How Roulette Computers work | Winning Roulette Tips


While there are many options and settings the user can tweak to increase the accuracy of predictions, below is a shortened and simplistic explanation of what is required to apply our roulette computer:

PHASE 1 - TAKING SAMPLES:

The computer of course needs to know the deceleration of a particular wheel and ball (not just the detected speed for single spins) so before actual play mode, you must take timings of sample revolutions of the wheel and ball. You can enter the sample revolution timings manually, or simply click the button to take timings. Firstly, you sample the wheel deceleration by clicking the button each time the wheel's zero passes any reference diamond (any diamond around the circumference of the wheel) - you do this for as many revolutions as you like. Secondly, on a separate spin, you click the button every time the ball passes any reference diamond - you also do this for as many revolutions as you like. Now the computer has sets of data - the computer then uses complex algorithms to determine the deceleration curve of the wheel and ball - it is not merely a matter of a deceleration "rate", so the algorithms must be precise and account for real-life curves. Importantly, the actual "curve" is different for every wheel because no two wheels are alike - this is one of the many things other roulette computers do not account for, therefore contributing to making predictions from simplistic computer less accurate. The "ball drop speed" is determined automatically and relevant data pertaining to the drop are tuned progressively during play mode - i.e. the more you play, the more accurate predictions become.

PHASE 2 - TESTING SAMPLE ACCURACY:

At this point, you can opt to test the accuracy of sample timings. To conduct the test, the user simply clicks the button 2 or more times (depending on user settings) to determine the speed of the wheel or ball during any given spin. The computer will then give audible beeps or sharp vibration pulses at the precise moment the ball is predicted to fall. Depending on whether or not the roulette computer user is satisfied with the accuracy, they can opt to return to phase 1, or continue to phase 3.

PHASE 3 - PLAY MODE:

This is where you actually start to win at roulette consistently. Once the wheel is spun, to actually make a prediction, the roulette computer user needs to select one specific diamond (or other static reference point) around the circumference of the wheel. The user then clicks the button once when the wheel's zero passes the reference diamond [first click], and once more when the wheel's zero passes the reference diamond again [second click]. Now at any time, the roulette computer user clicks the button again [third click] when the ball passes the same reference diamond, and again when the ball passes the reference diamond again [fourth and final click]. The prediction is then instantly relayed to the player who then places their bets. In this example, only 4 clicks are used. However up to 6 clicks in total may be used for predictions - the more clicks that are used, the more accurate the predictions are. Once the ball has landed, after a series of prompts either by vibration or earpiece, the user can enter into the computer which number the ball landed on (see also Roulette Computer Audio Demo). If a number is entered, the computer automatically tunes so that future predictions are more accurate.

What is a Roulette Computer?


Roulette computers are discrete electronic devices designed to predict the outcome of spins and win at roulette. They are far more effective than any roulette strategy, including the genuinewinner.com roulette system. Using a range of methods, they measure the speed and deceleration of the wheel and ball to cheat and predict where the ball is most likely to land. If the computer has been designed correctly, predictions are clearly accurate enough to overcome the house edge and win at roulette.


"We provide by far the most sophisticated casino cheating devices available anywhere. We are the only supplier that provides a 200% money-back guarantee."


You may have read news articles about users of such electronic devices that have been caught after winning vast sums of money. The highest profile story of roulette computer use to beat the casino was of the Ritz Casino Mobile Phone group who earned £1.3M (US$2.3M) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article399673.ece
within days. Because the technology is LEGAL, the group was permitted to keep their winnings. Contrary to popular belief, roulette computers are actually LEGAL in most casinos. This is because the devices predict spin outcomes without interfering with actual outcomes. However, legal or not, casinos obviously don't like players using them. If a casino suspects you of roulette computer use, they'll ask you to leave and may even ban you. For this reason, the technology must be applied covertly.

For demos and details PM.

WARNING ABOUT THIS AD, this person Steven Hourmouzis is an international criminal and liar who tried to steal the idea of the genuine roulette computer developer Mark Howe from the UK who is the real Deal. One of the customers of Steven Hourmouzis purchased this for several thousand dollars to find out it was a SCAM. It was also revealed by Hourmouzis neighbours that he is NOT WEALTHY and photos shown at this site show why you should avoid this guy like the plague. Tony From France shows WHY NOT TO PURCHASE FROM THIS MAN!

