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Anjeline
SELAMAT DATANG KE EM-PAY4U TEAM

"Kini, ANDA Tidak Perlu Lagi Tercari-Cari Peluang Menambah Pendapatan, Kini ANDA Telah Bertemu Dengan Revolusi Terkini Yang Akan Menjadikan ANDA Bergelar Seorang JUTAWAN"

Ini Bukannya Satu Bualan Kosong Perniagaan Hebat Yang Direka Untuk Memastikan SEMUA AHLI BERJAYA
Dengan Modal Yang Serendah RM138.00 Anda Boleh Mendapat Pendapatan RM32,764.00-RM65,528.00 Berulang-ulang Tanpa Henti!

REVOLUSI PROGRAM LOYALTI PERTAMA DI MALAYSIA - EM-PAY BERGABUNG BERSAMA IPC SHOPPING.

ANDA LAYAK UNTUK MENERIMA PULANGAN RM32,764.00 - TANPA MENAJA, TANPA MENJUAL, TIADA MAINTENANCE


Bagaimana ianya dilakukan?
Syarikat menggunakan sistem AUTO PLACEMENT dimana melalui program ini secara automatik ahli-ahli akan disusun dalam bentuk susunan force matrix gandaan dua sehingga 13 level dari bilangan ahli yang berdaftar dari seluruh dunia.

Ianya bermula di Malaysia. Dirasmikan dan dibuka serentak ke luar negara pada 05-11-2006 di Genting highland.

Ini adalah masa yg sesuai utk anda sertai! JADILAH YANG TERAWAL!

SERENTAK 8 NEGARA - MALAYSIA, CHINA, HONG KONG, TAIWAN, INDONESIA, THAILAND, SINGAPURA DAN BRUNEI


Lihat kelainan yg ada pada bisnes ini

Dan adakah anda berminat untuk mencari peluang menambah pendapatan dengan satu cara mudah dan luar biasa

ü Tanpa perlu menjual barang

ü Tanpa perlu kemahiran bercakap/menaja kalau mahu itu satu kelebihan.

ü Tanpa perlu mengorbankan masa/wang ringgit yang banyak

ü Kerja yang sangat minimum tetapi pendapatan amat lumayan

ü Tak perlu memujuk rayu

ü Tak perlu menukar jadual harian

ü Tidak perlu "maintain" untuk nak dapatkan bonus

Tidak percaya? Kami tidak memaksa anda untuk Percaya?

MULAKAN LANGKAH PERTAMA ANDA MENDAFTAR SEBAGAI AHLI DENGAN PELAN PEMASARAN DAN SISTEM YANG CANGGIH SUDAH PASTI ANDA BOLEH MENCAPAI IMPIAN YANG ANDA INGINKAN. APA YANG PASTI TIADA SIAPA PUN DI DUNIA INI YANG BERHAK UNTUK MENGHALANG CITA-CITA ANDA MENJADI SEORANG JUTAWAN MELAINKAN DIRI ANDA SENDIRI.

OLEH ITU.... FIKIR-FIKIRKANLAH

Ingin tahu lebih lanjut? Sila daftar PERCUMA di signature bawah.


Sebarang Pertanyaan Sila Hubungi Kami di:-

admin@em-pay4u.com

019-5510562

YM: mhbs_ceria

Mohd Hairi Bin Shamsuddin thumbup(1).gif
cashNcarry
QUOTE(Anjeline @ Nov 18 2006, 11:44 AM) [snapback]3187202[/snapback]

SELAMAT DATANG KE EM-PAY4U TEAM

[color=orange]"Sebarang Pertanyaan Sila Hubungi Kami di:-

admin@em-pay4u.com

019-5510562

YM: mhbs_ceria

Mohd Hairi Bin Shamsuddin thumbup(1).gif


Hai bro, ini program BINARY SYSTEM kah? peace.gif
enigma
kalau tak payah jual, maintain dll, cam mana boleh dapat $? doh.gif

there must be something else. many plans also promote same way. if its binary, then prob need some balancing act to perform.
Datuk_K
QUOTE(enigma @ Nov 19 2006, 03:46 PM) [snapback]3196479[/snapback]

kalau tak payah jual, maintain dll, cam mana boleh dapat $? doh.gif

there must be something else. many plans also promote same way. if its binary, then prob need some balancing act to perform.



How? smile.gif
enigma
QUOTE(Datuk_K @ Nov 20 2006, 09:48 AM) [snapback]3196801[/snapback]

How? smile.gif

good question, i also dono how. the anjeline didnt put any details or link
keanwai
For me...the website is BAD in design and looks like a mess....juz my 2 cents tongue4.gif

However...beware of scam!! bye2.gif
Cosmas
Kalau program ini akan meletup, kenapa kita harus join?
calxenia
QUOTE(Cosmas @ Nov 20 2006, 11:50 PM) [snapback]3200089[/snapback]

Kalau program ini akan meletup, kenapa kita harus join?


Plan macam ini semua tidak akan meletup. Cuma buang masa saja. tongue4.gif
YaYai
QUOTE(calxenia @ Nov 20 2006, 06:26 PM) [snapback]3202673[/snapback]

Plan macam ini semua tidak akan meletup. Cuma buang masa saja. tongue4.gif



I have to agree with that...

To many of this sort of thing nowdays....

I'm sure they are going to die sooner or later....
enigma
QUOTE(calxenia @ Nov 21 2006, 10:26 AM) [snapback]3202673[/snapback]

Plan macam ini semua tidak akan meletup. Cuma buang masa saja. tongue4.gif

the anjeline also no respond at all to the posts doh.gif
clarify lah sikit thumbdown.gif
calxenia
QUOTE(enigma @ Nov 21 2006, 12:18 PM) [snapback]3203093[/snapback]

the anjeline also no respond at all to the posts doh.gif
clarify lah sikit thumbdown.gif


There are a few posters from Malaysia who post once and then dissappear. They must think this is a classified ad or something.
keanwai
QUOTE(calxenia @ Nov 21 2006, 03:15 PM) [snapback]3203832[/snapback]

There are a few posters from Malaysia who post once and then dissappear. They must think this is a classified ad or something.


