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How To Track Down A Scammer?
reklama2000
post Jul 23 2008, 11:25 AM
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Hi everyone!

I'd like to report a few admins of scamming HYIP/autosurf sites that have stolen thousands of dollars from members. I don't mind loosing in a fair game, but I'm just sick and tired of games with only one winner. So my questions are:

1. I want to report them them to police, I live in Ireland. What more can I do?

2. Any ideas how to track down a scammer?

Only constructive answers, please.


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Investinglife
post Jul 23 2008, 03:26 PM
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Please accept my answer as constructive answer, i want share my idea & experiance ..

Isn't very easy to explain, ok :

Firstly i have been victim of scams since my first investment experiance in 2004 (SCAM PTR/HYIP/AUTOSURF/EXCHANGERS/EGOLD CASINO ect) ..

I think isn't good way brother .. you have join autosurf or hyip program so you accept the term of LOSING MONEY .. i think police or FBI cannot do anything ...

99.99% of online investments programs are Ponzi shema so 100% risk of lose ..

Autosurf and Hyip or Casinos are Illegal activity on internet, so we cannot get protection, and you accept this term of lose, police cannot protect peoples from this scamers, because we have accept to join this hell ..

Also scamers are not very stupide to use the real info in domain info or ecurrency accounts, so?

Scamers/Spamers/Hackers and Online criminals use always HACKED email accounts, proxy internet protocol and controling pc for malware connection (using of PROXY ip example PC infected with trojan) to hide all infos ... So we can track a false person, if the gov of country can really allow this type of search! Many use dynamic ip so is more difficult, many ISP don't keep logs info and other earse ip address location and surfing pages from database in within few time (1 week as maximum in my country)

Internet crimes (HACKING, CREDIT CARD FRAUDS, SPAM, SCAM, SPYWARE/VIRUS/TROJAN CODES) are not considered as 'illegal activity' in lois of many country (3 th world for example)

i haven't say "stop losing your time" but i have said : isn't good way to track scamers, because hyip is a game and none body force u to deposit money, for example CREDIT CARD FRAUDS or company hacking can have nice situation to try the track, the process of tracing can take many steps to be reals (i have some experiances in this domains so i know some bases all fails (!) )

Wich to you the best success in your business and in your quest...

Only one way can protect our self is the CHARGEBACK option in some ecurrency to get back our money OR BE AWAY! Invest in legal company like ONLINE FOREX

At all i have stop investing in the hell since 2005 .. I have finaly understood the game .

I still want to know :

why some hosting company still accept this type of programs ?
why 80% of ecurrency still accept PONZI SHEMA ?
why many ecurrency don't turn to CHARGEBACK OPTION like PayPal ?
why forums allow scam advertising ? I STILL SEE LRFUND BANNER IN MMG!
WHY PEOPLES DON'T STOP INVESTING (DREAMING) IN THIS KNOWED PONZI SYSTEM ?



I suggest all peoples to stop investing in SCAM AUTOSURF AND HYIP (99.99% of them are scam of course, so stop losing your money tongue4.gif )


This post has been edited by Investinglife: Jul 23 2008, 07:19 PM


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post Jul 23 2008, 04:44 PM
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Police probably won't/can't do anything so the best course of action would be to get their personal details by going to the domain registries and hosting sites and explaining your situation. Chances are privacy laws will prevent them giving out the information but since Ponzis are illegal they may feel obliged to hand them over. From there if they're out of the country it's not worth following unless there is a sizable sum involved.


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reklama2000
post Jul 25 2008, 03:01 AM
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Thank you for your comments.


QUOTE (Investinglife @ Jul 23 2008, 03:26 PM) *
you have join autosurf or hyip program so you accept the term of LOSING MONEY

I never agreed for STEALING my money!

QUOTE (Investinglife @ Jul 23 2008, 03:26 PM) *
i think police or FBI cannot do anything

You're wrong and I have a proof:

http://i33.tinypic.com/foen8o.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/288bh2f.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/a14sjp.jpg

If you have any polish friends ask them to translate it to you. This is a court decision against admin of Super-Euro-Surf.com, who faced charges of defraudation.

QUOTE (Investinglife @ Jul 23 2008, 03:26 PM) *
Autosurf and Hyip or Casinos are Illegal activity on internet, so we cannot get protection, and you accept this term of lose, police cannot protect peoples from this scamers, because we have accept to join this hell

I understand that you have some knowledge of internet crime, so could you give me any links to articles or sites saying that police or FBI can NOT do anything about it?

Many scammers operating on this on this forum are not pro, so they make mistakes and leave track behind. I think that there is a chance of tracking them.