Here is the true story of Steven Hourmouzis
http://www.zyworld.com/Bago/Stefano_Hourmouzis_Scam.htm

I hope moneymakers leaves this here for all to see!

Hello,

My first entry here. Don't trust the "Win a fortune on roulette" systems in any case, they are all just scam. Albert Einstein was quoted as saying, "The only way to beat Roulette is to steal the money when the dealer's not looking."

I didn't try playing roulette when I once visited a casino place. It just didn't caught my attention even though there are a lot of people playing. I would still go with poker, more challenging.

THE ONLY ROULETTE COMPUTER I USE IS MY COMPUTER AT ONLINE CASINOS!

*Stay away from "worlds best roulette system" software by Michael Davis it is a complete Affiliate scam*


I am currently designing a website that will sell guides on how to cheat poker, roulette and blackjack...

ONLINE CASINOS ONLY... mainly using software, there will be links to bonuses, casinos, poker rooms etc.

Now I am going to just give away the tactic that has made me thousands from roulette at PLAYTECH platform casinos... and you can try this out for free!

Why because im sick of affiliates telling you you can cheat when they havent got the foggyest...

now casinos all do one thing to make money - use the house edge as an advantage - the longer you play ANY given game the more risk you have at losing. this happens in the real world and online casinos do the same, it is programmed in every online casino game given.

SLOTS MAKE UP 80% of a casinos income --------> so if you love playing slots your a mug!

Notice how you may make a few moderate wins and then bye bye to all your money, they work on payouts at a percentage of income- so when a casino may take in 10,000 they may pay out $100 understand? dont hold me to this but i can guarantee this is how it works a bit like the fair ground claws that you pay a "�" to play and try to grab a cuddly bear and the claw only properly grips one out of ten teddies.

ok so we know that casino software is set to make you lose inevitably so how can we use this against them, online that is.

well there are many "robots" on the market that can recognise your display and react to events do mathmatical calculations = execute actions via mousclick and x/y ect ect, in real time and you just watch them play your computer casino games and make you money!

yep it is possible to win huge amounts from casinos monthly without generating any attention - but to be realistic you would need a graphics card and 2 large screens for the bots to play multiple casinos and games at the same time. this is usually at poker rooms and blackjack bonus bagging

(when i say huge i mean freeeeeking huge)

so today i will show you how I was able to make $200 - $500 from online roulette within 20 minutes per day.


ANY CASINO THAT IS GENUINE AND TRUSTED WILL ALLOW YOU TO WIN ALMOST IMMEDIATELY!

You sign up go in deposit your money and claim your 1st 100% bonus! OPTIONAL as you may not wish to wager the requirements on the bonus which may be 20x !!! so if you pay 200 in you get 200 so 200 bonus x 20 wagering = 4000!!!! you will have to play your bonus requirements before being allowed to cash out your bonus money!


So we only use bonuses for BLACKJACK STRATEGY + POKER STRATEGY


We are assuming that you will have purchased the Bulletproof system after we have completed the site and that you have already read how to get blackjack bonus money paid to you virtually on autopilot. (and have now got money sat in your account for free)

(I will leave the url here for my site upon completion)

when you first log into the online casino you should head over to the european roulette table, making sure in the lobby that there have been no big payouts to any members announced, as when A BIG PAYOUT occurs the casino is down on cash and the systems percentages will want to level out to optimum setting.
THIS MAKES IT HARDER TO WIN AS THE COMPUTERS WANT TO GAIN CASH NOT LOSE IT.
also timing is crucial i played in the uk between 8am-12pm (b4 lunch) when i think it is quieter.

SO.. if you find that the casino has paid out big we can still use this against them and this will be what to do-

get a bot to auto spin the table ((this only works at casinos that allow you to free spin the table))

untill there is in excess of 20+ same colour occurences (including green) in a row example:

(there are only 3 colours on a roulette table red, black and green 'zero')

R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-G-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-G-R-R-R- OKAY? 21 same colours including "zero" which is green

It will stop spinning when this chain has been reached. go home and come back again in 48 - 72 hours.

when you come back bet on BLACK!

Bet what you choose it really doesnt matter - I would say at the most 1/4 of the table bet limits..

YOU WILL GET WHAT IS EXPECTED 99.9% OF THE TIME... leave initial bet low enough to play a few steps of a progression within table limits to be extra 100% sure!


