You maybe telling yourself yeah I can see a scam by a far
..this can't be true, there is no way, it's impossible.

If it sounds to good to be true - then its to good to be ignored.

Some would be so quick to cast it off as a scam, but later
discovering they to are caught up in a web of deceit
and lies that keeps them in the dark from knowing the REAL
TRUTH about banking and who really owns and controls (America. Inc)

Yes, America was incorporated in England in the early 1860's.
which means we are all under different laws/rules in the game.

When I talk to People they absolutely have no idea what has been done to
them fraudulently with the intent is to keep you in bondage with the banks and to
enslave you into debt forever.

...Can some of you feel the Iron grip of the banksters.

Well how come you've never heard about coverting debt into cash.
Didn't you know that the truth is and has always been
hidden from the general public.

You are not suppose to know what is about to be exposed to you today.

Someone has figured it and the internet community is catching wind of it.

The system as we know it is not going to educate you or aleast let you in on the scam.
...You must be willing to learn and search out the cold hard truth yourself.

Imagine if the majority of people found out they funded their
own loans and banks only appear to lend you money.
then have the nerve to call and harrass you for something
they never gave you and charge you interest on it.

Yea! you read it right. Banks only appear to lend you money.
For those who know exactly what I'm talking about knows this is
true in deed.

I apologize if you had to find out about it this way. I just thought
you should know these things and have a once in a lifetime opportunity
do something about it.

Most americans don't know of the fraud being committed on a daily
basis.

This is one of the reasons why I'm here to inform all of you.

To some of you, all the information that will be revealed to
you, you may find it to be mind boggling at first
because these things weren't taught to you.

It would make you mad as hell to know you are paying back
interest on money that was never loaned to at all.

How many of you would like to know how to secure a judgement against
your bank. - this should get your interest level up as it does for most people
when I ask that same question.

Some will ask well, where do they get all this money from which
they ONLY appear to loan? This will be uncovered when you start
your new journey to search out the hard-hitting truth about the
banking system. - YOU will be surprised to find out who that
money really comes from.

Caution: please be prepare to be open-minded about what you' re
about to discover. This may take some time to get use to.

Take as much time as possible to educate yourself and determine
if this is right for you or not.

After this experience you will began to think twice about the banking
system but aleast well informed about your current montary system.

You always knew something wasn't right but couldn't quite put
your hands on it or some of you never knew it was alot more
going on than the average american knew about.

Now you are about learn about a very-very powerful
process that has the potential to

...Lets just say you could secure a financial
future for you and your family only if you wish to obtain it.
It could be yours if you so desire it. I talking realistically.

NOT in 5 years, 3 years or 2 years I'm talking shorter than what you
have in mind.

Thats why I have tooken upon myself to help enlighten you and to invite
you to checkout for yourself what is known to only a few.

Position yourself now. Get ready - when the opportunity presents itself
what will you do.

Follow the directions as the site has instructed.

It's now up to each and everyone of you who has read this thread
to decide if you rather have a life of continous debt or total financial freedom.

It's a no brainer - a win/win situation for all.

This is for educational purposes ONLY - The time is NOW folks.

Welcome and congradulations towards taking a new direction in life
http://www.freedomclubusa.com - PM for addtional infomation

You decide if this is the real DEAL or NOT.

"You have nothing to lose but everything to gain from knowledge if applied
effectively."

brought to you by: J. Manley

To bad it doesnt haing anything to do with hyip

What if one day you discovered your bank you received your loan from
didn't lend you money at all but it appeared to look that way.

So you were under the impression you were loaned this large amount
of money, you made your payments plus interest on time
without EVER knowing what really took place
that day when you signed the promissory note.

..your bank forgot to tell you or didnt disclose to you what really happened.

Now this little known secret is exposed and the truth
is being revealed to the people to share in this valuable infomation
but best of all how you can use this process to your advantage to secure a
future for you and your family for the rest of your life.

If banks can't lend their own money ...where does that money come from they
loaned to "YOU". - the shocking truth will stun you.

