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baylee View Member Profile	Jul 11 2012, 05:51 PM Post #1
MMG Member Group: Member Posts: 1,830 Joined: 21-May 09 Member No.: 171,424	The US Government does have jurisdiction on the US Citizens that are involved in this so called program but I am unsure how the Martian's feel about this scam. -------------------- Some people are educated above and beyond their intelligence. http://www.eagleresearchassociates.org/index.php

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fearthemath View Member Profile	Jul 14 2012, 09:03 AM Post #2
MMG Member Group: Member Posts: 68 Joined: 27-October 10 Member No.: 255,505	Hi Dav7: Yep! A little birdie had told me this was coming down the pike but I didn't know when. I'm glad to see that Payza is cracking down on unregistered securities and programs that flat out talk about ponzi fixed rates of return or revenue share. https://blog.payza.com/user-agreement-updat...greement-update Looks like just about everything on MMG will no longer be able to use Payza. The noose is tightening on these scam programs! As Always.... FeartheMath

ElmerFudd View Member Profile	Jul 14 2012, 10:50 PM Post #3
MMG Member Group: Member Posts: 1,315 Joined: 7-February 11 Member No.: 282,544	QUOTE (racer4105 @ Jul 15 2012, 03:57 PM) I would not worry too much just yet.Payza is not going to bite the hand that feeds it.I bet they will figure something out.If they follow those TOS to the letter it would be like cutting their own throat. Payza and STP are as good as done with ponzi's and HYIPS. They really have no choice due to the Gov being all over them. Smart players are not making any fresh spends and are taking their money out of payza and STP before it's too late. You can still play all the programs you want to play. Just play with say LR for example because one day you gonna wake up and your payza/STP is gonna be worth about as much as your e-gold/e-bullion/stormpay -------------------- Aces & 8s

azraell84 View Member Profile	Jul 14 2012, 10:59 PM Post #4
MMG Member Group: Member Posts: 347 Joined: 25-June 12 Member No.: 444,184	QUOTE (Lynndel @ Jul 14 2012, 01:50 PM) Not only Payza, but STP is moving in this direction too. In fact all the Canadian Payment Processors will have to be in compliance with the FSA rules before the end of this year. They won't be able to do their normal wink-nod enforcement as in the past. Also STP is working on an alliance with an US bank and their credit card, and to do that they have to "clean up" their act in regard to all these Ponzi's they service. So we need run away from payza with this new TOS and in near future STP too:/ whats the sytuation with Liberty reserve and perfect money ?? same silly TOS like payza?? -------------------- UInvest - BEST REAL BUSINESS PROGRAM SINCE 2007!!

Lynndel View Member Profile	Jul 15 2012, 02:12 AM Post #5
MMG Member Group: Member Posts: 1,601 Joined: 28-July 08 Member No.: 146,876	QUOTE (azraell84 @ Jul 14 2012, 11:59 PM) So we need run away from payza with this new TOS and in near future STP too:/ whats the sytuation with Liberty reserve and perfect money ?? same silly TOS like payza?? First, what makes you think Payza's TOS are silly? To remain a viable business, they knew they had to make these changes or they too could be held liable when these Ponzi's collapse using their services. This is a risk they didn't want to take. The laws are tightening down on these entities in Canada, the UK, the US, and several other European countries. To remain viable, as a money exchanger/payment processor, they are going to have to clean up their act and stop doing business with Ponzi's or face the consequences of potential criminal charges and fines, or both. As for Liberty Reserve and Perfect Money? Who knows for sure. What will determine what they do will be what regulations in the country in which they are located will require them to comply with, and the consequences if they don't. As Elmer has said, it would be wise to get your funds out of Payza and STP and move them to LR or PM as soon as possible. I'm sure that Fred will be announcing soon that Payza will no longer be used, and it won't be far behind when it is announced that STP will no longer be used as well. -------------------- President/Founder Eagle Research Associates; www.eagleresearchassociates.org; Author: Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead Of A Gun - Cyber Crime How They Do It