Have to agree with ur point!! thumbup(1).gif

They taught this is a place for them to expand their business.... harhar.gif
SecureGold
They are adopting Touch N Go concept...Post N GO! No hassle! biggrin.gif
mib_2u
QUOTE
They are adopting Touch N Go concept...Post N GO! No hassle!


Who need to hassle , while there is a faster way to create wealth and chances. btw , not all malaysian like to post and go..dude !!!!, hellno.gif
mrcrumb

yakin ke? stail cam censored2.gif je ..
geo_seven
hi guys,

hehe.. i have join in empay .. just join and will activated today.. so i still have no commend on this.. when if i really do get paid without anything.. i will let u all knw ok!! hehehe

current i join.. because i see the office and their award cert of superbrand product in malaysia. so i think can have a try. but how the plan works.. soon i will knw. i will update u guys how this program are.. ok??. because my self also not sure.. i just join for test 1st. LOL!
keanwai
GOOD LUCK 2 u bro!!! unsure.gif
suffiantahir
QUOTE(geo_seven @ Jan 7 2007, 07:23 PM) [snapback]3486760[/snapback]

hi guys,

hehe.. i have join in empay .. just join and will activated today.. so i still have no commend on this.. when if i really do get paid without anything.. i will let u all knw ok!! hehehe

current i join.. because i see the office and their award cert of superbrand product in malaysia. so i think can have a try. but how the plan works.. soon i will knw. i will update u guys how this program are.. ok??. because my self also not sure.. i just join for test 1st. LOL!


Hi.

Hmm.. since u have joined this program, can u tell as us a litte bit more regarding,

(a) Thier Product
(b) How they generate income for thier member.
© Plan

and anything that u think interesting to share with us.

Many Thanks dancing4dh.gif
kcong71
QUOTE(suffiantahir @ Jan 29 2007, 03:48 PM) [snapback]3609461[/snapback]

Hi.

Hmm.. since u have joined this program, can u tell as us a litte bit more regarding,

(a) Thier Product
(b) How they generate income for thier member.
© Plan

and anything that u think interesting to share with us.

Many Thanks dancing4dh.gif


Hi,

If you want to know the details about em-pay, you can email me your email address to kcong71@yahoo.com, i will send you the slide about it.
rolleyes.gif
||||||
I've seen the design of the website before 100% the same but its a different website of course. I think the websites belong to someone who wants to promote the program he join or invented. If you read carefully below on the website, you can find a small disclaimer

QUOTE
Disclaimer: Ini adalah laman web peribadi. Ia bukan laman web rasmi syarikat MLM yang disertai. Contoh pendapatan adalah simulasi sahaja. Pendapatan sebenar bergantung kepada usaha setiap peserta. Kami tidak menjamin sebarang pendapatan.
Tiada mana-mana bahagian portal ini boleh diubah, disalin, diedar, dihantar semula, disiarkan, dipamerkan, diterbitkan, dilesenkan, dipindah, dijual atau diuruskan bagi tujuan komersil dalam apa bentuk sekalipun tanpa mendapat kebenaran secara bertulis yang jelas terlebih dahulu daripada www.em-pay4u.com.


I dunno, just my personal opinion. Here's the guy house & office address based on my lil search. Personally i wouldn't want to join any non registered Malaysian based program, be it matrix or mlm or anything at all. Anyway, go figure yourself my findings..

New program he's promoting
QUOTE
WHOIS information for: em-pay4u.com:

[whois.crsnic.net]

Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.


Domain Name: EM-PAY4U.COM
Registrar: DYNADOT, LLC
Whois Server: whois.dynadot.com
Referral URL: http://www.dynadot.com
Name Server: X2SERVER.EBANYAN.COM
Name Server: XSERVER.EBANYAN.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 26-oct-2006
Creation Date: 27-sep-2006
Expiration Date: 27-sep-2007

>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:06:06 UTC <<<

NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration
date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring
registrar. Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to
view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.

TERMS OF USE: You are not authorized to access or query our Whois
database through the use of electronic processes that are high-volume and
automated except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or
modify existing registrations; the Data in VeriSign Global Registry
Services' ("VeriSign") Whois database is provided by VeriSign for
information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information
about or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not
guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a Whois query, you agree to abide
by the following terms of use: You agree that you may use this Data only
for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data
to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass
unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone,
or facsimile; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes
that apply to VeriSign (or its computer systems). The compilation,
repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is expressly
prohibited without the prior written consent of VeriSign. You agree not to
use electronic processes that are automated and high-volume to access or
query the Whois database except as reasonably necessary to register
domain names or modify existing registrations. VeriSign reserves the right
to restrict your access to the Whois database in its sole discretion to ensure
operational stability. VeriSign may restrict or terminate your access to the
Whois database for failure to abide by these terms of use. VeriSign
reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and
Registrars.

[whois.dynadot.com]
Domain Name: em-pay4u.com
Registered at http://www.dynadot.com

Registrant:
eBanyan Sdn Bhd
No 30, Tingkat 2, Jalan Cempaka 1
Bandar Amanjaya
Sungai Petani, Kedah 08000
Malaysia

Administrative Contact:
eBanyan Sdn Bhd
No 30, Tingkat 2, Jalan Cempaka 1
Bandar Amanjaya
Sungai Petani, Kedah 08000
Malaysia
fuzi@ebanyan.com
+6 0195664281

Technical Contact:
eBanyan Sdn Bhd
No 30, Tingkat 2, Jalan Cempaka 1
Bandar Amanjaya
Sungai Petani, Kedah 08000
Malaysia
fuzi@ebanyan.com
+6 0195664281

Record expires on 2007/09/28 UTC
Record created on 2006/09/28 UTC

Domain servers in listed order:
xserver.ebanyan.com
x2server.ebanyan.com


Previous program he's promoting
QUOTE
WHOIS information for: whl2u.com:

[whois.crsnic.net]

Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.


