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Thanks Steve

Thanks Mate for your clarification .. Seems I need to go through the ESP threads and read some there too.

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Welcome and hope you will earn more in this nice program too same as another one

hi guys, Well for whatever its worth here's my take on it. when steve originally started surf300 way back before ESP before it got too bad he closed it when he realized that it wasnt in any way sustainable and refunded members.

the he opened ESP with a new idea and a new concept...one that appeared to be a bit more sustainable then your run of the mill program which it proved to be.

After many months of successfully running ESP and having members sing his praises day and night he started getting many requests to add strictpay. But if he did so his chief concern was that he would have an imbalance in the processors which would lead to problems down the road. Because of this ESP-SP was born.

But of course the members of the original ESP didn't feel that it was fair that the people who used Strictpay were the ones to get to play in a site that was going to earn a higher roi than them so THEY requested that steve open up the flavors.

Keep in mind this entire time Steve has only done what the member have asked him to do.

Now, for those that have seen the back end of this industry and im sure alzander and tree know what im talking about, its disgusting to say the least and most admins will take your money and then help you look for it. Once steve developed a reputation as a good admin that was willing to go the distance for his members the scammers didnt like it. This is about the time you get a scam admin that deposited 5k of scammed Alertpay money into ESP. I can confirm this as i spoke to steve daily during this time and also saw the emails from alertpay when they removed this 5k.

So naturally as a result ESP-AP fell onto hard times. But did steve run away? Did he start to open up scam sites under fake names to bail himself out? Nope! But plenty of other admins would have...some even that are highly regarded on this very forum. The only natural recourse at this point was to go to true roi but then alertpay continued to take more money that steve had already paid an roi on and that left the program high and dry.

We all know that all programs come to an end. Every single one will at some point. Steve has consistently paid for 10 months now and has , in my opinion , done a damn good job. But the roi is generated by its members plain and simple and when the members dont upgrade the roi cant continue and it just becomes a simple game at that point.

When steve moved ESP-SP and ESP-LR to 3% daily for 40 days his exact words were " If this is what you guys want then know that it has become a game and when its over its over" Thats pretty clear language to me. Certainly doesnt sound like theres any deception there.

So that brings us to today. We have an admin that has performed very well for a long time. Has always done what is right by his members, has used his REAL name , hasnt done feeder sites and continues to do the best he can by his members.

For my money this is the place to be plain and simple. In fact i say we need many more admins like steve that have the determination to stick it out when times get tough.

Through people bashing him on the forums, admins trying to take him down......etc...etc... he hasnt given up and continues to conduct himself with the highest level of integrity. How do i know this? Because i know steve and anyone that knows him like I do will agree with me.

This isnt a matter of robbing peter to pay paul. Its a brand new program by an established admin and in my opinion a very good opportunity. So I think before classing him in the same category as many that have come before it may be wise to look at the whole picture and not jsut what appears on the surface.

See, I'm sure there are many people who would be willing to throw in their hard earned money into a program where its obvious the admin is using a fake name....or where the stats are faked...or even where the admin has been banned for multiple usernames. for me personally I choose to stick with the winners and Steve is a winner.

For tree and alzander i have the utmost respect for the both of you as members of this community and I hope neither of you take this as anything except for me sticking up for Steve because that's really all it is.


ok I'm done now.

This post has been edited by austinrampt1: May 15 2009, 09:46 AM

I also have got to point out that alzander you are a member of the maxshare sites, of which i'm a very big fan and i think that admin is top notch also.

didn't he have a site that had to close ( maxshare) and then he opened up multiple sites for each processor which happen to be very low roi ( similar to esp) and now he has a game which is 9% daily for 15 days ( just like steves new program)?

Doesnt that sound if not identical very close to steve?

Just my observation

BTW I was just paid some reff comm! Thanks steve



This post has been edited by austinrampt1: May 15 2009, 09:58 AM

I was never in any of Steve's programs prior so I can't say too much about him, but Austin has some very valid points from a straight and basic point of view! Which is very much why I joined this one!

