Thanks for posting the update. IVCC Is a huge SCAM and a FRAUD with prove?

TO OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE-- BEFORE YOU SEND ANY FUNDS, PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL!

I SENT THEM $270 AND HAVE NOT RECEIVED MY LR. I SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THAT I NEEDED THE LR URGENTLY TO PAY MY LANDLORD (WHO LIVES IN THE BAHAMAS AND PREFERS TO RECEIVE THE RENT MONEY BY LR). INSTEAD THIS SERVICE, IF YOU CAN CALL IT ONE, HAS BEEN GIVING MY FAMILY A VERY HARD TIME. WE WERE FORCED TO BORROW FROM A CHECK-CASHING LOCATION AT 22 PERCENT INTEREST JUST SO WE DON'T GET EVICTED!

THESE ARE THE DETAILS OF THE TRANSFER I SENT WHOEVER IS BEHIND M-GOLD:
Your Money Transfer Control Number [MTCN] is : 7681756050
Please use this number for all inquiries.
Date of Order: 09/29/2011
Time of Order: 11:18 a.m. ET
Amount Sent: $270.00
Money Transfer Fee: $27.00
Total Amount: $297.00
Exchange rate* 1 USD= 0.7095782 EUR
Local currency pay out= 191.59 EUR

THIS PAYMENT CAN BE TRACED ON THE WESTERN UNION WEBSITE.

AFTER I SENT THE PAYMENT, I RECEIVED THIS EMAIL:


Thanks your details have been received. I will send it to our Western Union receiver and get your order completed asap.
M-Gold

I WAITED AND WAITED AND STILL NO LR ON MY ACCOUNT. WHEN I ASKED ABOUT IT, THIS IS WHAT I GOT IN RESPONSE:

Its not my fault that your landlord is threatening to evict you. Maybe if you were a little more responsible and paid your rent on time, and sent the WU details on time, your rent would be paid by now.

HE ACTS LIKE HE OWNS THE MONEY SENT. HARD EARNED MONEY I HAD TO WORK LONG HOURS FOR. THIS IS A TERRIBLE SERVICE. I LITERALLY HAD TO BEG FOR THE FUNDS-- MY OWN MONEY-- TO BE PUT ON MY LR ACCOUNT. WHEN I AGAIN INQUIRED ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE TRANSFER, THIS IS WHAT I GOT:

As per our rules that we stated in our last email, additional emails delay your order by one day each. Your order is now schedule to be processed on Monday. Please note that, as I said in my email, if you send 3 or more emails your order will be forfeited. You have now sent 2 of those 3.
*** TO MAKE THINGS 100% CLEAR, IF YOU SEND A SINGLE ADDITIONAL EMAIL, WHICH WILL FURTHER DELAY OUR SUPPORT STAFF, WE WILL CONFISCATE YOUR FUNDS.***

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I AM WAITING FOR THE FUNDS TO REFLECT ON MY LR ACCOUNT. I HAVE ALREADY PREPARED LETTERS AND DOCUMENTS FOR FORWARDING TO THE SLOVAK POLICE IN BRATISLAVA (WHEN I EMAILED M-GOLD FOR WESTERN UNION PAYMENT INSTRUCTIONS THEY GAVE ME A RECIPIENT IN SLOVAKIA). AT LEAST I HAD THE PRESENCE OF MIND AND COMMON SENSE TO USE MY VISA CARD TO PAY FOR THE TRANSFER AND I FOUND OUT THAT MY VISA CARD PARTICIPATES IN VISA ZERO LIABILITY PROTECTION POLICY, A FRAUD PROTECTION SYSTEM. IF THE PAYMENT DOES NOT REFLECT ON MY LR ACCOUNT, MY BANK WILL FORWARD A FRAUD COMPLAINT TO WESTERN UNION WHICH IN TURN CAN LOOK INTO THE DOCUMENT USED TO IDENTIFY THE RECIPIENT IN SLOVAKIA. AS A EUROPEAN UNION MEMBER, I AM CERTAIN THAT SLOVAKIA ADHERES TO STRICT E.U. POLICIES RELATING TO DOCUMENT RETENTION AND ANTI-MONEY LAUNDERING.

I WILL ALSO COMMUNICATE WITH LIBERTY RESERVE AND EXPLAIN THIS SITUATION. THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM THAT CAN AFFECT THE LIVES OF PEOPLE WHO RELY ON THIS PAYMENT SERVICE FOR CRITICAL TRANSACTIONS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ENDORSE THE EXCHANGER IN THEIR "LIST OF ACCREDITED EXCHANGERS". THEY MUST CONSIDER CREDIBILITY AND RELIABILITY ISSUES NOT JUST AS A ONCE-OFF PROCESS BUT VIA A REGULARLY RECURRING AUDIT PROCEDURE. PEOPLE'S MONEY IS AT STAKE HERE AND IT CAN HAVE DEVASTATING EFFECTS ON SOME PEOPLE'S LIVES, REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT INVOLVED.

IT IS A SAD THING TO PUT ONE'S FAITH AND CONFIDENCE IN THIS TYPE OF SERVICE, ONLY TO BE DISAPPOINTED TO AN EXTENT WHERE EVEN A FAMILY SUFFERS.

I SEE IN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS POSTS OF ANOTHER FORUM USER THAT THE SAME TONE IS USED:

TO QUOTE: "Please also be aware did we did contact him many times he told us that money is LOST for sending him to many e-mails….!"

