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post Dec 13 2013, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE (creageous @ Dec 13 2013, 08:56 AM) *
Just obey the basic rules of investing online and MTV can make you a little richer if you are smart and pay attention. If you don't pay attention any of the sites listed here on this forum will be happy to steal your money, which the people here give freely to the most unscrupulous characters... go figure. But here we are.

Have fun!


PAY ATTENTION
I love how you said that. Jo gives tips how to be profitable and not lose in the EF.
My focus is on the monitor at the moment. The setup makes it more organic (a hybrid of other monitors),


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QUOTE (passivetools4u @ Dec 13 2013, 01:05 PM) *
@bm66

I like your perspective, always be careful and NEVER invest what you can't afford to lose.
Looking forward to more information/ insight from you.

I'm in the top 5% of investors at MTV, I believe in this program, yet I don't throw in my essential money thinking I will win shekels. Just enough to make a daily living.

Quote of the day:
"if you can't see the wrong, then you're dreaming"
(meaning: You have to see both sides of the story)


The other plans on that site are no risk, even though they are ponziesque, (sort of) everyone gets paid eventually, no matter how long it takes. It all comes down to how long the site owner wants to run the site to reach that stage.

For the experiment fund, I was a member on BASEBUCKS v1, site run by the same admin Jo, he had an exp fund too and back then he claimed it was his team's forex EA, I forgot the details but he explained it was some high leverage or some sort, then when MTV started he claimed EXP fund in basebucks was not that big of a deal as he broke even so it was not worth it....Funny how he changed idea when he saw that his site was slow......Strange now that he does not reveal the forex thing.

To be honest like any HYIP one should never believe claims. I don't think he is doing forex this time around. I think the % are manipulated like any HYIP.

Remember folks, you all got burned in JP-DAILY and POKERBYPROXY, and many other poker HYIP or any HYIP that claimed they used your money for X activity. Don't be fooled. I think the exp fund is a money trap,
the % are manipulated, it is just a ponzi......like pokerprofits.ca and pokerbyproxy, you will notice the same patterns between wins / losses, they are sort of rythmic. It's all about using accounting tricks, generate positive results fro a while, that brings new bigger investors that put in money, then generate bigger losses, that essentially claws the new money and that is used to pay previous returns.......You do the same and that is how you buy time.......... It's good that people are making profits from EXP FUND but don't be greedy and beware you will all be burned very badly eventually as there will be far more massive losses. Remember folks,
there is no limit as to the % loss........Remember that Pokerbyproxy lied to you about the max loss at -5%, then one day he scammed you all with -99%.........Same will happen with exp fund, one of those days you will all see back to back losses getting bigger and bigger........but the admin is clever, he will then turn around and say "hey I warned you !". This was a clever scheme employed by Richard O'Neil, always covering his arse by warning people to invest sensibly and that it is high risk......

I urge people to be careful ! I know what I am talking about I know this site owner and I know the programs he ran/runs and it is always the same bloody excuses......

Those who invested early in exp fund get your principle out !!! Use your profits to grow and invest. This way if exp fund crashes, your initial spend will be safe.......

And like I said, even if his EXP FUND was really forex EA, these things are not reliable long term and people will either break even or lose which is more likely. If you compound and are greedy you will get burned, remember those words......

I am just so surprised to see the SAME people barely get burned by POKERBYPROXY encourage this site or
any ponzi HYIP.
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QUOTE (kamil333 @ Dec 13 2013, 06:50 AM) *
@Bm66 - quite nice post, but you didn't say anything new. As MTV history (basebucks etc) is described on site's faq. I think that everyone knows that experimental fund is risky one, so no one will cry after it eventually will crash (I don't think it will happenn soon, as it's well made as you mentioned).