azraell84 View Member Profile	Jul 15 2012, 02:20 AM Post #6
MMG Member Group: Member Posts: 347 Joined: 25-June 12 Member No.: 444,184	QUOTE (Lynndel @ Jul 15 2012, 03:12 AM) First, what makes you think Payza's TOS are silly? To remain a viable business, they knew they had to make these changes or they too could be held liable when these Ponzi's collapse using their services. This is a risk they didn't want to take. The laws are tightening down on these entities in Canada, the UK, the US, and several other European countries. To remain viable, as a money exchanger/payment processor, they are going to have to clean up their act and stop doing business with Ponzi's or face the consequences of potential criminal charges and fines, or both. As for Liberty Reserve and Perfect Money? Who knows for sure. What will determine what they do will be what regulations in the country in which they are located will require them to comply with, and the consequences if they don't. As Elmer has said, it would be wise to get your funds out of Payza and STP and move them to LR or PM as soon as possible. I'm sure that Fred will be announcing soon that Payza will no longer be used, and it won't be far behind when it is announced that STP will no longer be used as well. Thanks for detailed answer m8:) im moving my funds to LR ASAP:) -------------------- UInvest - BEST REAL BUSINESS PROGRAM SINCE 2007!!

fearthemath View Member Profile	Jul 17 2012, 08:29 AM Post #7
MMG Member Group: Member Posts: 68 Joined: 27-October 10 Member No.: 255,505	Ponzi Schemes are a scourge that hurts participants around the world. Most civilized societies have rules and laws against ponzi schemes because they are (1) Mathematically Guaranteed to Fail, and; (2) the bigger the ponzi scheme gets, the more people get hurt. Case in point: After the fall of the Russian empire in the early 90's, a massive ponzi scheme began to grow. At one point it was estimated that nearly 1 in 10 Russians were sucked in and negatively affected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMM_%28Ponzi_scheme_company%29 Sadly, the same individual was able to do it again, hurting people again and again just like the ponzi purveyors here on MMG: http://www.rt.com/news/mmm-mavrodi-ponzi-scheme-715/ So, ponzi schemes and the attempts of governments to stop their spread is not restricted just to the U.S. It's all about the math, folks. Nothing that pays 2%, 1% or even .1% A day is infinitely sustainable. FTM QUOTE (steelkid @ Jul 17 2012, 05:40 AM) very soon anybody that wants to do any money making online is going to to have to move out of the USA because the Feds are going to make it illegal even to buy Bubble Gum online because You might choke. Americans keep getting treated like crybabies by their government.Move out of the US or change your decision makers that are turning US citizens into little kindergaten kiddies that cannot do anything

FundFrank View Member Profile	Jul 19 2012, 07:32 AM Post #8
New MoneyMaker Group: Member Posts: 18 Joined: 19-July 12 Member No.: 454,094	Durham Regional Police (Oshawa, Canada): fraud unit If you feel something is peculiar, please contact us at (905) 579-1520. Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre May prove useful if people have trouble getting their money out.

steelkid View Member Profile	Jul 19 2012, 09:30 AM Post #9
MMG Member Group: Member Posts: 935 Joined: 28-May 12 From: Somewhere on Planet Earth Member No.: 434,007	8% a month is just a figure .if you promote with a few refs that figure can easily be 16% . 16%12=192% . the 92% is net yearly profit . and remember the miserable 2% you get at your bank is NOT net. You have to take inflation into account. The FDC can't protect you from the revages of inflation. The cost of living goes up much higher than 2% a year and everybody knows that. FDIC ,banks and big capital just want you to stick your savings in Savings and Blue chips stocks . 10 years down the line Inflation,Bank fees and Taxes will see to it that the purchasing power of your savings slowly sink to 0. You have to be Proactive and take charge and not be lulled into a false sense of security by the so called "Experts" and "Financial Advisors" and Special Interest Politicians who just have their agenda but not your best interest in mind This post has been edited by steelkid: Jul 19 2012, 09:31 AM -------------------- Amazing facts about the greatest TREASURE of all time*

fearthemath View Member Profile	Jul 19 2012, 09:39 AM Post #10
MMG Member Group: Member Posts: 68 Joined: 27-October 10 Member No.: 255,505	I agree with everything in the post below that is not indicated with a ~~strikethrough.~~ I absolutely couldn't agree with you more! But, the solution is not to plunk funds into an illegal, immoral ponzi scheme that is mathematically unsustainable (already falling apart). Invest wisely, take prudent risks and always have cash reserves for emergencies and opportunities. Commodities (take your pick) and especially gold and silver, provide an excellent hedge against inflation and there are many mid-cap stocks that can provide tremendous upside in an inflationary environment. But tossing money into an unaudited psuedo "investment" with promises of a product to come, "Trust Uncle Fred", blind optimism is not the way to deal with the reality of economic instability and probable inflation. As the Sergeant used to say on the 1980's Drama Hill Street Blues -- "Let's Be Careful Out There" Uh, oh, I"m showing my age! LOL FTM QUOTE (steelkid @ Jul 19 2012, 01:30 PM) 8% a month is just a figure .if you promote with a few refs that figure can easily be 16% . 16%*12=192% . the 92% is net yearly profit . and remember the miserable 2% you get at your bank is NOT net. You have to take inflation into account. The FDC can't protect you from the revages of inflation. The cost of living goes up much higher than 2% a year and everybody knows that. FDIC ,banks and big capital just want you to stick your savings in Savings and Blue chips stocks . 10 years down the line Inflation,Bank fees and Taxes will see to it that the purchasing power of your savings slowly sink to 0. You have to be Proactive and take charge and not be lulled into a false sense of security by the so called "Experts" and "Financial Advisors" and Special Interest Politicians who just have their agenda but not your best interest in mind

