Whenever we find an admin who is scamming using multiple accounts or some other method, we move it to the scam section when we find out about it, then let people know what we found in the thread.

Unfortunately some people would rather have us leave the topic in the normal sections of MMG as if nothing happened and we get blamed for moving the program to the scam section while it's still paying, even though the admin is a proven scammer.

Additionally, while we have done our best to make sure we are consistent in our placement of "on hold" programs, sometimes a few programs slip through the cracks and aren't moved as quickly as we would like. We have done our best to keep the threads organized, but some people have been complaining about our consistency.

Should we:

#1 - Remove the "closed/scam" and "on hold" sections completely and let MMG members know if we find out the admin is scamming by using paid posters or bumping his thread with multiple accounts.

#2 - Keep things the way they are

Keep things the way they are!!
I think a forum isn't complete without a "SCAM" section
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If the admin has multiple accounts, using paid posters etc.. just post it in BIG BOLD RED LETTERS in the first post of the thread & then don't move it to the scam section. Move it to scams once it stops paying...

Well.
I've always been somewhat Liberal when it comes to the political spectrum.
I think change is very good.
Sometimes what we need is change, to open our eyes and refresh us.
It would definately be a good experiment in my opinion.
If it doesnt work out, then couldn't it always be reversed?

It is my opinion that:
"#1 - Remove the "closed/scam" and "on hold" sections completely and let MMG members know if we find out the admin is scamming by using paid posters or bumping his thread with multiple accounts."

Is the best choice.
It will allow members and investors to use their common sense if they should or should not invest.
If you let people know, then people will see the true nature of the program, and will use their judgement to act accordingly.

If they do not act wisely given the provided information, it's only their fault for losing out.

Just my 2 and a half cents
Matt

Then your basicly screwing that progra over. It is like saying don't invest its a scam. Just don't say anything... people can see if it says "banned" and are able to make their own decision... nobody is telling them to invest right.

i vote remove..members own fault if they don't read or read it and spend anyway...same as always...just let everyone fend for themselves..

Boy, this is really going to be interesting.

So with #1 all programs would be listed in the same place no matter what?

Well, they would still be split into hyip/autosurf/etc, bur there would no longer be a closed/scam section or a sites on hold. Basically people would be responsible for reading the thread and figuring out its status.

maybe then people would be forced to actually read something.

I voted for them to be removed and all be in one section.
Why?
People need to start taking responsibility for their actions. Stop blaming the admins, stop blaming the forums..
Only person to blame is yourself for hitting the spend button... Period!

Maybe this will help clean up some of the crap out there since people will start to realize its their own damn fault for spending!

Thats my 2 cents

I'm kind of split 50/50 on this debate

I kind of think it should be removed, but then you'd get newbies starting topics like "Hey!! I didn't know it was a scam, it was in the paying section! Stupid MMG!!"

So either way, your always going to have ignorant people who are sometimes just plain stupid

well they will just have to do some reading to find out what's going on..bout time some of them did that anyway..

Well, we have never had a "paying" section though, and we still wouldn't if we removed the closed/scam and on hold sections. At that point if people still decided to blame us even when there was no other place to put the topic, that would just be silly. Having some people put the blame on others for their losses is unavoidable though.

Yeah, I guess.
But what would happen to all the topics in the close / scam section if you delete it??
Just move them into the HYIP/Surf sections where they came from?

No kidding people need to start reading. I see people asking questions as dumb as "What is the return" "how do you get paid" ... All questions that any site would say on the "FAQs" page or main page, in fact I bet those pages would answer all the questions I see popping up that are pretty much dumb!


As for what xubeck was saying..
It would not be a "paying" section, rather just a HYIP section, or Surf section.. No status whatsoever, leaving it out of MMG's hands. Placing the blame on no one but yourself!

That's a good question. What we would probably do is just rename it to "archive" and remove it from view after a while.

Could always make a simple system to keep the sections smaller... Simple as any topic that has no posts in it for over a week would be considered "Old news" and moved to the archive

I fully agree people should read before they spend and
blame no one but themselves when they lose money.

But I would hate to see MMG become more and more like
"you know where." I can't find a dang thing over there.

Guess I'll be using the search button a lot more often or
bookmarking my favorite threads.

But there are some good memorable threads in there like 12dailypro.
I think just name it "archive" and just lock it so nobody can post in it, but its still visible and readable.

I personally voted for the sections to remain. Even though it is up to the individual themselves to take the responsibility to read up and gather all appropriate info it doesn't justify removing the sections. Wouldn't you like to see some sort of protection for the members of MMG?

