I remember last winter a friend of mine purchased a new
snow plow for the front of his pickup truck.

He also purchased a new snow blower.

His total investment was $3,500 bucks.

His intention was to triple his investment his first year removing snow.

Unfortunately!
IT DIDN'T SNOW

cowboymt

Well where I come from, snow removers are paid on a contractual basis whether it snows or not, so the less it snows, the more money they make. lol.....I'll be back later to post my thoughts about SFS.

I hope everyone calms down and looks at these points:

Now, Chris has achieved some things which he should not let go. He has achieved Lots of members, he has achieved member's trust, he has achieved the Advertisers. Now what next?

I believe the time has come to stabilize things. A plan like 1% for 120 Days would make me comfortable withdrawing my daily profits. This way Chris can make sure no one loses and also get advertising revenues and build it from there. Anyhow, if he gives up from here it's his personal choice. But there's a chance to make further name and money for himself if he tries to continue SFS with something like even 1% for 120 days is worth an effort.

If everyone is OK with my suggestion, pls do support so that we can bring chris back and give him some thinking capacity as to what he can do more rather than just silently fade away.




I truly agree with your signature, it's a battle of honor for SFS. well said.

My 2 word of thoughts!
Michel

This post has been edited by michel123: Jan 28 2011, 08:42 AM

True, but many more survive beyond that.

Can you say the same about autosurfs?


Nada.

Yeah.

Just looking at the last numbers of members which is like just over 5,000...If each of these members just spent $100 each, then you are talking of half a million US$.

Yea and look at how much would need to be paid out, 5000 members at $100.00 a pop
20% $ 44% profit, $600,000 to $720,000 do the maths, The site ran out of money admin
took costs from upgrades to run it and some for him, I dont think he ran off with the money
it just ran out

Alzander

Hi
Think about it mate, Hyips ! low Interest say 2% to 3% daily,

Autosurf Interest say 7% to 12% daily

Its pretty clear the hyip will last longer due to the rate been lower meaning
the longer it takes to get to break even point.

Also you dont get the HARS on these type of hyips.

2 reasons along that hyips last longer

Alzander

Well, I lost my one and only upgrade. I was due to expire within the next couple of days. My own fault for getting in late. It's been a pretty rough month for me.

Anyhow, the debate about hyips lasting longer than surfs has quite a simple answer. There are more people playing with hyips. Show me an hyip paying 12x12 with no upgrade/cashout fees, and no hit-and-run protection, that can last 3 months in this day and age, and I'll show you one that is growing at a higher rate. Plain and simple. This talk about hyips being backed up by an outside income is complete nonsense. They all run on the same premise. I remember a time when surfs outlasted hyips with the same plans. They happened to have more members at the time. Simple.

Now as for those who think this admin should come back with a lower roi site, or change the terms of this site with different plans, blah, blah, blah....under his existing identity....he would get HAR'd. He knows it, and some of you that suggested it knows it. Wouldn't last more than 2 cycles. It's happened over and over again, during better times, so it wouldn't be any different now.

Those of you complaining to AP....do you really think there's any money in there?

Those of you who think he should refund....Great idea! With what??

Those of you who think that he's a scammer.....get out of this arena because this is all you have to look forward to. If it's not your cup of tea, then try some different tea, or perhaps switch to coffee.

There's a few people here that I consider my friends, and they know that I've been thinking about getting into the admin game myself, but after reading some of the ignorance here, there's a fat chance of that happening. Not worth the stress.

Am I a cheerleader? Not even close. I've just come to accept how this game is played. When it's over, it's over. If the admin pays out until he can't pay anymore, that to me is a fair game. Is he or any other admin supposed to stay online everyday for 7-10 hours a day for free? Absolutely not.
mm

I said my opinion based on my experience.

I have HYIPs who I achieved ROI for 200%.

With autosurfs, I have not even achieved any kind of ROI. I thought SFS will be different, but it turns out to be the same.

Dont feel irritated when we talk back like this. We are the ones losing money, not you. Probably you will only lose a thousand or so, but you will always get profit from here as newcomers will come and they dont know what is going on in autosurf, so they pour in money. Not for me. I know already what it was, and I know a lot of others do so that is why fewer and fewer are putting in money or just doing H&R.

Dont be angry about the messenger. Be angry at the too greedy crocodiles killing your industry.

Wow. I have never seen a member before that ridicules other member for trying to get back their money. And to think you also lost money? What are you trying to say, Edit: inappropriate remark

When you win in a game, you always hear the victors boasts about his profits. Or that he just achieved BEP so pew what a close call.

But to ridicule those who lost? That is just heartless.

Edit: inappropriate remark

This post has been edited by Hula: Jan 28 2011, 11:14 AM

Does anyone else think I was ridiculing anyone? If a much-needed reality check in this thread is considered to be a ridicule, then I'm not sure how I should be posting.

I tell you what...Next time when you run out of luck and lose money, call me so I will be there to laugh at you.

You dont have to ridicule people for applying for refund in AP...In fact, it does work in many cases.

You dont know the difference of reality check from heartless mockery? I will demonstrate the latter to you when you do lose your money next time.

Hi
1st of all i too was talking from my Experience.

You really are needing to get clued up mate, What do you mean by ''We are the ones losing money, not you Probably you will only lose a thousand or so'' you clearly dont know what your talking about.

Its been said before and it will always be said, ITS A GAME Some you win some you lose. I think your needing to gain a little more experience in how to play the game.

Yes i was in profit (about $200.00 after rcb paid) becuase i played the game, never HAR the site always had money running, my own money for that matter, no listing fee or free bonus money my hard earned cash just like urs.

Had $150.00 in upgrades active when it closed, wish it didn't close but it did so i deal with it how i see it.

So i run the risk just like you on a lose, Did you lose ? if so how much ? if not how much did you profit ?

How did you play the game ? I'm not angry at you just telling the way it is.

Alzander

Yes, they are games. The only difference is the autosurf is a game where you either H&R or play with just a few bucks until the end to gain some puny profits. If you start to believe that you can put your money in autosurf the way you do in Hyips, you lose.

Dont lecture me its just a game. Put yourself in my shoes next time, then you can begin to tell me what I dont know before.

This post has been edited by 10BucksUp: Jan 28 2011, 10:42 AM

I have read for years about member's shouting and yelling when they loose their money ,i have also read members praising and worshiping the admin when they are in profit ,but i don't understand what members here are upto when they claim to have known the in and out of the closed program and the admin and when they try to give explanations why he closed the program .

What is this iam reading ,i have never read about members posting and supporting the admin after he closes the program , whats the logic behind this ???? .