I doubt also if Jo run pokerbyproxy, pbp spent some money here, but not much (as for hyip). I think they did it only to show the world that they really play poker and generate money. I think few people belived it and they achieve their goal

Definitely site has more money from new investments than forum products (61,3% to 38,7%) but for sure it has potential to reverse directions and earn more money from games etc. So I think that's why people invest here, they see potential this site has, with some subsidary sites it really can explode and provide some good source of income. I really don't care what admin did in the past, I care how it looks now, and what it can bring to me.

Enjoy your day wink.gif


It's not known if Jo DIRECTLY ran PBP, but I believe there is a connection. I have hard evidence here stored on a data DVD, with videos and network logs to prove he did have a connection with JP-DAILY, RICHY-INVEST, INVESTPROKER........When he was confronted about it by MNO he quickly erased the trace, luckily I had capped them before he removes them. Luckily FACEBOOK accounts are never really deleted, every thing is kept in back logs if need be one day.........same for back logs / server logs of INVESTPROKER. He will always deny and lie as he is a pro, but evidence does not lie He went to big trouble to silence me and have the evidence removed from the file hosts and from MNO. Some people seem to have found out before I do because I also read on spanish forums people aware that he is somehow connected to other scams that he alelgedly used to fund MTV. FUNNY how the name "Carlos G Garcia" SAME postal address, SAME location SAME IP was seen in server logs for investproker. SAME INFO linked to basebucks v2 and MTV, SAME guy Jo claimed funded his program this says a lot.

So you can all go ahead and trust someone who was not 100% truthful.

Richard O'Neil, known to every HYIP monitor as an evil scammer, also spent a fortune on MMG for his poker scams.........The same Richard O'neil who had a facebook page which had MTV URL in it !!! This was posted
on talkgold initially, when Paul asked this in BB interview, he got a response 1 week later from Jo, after
of course the URL was removed from the facebook page.

http://money-news-online.com/blog/2011/10/...n-of-basebucks/

Look at the interview where he confronts Jo about the facebook page of Richard O'Neil, he quickly erased it
then answered Paul. Notice that none of the evidence links work as he went to big length to get them
removed........Luckily I still have the evidence stored.

Good for you if you are all making profits from MTV, but a site that has an arrogant owner who has been
very rude and treats his members like **** (you can go search on his forum you will see plenty of people pissed off at him, look how he acts and responds...........he was told he is not a people person.........) many were FED UP with his lies and contradictions.......I had big hopes but when I found out his connection to scams I pulled out quickly. Then I came back to MTV thinking he had changed for the better, but then I see the same poker scams over and over, so nope, he has not changed, so regardless of whether he makes people millions of $, don't think he is worth being invested into. I don't think his site was funded with clean money, at least not 100% of it.

Good luck to all investing there, I don't think MTV will become a scam anytime soon, but the guy is disrespectful and has proven so to some of his biggest investors, and I don't think his motives are 100% clean either.
I do think the exp fund thing is a trap, much like the poker scams.

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QUOTE (Bm66 @ Dec 12 2013, 11:30 PM) *
Be careful people ! As a former member of BASEBUCKS1, the original site where this EXPERIMENT FUND thing
started, I can tell you that in the long run it might not be a good idea to invest.

First things first. When it was running on BASEBUCKS the admin claimed it was some forex software / EA.......Proof of that can be seen on MNO interview where he admits that initially they were trying to promote their FOREX software. In public and private he said he was investing using their forex software.........Strange, because once the experiment fund was removed he said he would never incorporate this feature in MTV because he claimed he broke even........All of a sudden out of nowhere he decides to bring this back only now he is hiding to his new members, who were not basebuck members or aware of the past EXP FUND, that it could be forex..........If it is forex, then he is pooling funds, which is illegal - He is not licensed by the Belize IFSC.

BUT.........why is he not disclosing where the money is generated in exp fund this time around ? Why are investors trusting blindly this individual who claims his program is not a ponzi and fully transparent when he fails to disclose what the EXP fund and where the $16k (until now) is invested ????????? Amazing.........

More so I don't believe he is really using forex this time around......he could be using accounting tricks
and manipulating results. I see the same rythmic patterns as I see with investproker, jp-daily, and pokerbyproxy.......I think have a clear idea now how this all works.