GO AND TRY IT! THANKS MMMMMMWAH LOVE YOU AND GOODBYE!

ps. I played my roulette bonus out using this method combined with an advanced martingale to cover my tracks. enjoy...

PPS please do try this out by yourself in real mode at a casino 1st without spending or wagering- just clock up the rng output so it looks ridiculously unfair and then come back 24 hours later and free spin with a bet in your mind for the opposite colour, free spin and win!.... next time you perform this system, enter the casino and wager a unit and win!!, after that wager you know it will work and you can test it with different wagers on entry.

DONT GET GREEDY! LOSE SOME OF YOUR WINNINGS STAY UNDETECTED! OTHERWISE YOU WILL BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU.


PSSSST : casinos sorry but how can you stop your software from doing this? it is how you make so much money.. have to keep your radars open or become an iligitimate entity!!!

My friend fell for this. The guy selling this is a guy in Australia, a notorious Internet Criminal that has been to prison in the past for scamming people using the internet. Put his name in Google. His name is Steven Hourmouzis and he lives in Australia. Australia is the new Nigeria when it comes to scams, they guy is still in business after been repeatedly reported to the authorities like the ACCC and the Police. Well, history has it that Australia was where they sent all the criminals, most of them descendants of criminals and some became Police and the Law of the land. Its about time this guy was put behind bars.

The above posts are made by a competitor of http://www.roulettecomputers.com and http://www.genuinewinner.com who's name is Mark Anthony Howe. He has been banned from every major gambling forum for posting under fake names to mainly discredit his competitors. The main competitor he tries to discredit is Steven Hourmouzis. Do more research at http://www.roulettewars.com where all the rubbish claims are refuted.

See http://www.roulettesystemreviews.com/index6.html#markhowe and especially http://www.roulettesystemreviews.com/r-mar...tecomputer.html

Pay particular attention to this part:

On the MoneyMakerGroup forum, he pretended to be "Forester" who is his competitor who also develops roulette computers. In the below sample, he responds to another member's post. Mark's comment is the bottom part. Note how he said "Howe with his team at the Ritz casino" . . . Now the problem with this is Mark had nothing to do with the roulette players who won millions in the Ritz casino. He is posting this garbage trying to lure victims into thinking his devices were actually behind the Ritz team's success:



This forum member's profile (Forester) is below, where you can see how he claims to make illegal satellite cards. The thing is Mark Howe is the only person who ever claimed the real Forester did this because he wanted people to believe Forester's computers don't work, and had to break the law making illegal satellite tv cards to make a living. And when you consider this forum member's (fake "forester") other posts are all aimed at discrediting his competition and promoting Mark, it is not hard to see that it is all Mark posting under fake names and pretending to be other people. He has been doing this for literally over 10 years, and has been banned from every major gambling forum for it.



BEWARE: Mark Howe is a notorious scammer and pretending to be other people on forums and doing everything conceivable to discredit his competitors is just how he competes. You can get his roulette computer for free from people he scammed. There are many sites you can get it from, just do a little digging.

It is all just much easier for Mark Howe to try and discredit his competitors than actually make a better roulette computer. Again it is just how he competes.

A few more facts about Mark Howe:







AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. Read more at http://www.roulettesystemreviews.com/r-mar...tecomputer.html

ps - the mods have since modified some of the posts here. Just everyone needs to do their research on Mark Howe to see what kind of person he is

The Moderators removed links you was showing to illegal copyrighted material, namely a competitors Software. Why not spend time improving your products and giving refunds back to the victims at http://stevenhourmouzis.com

You have many victims that purchased your systems Hourmouzis, ALL OF THEM WANT A REFUND that you PROMISED AT YOUR SITE, WHERE IS IT?

Their emails are there for all to see and proof they purchased your rubbish and it did not work. Why have you not kept your promise that you give full 200% refunds back?

The Video showing how you Steven Hourmouzis trick people was very interesting, I can see why you have a hatred campaign going with Mark Howe, he exposes you for what you really are. You are a sad pathetic man I was going to purchase your system, until I read you had been done for internet Fraud and been to prison. Tony Dunhumel also shows you for what you are, a scammer and fraudster.

Do not attempt to persecute a a guy in the UK that exposes you for been a criminal and a conman, do something about it, CHANGE!
Pay the Victims you owe money too their refund like you promised at your site. Apologise to Mark Howe and maybe people might take you seriously. People see through your mountain of words, you PROCLAIM TO MUCH, HOURMOUZIS you are just a JEALOUS and VERY ENVIOUS MAN.