Domain Name: WHL2U.COM
Registrar: NETFIRMS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.netfirms.com
Referral URL: http://www.netfirms.com
Name Server: X2SERVER.EBANYAN.COM
Name Server: XSERVER.EBANYAN.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 20-jun-2006
Creation Date: 06-apr-2006
Expiration Date: 06-apr-2007

>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:05:02 UTC <<<

NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration
date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring
registrar. Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to
view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.

TERMS OF USE: You are not authorized to access or query our Whois
database through the use of electronic processes that are high-volume and
automated except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or
modify existing registrations; the Data in VeriSign Global Registry
Services' ("VeriSign") Whois database is provided by VeriSign for
information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information
about or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not
guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a Whois query, you agree to abide
by the following terms of use: You agree that you may use this Data only
for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data
to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass
unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone,
or facsimile; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes
that apply to VeriSign (or its computer systems). The compilation,
repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is expressly
prohibited without the prior written consent of VeriSign. You agree not to
use electronic processes that are automated and high-volume to access or
query the Whois database except as reasonably necessary to register
domain names or modify existing registrations. VeriSign reserves the right
to restrict your access to the Whois database in its sole discretion to ensure
operational stability. VeriSign may restrict or terminate your access to the
Whois database for failure to abide by these terms of use. VeriSign
reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and
Registrars.

[whois.netfirms.com]
Registrant:
ebanyan.com
husain, mohd fuzi
964, Lorong Kuda Kepang 2, Taman Ria Jaya
Sungai Petani, NA 08000
MY

Domain name: whl2u.com

Administrative Contact:
ebanyan.com fuzi@ebanyan.com
husain, mohd fuzi
964, Lorong Kuda Kepang 2, Taman Ria Jaya
Sungai Petani, NA 08000
MY
60195664281 Fax:

Technical Contact:
Netfirms Inc. support@netfirms.com
Manager, Domains
5160 Yonge St., 1800
Toronto, ON M2N6L9
CA
4166612100 Fax: 4166610700

Registrar of Record: Netfirms Inc.
Record expires on 2007-04-06.
Record created on 2006-04-06.
Database last updated on 2007-01-29 00:50:04.
papito
Lighten.gif haiyaa.. aku pun dah join but lom activate jer
dengkos
already join (3 lots) since last year.. plan B going to level 5

got the payment already by selling it to my downline whom wish to
buy pin and so lazy to go to the bank.

geo_seven
QUOTE(suffiantahir @ Jan 29 2007, 03:48 PM) [snapback]3609461[/snapback]

Hi.

Hmm.. since u have joined this program, can u tell as us a litte bit more regarding,

(a) Thier Product
(b) How they generate income for thier member.
© Plan

and anything that u think interesting to share with us.

Many Thanks :da:


Hi,

sure will share my point of view why i join.. hehe

1st.. every ppl join in a program nowadays sure will asking.. do this program legal? do they have office? do they real?? this 3 question sure will keep asking in every program b4 we join. then we will looking on their earning plan rite? .. ok then if comfortable.. then join. rite?

Their product is IPC Shopping Privilege Card.. you can check the website http://www.ipcshopping.com/. which some think like bonus link. But in Malaysia.. they are just start.. so not so famous yet. U can see from their website there.

How they earning money.. this i not sure. But i m sure all MLM company sure have their own tactic to generated the income for member there rite!

So for me... since their company is real, they have awards earning, they have office there for walk-in.. they have show everything about them. they are famous now because in business magazine is starting talking about them.. so why not giving it a try rite. It just only RM138 .. future RM168 per unit only. And from 1 unit.. u can earn 7plan there. So why not giving it a try rite.. hehehe!

but this was MLM company.. so if someone intro u n tell u no need doing anything u also can earn money. Yes.. u can earn that without doing anything. But u have to bear in mind which u need time to earning that. because it was system generated (Plan B) for u.. u have to wait.. and when is ur time.. u will earn.

ok.. let me brief only 2 of the plan here... plan A.. there are manual chart tree. u build the tree by ur own. i mean u doing placement by ur own. When u get member.. u doing placement for ur referral. U have to manage it.. like how to balance ur sales.. and how to build ur sales here. Same as other MLM company chart.

Plan B.. this was a chart almost same with plan A too.. but this was computer generated for u.. u have no control on here. Once if ur turn for system doing placement. the member who just join will place under ur plan B chart tree there. U have 13 lvl for fill that. for plan B full chart tree filled.. u total can earn around RM65k around. But as i told before.. u have to bear in mind.. this was not mean once u join.. tomorrow will happen or month will happen. I maybe take years. because depend on the program how famous or active there!

anyway.. i m not active in this program yet.. because i still on learning on their plan.. once i see result.. sure will update here more!!
suffiantahir
QUOTE(kcong71 @ Jan 29 2007, 12:21 AM) [snapback]3609567[/snapback]

Hi,

If you want to know the details about em-pay, you can email me your email address to kcong71@yahoo.com, i will send you the slide about it.
rolleyes.gif


Hi.

Thanx for your reply. dancing4dh.gif
dhaevil
PLEASE BEWARE OF em-pay. Especially regarding their so-called auto-placement, that you DON'T have to do anything and supposedly you'll still get paid. That's most probably a SCAM. A friend of mine just told me that he joined em-pay a few months ago, but he still DOESN'T have any downliners. Thus, he has to find his own downliners, and when he tried to withdraw some 200 bucks, the money never got in.