I was in the original ESP from almost day one before it became very popular. And I can say that Steve was by far the most active Admin. that I had ever had. Daily updates always upbeat and most important he never hid anything from his members...good or bad!
Yes the ESP flavors site are not doing very good but if anyone is to blame here it is the members. They voted for it because of greed. Then they did not support their decision and follow through with a reinvestment plan to help sustain the program.
So before you point fingers and if you are going to read the threads read them all even the original ESP thread before you start negative thoughts on one of the best Admin. we have right now.

Thanks for your time
Mini Rant over

I support Steve Krenshaw with no hesitations. I have been with Steve from the beginning
and have the utmost respect and admiration for an honest man who truly cares for his members
and his reputation.

Steve has always been upfront with his members, has always communicated and updated his members,
offers his YIM for support purposes and has worked tirelessly to make his sites work. He has faced
more obstacles, criticisms, abuse, bashing than most, yet he has always maintained his cool and professionalism.

I am in all the ESP flavors and have endured the slow down currently there but I know that Steve is a very committed
and dedicated Admin who will always asks his members for suggestions and feedback on how to improve his
programs. ESP will continue and with the members support and Steve's business savy, they will get back on track.

I believe Steve had SurfReborn in the works for quite some time and I don't believe in any form or fashion is it
an attempt to boast the flavors. Steve truly wants this Industry to rebound thus the birth of SurfReborn. He has
a vision and a purpose which I feel members owe a debt of gratitude to support and promote.

My support and money is with this Admin and this Program!

Sincere Blessings,
realtimerick (cimonitor)

Hi Mordk

You just hit the nail on the head for me anyway.

You were never in any of steve's programs. If you were would you have
had second thoughts?
Thats what the discussion is all about for me.

If i was not in any other of steve's programs ! yes sure i might of jumped
in to this one.
Just like i am in maxshare game as i was not in any others of this admin.

Its all about how you feel. I know how tough it is to be an admin out there.

I know tough decisions need to be made. But i also know when its finished
its finished.

No matter what an admin does good or bad ur going to get stick.

I am not saying Steve was a bad admin, I am not saying he was dishonest.

What i am saying is that esp sites are finished, shut up shop let members
know there closing be done with it.

When the cash is gone its gone. I like games , Its all just a game.

Some u win some you lose. I am not going to cry over spilt milk.

But in the case of steve's new site I and i stress I feel that the esp
sites struggling and this one paying will cause conflict.


Alzander



Hi Mate

Yes it does mate! But as u will see in my last post the reason for joining maxshare game.

I was not a member of any maxshare sites before. If i was then i may not of joined.

I like good , honest games. You know where you stand when the cash is gone its gone

Alzander

I'm in with 40 bucks here

I joined and upgraded

Hmm you present a good point alzander as always. For me personally I agree. When a site is done its done and to move on to the next one. I guess if everyone felt that way it would make things much easier on steve.

I think the big problem is that others dont necessarily agree with us on that one which, and im guessing here, is why he has decided to continue to try and stick it out. this may very well cause an issue, I'm not sure. Or maybe people will see that what is here is an opportunity to earn and instead of cutting off their nose despite their face they will join.

Although then again maybe that wont be the case. For me when i know who sending the updates and clicking the buttons in the admin panel.......that makes a world of difference to me because at the end of the day 99 times out of 100 what really matters is whos running the show

anyhow, I always love some friendly debate. Thanks

Good morning from downunder

It is great to see some friendly debating and views being aired here. Having never been a real lover of profitshare programs, also never in Steve's previous mentioned sites, I am from the old school surfing acadamy, where surfs were a way for even the little member to earn. Half the battle is the admins intentions and capability to run a tight ship, the other half of the battle is for members to support, surf and earn. Here we have a very capable admin (previous experience and dedication) whom has offered us the vehicle in a surf, not profit share, to get back to basics.

I have to admit that throwing dollars into a new MMG identity who comes in as an experienced surf it a bit daunting, and yes, I have been burned like many others, and this is another reason I decided to join here. The admin stands upfront, no hiding who he is, and now it is up to the members how far we want to go.

That's my thoughts on the matter from my prospective. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Happy surfing

AussieLady

Just joined under you You could say in remembrance of Dorky

Thineke

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