- i guess its about time you pass up HCI25- you want Due Diligence do it for yourself. It looks like you have performed quite a bit, and by the guess of it your not liking what you've found. So instead of "grilling" chicosan on what the he said she said stuff he doesn't have to say a word. I'm sure your a well educated person that you could make an educated guess on what to do. Chicosan is not the one running HCI25, and if you keep searching im sure you will find tons of other people who have or claim to have legitimacy of knowledge on this company. Its called uplines, and connections!
You have also stated that he has not provided any facts stating that they did graduate from whatever university, however you have not stated any facts that says they didn't graduate!
Take your own advice my friend " Since I do not know anyone here, I do not take someone's word until I know them. When I am considering investing, I especially do not take anyone's word that I do not know but check things out for myself. Once a person has proven to me that they are trustworthy, it is a different story."
Im sure if you came in here with a different approach and actually got to know some of the people in here you would find other resources to your approach of doing DD, and some would even point you into the right direction. But the modo is " you want something for youself, your going to have to get it for yourself"
If you wouldn't mind backing up your statement, what is the name of the company that keeps records on graduates?
You can either be satisfied by the criteria or drop it from your list. Raising questions to be answered by members is one thing, and a good thing! but your grilling chicosan- yes because every time you post something it is directed towards "chicosan"
Nitro
Zeus
Nov 13 2007, 05:22 PM
QUOTE(EagleOne @ Nov 13 2007, 07:36 PM) [snapback]4487476[/snapback]
I am not interested in your feud with LynnRE, but I am interested in obtaining facts. This is not a dilemma as you state, but this is serious, at least to me. What I do know is that you have not provided any proof that the people running this program graduated as claimed. There is overwhelming evidence that says they didn't. What is also disturbing is I am to just take your word on the legality of this program, yet you have stated that information contained on a website does not have to be factual. I asked for clarification, yet you have chosen to ignore my request on what you meant.
You have repeated that you were banned on RC, yet yesterday at 2:18pm you did make a post there: "Why don't you and others just go back to sleep......NONE of you have anything of value to contribute." It was your picture you use and your name beside it.
Yet on 10/13/07 here you stated you had stopped posting on TG and RC. In fact, here is what you said then: "Also, I have given up posting in two other forums, RC and TG because their true agenda is obvious and posting there has NO positive effect on the RPPs that are legit and will pay out."; and above you stated yesterday before you posted on RC you had been banned.
Can you see why I am troubled by these contradicting statements? It would be hard, if you were banned as you claim here at 11:06am, and post there at 2:18pm the same day. This is what I find very disturbing as well as troubling. These contradictions don't make one feel good about investing when the story keeps being changed by the only person who has stated knowledge of their legitimacy. Play your word games with LynnRE, if you want, but I want factual information and truth.
No disrespect EagleOne but you said you want factual information and truth so why don't you just go to the website and ask these questions to the Admins. They should be able to answer your question and if they don't then you don't have to join or invest here. Even though I respect Chicosan and his views, he's not going to answer your questions better than the Admins so perhaps you should inquire with them.
Zeus
EagleOne
Nov 13 2007, 05:29 PM
QUOTE(chicosan @ Nov 13 2007, 05:07 PM) [snapback]4487520[/snapback]
I sure hope that you can process this because ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! This is an HCI25 thread, so lets keep the posts dealing with this.
Agreed but this is about this program. Now you have changed the statement again. You stated you knew they had graduated from the university in an earlier post here, and now you are saying it is no big deal if they did or didn't. Which is it? It is a big deal if they lied about their degrees. It has a major bearing on whether or not they are the financial advisors they claim to be. By the way, this is talking about the program. It goes to the heart of this being real. So what else have they lied about? Your knowlege doesn't seem to be so accurate about them anymore, and it is beginning to bring into question your knowledge of the program. Trust me doesn't cut it. I have been willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on many things you have said, but now the free pass is over. Let's see some proof about just "who" these people really are.