Please note that the website empay.com doesn't tell you anything about the rules, about the auto-placement etc. or whatsoever. You can find all this information instead on empay4u.com which doesn't belong to the company. It belongs to a person who's trying to get people to go under him.

Let's get the fact right and correct me if I'm wrong. You can't register if you don't have an upline. If you have an upline and register, you'll be placed under that person. You won't be placed automatically under anybody. So when would the so-called auto-placement happen? It never does. If you don't find anybody, who's goin' to put anybody under you? And why would anybody want to give you a downliner when he could fill up his own and get money out of it.

I heard some people do get money. But, some don't. It's a sign of a SCAM. Please people, be careful.
vetean
hmmm.....mcm MLM system je........but yeah hoping to hear something out of this....anyone that had joined......pls post the end result ok:P
kay_joe84
kesian jugak orang yang nak promotekan em-pay kat sini..takde yang nak support sebab forum ni untuk international level..means orang2 malaysia jarang la masuk forum ni...kalau rajin lawat2la

http://www.carigold.com/portal/forums

im also new member in em-pay..i just want to talk about their plan A and plan B..plan A is supposedly for people who is really love to recruit a lot of new member and put them under him or her sponsoring...for each member they recruit they will acquire an amount of commission but im still not recruiting anybody lol..or in other word plan A is "hardworking plan @ plan rajin"

for plan B, it's also called "lazy plan @ plan malas @ autoplacement @ auto downline"... means from plan B, as a member we can get auto downline not only from Malaysia but also from China, Hong Kong, Thailand, Indonesia and other countries all around the world..

maybe this explanation is not really helping but i hope that all of you can spend your time in in this website to get further information, since im really new in em-pay maybe there is some mistake in my explanation and im really sorry about it.

http://www.em-pay.net/ <----for more information
http://www.em-pay.com/ <---for registration

QUOTE(dhaevil @ Feb 6 2007, 07:33 AM) [snapback]3654182[/snapback]

PLEASE BEWARE OF em-pay. Especially regarding their so-called auto-placement, that you DON'T have to do anything and supposedly you'll still get paid. That's most probably a SCAM. A friend of mine just told me that he joined em-pay a few months ago, but he still DOESN'T have any downliners. Thus, he has to find his own downliners, and when he tried to withdraw some 200 bucks, the money never got in.

Please note that the website empay.com doesn't tell you anything about the rules, about the auto-placement etc. or whatsoever. You can find all this information instead on empay4u.com which doesn't belong to the company. It belongs to a person who's trying to get people to go under him.

Let's get the fact right and correct me if I'm wrong. You can't register if you don't have an upline. If you have an upline and register, you'll be placed under that person. You won't be placed automatically under anybody. So when would the so-called auto-placement happen? It never does. If you don't find anybody, who's goin' to put anybody under you? And why would anybody want to give you a downliner when he could fill up his own and get money out of it.

I heard some people do get money. But, some don't. It's a sign of a SCAM. Please people, be careful.

i think you should study more about all of the program that you want to join rather than keep repeating the word of SCAM..maybe you and your friends really dont understand how this program is working..dont join any program blindly without reading and understanding about the program thoroughly.. tongue4.gif and if there is something happen, it's really on your own risk because of lack of knowledge about the program you had joined..jangan ada rasa menyesal sebab tak pernah nak ambil tau, baca la dulu apa saja yang dipaparkan, sekurang2nya tau la sket pasal mende yang kita nak join tu..just my opinion, if this program is scam, avoid it..

tapi aku da beli 3 lot...sape nak join? pm aku..time kasih
ym kay_joe84@yahoo.com
pisces_pair
QUOTE(dhaevil @ Feb 6 2007, 11:33 PM) [snapback]3654182[/snapback]

PLEASE BEWARE OF em-pay. Especially regarding their so-called auto-placement, that you DON'T have to do anything and supposedly you'll still get paid. That's most probably a SCAM. A friend of mine just told me that he joined em-pay a few months ago, but he still DOESN'T have any downliners. Thus, he has to find his own downliners, and when he tried to withdraw some 200 bucks, the money never got in.

Please note that the website empay.com doesn't tell you anything about the rules, about the auto-placement etc. or whatsoever. You can find all this information instead on empay4u.com which doesn't belong to the company. It belongs to a person who's trying to get people to go under him.

Let's get the fact right and correct me if I'm wrong. You can't register if you don't have an upline. If you have an upline and register, you'll be placed under that person. You won't be placed automatically under anybody. So when would the so-called auto-placement happen? It never does. If you don't find anybody, who's goin' to put anybody under you? And why would anybody want to give you a downliner when he could fill up his own and get money out of it.

I heard some people do get money. But, some don't. It's a sign of a SCAM. Please people, be careful.


to be careful is ok but to say that this program is probably a SCAM when you don't have enough proof to say so, that is not ethical..

the official website for this program is www.em-pay.com & the company's official website is www.ipcshopping.com

i've been a member since 20 dec 2006 (3 lots)..on 14 jan 2007, i received my 1st level of autoplacement downline in my network B..on 19 jan 2007, my plan B bonus of RM24 was credited into my em-pay account..as of to-date, i've already earned about RM1,000 from my plan A, Plan B & Plan C bonus..you can view my screenshot at http://rosmarlina.blogspot.com

there is also a screenshot of a member receiving RM34K for his autoplacement..