THIS IS CLEARLY A WAY TO KEEP CLIENTS FROM ASKING ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE TRANSACTION. IT PUTS THE BUYER IN A DIFFICULT POSITION BECAUSE THERE IS THIS THREAT OF LOSING THE MONEY IF ONE INQUIRES ABOUT THE REASON FOR THE DELAY.

I'd be losing that landlord fast, all that painful HOO HA plus size 5 or is it size 6 caps? What's up with cash --> wu --landlord.

The 22% check cashing mob deliver LR I take it?

This post has been edited by tdinoz: Oct 1 2011, 05:51 PM

There are only three days since the order, and two of them are weekend days. If your landlord requires you to engage in some obscure internet transactions for something as important as rent instead of the usual means of receiving it, why wait so long? You are only stressing yourself out by leaving no room for the order to be completed even with a slight delay.

That's a natural choice, but someone who can't afford to lose $270 isn't likely to be able to afford a better landlord any time soon no matter what hoops they'd have to jump through with the current one.

As I understand it, your order has been processed.

Patryn can really say whatever he wants, denying any links between VFS-Network and m-gold, other than professional ones... the truth is... He owns both. So whenever Patryn asks you to file a complaint with VFS... you are sending him an email.

I know, I know, your next words will be: You have no proof. I'm delirious. I'm jealous...

Well... it might be because you made a very big mistake while registering and setting up your domains... a very big N00B move on your part.

Let's take both domains.

m-gold.com DNS Record information

m-gold.com A 5 minutes 174.142.176.91 ()
m-gold.com MX 1 hour 0 mail.m-gold.com
m-gold.com NS 1 day ns2.blockdos.net
m-gold.com NS 1 day ns3.blockdos.net
m-gold.com NS 1 day ns5.blockdos.net
m-gold.com SOA 1 day ns2.blockdos.net. mmunaf.gmail.com. 2008073101 900 7200 3600000 86400
mail.m-gold.com A 5 minutes 174.142.176.91 ()
www.m-gold.com CNAME 15 minutes m-gold.com

Now let's take vfs-network.com

mail.vfs-network.com CNAME 5 minutes vfs-network.com
vfs-network.com A 5 minutes 72.55.188.7 (Montreal, QC, CA)
vfs-network.com MX 5 minutes 0 vfs-network.com
vfs-network.com NS 1 day ns1.dnsgeo.com
vfs-network.com NS 1 day ns2.dnsgeo.com
vfs-network.com SOA 1 day ns1.dnsgeo.com. support.server4sale.com. 2011060902 86400 7200 3600000 86400
www.vfs-network.com CNAME 5 minutes vfs-network.com

Don't see it yet? that can be normal due to some attempt to dissociate both.

Let's go and query both MX records:


m-gold.com MX 1 hour 0 mail.m-gold.com points to 174.142.176.91
vfs-network.com MX 5 minutes 0 vfs-network.com points to 72.55.188.7

Wow... so... wait a minute.... vfs-network's mail is being delivered to m-gold and vice versa?

And both domains are being hosted by iweb technologies out of Montreal, QC?

Nice try hiding the domain with AB, CA info when everything else is pointing to Montreal.... anyways...

You guys want to deal with this "exchanger" who has denied so much... and yet... lied so much.... go ahead...Nice try Michael, or Omar or whatever you go by these days....

And soon, his face and his address revealed to the world... Nice try dodging your old mates who you betrayed... you know what I mean... Right?? hahahaha

This post has been edited by johnydoeyay: Jan 16 2012, 01:42 PM

I'm too technically challenged to be able to tell from the info you posted if this is a correct conclusion from the data, but even if so, how does it prove that Patryn owns M-gold? If VFS regulates M-Gold, why simple sharing of online marketing resources leads to so many conspiracies?


Wow. Gotta love this logic. Let's see if it works in real life. My neighbor lives in the same building as I do, so we must be the same person. Lord, I hope not.



Forgetting to get enraged about your complete lack of ethics with respect to privacy of other people, how much are you willing to bet that you are going to reveal the right person? I'm close to 100% sure that it will be yet another drama pointing in the wrong direction.

We have been hearing this for over eight years. So far, nine people who I am supposed to be have been revealed to the world. Who is number ten? The world doesn't care any more. I have met with the owners of every major payment processor and most major exchangers. I ran two failed programs in 2004. Since then, I have cleaned up and regulated much of the EC industry. Most are happy. Why aren't you?

I have been using M-Gold to process my HD-Money exchanges for quite a while now and I haven't experienced any major issues. Sure there are occasionally delays here and there, in particular during the weekends. But overall I am quite impressed with their service.

Despite all the bad things that people have to say about Patryn, he doesn't seem like that bad of guy.

I made a payment Friday, May 14 with M-gold I'll let you know!

to this day I still have not been paid !

Date: May 04, 2012 - 02:37
Currency: Liberty Reserve
Account: U6054789
Payment by: Western Union
Amount: $50.00
Fees: $2.63
Bank fee: $0.00
Total: $52.63
Order ref: mgb4fa37922f401e
Name: Cinqval ******
Email: parano971@gmail.com

Thank you !

This post has been edited by Johncartel61: May 9 2012, 06:23 AM

m-gold to withdraw the money westernunion today but I have not received my payment LibertReserv

Why do you people bother posting complaints in M-gold thread on MMG? This exchanger doesn't seem to provide support or even to have a userID on this forum. The only advice you are going to get here is to file a dispute with Patryn/VFS since M-Gold is regulated by the VFS.

M-Gold currently has no outstanding disputes. As such, I assume that the issue above was resolved.