Hi guys, I am new to this but want some extra income. I will be joining PIN, TGT, and ST soon. I don't get how these matrices work thoug so I am hesistant to join. Where does the money come from, do the people on the bottom lose, are they scams. Can somebody point me in the right direction? Thanks!

do the people on the bottom lose, are they scams


One or the other

Depending on the program youre talking about, there is no "bottom" In MLM type programs there is a bottom, and yes if that type of program dies, the people at the bottom generally lose.

PIN, ST, and TGT are probably the safest places you could invest right now since they are proven and are owned by honest people. However even honest programs can die after a while so you just need to weigh the risk vs reward and go for it.

Yes, Sir... you are (somewhat!) CORRECT, Sir...

BUT!!!!

No matter the program, they are ALL based on a Matrix, of SOME sort!

IDEALLY, if EVERYONE would do their SIMPLE part of referring 1,2,3... blah, blah, blah, whatever is required for said opportunity gotten into, then no matter WHAT you called the opportunity--- Matrix; Doubler; Cycler---whatever, it could last forever! IDEALLY they're all PERFECT pay plans.

The problem is, how do you either make people Recruiting Machines, OR build a program that NEVER relies on anyone else besides your OWN effort and is STILL worthwhile promoting and not cheating, meanwhile?

Pay it forward?

THAT STILL FAILS, so...?

Honestly, I REALLY want to know HOW to do it!

If you can put a great answer here, you'll market it to the REST of the world and make BILLIONS!!!!

actually we don't have any correct answer. admin's only use word of forex and trading and also tell that they are investing in some sort of offline business but it's really not possible to make enough from offline business to make happy members. but yeh in forex, stocks it's is possible but all on chances and this is my opinion no one can deliver such high profit even making from forex trading.

so what's left?
only members to members... they may be investing some part of investment in forex and offline business but most of profit part come from new members investment.

this is just my opinion....what is your?..

I think there must be something other than other member's investments to keep the programs such as StudioTraffic and PIN running

i can tell you there's NO money coming from other sources.

What i've come to learn in this arena is that:

1. THERE IS NO SURE THING
That being said, yes you can make money on the net. But you have to do your due diligence and weigh the pros and cons to each program.

2. DON'T SPEND MORE THAN YOU ARE WILLING TO LOSE
I have been in programs where people have lost their homes because they bet the mortgage on a program. Don't let greed win out over reason!

3. TAKE OUT YOUR INITIAL INVESTMENT
Whatever program you join, you should take out your original investment as soon as you can. After that you are playing with free money.

4. YOU'VE ALREADY DONE IT
MONEYMAKERGROUP.COM is THE BEST source I have found to guide you through this arena. I myself have found that the caliber of people in the forum to be of very high quality. Read thru the various posts thru this site. You will get a feel of who are the real players in this field. Kenny, Nuk , Jefbru, Nothinggirl and many others can give you a sense of what's happening. Me? I'm fairly new here and I really don't post unless I have something to say. and I just want to give you one more piece of advice:

Sometimes people in the workaday world will try to talk you out of doing these kind of ventures , because they are not use to thinking of any other way to make a living than to go out and work for it. And thats ok. My wife is a Naysayer and would'nt be caught dead doing this type of thing. Which is why I do these Programs on my own, with my own money, without her knowledge. And if and when they come to fruition, Then I will presEnt here with proof that it can work. (and if they don't , She's none the wiser! )

So come on and explore. The trip may just be worth it.

I think your choices are good. I'd also add 4Daily to the mix. When you are new, you need something that you can make some money AND actually get paid by the prog and all the progs you picked and 4D do just that.

Make some money doing the autosurfs and read up on the riskier programs and get a feel for just how much risk is involved and whether that is something you'd consider down the road.

I think it's vital to start off in these games making a little money and not getting burned while you learn.
NUK

how can you tell us there is NO money coming in? lol... thats just a lie

studiotraffic has advertising money coming in, they have money coming in from a hosting service, they have money coming in from other paid to surfs that pay them $45/month.. they have the new radio station that will bring in advertising money, they have the new store they are starting up, lots of stuff...


PIN, they have a complete store you can purchase from, thats the reason they are the only doubler that has survived, most of the banners you see here... were ordered from doris over at PIN

You just enjoy boosting your post count with ridiculous statements don't you

WTF? Take a look at StudioTraffic's page with the $350/month banners on it. The PIN store? Just because both of these have a lot of new members continuing to join doesn't mean they have zero outside income. Aaaaarghhhh!
NUK

#12 Please do not spread lies and rumors! This can KILL a program. Please use caution when stating something about a program if you are not sure what the TRUTH is.

I would honestly doubt that the above outside sources of income keep the doublers and autosurfs running. ST pays out $1.5M a month, that can't be made up with the little advertising options they sell.

They have hoes on the corner supplementing them

I should've known that!

Why did you let out the biggest secret in the industry

I believed there's some secret behind to keep those program going. Anyway, some of them won't reveal it to the public.

must be a bunch of billionaire

Oh, I agree with that, but the outside sources of income helps.
NUK

Yes exactly. Like here's an example. It's a given that Patrick Johnson was a ponzi/scam and lasted for 6 months.

Now if he had outside funding and sold advertising on his site, he probably would have lasted over 6 months. Probably like 6 months and 4 days.

No doubt....

Very true Mobile...