regarding the em-pay4u website, i agree that it is an individual website whereby em-pay members use it to promote this program..it's not the official website for em-pay..so please do not say that this program is SCAM just because the members use their own websites to do the promotion..as far as i know, the explanation of this program is given during their roadshows..u can check the roadshow schedule at www.ipcshopping.com or even at www.em-pay.com ..for those who are nearby the roadshow area, u can go & get some clarification on whatever u want to know..
dhaevil
QUOTE(pisces_pair @ Feb 8 2007, 09:24 AM) [snapback]3661687[/snapback]

to be careful is ok but to say that this program is probably a SCAM when you don't have enough proof to say so, that is not ethical..

the official website for this program is www.em-pay.com & the company's official website is www.ipcshopping.com

i've been a member since 20 dec 2006 (3 lots)..on 14 jan 2007, i received my 1st level of autoplacement downline in my network B..on 19 jan 2007, my plan B bonus of RM24 was credited into my em-pay account..as of to-date, i've already earned about RM1,000 from my plan A, Plan B & Plan C bonus..you can view my screenshot at http://rosmarlina.blogspot.com

there is also a screenshot of a member receiving RM34K for his autoplacement..

regarding the em-pay4u website, i agree that it is an individual website whereby em-pay members use it to promote this program..it's not the official website for em-pay..so please do not say that this program is SCAM just because the members use their own websites to do the promotion..as far as i know, the explanation of this program is given during their roadshows..u can check the roadshow schedule at www.ipcshopping.com or even at www.em-pay.com ..for those who are nearby the roadshow area, u can go & get some clarification on whatever u want to know..



I have ONE PROOF that at least one member is not being auto-placed even after almost 2 months or more and hasn't got his money that he's trying to withdraw. Did you read properly my story? Perhaps, you should reLEARN your English. To caution other people that a program is PROBABLY a SCAM, or shows a SIGN of a SCAM is NOT saying that IT IS A SCAM. And to voice MY OWN OPINION based on a proof is definitely ETHICAL. Who are you to say that it is NOT? My intention is to remind people to be careful, and to do some background checks before jumping onto a probable sinking ship. And if you think that to do a good thing is considered unethical because your mind is clouded with MOOLAH, then I think you should go back and reflect yourself in a mirror to see if you resemble the greedy Prime Minister or his Father-in-Law. You dig what I'm sayin'?
geo_seven
QUOTE(dhaevil @ Feb 8 2007, 02:02 PM) [snapback]3662515[/snapback]

I have ONE PROOF that at least one member is not being auto-placed even after almost 2 months or more and hasn't got his money that he's trying to withdraw. Did you read properly my story? Perhaps, you should reLEARN your English. To caution other people that a program is PROBABLY a SCAM, or shows a SIGN of a SCAM is NOT saying that IT IS A SCAM. And to voice MY OWN OPINION based on a proof is definitely ETHICAL. Who are you to say that it is NOT? My intention is to remind people to be careful, and to do some background checks before jumping onto a probable sinking ship. And if you think that to do a good thing is considered unethical because your mind is clouded with MOOLAH, then I think you should go back and reflect yourself in a mirror to see if you resemble the greedy Prime Minister or his Father-in-Law. You dig what I'm sayin'?


Hi friend, calm down!! i understand when u join a program and the result is not as wat they promise sure u will get angry or feel cheating by the company!!

just giving my opinion. Actually.. u can see.. i also just join on 09 January 07. I not coming here to get member.. i also on testing period and share my point of view. I a bit feel weird on ur friend acc on the plan B. because i check my acc.. by 5th February.. my plan B lvl 2 is filled. so really dont understand why ur friend still no filled yet.

and b4 i join.. there have few ppl to asking me join with them. and from their way to intro me the em-pay... i really find out they understand in wrong way already. because they promise member can get paid even no working.(yes u can.. but u need time to wait) and within month u will get paid RM30k+.. they show me proof n wat ever. but pls bear in mind member... that was not true... yes.. early member is getting paid from plan B very fast b4.. because they join early.. but not now. I think most member from here understand well how matrix program work. In em-pay plan B.. it was matrix in there. system auto generated for u.. time is the only matter there. so once u join.. pls dont espect u will earn big income just in few week or month. It really take time!!.. as my estimate now per month only will filled up 1 lvl only... when month comes... it will take more longer time to filled lvl in plan B

So for me.. i dont think this company or program is scam. Just some leader is giving wrong info till member think they have being cheat. If this company is scam.. our goverment sure will take action already! anyway.. try looking for u leader or upline for help.. asking why ur friend plan B still not filled yet? because member who join later then ur friend have already filled in lvl 2 there!
dhaevil
QUOTE(geo_seven @ Feb 8 2007, 04:52 PM) [snapback]3663041[/snapback]

Hi friend, calm down!! i understand when u join a program and the result is not as wat they promise sure u will get angry or feel cheating by the company!!

just giving my opinion. Actually.. u can see.. i also just join on 09 January 07. I not coming here to get member.. i also on testing period and share my point of view. I a bit feel weird on ur friend acc on the plan B. because i check my acc.. by 5th February.. my plan B lvl 2 is filled. so really dont understand why ur friend still no filled yet.

and b4 i join.. there have few ppl to asking me join with them. and from their way to intro me the em-pay... i really find out they understand in wrong way already. because they promise member can get paid even no working.(yes u can.. but u need time to wait) and within month u will get paid RM30k+.. they show me proof n wat ever. but pls bear in mind member... that was not true... yes.. early member is getting paid from plan B very fast b4.. because they join early.. but not now. I think most member from here understand well how matrix program work. In em-pay plan B.. it was matrix in there. system auto generated for u.. time is the only matter there. so once u join.. pls dont espect u will earn big income just in few week or month. It really take time!!.. as my estimate now per month only will filled up 1 lvl only... when month comes... it will take more longer time to filled lvl in plan B

So for me.. i dont think this company or program is scam. Just some leader is giving wrong info till member think they have being cheat. If this company is scam.. our goverment sure will take action already! anyway.. try looking for u leader or upline for help.. asking why ur friend plan B still not filled yet? because member who join later then ur friend have already filled in lvl 2 there!