In my opinion it's a trap......Eventually the big losses will come and the money will be sucked away, and he
can do so legally because he warned you all that this is big risk and not to invest more than you can afford to lose.

Please note that Richard O'Neil mentioned the same phrases with his poker ventures.

I implore people to be extra careful, this individual is arrogant has proven he can piss off many of his investors, and silence / ban those who disagree with him - he is not really fully transparent and is not a people person,
Whether the EXP FUND is just another clever ponzi trick (which I think it is) or really a high risk forex thing,
in the long run it will not be viable and will come crashing down and people will once again wake up from
the illusion.

People wake the bloody hell up !!! Don't you see before your eyes what this is ? If one could make those consistent results with forex day after day after day long run, there would be many multi millionaires.

I must really give him credit where due, I think the guy is fit to run HYIPs, the way EXP fund work is CLEVER........the refund system, reserves, etc........great concept......but unless proven otherwise, I think
you should all consider it as nothing more than a ponzi / game. Money does not grow on trees,
the big losses back to back will come folks......If you haven't learned your lesson with JP-DAILY, investproker,
pokerbyproxy, and the rythmic results in one of basebucks1 daily plan, then you really are clueless
and have not learned anything.

I will be glad to come back and say I told you so once again..........I warned you all to stay away from POKERBYPROXY as the person running it is the same person who fooled and scammed you with
pokerprofits.ca, jp-daily, investproker, etc.........Now people get fooled again.

The guy is incorporating too many ponzi elements in his site and claims he is not a ponzi, I mean what
kind of joke is that ? It is undeniable, that despite the revenues from games, the majority of income
is generated from the investment plans which are ponzi.......EVEN if a % is used to develop products,
FACT is FACT.........and will always remain FACT, a large percentage of people's returns are based on
new investments......... IT IS TRUE however, that everyone gets paid no matter how long it takes,
assuming the admin will want to last that long, but ponzi is ponzi......When he removes EXP FUND,
and all the daily % plans and his only source of income is advertising, games, and other, then
he can be considered a real business, until then he is just another clever HYIP that buys time with
a portfolio.......he is a sinking ship basically always finding excuses and blaming others...
when things don't go his way he will swap your investments into shares....rince and recycle and repeat.

People are going to get burned with EXP FUND the same way with the POKER HYIPs. Now assuming he really is using forex EA, if he is, then he should know better that these things are worthless in the long run......Now even a skilled forex trader will run into very bad days........If it is a ponzi, then eventually the EXP FUND will crash.
If it is FOREX and he is using EA, in the long run people will either break even or lose.......it's not a long
term viable solution...........Those who are in profit or early in do the right thing and cash out your principle ASAP and only invest your profits for 0% risk.

Personally I am not part of this site anymore as I was silenced - I have a lot of evidence and information about the site owner, and only invested in games, where I lost all but though the had changed since the early days, but don't feel he needs to be encouraged with my money anymore..........



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QUOTE (creageous @ Dec 12 2013, 12:01 PM) *
If the bidding system comes back on line I think that might allow the price to dip more than helping it go back up.


Looks like you are right. Prices did dip more now that the Bidding System has been fixed.

But look how much more active the shares market place is! It's like 5 X more active, literally.

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You are all being duped ! Some of us close circle have evidence against him that he is involved in running other HYIP /SCAMS in the past, particularly PokerByProxy, InvestProker, JP-DAILY, and operated for years under the guise of Richard O'Neil. You are being fooled by the Experiment Fund. Even Richard O'Neil tried to gain trust by pretending to give tips for people not to lose and mention the "high risk invest what you can afford to lose" bit.

It's all a ruse. Now you lot are seeing bigger more frequent losses in the EXP FUND....

That's how he works. At first he generates high results, then he uses that to lure more bigger investors by buying advertisements big time......then the big fish comes in and dumps money, more bigger investors and then the losing days arrive more frequent, back to back and larger than ever.........That's the same method used by his previous endeavors such as PokerByProxy and all the poker scams he played a part in.