Under normal circumstances, the MMG staff are quiet fair and just with their decisions on moving any particuliar thread. There have been certain circumstances in which a thread has been moved to "on hold" because of sites administrators failure to follow their own TOS and members of MMG have complained stating that it is basically "bad PR". This could not be farther from the truth. Regardless of whatever the situation may be for the move it is always within reason.

Now, as Radmax has stated that there is no possiblity that every thread will be cleaned up in a time frame that would suitable for some members, they are doing their best with what has been reported. If members don't report any problem within a site then how will the MMG staff know when it's time to move that certain thread. This is why some threads remain in "paying status" when they do not rightfully belong there. But if members take the responsibility to report such discrepincies within a site, MMG will be fair and just in their decision.

Do we not come to the forum to read the good and the bad when researching the site?.....We read others posts of the good days and their bad. Simply put, MMG's decision to move or not move a particuliar thread is their post. Why not take their opinion in consideration as well, when reading all the others?


Mitch

Just to add, I am a firm believer that if you too slow or dumb to do the reading...then you deserve what you get if you join a bunk site.

MMG would still be as organized as possible, but we just wouldn't be moving threads to 3 different places depending on their status. Also once programs close, they tend to drop back 10 or 20 pages within a few days unless they were huge.

the thing is, if you go look in the closed section right now..you'll find programs still paying..and if you go to the on hold section, you'll see some saying "why is this here just because it's a day or two late in paying? others are alot further behind in payments and haven't been moved"..(just saw that)...so get rid of the dividing the programs up like that, should cut down on alot of those kinda questions..

I'm not so sure it'll stop the blame game, but I bet there will be alot more trolling than before

Usually the answer to those types of questions is that the person noticed the problem and never bothered to report it to us

Youre right it would reduce those type of questions.

Why not just leave it the way it is, but when an admin is found with multiple ID's or paid posters, give them a warning and let that warning be seen by all, then the second time just move the thread to closed.

Keep things the way they are.

here's a idea that just came to me...

why not enforce a probation period? Basically saying, upon the first reported problem with a site, the thread/site would be placed on a probation period. Let's say, for example, 1 week. This would clearly be stated by MMG admin within the thread that there has been a report of a justified problem and now the site is on probabtion. Also clearly stating the time frame of the probabtion as well. After one week if the status has not changed then it will be moved to the "on hold" status.

Mitch

It really wouldn't be possible to track every individual topic like that. Also i think putting a topic on "probation" would bring us to where we are right now, and people would complain and blame MMG if the program started having problems.

The only problem I see with this is that some people just never know when to give up.

I mean people are still posting in the 12DP thread.

Others are still anxiously waiting to hear from Maurice (F.I.G.).

And what about MFP Pro?

It just wouldn't seem right without that final closure

Ok here is how I see it..

Bad side..
New comers can be confused and see that there is no help from MMG as to say if its scam or not and "might" (I said might) still blame MMG for spending.

Good sides..
MMG can not be left to blame, they have no control of the placement (except categorizing).

And for once people will start reading and learning how to do some DD and start working with their fellow members to find info, or discuss the programs.
It wont just be a few paid posts and than "oh ok it must be good".. People will start doing like they used to.. Discussing!

Isn't this a discussion board after all

I still think that will lead to trolling and unsubstantiated bashing. Most people aren't that good with dd, but can seem to be experts at speculating.

Well seeing as there is still a lot of mods they can easily still enforce the no trolling rule
Trolling can be done anywhere, don't think just because people start to discuss things it would turn to trolling.

Some would only consider trolling people trying to ask questions.. I have seen that before
Just because they ask a little DD, everyone bashes them for not instantly jumping on the bandwagon...

"Real" trolling will be taken care of if you just report it. Discussion and opinionated comments are allowed on a free open forum....

I worry about that too. I may become one of the worst offenders.

Spilt the folder

into

Closed programs ----Only if they have refunded or ended on a positive note
not with an admins fairytale.

Scams or highly suspect programs------with some red large font thrown in

They used to be seperate actually.
Just not feasible at this point with the number of threads.

lol you troublemaker

Could be fun.

I get in trouble all the time.
You get over it

Yeah, I see he changed it again

Do you still work here?

I haven't spent this much time in the top part of MMG for a long time.

I'm saving money today!

same here..i was just about to go spend in the closed section when all this started...

Are they done impersonating us?
It's getting BOR-ING

The fake votes have been removed from the poll

wow, im enjoying this thread

voted for #1

And I thought voting season didn't begin untill November

Thanks Jason
Just trying to keep it fair

Damn I am missing the fun

second option.
dishonest admin must be punished.

I voted. Leave it the way it is, but realy need to have the mods read the terms of the site that has been reported before moving. Can't go by what the trolls may say.


WTF did I miss in here? Last I checked in here it was only two pages.