This is for educational purposes ONLY - its up to you to decide your future NOW

http://www.freedomclubusa.com

brought to you by: J. Manley
[/quote]

Don't forget to sign-up for your newsletter

Weekly teleconference call

Monday @ 9pm Eastern time

Conference number and pin# is within the weekly newsletter.

The FCUSA intro call provides an excellent recorded audio of their mission and the history of banking and how you can legally reclaim what has been taken from you from federal reserve bank loans and the IRS. Significant returns are available for the following: Mortgages, Credit Cards, Student Loans, Auto Loans and IRS.

This post has been edited by smartmoney: Jan 28 2007, 01:58 PM

Here is a better understanding to whats done to people who get approved for loans this is how it
really works folks.

WHAT THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND THE GOVERNMENT ARE DOING AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, LOCAL BANKS ARE DOING WITH US AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. The only difference is that instead of printing new notes, the banks are creating new checkbook money each time they make a loan.

Here's what happens when you go to the bank to get a loan for your vehicle:

The bank has you sign a Promissory Note.
The back of the note is then stamped, "pay to order of" or similar words.
The note is then deposited into a transaction account in your name. Now this was not disclosed to you before you signed the note and you did not give them the authority to open a transaction account on your name.
The bank then writes a check from your transaction account deposit that you had no knowledge of, either to you or transfers the amount to those who should be receiving it.
The bank then sells the note to Federal Reserve or into the securities market. The proceeds of which, are used to fund the alleged loan.
Through the bank selling your note, YOU PAID FOR YOUR PURCHASE WITH THE PROMISSORY NOTE. Your note was treated by the bank as an asset that could be exchanged for cash. Anything that you can exchange for cash is an asset. What 95 % of America does not realize is that within our monetary system a Promissory Note is an asset. The moment you signed that note it became money to the bank. There was no money in existence until you signed the note. Once the bank stamped it "pay to the order of" it became a negotiable instrument. To the bank, it had Present Value, because they were able to sell it for cash. To you it only had Future Value.

What's wrong with this loan scenario? You always suspected that there was something not right when you went for a loan from the bank. Now you know what it is. Let me give you a simple illustration that will help you to understand this.

Imagine if you came to me needing a loan.

You: "Can you give me a loan for $10,000."

Me: "sure I'll loan you $10,000, but you have to give me an asset worth $10,000."

You: "All I've got is this diamond ring worth $10,000."

Me: "That will do." I then take the ring and sell it for $10,000, and come back to

You with a check for $10,000.

Me: "Here's your $10,000 loan at 10% interest, and the payments are $200 a

month for x number of years."

You: "xxxxxxx!" We won't even print what you would tell me to do with that loan.

In fact if you called the police I would go to jail for fraud, loan sharking, racketeering etc. BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE BANKS ARE DOING EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Now what is wrong with this loan? EVERYTHING!

It's not a loan. It's an exchange. We simply exchanged your diamond for a $10,000 check.
It never cost me anything to make the loan. I brought nothing to the table. My assets did not decrease by $10,000, as would be the case in a true, honest loan. Therefore I had no risk.
You provided the asset (the diamond ring). I merely sold it and gave you back your money, and then had the unmitigated gall to charge you interest on nothing.
In the same way, YOUR PROMISSORY NOTE BECAME THE FUNDING INSTRUMENT OF YOUR BANK LOAN. The bank received it as an asset, as legal tender, i.e. in the form of money and deposited in an account. According to the Uniform Commercial Code, a promissory note is a negotiable instrument, and is therefore legal tender. As such it is the funding instrument. Therefore there was no loan. It was an exchange. Your note which, could be monetized by the bank, was exchanged for the bank's check. And the bank lied and called it a loan. Banks and lending institutions only appear to lend money.

The "lending" techniques that are used are beyond brilliant. It took some very, very smart people to figure out how to appear to be lending money, but in actuality have the value supplied by the person wanting a loan. And that is what is happening.

"THIS IS TOO INCREDIBLE TO BELIEVE, SHOW ME PROOF."

If you are finding this rather difficult to believe, let's look at some Federal Reserve Bank publications, which actually admit that this is how bank loans work.