If anybody here, I'm sure you lot remember RICHY INVEST and you are familiar with RIchard O'neil ?
Come on, there are many discussions about these sites on MMG............Look for RichyInvest........the guy
used to have a facebook profile www.facebook.com/richyinvest of course now the page is long gone but
I'm sure it must be archived somewhere. FACEBOOk does have it in their back logs, and I have a video copy
of the live site. That site was Richard O'Neil's facebook when he ran RichyInvest......... Some con artists
slip and are plain dumb..........he had the mytrafficvalue URL on that facebook page. MNO tried confronting him about it and mysterously it got removed ! There is more hard evidence.

Of course close to christmas and all what better way to find ways to scam you!

Double personality guy, fools people by running a so called legit business (that it is not, because it is majority a PONZI) and on the other side quietly running scams and laughing to the bank, thinking everyone is dumb and would not notice.

Now all the profits people made in the EF he is trying to claw back from new investors by generating those big losses.

Remember I am familiar with his antics from basebucks v1, and I can see the SAME patterns of activity
from those of JP-DAILY, INVESTPROKER, and all of the "Richy" brand of products of the past.

I warned you that there would be big back to back losses to come.

Still don't believe, then keep on investing with this guy and you will find out son that you will be burned.

But he will turn around and say in his greedy innocence that he warned you all to invest sensibly......

Richard O'Neil did the same LOL. Nice reverse psychology, try to make yourself the good honest guy.

In reality he knows people are greedy and will invest their profits back.

BE CAREFUL PEOPLE!

If you are in profit with EF cash out now ! Don't compound your principle, just re-invest your profits
His site is a sinking ship !!! People now are more aware of his scheme, site has not gotten the growth and
popularity he had hoped for.........so now he is scrambling !
People stop believing his lies and promises...........he is the same guy behind BASEBUCKS, made big big promises, all lies and deceit. He is quick to blame others for his failures.

He tries to bail out with the debt swap dumping shares on people and telling them to bite the bullet and
leaving people in the dark on selling their shraes. Piling debt constantly, weak portfolio, games that don't pick up....Everything this guy touches fails............Perhaps it's Karma........This kind of project should be run by someone genuine, not someone involved now and int he past in big scams. Someone who went to lengths to have the evidence erased from the file hosts they were on!!!!

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No doubt that experimental fund is risky one, it has nothing to do with main idea of mytrafficvalue- I mean portfolio, products, revenues etc. No idea how it goes in the future. IMO better idea is to invest in 186/250% plans, they are definitely almost risk-free.

BTW @Bm66 it looks weird when you post the same infomation several times in short period of time, without any people responses blink.gif it seems that you response to your own posts.


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QUOTE (kamil333 @ Dec 17 2013, 11:20 AM) *
No doubt that experimental fund is risky one, it has nothing to do with main idea of mytrafficvalue- I mean portfolio, products, revenues etc. No idea how it goes in the future. IMO better idea is to invest in 186/250% plans, they are definitely almost risk-free.

BTW @Bm66 it looks weird when you post the same infomation several times in short period of time, without any people responses blink.gif it seems that you response to your own posts.


I get responses in PM and on other forums in PM, seems more people are AWARE of who he is and his team's involvement in stuff, don't worry, some people are afraid to respond because they are members there with active investments!

Back on topic, as far as experiment fund, just so everyone knows, check this site out:
www.forexhacked.com

This is what he claimed he was trying to push back in the days of BASEBUCKS, he even admitted that it
was breaking even or not too attractive to use on MTV........The guy contradicts himself and changes his mind quite often. He knows MTV is a sinking ship and EXP FUND is probably his last ditch effort. I don't think ANY of his ideas will pan out and work out in the long run unless he completely rewrites the site and removes ALL ponzi elements or even anything remotely resembling a ponzi.