NITRO3
Nov 13 2007, 05:40 PM
QUOTE(EagleOne @ Nov 13 2007, 08:29 PM) [snapback]4487550[/snapback]
Agreed but this is about this program. Now you have changed the statement again. You stated you knew they had graduated from the university in an earlier post here, and now you are saying it is no big deal if they did or didn't. Which is it? It is a big deal if they lied about their degrees. It has a major bearing on whether or not they are the financial advisors they claim to be. By the way, this is talking about the program. It goes to the heart of this being real. So what else have they lied about? Your knowlege doesn't seem to be so accurate about them anymore, and it is beginning to bring into question your knowledge of the program. Trust me doesn't cut it. I have been willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on many things you have said, but now the free pass is over. Let's see some proof about just "who" these people really are.
Who the **** are you to come in here and demand information? stop being lazy and find it out for yourself! You don't like it, tough **** !
My ignore list is getting bigger and bigger by the day with these ******* retards
Nitro
EagleOne
Nov 13 2007, 05:42 PM
QUOTE(NITRO3 @ Nov 13 2007, 05:20 PM) [snapback]4487539[/snapback]
Eagleone- i guess its about time you pass up HCI25- you want Due Diligence do it for yourself. It looks like you have performed quite a bit, and by the guess of it your not liking what you've found. So instead of "grilling" chicosan on what the he said she said stuff he doesn't have to say a word. I'm sure your a well educated person that you could make an educated guess on what to do. Chicosan is not the one running HCI25, and if you keep searching im sure you will find tons of other people who have or claim to have legitimacy of knowledge on this company. Its called uplines, and connections!
You have also stated that he has not provided any facts stating that they did graduate from whatever university, however you have not stated any facts that says they didn't graduate!
Take your own advice my friend " Since I do not know anyone here, I do not take someone's word until I know them. When I am considering investing, I especially do not take anyone's word that I do not know but check things out for myself. Once a person has proven to me that they are trustworthy, it is a different story."
Im sure if you came in here with a different approach and actually got to know some of the people in here you would find other resources to your approach of doing DD, and some would even point you into the right direction. But the modo is " you want something for youself, your going to have to get it for yourself"
If you wouldn't mind backing up your statement, what is the name of the company that keeps records on graduates?
You can either be satisfied by the criteria or drop it from your list. Raising questions to be answered by members is one thing, and a good thing! but your grilling chicosan- yes because every time you post something it is directed towards "chicosan" Nitro
I was waiting for chicosan to provide proof they did graduate as claimed. Guess what, got the same run around with the admin as I did with chicosan. Actually I do have proof. I called the university and asked them. Spoke with a very nice lady in the business college who has been with the university since it opened its doors in Florida in 1992. She told me I was not the only person who had inquired about these two gentlemen, and told me with no hesitation whatsoever they did not attend nor graduate from their school She went on to say they did not graduate from the school at any other campus either. In short they never existed or even attended the university.
Now maybe that doesn't bother you, or any of the others, but it should. They lied about their backgrounds, which should raise questions about what else they lied about. Now I have researched a whole lot more since I was led here, and I don't like what I see about this so-called investment opportunity. Wish all of you well, but this has fraud written all over it. I wish I did not have to say that, but just too many lies being told for it not to be. Run the numbers, you will be amazed at your results. One more thing, guess none of you noticed it or maybe don't care but chicosan has changed his/her story almost as many times as I change socks. The lastest story from chicosan should have you all worried.
chicosan
Nov 13 2007, 05:49 PM
QUOTE(EagleOne @ Nov 13 2007, 05:42 PM) [snapback]4487572[/snapback]
Now maybe that doesn't bother you, or any of the others, but it should. They lied about their backgrounds, which should raise questions about what else they lied about.
Now here's a thought that you haven't processed. YOU could be just as guilty of lieing since YOU do not use your proper name here......YOU use "EagleOne" or is it maybe LynnRE?
EagleOne
Nov 13 2007, 07:14 PM
QUOTE(chicosan @ Nov 13 2007, 05:49 PM) [snapback]4487580[/snapback]
Now here's a thought that you haven't processed. YOU could be just as guilty of lieing since YOU do not use your proper name here......YOU use "EagleOne" or is it maybe LynnRE?