I found one website where you can make a complaint:

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C), and the Bureau of Justice Assistance (BJA).

I have nothing to loose trying to catch scammers, and I can learn a lot about cyber crime, so in my opinion I would be stupid not trying to do that.

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post Jul 25 2008, 06:22 AM
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reklama2000, yes

you can track USA-CANADA-AUSTRALIA or EUROPA frauders for example,

THE PROCESS ARE VERY HARD AND ISN'T TRUE ALL TIME (dynamic ip, proxy, pc infected, fake connection, fake country, we can track false person) NOT THE LOIS OF COURSE (the Country of scamer must also have the lois of Online crimes) i have quote many arguments in my last post please read ..

i have many experiance about finding hacker and credit card fraude in the past brother so i know many things!

USA-CANADA-AUSTRALIA or EUROPA - There are lois in this country : SCAM and INTERNET CRIME are not allowed, Online crime are considered of course .. But many other Country don't have this lois, for example 3 th world .. We cannot do i anything if we track scamer in philippine for example (I'm not meaning philippines are scamers of course, its just an example) ...

its like Warez and selling pirated program or operating system in many country ...

Do you know the Nigerian Scam ? you can search a lot about this activity on internet, this is the biggest online scam without any program or anything ... Nigerians scams are FREE because its NOT CONSIDERED COUNTRY IN THIS LOIS, i have been scammed many time in eBay when selling egold with Paypal, scamer get fund in egold then do chargeback without any reason, and ebay say me to do anything and be safe in the future (ORDER WITHOUT TRACKING NUMBER), they don't want share me any information about this person ..

I'm also with iZero, maybe FBI or any official gov can help realy if scamer have stolen bigamount ...


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I never agreed for STEALING my money!


Yes bro, me too!

But you must understand the problem brother at all is the "SYSTEM" of autosurf or hyip program (USING OF VIRTUAL ECURRENCY - HOSTING ARE ALLOWED TO PLAY THIS TYPE OF GAME - ISN'T DIRECT FRAUDE (FRAUDE ARE DIRECT STOLEN OF MONEY / CREDIT CARD FAKE ACCESS / PHISING / STORE OR EBAY FRAUDE) .. NONE BODY FORCE US TO MAKE DEPOSIT / THERE ARE A TERM AND CONDITION OF HYIP AND AUTOSURF : Program can close at any time - Program can have problems & close - Program can get hacked & close) - Also autosurf are not investment company this mean the amount of your upgrade are only the member FEE and this is a STUPIDE term you can see it in all autosurf faq and term, for this WE MUST READ TERM/FAQ before joining (NONE BODY FOR US TO JOIN OR PLAY LIKE CASINO)

I REPEAT IT, AUTOSURF/HYIP - EGOLD STORMPAY LIBERTYRESERVE - ARE DANGEROUS WORLD AND THE RISK TO LOSE IS MORE HIGH THAN EARNING

Do you really beleive to get 150% after 15 days ? Investment bank or in forex can allow you to earn 2.5% weekly or monthly ... so u see the diffrence bro ? Many are very good to be TRUE

In AUTOSURF & HYIP isn't easy at all and i won't mean IMPOSSIBLE ...

FBI or any other official gov if realy want help in this type of crimes, gov must CLOSE or WARN ecurrency and hosting company thats accept this type of activity ... Anonymous business are very bad thing in this way .. many hosting and ecurrency don't verify client when signup .. an example many shopping website don't accept LR - EG - EB - PECUNIX ect (90% accept PayPal, because this is not anonymous virtual bank) ...

For this reason scamed with ecurrency FUNDS isn't good way to get protection, Only MoneyBookers/PayPal/Bank wire/WU/Money Gram/Credit Card are good in this way other have the rule of FINAL PAYMENT AND FINAL CHARGE like LR - PECUNIX - EB ect .. i think GOV don't accept the complaint using this type of virtual anonymous ecurrency ..

Egold will close because its based in USA bank accused with crimes (SO DEPEND on THE LOIS OF COUNTRY)


for PROOFS and PICTURES don't understood any words lol sorry ... ok where is the admin of Super-Euro-Surf.com ? Victime have get money back ? How many take the process ? If you haven't any answers so you haven't read correctly my last message !

i'm a whitehat, i have worked many time to down hackers (i hate blackhat) i was tracer of frauders in the past and i have lost a lot of money in scam websites, for this reason i post here and i share my experiance to you ..

WICH TO YOU THE SUCCESS IN YOUR BUSINESS AND QUEST -

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