As far as EXP FUND this time around I don't think he is doing forex EA, I think it is manipulation of results the same way his mate who ran pokerbyproxy and other scams he was involved with !

If the EXP FUND can manage to last over 6 months with those results and sustain itself I would be bloody impressed. Creating loss days at rythmic intervals, to recover money, and use that to pay forward future positive results, in other words clever accounting tricks........For a PONZI that is clever.....In my opinion it has no place in a program like MTV that wants to be taken seriously!

As more investors join exp fund and dump money, and the pot grows bigger, expect bigger loss days to come eventually, grinding away more money......These big losses will act as a buffer to pay forward positive results and so forth. The refund reserve thing is brilliant, but don't be fooled people, eventually as bigger losses come back to back, it can dry up in a matter of days and eventually many investors will be left in the cold.
So you are damned if you do damned if you don't.
1) If PONZI is used, it won't sustain for long and everyone will be burned

2) If FOREX EA is used, long term, people will either break even or lose big, either way long term you cannot sustain the kind of results you are seeing now

Perhaps more HYIPs should run "games" like EXP FUND, it's a good idea to stretch a little longer, as opposed to HYIPs offering daily fixed % or variable positive results, adding loss days in the mix, extends the ponzi a little longer........Exp fund is a great concept for hyip players and risk takers, but what the HELL is this doing on MTV !?!?!?

Also, pokerbyproxy, also a member of MTV, and good friend of MTV, the guy who shameless lied and scammed people, now sits QUIET winning large amountsin games and investing money in plans on MTV, no word from him after he said he would refund his users.......

Remember guys ? Richard O'Neil typical behaviour. Run scams, blame people when he crashes, then promise refunds that never happen.........

You have crooks, scam artists, HYIP thieves as members of MTV, winning games, running their programs, advertising / monitoring, unharmed, MTV facilitating and aiding those people, and then they turn around and want people to take them seriously ??? Come on people........
Remember Richard O'Neil scams ? He said you could cash out principle anytime ? Same with EXP FUND, even though you are led to believe you can cash out anytime 85%, and bail out with profits, the fact remains, if everyone did that, the EXP would be dead, ponzi that it is, it relies on people dumping their profits back and new investors, being told the site is liquid 100% is a big fat lie.....he keeps a fraction of the money in his ecurrency accounts, most of it is exchanged out and to his foreign banks......He does not have a fraction of the money to cover big jackpots or paying everyone, impossible.......people have to either invest new money or lose in games, and even so, you will need an exponential amount of users to join under to lose their money or invest to pay older investors.....

Time to accept FACTS and stop listening to certain admins with narcissistic tendencies.
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"Time to accept FACTS and stop listening to certain admins with narcissistic tendencies."

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I know this is quite off-track, but I kind of miss seeing gummibear on this thread..!!

It's been quite long he's sort of vanished; especially after this thread...

Any alternate source to contact?

Btw, I really liked the roulette here at MTV... wink.gif

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QUOTE (Voldemort @ Dec 20 2013, 04:47 AM) *
Btw, I really liked the roulette here at MTV... wink.gif


In Roulette, does anyone know if someone bets on Red, or Black and you win, do you get back double your bet?


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QUOTE (MrInteresting @ Dec 20 2013, 09:51 AM) *
In Roulette, does anyone know if someone bets on Red, or Black and you win, do you get back double your bet?


Yes. You double your money on Red/Black Odd/Even and High/Low.

If you start with $1.00 and you put $.20 on RED and win, you will have $1.20 in your balance.
Or if your put $1.00 on RED and win, you will have $2.00 in your balance.

Happy spinning!

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QUOTE (Bm66 @ Dec 19 2013, 09:50 PM) *
I get responses in PM and on other forums in PM, seems more people are AWARE of who he is and his team's involvement in stuff, don't worry, some people are afraid to respond because they are members there with active investments!