"Transaction deposits are the modern counterpart of bank notes. It was a small step from printing notes to making book entries crediting deposits of borrowers, which the borrowers in turn could "spend" by writing checks, thereby "printing" their own money."

Modern Money Mechanics, page 3, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.

"Of course they do not really pay out loans from the money they receive as deposits. If they did this, no additional money would be created. What they do when they make loans is to accept promissory notes in exchange for credits to the borrowers' transaction accounts. Loans (assets) and deposits (liabilities) both rise by $9,000. Reserves are unchanged by the loan transactions. But the deposit credits constitute new additions to the total deposits of the banking system."

Modern Money Mechanics, page 6, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.

According to the Fed, it is not their policy to make loans from other depositor's money. Neither do they make loans from their own assets. They make loans by accepting promissory notes in exchange for credits to the borrower's transaction account. They even admit that it's an exchange. IF IT'S AN EXCHANGE HOW CAN IT BE A LOAN?

"In exchange for the note or security, the lending institution credits the depositor's account or gives a check that can be deposited at yet another depository institution."

Two Faces of Debt, page 19 Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.

You want more proof: THE BANK'S OWN BOOKKEEPING ENTRIES ARE PROOF. Let's say the bank receives a $1,000.00 check deposit. It is recorded as an asset to the bank. But in order to balance their books, on the other side of the ledger they have to record a $1,000.00 liability. The bank has an asset for $1,000.00, but it also has a liability of $1,000.00 to you, the depositor. The bank owes you $1,000.00. You have a right to draw on that $1,000.00 whenever you choose. Now when you purchased your vehicle instead of a check you gave the bank a signed promissory note. The bank deposited it, just like a check or cash, in a transaction account in your name. Now remember that all deposits are received as assets to the bank. However, they also have a corresponding liability to the face value of your promissory note. Therefore, in reality you don't owe the bank anything. You simply exchanged your promissory note for their check, which paid for the vehicle. The account is a wash. SO WHY ARE WE PAYING MONTHLY PAYMENTS AND INTEREST FOR SOMETHING THAT, WITHIN OUR MONETARY SYSTEM, HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR?

Actually the bank owes you! They still do not own your promissory note. They made an exchange - your promissory note (asset to the bank) was exchanged for the face value of the note. They deposited your note and then sold it remember. Therefore, on their books they still have a liability to you.

Join us at freedomclubusadotcom - It may be one of the best decisions in your life.

Learn how to convert these debts into cash.

- Mortgages,
- Credit Cards,
- Student Loans,
- Auto Loans and
- IRS.

HOW?

When banks extend loans, there are violations of Federal,
State and International law.

WHY?

It is very obvious who controls the government and the people
of the United States; the one who controls the bankruptcy and
the creation of money through debt, the Federal Reserve.

"The borrower is the slave of the lender."

The Federal Reserve Notes that we call dollar bills, and circulate
among ourselves as, money, is not true money.
They are exactly what they say they are, "Notes" i.e. evidences of debt.
Our money system therefore is one in which debt, starting with the
government's debt, and private debt, has been monetized.

What has Congress declared to be legal tender today? Federal Reserve Notes,
which are evidences of the government's debt to the Federal Reserve.
As crazy as this may seem, we pay or discharge debt with debt.

Freedomclubusa will take you on a journey that begins in the 1600's.
Along the way, you will learn about the creation of Money,
the definition of Money, and the distinction between Money and Currency.

You will also learn who the first Bankers were, and how they quickly became Lenders.
You will learn how a free, gold backed banking system is supposed to work, and
why the Bankers of the world decided long ago that they couldn't live
within the confines of such a system.

The Federal Reserve Notes that we call dollar bills, and circulate
among ourselves as, money, is not true money.
They are exactly what they say they are, "Notes" i.e. evidences of debt.

why?

Over the last years and months there has been an enormous number of challenges toward our sovereign freedoms. Foreclosures, bankruptcies, taxes, loss of sovereignty, enemy of the state, un-patriot act, ID's, chips, 911, weather modification, spying, wire taping, Codex, etc.

