Don't think with a simple mind, it's dangerous to get trapped then. By the nature of the offshore investment, it's hardly for us to get prove of it , because things are presented in a virtual way, you can't really see it , there are always tricks & gimmick behind. You know how many people got scammed & losing their money in other investments just because there was no prove to say the programs were going to scam them and yet majority still getting paid. But when the days came, it was too late for them to pull out of it.
So "prove" is not everything here. Even if everthing is going smoothly on your side, you also have no prove to prove that it will not turn to scam one day in the future. Most important is that we should be sensitive and aware of the current issues , and act in a cautious way to avoid any loss unexpectedly. Never forget there is risk in investment, moreover invest in a virtual world.

I think we have no time for argument at this moment but to solve the problem faced at hand.
To be sure and safe in internet business/investment, please review my five rules in my earlier
post as well as at TG forum.
Members wonder why Ms Serene only appeared at this critical moment and start thinking of
her taking advantage. You can interpret your ways, but I see as such:-

a) She comes to provide assistance to Malaysian SC members in trouble.
b) She was invited by her downlines to provide assistance to Malaysians.
c) A coincidental appearance.
d) She has more time to spend in this forum.
e) Thereby may be able to streamline/improve her SC business.
f) The benefits of a win-win situation!!

My final sincere conclusion is that she will be of great assistance to us Malaysian and
I can see she means it.

Please do not think that I am one of her downline. I am not!!
Neither she knows me!!
Maybe captured by her beauty?? ha...ha...
You bet!!
Just check the gender at side bar.
Cheers.

thank you serene

okay, bye

I did a calculation, I am not a maths genius, so it took me a while to figure out the logic.
In a hypothetical scenario where one investor recruits an investor per day,
all investments are assumed to be 1,000 USD,
for every new money that's invested,
37.50% is paid out for SIP, SAP, SRP.

I did not calculate the SFP, but it is quite easy to see that SFP paid out is not significant.
For every 20,000 USD that you can recruit and match on both legs in one month,
you are paid 1,000USD, which is 5% of the new money.
It would work out to be 42.50% payout of any new money.

But in reality the impact of SFP payment is lower,
due to many cannot make SFP or cannot balance the legs.

My guess it that, if SwissCash is a ponzi,
they have made quite careful calculations,
such that so far payment has not been a problem.
(or they have actually some amount of emergency cash to ease cashflow)

Remember if only 37.50% to 42.50% is paid out for every new investment,
they are still holding onto at least 50% of the new money.

It maybe that SwissCash actually may have enough cash to pay investors.

(have not even went into other calculations of EMF, ACF etc from the maths of a ponzi,
the binary hierachy is complicated enough for me,
no energy to go into other calculations )

p.s. the above is based on SIP25. Imagine how much more money SCash is keeping with the SIP15300 plans.



who are you,
where are you from?
who's your upline?
what are your credentials?



I agree with you. You have stated logically.
Even if SCash pays on time, and things are ok (except for Big3 investors),
does not mean that SCash is not the ultimate scam.

Alertness should always be the key.



Serene may have a kind heart to help,
but ultimately this is a business deal for her.

She may know more things than we do,
and if she knows that ACF payout is not a problem,
she may buy your account cheaply from you.

It's an opportunity for the 'believers' to help the 'panickers'



This post has been edited by NthDimensions: Jun 24 2007, 05:55 AM

Some investors still doubt about the offer of assistance to counterpart investors in the advanced nation with highest concern on internet scams. It's a bad scenario in MY. When buyebarrel.com suddenly disappeared from internet, many MY investors lost the money totalling to over millions ringgit. There is no IP blockage and the like. But SwissCash have to pull through difficult times both in MY and China. Will they give up?

SC supporters have to use bomb-proof and not just bullet-proof. Hahaha...

Hey guys, please dont PM me, cause I dont hv 25 post for reply any of you, email is the best.

Just want to said a good word for Serena, she been a great help to MY account ppl, if we dont take her offer, we just let it be, but we shouldnt accuse her or said her wan any business or anything. This is a MONEY MAKER FORUM, who come in here is for the PURPOSE OF MAKING MONEY IN WHATEVER WAY. Who hv patient to continue to wait upon SC for solving out the issue, then just wait, for who wish to get thing done now, then you can CHOOSE for your self weather you want to take all the offer begin propose here.

This post has been edited by investorsc: Jun 24 2007, 05:54 AM

Thank you very much serenechea,

It was commandable of you to give such solutions...
and helping to buy off e-pts ..
Is it all right to open discussion on what you told me here..?

There is no fear of ponzi scheme but more fear of dishonest admin. From the proven track record of 2 years, the Binary Compensation Plan (BCP) is proven to work and is sustainable. The greatest fear is to part more money to the "black hole".

Just be a small risk-taker. That will avoid much hardship in financial matters.



The positive minded see things in a different perspective. Beside "thinking out of the box", daring to grasp this opportunity to help the panickers may produce greater returns if the situation comes under control. However, if it swings to the negative side, then there is no losing too since much profits have been derived from this millionaire "printing-machine".

Stay cool!

a case of rich gets richer,
poor gets poorer?

Hi Bee Tee,

I am glad that i can help you!

Better not. Because is is not very safe. Just contact me personally.

MSN: serenechea2@hotmail.com.
Skype: SereneChea
Yahoo: serenechea@yahoo.com

Cheers!
Serene Chea

That is not true for all members of SwissCash. I know a lot of people who invested with the SIP15300 plan just before the SIP25 plan was announced. Some of those people will not get any profit from SwissCash unless it lasts for eight months from when they invested. That would mean they would need to get funds from withdrawal requests through December.

If now someone still wants to buy e-pts..at least your e-pts still have values...be quick then to solve the e-pts overloaded..

Still chugging along !

The daily transactions that you do; shopping, drinking, eating etc..are all considered as
business deals. You are willing to have it, and willing to pay for it for so much, ya, discount
so much..ya..that one looks better...may I have that one..etc...
The seller will know which apple and orange is sweet or not so sweet......Aren't you looking for
the sweet ones??

Let alone SC!!

But anyway, it is a win-win situation where there is willing buyer and willing seller!!

At least there is someone willing to help, so I term it. You may say otherwise, your right!!

Cheers for our health!!

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