I think you people have problem READING properly. I mentioned that my friend has joined for 2 months or so. So, if you do your math properly, oh oh lemme do the calculation for you just in case if you screw up again, he should have at least 1 level. And yes I know it takes time. But 2-month is an ample time for one level because many em-pay "tokan" claimed one month. In fact, I've heard one told me in 23 days. Now, back to my friend, he does have a few levels (I don't know how many), but not placed automatically. He put them himself recently since he has a vast network of Swisscash & EA under him, and so why not do em-pay as well. And, again, if you read properly, you'd notice that he tried to withdraw some 200 bucks, but he hasn't got paid a single cent. Let me recap, 2 things (hopefully you'll see clearly in point-form since your eyes are clouded with em-pay moolah):

1- He doesn't get the auto-placement privilege enjoyed by many of you even after a few months. YES, I know I know, it takes times. But, according to many "tokans" out there, he should have at least 1 level automatically placed. Right? Of course I'm right.

2- He tried to withdraw money but he's not getting a single cent. Well, not that he cares much since he's got so much from other things. But, still it's an issue.

Crystal?
He can't continue promoting em-pay to his network until this thing is resolved. As we speak, he's probably condemning em-pay while he recruits Swisscash, EA, ABB, god knows what else he carries, which I don't blame him. Oh oh. It's not ethical? Shove it up yours lah if you think it's not. rofl4.gif
pisces_p2
QUOTE(dhaevil @ Feb 8 2007, 11:05 PM) [snapback]3664464[/snapback]

I think you people have problem READING properly. I mentioned that my friend has joined for 2 months or so. So, if you do your math properly, oh oh lemme do the calculation for you just in case if you screw up again, he should have at least 1 level. And yes I know it takes time. But 2-month is an ample time for one level because many em-pay "tokan" claimed one month. In fact, I've heard one told me in 23 days. Now, back to my friend, he does have a few levels (I don't know how many), but not placed automatically. He put them himself recently since he has a vast network of Swisscash & EA under him, and so why not do em-pay as well. And, again, if you read properly, you'd notice that he tried to withdraw some 200 bucks, but he hasn't got paid a single cent. Let me recap, 2 things (hopefully you'll see clearly in point-form since your eyes are clouded with em-pay moolah):

1- He doesn't get the auto-placement privilege enjoyed by many of you even after a few months. YES, I know I know, it takes times. But, according to many "tokans" out there, he should have at least 1 level automatically placed. Right? Of course I'm right.

2- He tried to withdraw money but he's not getting a single cent. Well, not that he cares much since he's got so much from other things. But, still it's an issue.

Crystal?
He can't continue promoting em-pay to his network until this thing is resolved. As we speak, he's probably condemning em-pay while he recruits Swisscash, EA, ABB, god knows what else he carries, which I don't blame him. Oh oh. It's not ethical? Shove it up yours lah if you think it's not. rofl4.gif


yup, why dont u ask ur friend to check with the HQ..maybe something wrong with his account..as for issue no 2, i've learnt that it takes even up to 1 half mths to get the withdrawal..so for further clarification, pls check with the admin..


QUOTE(dhaevil @ Feb 8 2007, 02:02 PM) [snapback]3662515[/snapback]

I have ONE PROOF that at least one member is not being auto-placed even after almost 2 months or more and hasn't got his money that he's trying to withdraw. Did you read properly my story? Perhaps, you should reLEARN your English. To caution other people that a program is PROBABLY a SCAM, or shows a SIGN of a SCAM is NOT saying that IT IS A SCAM. And to voice MY OWN OPINION based on a proof is definitely ETHICAL. Who are you to say that it is NOT? My intention is to remind people to be careful, and to do some background checks before jumping onto a probable sinking ship. And if you think that to do a good thing is considered unethical because your mind is clouded with MOOLAH, then I think you should go back and reflect yourself in a mirror to see if you resemble the greedy Prime Minister or his Father-in-Law. You dig what I'm sayin'?


wah..nice statement eh..very sacarstic..pls dont involve the prime minister or whoever..dont ask people to look into the mirror if u havent done so..

have u gone to the HQ to give the account a check? or at least have your friend done anything to resolve the matter?


try checking this thread as well for answers..

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?s...04&hl=empay
geo_seven
QUOTE(dhaevil @ Feb 8 2007, 11:05 PM) [snapback]3664464[/snapback]

I think you people have problem READING properly. I mentioned that my friend has joined for 2 months or so. So, if you do your math properly, oh oh lemme do the calculation for you just in case if you screw up again, he should have at least 1 level. And yes I know it takes time. But 2-month is an ample time for one level because many em-pay "tokan" claimed one month. In fact, I've heard one told me in 23 days. Now, back to my friend, he does have a few levels (I don't know how many), but not placed automatically. He put them himself recently since he has a vast network of Swisscash & EA under him, and so why not do em-pay as well[b]. And, again, if you read properly, you'd notice that he tried to withdraw some 200 bucks, but he hasn't got paid a single cent. Let me recap, 2 things (hopefully you'll see clearly in point-form since your eyes are clouded with em-pay moolah):

1- He doesn't get the auto-placement privilege enjoyed by many of you even after a few months. YES, I know I know, it takes times. But, according to many "tokans" out there, he should have at least 1 level automatically placed. Right? Of course I'm right.

2- He tried to withdraw money but he's not getting a single cent. Well, not that he cares much since he's got so much from other things. But, still it's an issue.