A long time coming:
These events have been increasing and have been escalating over the last 90+ years. No matter the political party or who the national leaders, each administration has left us weaker than the previous. What we are seeing now is a century of the effect of court corruption, banking corruption, political corruption and corporate corruption that have reach new peaks.


We have turned to our political leaders for more laws to protect us and instead we have been outmaneuvered by well paid lobbyist and bribed politicians looking for ways to increase their power over us thru taxes, courts, banking, drug companies and big business.


Perhaps we have failed to see that demanding from government what is (was) inherently ours simply gives away our power to those who choose to rule us - weakening us further. The constitution is there to define the very limited government's control and everything else defaults to us. We have seen this totally reverse. We are being controlled by the governments we created without a sovereign constitution but a corporate imitation constitution..


When we come to realize as our forefathers did that the government is just a mirror of the majority of the people, we have had a significant part in their rise to power. We have continuously empowered them to "take care of us". Some was thru manipulation (Federal Reserve, IRS, Bankruptcy, Strawman-your name in all capital letters), yet others thru NOT taking responsibility for ourselves (welfare, grants, aid, jobs, subsidizing, etc). When we allow governments to steal (illegal taxes, emanate domain, etc) and redistribute to their advantage, we then see a country controlled by money and politics not for the good of the people.


So we have gotten what we have allowed... until we awaken.

contact me we have a solution for you

Support - Federal Reserve Transparency Act HR 1207 - Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PC9fkL

From the desk of Smartmoney: Topic: Education that unlocks wealth

Hello to all MMG members and reviewers.

I appreciate all and everyone who's been skimming thru this
thread I've started over 2 years ago.

I felt compelled to share my belief with anyone who was willin to spare
just a few precious moments out of their time.

Im very pleased to say thank you to all for extending a moment of your time.

As we all know the banking Cartel FEDERAL RESERVE has ultimately hide behind every major structure
(religion,politics,WARS are profitable) in the world for centuries without the general public ever
detecting any invovlement. -

One Republican spoke very strongly aganist the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK - - look under political career
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Thomas_McFadden

Needless to say how artificial boom & bust cycles are created.
How stock markets crashes are engineered.

Panic of 1907 - J.P Morgan influences -
(siezed opportunity to buy up corporations for pennies on the dollar)
Great Depression- Stock markert crash 1929


Also the FEDERAL RESERVE (private corp) controls the interest rate and
the money supply of this nation.
google - "December 23, 1913" exact day this nation monetary system handed over to a private bank




As for the real reason to why I'm posting today is....
I always remebered what my grandfather told me, "Truth stands up to logical research".

I've been investigating and researching the history of banking and commerce.

I find theres a connection between U.S bankrupty of 1933 and House Joint Resolution 192
for many of you who aren't familiar with this HR 192 is our insurance policy.
basically it is stating all real money (GOLD) has been tooken out of circulation
which means there is no real money (GOLD/substance) to pay off debt with.

You can't discharge a debt by merely paying it with a debt instrument -(Fait currency/Federal reverse notes)

Let me get back to my point.

What if you could simply recover all payments you have ever paid towards your bank loan?
Wait... Hold on.... I know what your thinking and no its not that type of tea party.

What if and this is a BIG what if? Im just staying IF there is a simple legal, ethical, and powerful process that could possibly provide you with money.

Im talking zero interest and without having to pay it back.

Would you be interested in knowning exactly how this process actually works?

Such a process exist and as for most people when opportunity presents itself
We attempt to create excuses for our lack of understanding of true knowledge.

"Ignorance of the truth is NO excuse"

NOW is the time to investigate. Perhaps with the properly tools and resources you will
be more than armed with the proper knowledge to make the right life decision.

Dial the number just below and decide for yourself then PM me.
You're about to witness an opportunity that few have the ability to understand.
Here you will find a belief that is not commonly shared with the general public.

I will also email you the recorded call with the founder/director/head-of-research team
this will give you an up-to-date details on where this technology is leading us.

If not now, then when?

This may be true, but after many years how many have received funding? The only people making money are
the one running the program and the greedy people recruiting the newbies to make $500.00.........
Think about it! Are we going into 2010 with false promises?????

Advertise With MMG. Click Here Now To Find Out How.