When I went to TG to learn about this program, I could not find your posts. It wasn't until today that I learned that you don't post there as chicosan, but as punkyg. Now if I follow your point you are trying to make above, if LynnRE and I were the same person, then that means I am lying. Now since you post on TG as punkyg, that makes you? I fail to see your point. How does this equate to the people running this program lying about their backgrounds?
By the way, I have a friend with whom I do business. We were talking about 20 minutes ago, and found out that you two know each other. Des, or YB, said to say, "Hi." Do you still want to stay with the story you were banned on RC? Small world isn't it.
Now for the other reason for my posting. For all of you who are in this program, I wish you all the very best. I hope it does what it says it will do. Since I came here asking questions, I appreciated all of your willingness to answer them to the best of your ability. But, because of statements that have constantly changed when questions were asked, it really started raising serious questions in my mind. I have contacted numerous groups, organizations in regard to the program being offered by HCI25. What I have found out will remain with me. It will not have any bearing on any of you already in the program. For me it clarified what I needed to know if this truly was a program I wanted to invest my time and money. I am satisfied with the information I have learned for me to make that decision.
Zeus
Nov 13 2007, 08:31 PM
QUOTE(EagleOne @ Nov 13 2007, 10:14 PM) [snapback]4487699[/snapback]
When I went to TG to learn about this program, I could not find your posts. It wasn't until today that I learned that you don't post there as chicosan, but as punkyg. Now if I follow your point you are trying to make above, if LynnRE and I were the same person, then that means I am lying. Now since you post on TG as punkyg, that makes you? I fail to see your point. How does this equate to the people running this program lying about their backgrounds?
By the way, I have a friend with whom I do business. We were talking about 20 minutes ago, and found out that you two know each other. Des, or YB, said to say, "Hi." Do you still want to stay with the story you were banned on RC? Small world isn't it.
Now for the other reason for my posting. For all of you who are in this program, I wish you all the very best. I hope it does what it says it will do. Since I came here asking questions, I appreciated all of your willingness to answer them to the best of your ability. But, because of statements that have constantly changed when questions were asked, it really started raising serious questions in my mind. I have contacted numerous groups, organizations in regard to the program being offered by HCI25. What I have found out will remain with me. It will not have any bearing on any of you already in the program. For me it clarified what I needed to know if this truly was a program I wanted to invest my time and money. I am satisfied with the information I have learned for me to make that decision.
OK, No Problem.
Zeus
produceguy
Nov 13 2007, 09:32 PM
QUOTE(Zeus @ Nov 13 2007, 10:31 PM) [snapback]4487806[/snapback]
OK, No Problem.
Zeus
newsletter #16 is out, 11,665 policies sold .
bouchier
Nov 14 2007, 02:11 AM
QUOTE(produceguy @ Nov 13 2007, 09:32 PM) [snapback]4487889[/snapback]
newsletter #16 is out, 11,665 policies sold .
Yes, I read the newsletter. This convinced me that this is a total scam!
chicosan
Nov 14 2007, 08:31 AM
QUOTE(bouchier @ Nov 14 2007, 02:11 AM) [snapback]4488276[/snapback]
Yes, I read the newsletter. This convinced me that this is a total scam!
What in nwsletter #16 could possibly convince you of that?
They have had several projects in the past years and paid out them all. Is this your opinion, or are you listening to someone else's opinion?
bouchier
Nov 14 2007, 09:11 AM
QUOTE(chicosan @ Nov 14 2007, 08:31 AM) [snapback]4488990[/snapback]
What in nwsletter #16 could possibly convince you of that?
They have had several projects in the past years and paid out them all. Is this your opinion, or are you listening to someone else's opinion?
Chicosan. I’ve been doing my own due diligence. The new website and “news” letter contains absolutely no information – not even an office address. They don’t reply to any questions. For instance, where is there any verifiable information on these other projects? Other than them saying so, I see none. And, for university graduates, they don’t seem to be able to write very good English. Incidentally, I used to live in Ft. Lauderdale and have the contacts to be able to check their claim of having attended university there. I was also in the investment business in New York for several years – once again, none of my contacts there knows of them. Do you have an address for them perhaps?