Back on topic, as far as experiment fund, just so everyone knows, check this site out:
www.forexhacked.com

This is what he claimed he was trying to push back in the days of BASEBUCKS, he even admitted that it
was breaking even or not too attractive to use on MTV........The guy contradicts himself and changes his mind quite often. He knows MTV is a sinking ship and EXP FUND is probably his last ditch effort. I don't think ANY of his ideas will pan out and work out in the long run unless he completely rewrites the site and removes ALL ponzi elements or even anything remotely resembling a ponzi.

As far as EXP FUND this time around I don't think he is doing forex EA, I think it is manipulation of results the same way his mate who ran pokerbyproxy and other scams he was involved with !

If the EXP FUND can manage to last over 6 months with those results and sustain itself I would be bloody impressed. Creating loss days at rythmic intervals, to recover money, and use that to pay forward future positive results, in other words clever accounting tricks........For a PONZI that is clever.....In my opinion it has no place in a program like MTV that wants to be taken seriously!

As more investors join exp fund and dump money, and the pot grows bigger, expect bigger loss days to come eventually, grinding away more money......These big losses will act as a buffer to pay forward positive results and so forth. The refund reserve thing is brilliant, but don't be fooled people, eventually as bigger losses come back to back, it can dry up in a matter of days and eventually many investors will be left in the cold.
So you are damned if you do damned if you don't.
1) If PONZI is used, it won't sustain for long and everyone will be burned

2) If FOREX EA is used, long term, people will either break even or lose big, either way long term you cannot sustain the kind of results you are seeing now

Perhaps more HYIPs should run "games" like EXP FUND, it's a good idea to stretch a little longer, as opposed to HYIPs offering daily fixed % or variable positive results, adding loss days in the mix, extends the ponzi a little longer........Exp fund is a great concept for hyip players and risk takers, but what the HELL is this doing on MTV !?!?!?

Also, pokerbyproxy, also a member of MTV, and good friend of MTV, the guy who shameless lied and scammed people, now sits QUIET winning large amountsin games and investing money in plans on MTV, no word from him after he said he would refund his users.......

Remember guys ? Richard O'Neil typical behaviour. Run scams, blame people when he crashes, then promise refunds that never happen.........

You have crooks, scam artists, HYIP thieves as members of MTV, winning games, running their programs, advertising / monitoring, unharmed, MTV facilitating and aiding those people, and then they turn around and want people to take them seriously ??? Come on people........
Remember Richard O'Neil scams ? He said you could cash out principle anytime ? Same with EXP FUND, even though you are led to believe you can cash out anytime 85%, and bail out with profits, the fact remains, if everyone did that, the EXP would be dead, ponzi that it is, it relies on people dumping their profits back and new investors, being told the site is liquid 100% is a big fat lie.....he keeps a fraction of the money in his ecurrency accounts, most of it is exchanged out and to his foreign banks......He does not have a fraction of the money to cover big jackpots or paying everyone, impossible.......people have to either invest new money or lose in games, and even so, you will need an exponential amount of users to join under to lose their money or invest to pay older investors.....

Time to accept FACTS and stop listening to certain admins with narcissistic tendencies.


If all of what you are saying in this or in the other posts is true, than why don't you upload the 'video proof' and show it to us? What other are you planning to do with it? Sit on it and wait till you die? Just show us some action or you are some guy who is actually frustrated about his site.

And are you telling only the experimental fund is a scam, or do you think the basics of the normal 186/250 plans are ok? Or do you think the complete site would be a scam?

This post has been edited by ramosfan: Dec 20 2013, 03:53 PM


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QUOTE (ramosfan @ Dec 20 2013, 04:51 PM) *
If all of what you are saying in this or in the other posts is true, than why don't you upload the 'video proof' and show it to us? What other are you planning to do with it? Sit on it and wait till you die? Just show us some action or you are some guy who is actually frustrated about his site.

And are you telling only the experimental fund is a scam, or do you think the basics of the normal 186/250 plans are ok? Or do you think the complete site would be a scam?



I really think it's not a total scam... Maybe a good deal for the players... This can sustain only with an eased flow of funds in & out!


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