Crystal?
He can't continue promoting em-pay to his network until this thing is resolved. As we speak, he's probably condemning em-pay while he recruits Swisscash, EA, ABB, god knows what else he carries, which I don't blame him. Oh oh. It's not ethical? Shove it up yours lah if you think it's not. rofl4.gif


when ur friend request withdraw?? ... the term status.. withdraw taking 14days there! for the withdraw problem.. even complain in here.. no 1 can help too.. so as pisces_p2 advice.. direct go to HQ there to settle better than just wait for the answer from member rite!

by the way .. ur post really confuse me... as i understand that u said ur friend have many lvl but placing by himself rite? now u asking why ur friend no getting any placement automatic from the system rite?

u familiar with the system rite.. in em-pay... there have 2 diffrent chart in there. as u said ur friend doing placement him self.. that was under planA. the system doing auto placement is under planB.. plan B we have no chances to doing placement by our own.. system is full control there. If when u click in plan B and there have no placement to filled yet.. then u should contact with HQ there .. because i can see.. most of member join january.. all have 1 lvl placement from system in plan B already!!
pisces_p2
QUOTE(geo_seven @ Feb 9 2007, 12:06 PM) [snapback]3667571[/snapback]

when ur friend request withdraw?? ... the term status.. withdraw taking 14days there! for the withdraw problem.. even complain in here.. no 1 can help too.. so as pisces_p2 advice.. direct go to HQ there to settle better than just wait for the answer from member rite!

by the way .. ur post really confuse me... as i understand that u said ur friend have many lvl but placing by himself rite? now u asking why ur friend no getting any placement automatic from the system rite?

u familiar with the system rite.. in em-pay... there have 2 diffrent chart in there. as u said ur friend doing placement him self.. that was under planA. the system doing auto placement is under planB.. plan B we have no chances to doing placement by our own.. system is full control there. If when u click in plan B and there have no placement to filled yet.. then u should contact with HQ there .. because i can see.. most of member join january.. all have 1 lvl placement from system in plan B already!!


yup, correct what geo said..plan A network & plan B (autoplacement) network are 2 different networks..dont combine them together..plan A network is 100% your control where as plan B network is controlled by the system..
dhaevil
QUOTE(pisces_p2 @ Feb 9 2007, 12:10 PM) [snapback]3667579[/snapback]

yup, correct what geo said..plan A network & plan B (autoplacement) network are 2 different networks..dont combine them together..plan A network is 100% your control where as plan B network is controlled by the system..


All this while I'm talkin about Plan B. Oh geez. How the heck did he get money to withdraw if he didn't find downliners himself and put them in Plan A. Do I have to explain everythin'? I'm not confused with any of your replies because you seem to repeat the same thing over and over again. Back to my initial intention, I ask everybody to be careful. That's all, well maybe I did add some salt and spices to anger some die-hard fans of em-pay out there. rofl4.gif

Well, I told him to go check with HQ, and guess what, he doesn't give a damn abt em-pay. So, his case is closed. Let's wait & see if I myself get the auto-replacement. If I don't, well, I surely will label em-pay as SCAM lildevil.gif
pisces_p2
QUOTE(dhaevil @ Feb 9 2007, 01:05 PM) [snapback]3667760[/snapback]

All this while I'm talkin about Plan B. Oh geez. How the heck did he get money to withdraw if he didn't find downliners himself and put them in Plan A. Do I have to explain everythin'? I'm not confused with any of your replies because you seem to repeat the same thing over and over again. Back to my initial intention, I ask everybody to be careful. That's all, well maybe I did add some salt and spices to anger some die-hard fans of em-pay out there. rofl4.gif

Well, I told him to go check with HQ, and guess what, he doesn't give a damn abt em-pay. So, his case is closed. Let's wait & see if I myself get the auto-replacement. If I don't, well, I surely will label em-pay as SCAM lildevil.gif


the way u explained like u mixed up the plan A & plan B..if 1 person misunderstood then maybe that person is wrong..but if 2 misunderstood, then there must be something in your statement..

so if he doesnt give a damn, then dont blame the system..at least if he already make some checking & nothing has been done, then you can say this em-pay is probably a scam..so you are one em-pay member eh..tot u didnt even join..

nway, would like to know when u joined as member..maybe we can help to educate each other in future..lets have a clean discussion instead of arguing..we are here to discuss positively..so no one will get mad if we do so, right..is ur upline a trustworthy kind of person? does he support you & other dlines? because i've heard and encounter ppl with these kind of uplines & in the end, they blame the system/company for anything wrong..

so share with us if it's ok with you..or if you would like to discuss through YM, u can always buzz me at bunnybugs_78

good luck to you!
pirateofmg
this is MLM systemlah... at the end they will declare bankruptcy and the member (u all lah) cannot do anything even u know everything about them...think about it.
pisces_p2
QUOTE(pirateofmg @ Feb 9 2007, 03:36 PM) [snapback]3668215[/snapback]

this is MLM systemlah... at the end they will declare bankruptcy and the member (u all lah) cannot do anything even u know everything about them...think about it.


alamak..not another one..you 100% sure ar? studied the system? huh..tired to explain already..

u are more convinced with the 100% web-based investment programs (swisscash, splitindex etc) that is more easily scam (believe me i've some experience with them) than em-pay that has a HQ in cheras..we cant see the future, so we wouldnt know this company will declare bankrupt or not..everything in this world has risk..join if u want, but dont join if u have doubts..but pls do not speculate if u dont have proof..
dhaevil
QUOTE(pisces_p2 @ Feb 9 2007, 03:40 PM) [snapback]3668237[/snapback]

alamak..not another one..you 100% sure ar? studied the system? huh..tired to explain already..

u are more convinced with the 100% web-based investment programs (swisscash, splitindex etc) that is more easily scam (believe me i've some experience with them) than em-pay that has a HQ in cheras..we cant see the future, so we wouldnt know this company will declare bankrupt or not..everything in this world has risk..join if u want, but dont join if u have doubts..but pls do not speculate if u dont have proof..