LynnRE
Nov 14 2007, 11:22 AM
bouchier: Don't go confusing chicosan with facts. Yes, chicosan, it's me. At first I was not going to waste my time here, but since my name has been brought up I had to stop by and see for myself. Love how you keep trying to change the story and the issues with your word games.
Now before you get all worked up, this will probably be my only post here. It was enlightening though to learn that Candle Lake now has an Internet Cafe. Now I said "probably will be" not that it would be my last post here, so don't get too excited. I have an idea, why not post the phone number for the admin so anyone that wants to call can do so and get all their questions answered. Heck even an actual mailing address would be nice too. One more question before I have to run. Since 99% of these programs are fraud, your words) is GPP or HCI25 the real one?
But my favorite statement of yours to date has to be your saying that EagleOne and I are the same, therefore it is lying. Nice try at deflection. Think EagleOne had a very good point in responding to this nonsense of a statement. Now if we were the admins, and lied, differrent story. Wait a minute, they did lie. Bummer. Shot that theory down. Have a great day.
chicosan
Nov 14 2007, 03:06 PM
Does anyone have any idea where Candle Lake is?
acumen
Nov 14 2007, 03:28 PM
I keep seeing references to hci 25 and some programs they have previously paid out. Is there any legitimate data to back this up?
I, too, am fairly well connected in the investment field (Florida) No one has even heard of either one of these individuals, and a Google search reveals nothing. Don't hold your breath on this one.
moneygo
Nov 14 2007, 04:27 PM
QUOTE(acumen @ Nov 15 2007, 07:28 AM) [snapback]4489618[/snapback]
I keep seeing references to hci 25 and some programs they have previously paid out. Is there any legitimate data to back this up?
I, too, am fairly well connected in the investment field (Florida) No one has even heard of either one of these individuals, and a Google search reveals nothing. Don't hold your breath on this one.
Hi, acumen. Not that I'm holding my breath for this RPP (or any of those I'm in). Let's just say it will be wonderful indeed if they all deliver. If not, oh well, life goes on...
BTW, isn't it about time you lose that siggy of yours? (Unless, of course, you're Peter Buchner of the infamous Club-FX yourself!)
acumen
Nov 14 2007, 04:56 PM
QUOTE(moneygo @ Nov 14 2007, 04:27 PM) [snapback]4489690[/snapback]
Hi, acumen. Not that I'm holding my breath for this RPP (or any of those I'm in). Let's just say it will be wonderful indeed if they all deliver. If not, oh well, life goes on...
BTW, isn't it about time you lose that siggy of yours? (Unless, of course, you're Peter Buchner of the infamous Club-FX yourself!)
Greetings MoneyGo,
To what 'siggy' do you refer? In ten years of bouncing around perhaps 50 Forums, I have never used a signature, despite being a member of several profitable programs.
As far as me being Peter B, please excuse the loud snort you just heard!!!! In fact, he owes me to the tune of several large.
Regards......
LynnRE
Nov 14 2007, 06:08 PM
QUOTE(chicosan @ Nov 14 2007, 03:06 PM) [snapback]4489583[/snapback]
Does anyone have any idea where Candle Lake is?
Man you are funny. Now you are trying to pretend you don't know where you live. By the way, anyone want to contact Mr. Stallings-Blash? In case you do, here is his contact info:
Gregory Stallings-Blash (stallings.hci25@insurer.com) Fax: +46.707123456 Village Green Whistler, 52222 SE
Now on the website he says he lives in New York, but has an address and phone number in Sweden. Now before anyone tries to claim that this is his real name, it is not. But at least you now know he doesn't live in New York as claimed, just as he didn't graduate from Johnson & Wales University either. Chicosan can tell you his real name. Back to you chicosan.
nachalnik
Nov 14 2007, 10:09 PM
QUOTE(LynnRE @ Nov 15 2007, 04:08 AM) [snapback]4489814[/snapback]
Man you are funny. Now you are trying to pretend you don't know where you live. By the way, anyone want to contact Mr. Stallings-Blash? In case you do, here is his contact info:
Gregory Stallings-Blash (stallings.hci25@insurer.com) Fax: +46.707123456 Village Green Whistler, 52222 SE
Now on the website he says he lives in New York, but has an address and phone number in Sweden. Now before anyone tries to claim that this is his real name, it is not. But at least you now know he doesn't live in New York as claimed, just as he didn't graduate from Johnson & Wales University either. Chicosan can tell you his real name. Back to you chicosan.