FundFrank View Member Profile	Jul 20 2012, 12:25 PM Post #11
New MoneyMaker Group: Member Posts: 18 Joined: 19-July 12 Member No.: 454,094	QUOTE (MediaCoordinator @ Jul 18 2012, 03:00 PM) This is the media Coordinator for Banners Broker. Rajiv was NOT in a scam previously. Like I have said above, people like to create gossip, which is unfortunate. Media Coordinator Rajiv Dixit's alleged connection with ICF World Homes, said to be a Ponzi fraud, is supported by the following info (scroll down for his name shown in red, then scroll up and read the part at the top describing the ICF World Homes approach and compare with the BB approach): QUOTE jueves, 24 de julio de 2008 ICF World Homes... The way it works, and there is a video presentation on the site or you can attend a live presentation in several Canadian cities, is that as long as 32 people join after you do in the next 30 days and then another 32 join under them in the next 30 days, your costs will be covered. The 32 people coming in are company wide! Not just from me and you and upline, but from anywhere in the entire company! Right now, with hundreds joining every month, this is a no-brainer (as much as I hate that phrase!). I just joined this morning, after giving this a closer look and LOVING what I saw. So I can't give you any personal experience yet. But there is nothing I found on google to indicate this was anything but the real deal, just undiscovered by the masses so far. You can call the company, you can go to presentations, there are a lot of ways to get more intimate knowledge of the inner workings of this, but after I finally "got it" I had to jump right in and I know that you will want this straight away. http://www.icfworldhomes.com/sd2826 Here is the info I received and a follow up from my sponsor with more info. (the "confidential" part was probably added for dramatic effect...) Below that I will include all the company info for those that want to dig deeper into the company, and I'd appreciate any info you dig up. If you have any questions, let me know. I am going to have to go thru email to company and thru my sponsor because the toll free lines they have are impossible to reach from outside North America. This is SUCH a beautiful program for us, I just can't believe it! Enjoy! Suzanna ... We encourage all Members to share ICF World Homes Inc. Gain Sharing Concept with everyone, allowing all to enjoy the benefits of our Membership. Welcome aboard and hold onto your seat. You’re in for the ride of your life. Dream away! Helpful numbers and email addresses. We are here to assist you in any way we can. 1227622 Ontario Ltd. ICF World Homes Inc 311 George Street, North Lower Level 5 Peterborough, ON Mailing Address (only) 25 DUKE STREET BOX# 1028 BOBCAYGEON, ON CANADA, K0M 1A0 OFFICE: 1-877-ICF-7555 FAX: (801) 315-4886 General Questions/General Help Presenters Hotline - 1-877-ICF-7555 ext. 707 service@icfworldhomes.com Technical Support/Passwords/Login Signup Issues - 1-877-ICF-7555 ext. 704 techsupport@icfworldhomes.com Larry Telford President - 1-877-ICF-7555 ext. 701 larry@icfworldhomes.com Sharon Black Vice President - 1-877-ICF-7555 ext. 702 sharon@icfworldhomes.com Raj Dixit General Manager - 1-877-ICF-7555 ext. 707 raj@icfworldhomes.com Bill Machan Business Development - 1-877-ICF-7555 ext. 708 bill@icfworldhomes.com Dean Yeo I.T. Manager - 1-877-ICF-7555 ext. 704 techsupport@icfworldhomes.com Lorenzo Guarini Compliance Officer - 1-877-ICF-7555 ext. 710 lorenzo@icfworldhomes.com Don Trudeau Western Canada Regional Manager - 1-877-ICF-7555 ext. 712 don@icfworldhomes.com http://www.icfworldhomes.com/sd2826 This post has been edited by FundFrank: Jul 20 2012, 12:27 PM