Hahaha.
They are all called fraudelent investments - ponzi, pyramid, matrix, or those that claim that they do forex when actually they don't (okay, I shall not use the word scam, else I might unintentionally hurt somebody's feelin'). But, that doesn't stop you, me or the rest of the world to invest, why not, as long as we earn money before it collapses (although it's morally unethical, but I shall not label anyone unethical because I'm one of 'em who invest, unlike somebody). Some people don't even know that these programs are err.. fraudelent investments, some do know, yet they still go into them (the MLM leaders ie "tokans", the early birds) When it collapses, well, the few last people who enter would lose their money of course. The early birds get the prom queens impregnated.

Read and you'll get some ideas lildevil.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_scheme
http://members.impulse.net/~thebob/Pyramid.html
pisces_p2
disappointing..Malaysia is full with "mulut takde insurans" kuang kuang kuang..whateverlah..

for better reference on em-pay, pls refer to this thread..

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?a...=8&t=114604
dhaevil
Let's do a simple analysis lildevil.gif

Let's take a look at Plan B, the so-called Auto-placement plan. It's a pyramid (please correct me if I'm wrong):

Level 0: You
Level 1: 2 people
Level 2: 4
Level 3: 8
.....
Level 15: 32,768 people

The total number of people will be: 65,535 including yourself.

Now, let's consider those people in Level 15, a total of 32,768 people. And each person wants to have 15 Levels too right? So, we'll have 32,768 * 65,535 people = 2,147,450,880 (~2 billion people).
And hey, the world's population is only around 6 billion. hehe.
gotproof
smile.gif I just joined em-pay too. Based on my experience, empay is paying but slower if compared to people join earlier than us (last year). I understand bcoz empay hv promised to pay us in 15 levels (15 months is not stated there). That's why, we have to be patience, be patience for a big amount will be given by the company. I hv the same problem...waiting for payment for Plan B and at the end I got it based on date we joined but more than one month waiting to display in statement after we joined.
I also has experienced waiting for withrawal testing to my Maybank Acct. At the end, I got it transferred into my Maybank after a month (exactly a month withdraw 28/1, transfered to Maybank 28/2) deducted RM5.50. Meaning, the company is paying us, just a matter of time to wait. For RM100 withdraw, I recieved RM94.50 in my maybank account. Be patience...

Lesson :
We have to experience it ourself in Plan A & Plan B. Our uplines have experienced and know better than us, get info from them and educate our dwliner how it works based on experienced/evidence.
To gain more knowledge and info, we must active in both Plan A & B, then we can comment.

Good Luck!
BapakSurf
QUOTE(gotproof @ Mar 4 2007, 07:45 PM) [snapback]3774555[/snapback]

smile.gif I just joined em-pay too. Based on my experience, empay is paying but slower if compared to people join earlier than us (last year). I understand bcoz empay hv promised to pay us in 15 levels (15 months is not stated there). That's why, we have to be patience, be patience for a big amount will be given by the company. I hv the same problem...waiting for payment for Plan B and at the end I got it based on date we joined but more than one month waiting to display in statement after we joined.
I also has experienced waiting for withrawal testing to my Maybank Acct. At the end, I got it transferred into my Maybank after a month (exactly a month withdraw 28/1, transfered to Maybank 28/2) deducted RM5.50. Meaning, the company is paying us, just a matter of time to wait. For RM100 withdraw, I recieved RM94.50 in my maybank account. Be patience...

Lesson :
We have to experience it ourself in Plan A & Plan B. Our uplines have experienced and know better than us, get info from them and educate our dwliner how it works based on experienced/evidence.
To gain more knowledge and info, we must active in both Plan A & B, then we can comment.

Good Luck!


You can sell you epoint to other member, so you can save fee peace.gif
cashNcarry
QUOTE(gotproof @ Mar 4 2007, 07:45 PM) [snapback]3774555[/snapback]

smile.gif
Lesson :
To gain more knowledge and info, we must active in both Plan A & B, then we can comment.

Good Luck!


I agree with u,we must active in PLAN A than PLAN B be automatic work fast too. smile.gif
Datuk_K
So hot now!
lialia
everyone please be patience, those who have slow transaction or slow progress in plan B.
I have just contacted the HQ few days ago and i have fianlly able to sort out the reason why the system is so slow now and transaction time extended from 7 working days to 14. The Hq in cheras now is having insullficient man power. Thier office extended from 1 level to 3 levels now. Alot of thier workers quitted because they have to work overnite everyday due to the vast amount of bank transaction they need to handle and other task. Moreover the malaysian merchants such as Digi, celcom, maxis, tenaga are expected to be launched in 2 years time as they told me but due to the radical growth of em-pay members the company are forced to launch it now( bills payment online will be back on track next month, i was told). With all the work needed to be done, they do not have that much man power to help them sort out the task. But the management told me that they are working hard to recruit more workers and thigns will be back to normal soon. Moreover we are all aware about the official laucnhing of em-pay in china right? on the 28th of march? by the time em-pay is officially launched in china.. alot of people in china wil participate in the system thus plan B will be expected to move fast.. so a little tip here. If u would love to add lots now is the time! CHEERS to all current em-pay members!

!!!!!VipeR!!!!!


LOOK VERY NICE biggrin.gif
wgf8881
sape nak beli lot empay aku...rm350,(neg.) untk 3 lot dgn downline la....call/sms 017-3333646
dannypro77
QUOTE(wgf8881 @ May 17 2007, 11:15 PM) [snapback]4103590[/snapback]
sape nak beli lot empay aku...rm350,(neg.) untk 3 lot dgn downline la....call/sms 017-3333646

Plan B how many level already?
carimakan
Hey this is small money laa. If you are interested in making the BIG money, you should start looking at other things out there, like a real network marketing company from the US..
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