ATTENTION!! You are ALL wrong!! Gregory is living here IN FINLAND (in Lappland) and his REAL name is Father Christmas, Holy Santa! (in finnish; Joulupukki). Very soon he is visiting everyone of us! THINK!!! IF you were good girls and boys? We finnish people know this guy very well, because he has been living here in Finland allready for 1000 years! We are so proud of him.
chicosan
Nov 14 2007, 10:29 PM
QUOTE(LynnRE @ Nov 14 2007, 06:08 PM) [snapback]4489814[/snapback]
Man you are funny. Now you are trying to pretend you don't know where you live.
This just goes to show how accurate your DD is. I don't even know where the place is. All I can say is ......LOLOLOLOLOLOL
By the way, anyone want to contact Mr. Stallings-Blash? In case you do, here is his contact info:
Gregory Stallings-Blash (stallings.hci25@insurer.com) Fax: +46.707123456 Village Green Whistler, 52222 SE
Now on the website he says he lives in New York, but has an address and phone number in Sweden. Now before anyone tries to claim that this is his real name, it is not.
YOU don't know your backside from a hole in the ground.
But at least you now know he doesn't live in New York as claimed, just as he didn't graduate from Johnson & Wales University either. Chicosan can tell you his real name. Back to you chicosan.
When you are wrong, you do a good job of it. By the way, AS USUAL....YOU LIED......you said that you would not be posting here again.
Zeus
Nov 14 2007, 10:36 PM
Well... this is so out of control here. Listen, all of you that feel this is a scam, Thank you for your concern and we have heard it 1000 times over. Now that you're done with your rhetoric, please move on.
We here using this Forum on HCI25 want info on what's going on with HCI25. If you don't like what's going on here, then find another home...Please!! We here what you're saying but most of us here are already in and is a very moog point to discuss the validity of whether someone Graduated a College or School or Whatever. We're in and that's it!!
Zeus
LynnRE
Nov 14 2007, 11:10 PM
chicosan: In regard to this statement of yours, and I quote: "When you are wrong, you do a good job of it. By the way, AS USUAL....YOU LIED......you said that you would not be posting here again." I guess reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits. You can't even quote me correctly. Just so you know, here is what I said, and it is a direct quote:
"Now before you get all worked up, this will probably be my only post here. It was enlightening though to learn that Candle Lake now has an Internet Cafe. Now I said "probably will be" not that it would be my last post here, so don't get too excited."
Zeus and all the rest of you. The fact you have joined this and believe in it is your choice and right. What is interesting is that chicosan has been proven to be a liar, the duo hyphenated financial guru's of this program have been proven to be liars. The fact this does not bother any of you is quite telling in itself. I don't wish any of you any ill will, but you should demand the truth from those you invest your money with, as well as those telling you they "know" a program is legitimate. Now I know this next statement will make chicosan very happy. You don't have to worry about me posting here again. You can lie all you want, and I am not going to bother even calling you on it. Unlike you, I keep my word and I do tell the truth. Live with it.
littledoll
Nov 15 2007, 09:37 AM
Well, well, LynnRE, I see you've joined this forum! How many does that make? Every one on the internet??? So you are going to try and "save" all of us from these "SCAM" RPP's? Just like you tried to save everyone from Brian Marsden and PIPS? HA!
investor2k6
Nov 15 2007, 10:16 AM
how much u guys put in?
Zeus
Nov 15 2007, 10:20 AM
QUOTE(LynnRE @ Nov 15 2007, 02:10 AM) [snapback]4490217[/snapback]
Zeus and all the rest of you. The fact you have joined this and believe in it is your choice and right. What is interesting is that chicosan has been proven to be a liar, the duo hyphenated financial guru's of this program have been proven to be liars. The fact this does not bother any of you is quite telling in itself. I don't wish any of you any ill will, but you should demand the truth from those you invest your money with, as well as those telling you they "know" a program is legitimate. Now I know this next statement will make chicosan very happy. You don't have to worry about me posting here again. You can lie all you want, and I am not going to bother even calling you on it. Unlike you, I keep my word and I do tell the truth. Live with it.