FundFrank View Member Profile	Jul 21 2012, 01:16 AM Post #12
New MoneyMaker Group: Member Posts: 18 Joined: 19-July 12 Member No.: 454,094	Chicago TV documentary on a scheme involving the sale of "search engine submissions" for advertising your business, sale of packages at different levels, claimed not to involve recruiting. Documentary includes Robert Fitzpatrick (expert on MLM and pyramid sales fraud): (13:25) "A pyramid scheme is inherently deceptive, meaning that it can never operate by telling you the truth. No-one would join. The truth being... 99% of the people will not earn money." (Video) Scams in online social networks

FundFrank View Member Profile	Jul 23 2012, 03:17 AM Post #13
New MoneyMaker Group: Member Posts: 18 Joined: 19-July 12 Member No.: 454,094	QUOTE (noname999 @ Jul 23 2012, 03:26 AM) Can't believe such simple questions are causing such offence... Don't ask questions. Just believe. Hallelujah! QUOTE Cult Hotline and Clinic Learn to recognize common cult-recruitment tactics and situations, beware of:... •People who make you feel like there’s something wrong with you if you’re not interested in joining. •People who demand secrecy from you •People who try to play on your guilt •People who are vague or evasive. If they are hiding something, it’s usually because they don’t want you to know the real answer. •People, who make grand claims about how their group can save mankind, help you achieve enlightenment or show the road to happiness. •People who claim they or their group is really special, even the most special •People who promise quick solutions to difficult problems •People who put down reason and critical thinking, and tell you not to ask questions about the group - just open your mind to it.

cunningplan View Member Profile	Jul 23 2012, 03:31 PM Post #14
MMG Member Group: Member Posts: 83 Joined: 16-July 12 Member No.: 452,302	1. Promoters are not registered to sell investments Chris Smith 2. Promoters have a history of being investigated and/or disciplined for actions related to investments Raj Dixit & Chris Smith 3. Promoters and/or founders of the business/investment have criminal, bankruptcy, or civil court histories that are troubling Chris Smith 4. Difficulty in verifying whether there is a legitimate business behind the investment (Again, Google is your friend!) Up for Debate 5. Groundbreaking “new technology” or other special (but super secret) methods or assets, which are going to take the world by storm and be the greatest thing since sliced bread as per literature "Revolutionary way to earn Revenue Online" 6. Complicated alleged business model that prevents an experienced investor from understanding how money is really made. Time and time again I have been told it is a complicated business/advanced algorithms used. 7. The alleged performance of the company is suspiciously higher than competitors or companies in related industries. Again debatable..$200m in commissions paid. 8. No objective third-party information can be found about the company I've been looking...can't find a thing 9. Elaborate explanations for why the business cannot be verified Blind Network 10. Unusually high rates of return offered on the investments (Note that this one is the most common across all Ponzi schemes.) Double your money in short space of time. 11. Returns on investment are guaranteed (Not to be confused with an annuity from a reputable company with a guarantee in the contract.)" No risk. Only way company will fail is if internet finishes. " 12. Promoter downplays the amount of risk investors will be exposed to, often using phrases such as “a sure thing” Tick 13. Reluctance to provide documentation supporting claims being made about the investment and the business behind it Seen no evidence of accounts being submitted to any companies office 14. Address of the “business” is a mail drop location, virtual office, or small private office that couldn’t possibly hold a business the size that is being claimed (Google Maps is very helpful for this one.) Haven't checked 15. Few (if any) employees in the operation other than the founder and/or promoter Can't find any evidence of employees running the business apart from people in charge of recruiting. 16. Background of the principals of the business is mismatched with what the business does (Use Google to find out what kinds of jobs they held previously, and compare it to what they’re supposedly doing now.) Gone from a doubler cycler to Advertising company 17. Company’s alleged success is related to a recent announcement of some sort, rather than historical financial results (This one is even worse if the information in the announcement can’t be verified, and it appears to just be a PR stunt for the benefit of potential investors.) Regular big claims made by Banners Broker Took the above from http://www.mahanyertl.com/mahanyertl/ponzi...red-flags/1348/ Banners Broker is raising a lot of red flags in my opinion. Did http://cainside.com/ ask any of those kinds of questions in their review?

cunningplan View Member Profile	Jul 23 2012, 03:38 PM Post #15
MMG Member Group: Member Posts: 83 Joined: 16-July 12 Member No.: 452,302	Edit above - Alenncork did give a link to BB looking for a PHP programmer.