I don't understand why you seem to be affixiated with Chicosan. Just to let you know ( and no disrepect to Chicosan) but he's just one of the people that have some knowledge about this and MMG isn't the absolute place for info on HCI25 or any of the RPP's.
Whether we chose to believe Chicosan or not is our choice!!
Whether we believe what you're saying is our choice!!
Whether we do our Due or not is our choice!!
Whether we join HCI25 or any online or offline RPP at the risk that they can scam us IS OUR CHOICE!!!! (wow, I just felt like Ron Paul for a minute)
And yes...................we will "Live with it".
Zeus
EagleOne
Nov 15 2007, 04:37 PM
QUOTE(littledoll @ Nov 15 2007, 09:37 AM) [snapback]4491509[/snapback]
Well, well, LynnRE, I see you've joined this forum! How many does that make? Every one on the internet??? So you are going to try and "save" all of us from these "SCAM" RPP's? Just like you tried to save everyone from Brian Marsden and PIPS? HA!
What is PIPS? Do you recommend it? Could you provide the website link for me to check it out please?
EagleOne
Nov 15 2007, 11:42 PM
QUOTE(chicosan @ Nov 14 2007, 03:06 PM) [snapback]4489583[/snapback]
Does anyone have any idea where Candle Lake is?
You can take your pick of any of these GPS locations:
Latitude: 60 00N Longitude 95 00 W; Latitude: 53.833, Longitude: 105.333 or Latitude: 53 50' 00", Longitude: 105 20' 00" Do you need the mailing address? Hope this helped.
Zeus: Would you please PM me? Have something for you. Thanks.
zagzig
Nov 16 2007, 07:21 AM
QUOTE(EagleOne @ Nov 15 2007, 06:37 PM) [snapback]4492026[/snapback]
What is PIPS? Do you recommend it? Could you provide the website link for me to check it out please?
Pips was quoted to be the best there would be. We ALL recomended it. It first started out in early 2002 by Englishman Brian Marsden and his Malaysian wife,Sharon Phan as Pure Investor. This later morhped into some Super Matrixes,and then finally in March 2004 as PIPS- the biggest scam ever.A lot of people went to the first Convention in Langkawi, Thailand(Mar 2004), and the second in Hawaii in 2005.I missed both-very low on cash after putting in a sizable sum. So, the website is long gone, and as I understand ,both Dear Brian and Sharon are honored guests in a prison in Malaysia.
Also, PIPS was at the beginning =Pure Investor Profit System,then changed to People In Profit System. PIPS was also a play on the jargon pip(s) used in Forex Trading.
chicosan
Nov 16 2007, 08:42 AM
This is for the benefit of ALL GPP and HCI25 members and especially for LynnRE and EagleOne who still haven't got it yet.
QUOTE
There are in fact two markets that exist with regard to endowment policy trading, the first type is the publicly Traded Endowment Policy (TEP) market which is regulated by securities regulators, which is the only market you will find any information about if you google the phrase “Traded Endowment Policies”.
In this regulated market (the hub of which is in the UK), you must hold a TEP for 7/8 years before the TEP has accrued sufficient value to make it possible for it to be sold into the secondary market, crucially however, as well as this regulated public market in TEPs, there is also a private financial market known as the a “private placement” traded endowment policy market, this market is closed to the general public because it is not regulated by the SEC or equivalent regulators, but it is regulated by the relevant insurance regulators.
Within this private financial market only Sophisticated/Accredited Investors are permitted to invest in the these type of TEPs, and when I say Sophisticated/ Accredited Investors I am referring to the Trust partner or Venture Capital firm, not us the members. Google the term Sophisticated Investor and Accredited Investor and you’ll discover that this is a recognised class of investor; quite separate and distinct from the general public.
So how is it possible that we as members are able to participate in a private placement TEP transaction, even thought they are not open to the general public?, simple, we join a private-members club and pay a membership fee (admin fee), this private-members club structure makes it possible for a “Reverse Pension Plan” to provide it’s members with access to these type of transactions as beneficiaries, not as Investors.
GPP are not selling insurance to members they are instead merely selling memberships to a private club, a private club which offers information in the form of downloadable e-books (which makes it a legally constituted private-members club which no country has outlawed), as well as an opportunity to become beneficiaries of a private placement endowment policy paid for by the Trust partners, not by the members.
Securities regulators exist to protect the general public so when someone who is not financially literate enough to know the difference between a “private placement” (which is not regulated securities regulators) and a “public offering” (which is), makes the elementary mistake of alleging to regulators that GPP or any other RPP is selling insurance then it should come as no surprise to anybody that the securities regulator say that “no” they are not registered with us; and issue a “protective warning” as they are in the business of regulating all “public offerings” of securities and protecting the public by issuing warning about any company alleged to be selling securities who are not licensed by them to do so, but the fact that they have no jurisdiction over private placements since private placements are not regulated by securities regulators, is not mentioned because they were given the wrong information in the first place stating that GPP are selling insurance/securities to the general public, when as we have seen this is not now an never was the case.
I know of at least one RPP who were the subject of such protective warnings by the SEC, but when they (the SEC themselves) investigated the facts of the matter with the full cooperation of the RPP’s operators, they were given a clean bill of health once the full facts of the matter was established.
The biggest difference between publicly offered and regulated TEPs, and private placement TEPs, is that the private placement TEPs, have an immediate value based on its maturity value which is available to the Sophisticate/Accredited Investor as soon as the policy is issued, in other words you don’t have to hold a private placement TEP for 7/8 years before it has accrued sufficient value to make it possible to sell it, this reality is demonstrated by the fact that the Bank will offer a loan of 60% of the endowment policy’s face value (maturity value) to the Sophisticated/Accredited Investor (Trust partner) as soon as it is issued, and since Banks only give loans against good collateral, it should be equally clear that these type of private placement endowment policies constitutes excellent collateral, as otherwise no such loan would be forthcoming.
Remember, these private placement TEPs should not to be confused with publicly offered and regulated TEPs, so knowing your apples from your oranges is key, and is what separates the financially savvy individual, from those less so.
EagleOne
Nov 16 2007, 09:10 AM
QUOTE(zagzig @ Nov 16 2007, 07:21 AM) [snapback]4493369[/snapback]
Pips was quoted to be the best there would be. We ALL recomended it. It first started out in early 2002 by Englishman Brian Marsden and his Malaysian wife,Sharon Phan as Pure Investor. This later morhped into some Super Matrixes,and then finally in March 2004 as PIPS- the biggest scam ever.A lot of people went to the first Convention in Langkawi, Thailand(Mar 2004), and the second in Hawaii in 2005.I missed both-very low on cash after putting in a sizable sum. So, the website is long gone, and as I understand ,both Dear Brian and Sharon are honored guests in a prison in Malaysia. Also, PIPS was at the beginning =Pure Investor Profit System,then changed to People In Profit System. PIPS was also a play on the jargon pip(s) used in Forex Trading.
Thank you for this information, but now I am confused. From my interpretation of littledoll's post I thought LynnRE was saying it wasn't a legitimate program, but it was, therefore LynnRE was wrong, i.e. therefore he is also wrong about HCI25. If what you say is true, then LynnRE's warnings were true. So why is littledoll so upset? Sounds as if people should have listened. This is not making any sense.
QUOTE(chicosan @ Nov 16 2007, 08:42 AM) [snapback]4493517[/snapback]
This is for the benefit of ALL GPP and HCI25 members and especially for LynnRE and EagleOne who still haven't got it yet.
Thank you for the information, but what is the source of this article? Since it was not referenced, what financial or business magazine did it appear? Do you have the link so I can access it, and read more about these policies? Thank You.
chicosan
Nov 16 2007, 10:20 AM
QUOTE(EagleOne @ Nov 16 2007, 09:10 AM) [snapback]4493572[/snapback]
Thank you for this information, but now I am confused. From my interpretation of littledoll's post I thought LynnRE was saying it wasn't a legitimate program, but it was, therefore LynnRE was wrong, i.e. therefore he is also wrong about HCI25. If what you say is true, then LynnRE's warnings were true. So why is littledoll so upset? Sounds as if people should have listened. This is not making any sense. Thank you for the information, but what is the source of this article? Since it was not referenced, what financial or business magazine did it appear? Do you have the link so I can access it, and read more about these policies? Thank You.
Well, without getting into a character trash, LynnRE has difficulty getting most things right. PureInvestor started off as a legal investment and was very productive. The change to PIPs brought about a change in the Marsden's attitudes and eventually the money was too enticing, and the program ended up as a scam even though it wasn't started that way. As for LynnRE and the Talkgold forum....they launched a vendetta against the Marsdens and stuck their noses into Malaysia to go way beyond reason to put the Marsdens in jail. Another agenda was in force here. The 2 conventions, in Thailand and Hawaii, were excellent and in all likelyhood the thought of scamming hadn't occured yet. The bottom line is that the Mardens have been held in jail pending the legal outcome, which, in spite of TG arrogance, is not carved in stone yet. A lot of investors lost a lot of money in this eventual scam.
As for this article.......a financial professional posted this in a forum, so I'll try to get the source.
LynnRE
Nov 16 2007, 10:59 AM
QUOTE(chicosan @ Nov 16 2007, 10:20 AM) [snapback]4493720[/snapback]
Well, without getting into a character trash, LynnRE has difficulty getting most things right. PureInvestor started off as a legal investment and was very productive. The change to PIPs brought about a change in the Marsden's attitudes and eventually the money was too enticing, and the program ended up as a scam even though it wasn't started that way. As for LynnRE and the Talkgold forum....they launched a vendetta against the Marsdens and stuck their noses into Malaysia to go way beyond reason to put the Marsdens in jail. Another agenda was in force here. The 2 conventions, in Thailand and Hawaii, were excellent and in all likelyhood the thought of scamming hadn't occured yet. The bottom line is that the Mardens have been held in jail pending the legal outcome, which, in spite of TG arrogance, is not carved in stone yet. A lot of investors lost a lot of money in this eventual scam.
As for this article.......a financial professional posted this in a forum, so I'll try to get the source.
Sorry, wrong thread. See at GPP
chicosan
Nov 16 2007, 07:35 PM
QUOTE(EagleOne @ Nov 16 2007, 09:10 AM) [snapback]4493572[/snapback]
Thank you for the information, but what is the source of this article? Since it was not referenced, what financial or business magazine did it appear? Do you have the link so I can access it, and read more about these policies? Thank You.
EagleOne
I found the links along with this answer.......
QUOTE
I thought I would add this alternative answer to try to show you how it works. Reverse pension plans are innovative and highly profitable projects initiated and run by venture capitalists - in pre-arranged cooperation with their insurance company and their mortgage company.
To gather a target number of eligible members, the venture capitalists set up a network-marketing operation (for example, Global Pension Plan or Pension World Wide), offering very generous referral commissions to those who will help get the word out.
When the "Reverse Pension Plan" has reached its' goal number of contracts/members, the venture capitalists will purchase a pension insurance policy on each member which will, of course, mature when the member reaches 67 years of age.
A quick Google search will reveal many entities who are willing to purchase these policies for immediate lump sum payout. This should assure those unfamiliar with endowment policies of their legitimate value. However, Reverse Pension Plan members agree to transfer ownership of their policies to the venture capitalists who purchased them on the members' behalf for a one-time sum.
Then, as each member reaches the age of 67 years, the venture capitalists will collect the full value (about $250,000) of each policy - an assured, substantial, long-term income for them! Also, the cost of the policies, the compensation, and the referral commissions are all tax-deductible business expenses, too.
Additionally, with possession of these policies as collateral, the venture capitalists are eligible for massive loans. This leaves them with plenty to cover cost of the network-marketing operation - referral commissions and administration . By using the loan to finance the program, they now own a pension policy with a significant value upon maturity.
So, now you see that Reverse pension plans benefit everyone involved !