Do you think that Mark Howe were really a builders Labourer when you look at the fantastic selection of Mouth computers, Roulette computers and hearing aids that he makes himself at his site http://predictroulette.com

for the Record Hourmouzis, I contacted the phone number for Thomas Allmark from the Gambling commission to see if you had misquoted him , they stated a legal case is been put together and you will be receiving a letter shortly. This week. I have a copy of the letter and anyone that wishes to see it can PM me.

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/forums.html
It appears your time will soon be up Hourmouzis. Your lies keep getting exposed time and time again.

so after seeing the REAL evidence at http://stevenhourmouzis.com, Mark does own a Hummer, you state its rented when you can clearly see the proof he owns it.

The gambling commission never said what you quoted, you are a liar and they have repeatedly asked you to remove the offending material.

And then there is the FACT THAT YOU OWE PEOPLE 200%REFUNDS because your products do not work like you claim?
All their names and proof of purchase, I think Mark Howe has done a terrific Job exposing you Hourmouzis!

At the end of the day, if the guy were a builders Labourer( which I very much Doubt .) he's smart enough to see how you did your scam?

Here is a list of the VICTIMS for anyone to contact.

Genuinewinner.com Unhappy Customers
Mr Hourmouzis claims we have fabricated many lies about him, so we decided to cut the chase and as requested show all the genuinewinner.com unhappy customers wanting a refund. This shows you proof that they purchased his rubbish and now want http.//genuinewinner.com to honour his guarantee that he will give them a refund, he also use to offer a 200% refund if you was unhappy, he’s since removed it as more and more people are asking for their money back.

He also offers this FAKE GUARANTEE at http://roulettecomputers.com

Never purchase a roulette prediction device from Australia, he has many people selling under different names and many fake sites all in Australia because you are unprotected their with trading standards ( ACCC)

Some people have paid over $8000 for this rubbish that does not work, especially Steven Hourmouzis mobile phone that he claims we do not have and have not tested it, if we have not got it, then what is this Mr Hourmouzis, you can see its actually your phone with your software on it, its the biggest scam I have ever seen and I have a ridiculous amount of unhappy customers of yours complaining to me to investigate, until I direct them to this site and they see that other people have been the victim of your elaborate scam>



Here is a list of people wanting the 200% refund you claim you give people if your product does not work when they purchased it, can these people have a refund Mr Hourmouzis?

He still offers the guarantees at his sites http://roulettecomputers.com and http://genuinewinner.com on the home page if you check, take a screen shot and save it if you want a refund.

Here is a copy of him posting the 200% guarantee taken from this site
http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/...=Gambling_Tools He claims he will give the refunds of over $60,000 if the 6 people that contacted it come forward with the phones, it never happened!. Yet another site contacted with complaints by people wanting refunds from Hourmouzis for their roulette phone that does not work!

He still claims his products are Lab tested and proved to work, by what recognised institution, its not, its a hook to get you believe his products are genuine, its not LAB TESTED AT ALL!



Several Customers, one spending over $8000 dollars with this guy want a refund, when they asked, Mr Steven Hourmouzis asked them to place the Sim card in the phone, because with this in place, he can remove the software remotely to remove the product you have just paid several thousand dollars for. So be warned how this character operates He also gets you to sign a legal confidentiality agreement to not disclose with anyone else,so you cannot warn other people about the scam, but the legal document is not LEGAL, so if you have a complaint and want a refund from this character, contact us to place your complaint with us and to pass it on to the relevant authorities. Contact: markhowy1@gmail.com

One person has complained to the Police and the ACCC but is still currently waiting for a refund from Steven Hourmouzis, here is a copy of His Complaint to the ACC as well with details, he welcomes anyone contemplating to purchase from Steven Hourmouzis to contact him first in person so that he can tell you first hand what a scam Artist and conman Mr Hourmouzis is.

Yet another unfortunate victim this week reports to me about Hourmouzis not giving the refunds he claims he gives back, here is the newest victim reporting to me about hourmouzis scam

hi Mark howe

Please mark can you help me get my money back of this scam artist. I do not know how to go about it, who do I contact? here is the proof he ripped me off and refused to give me a refund.

Thank you

Another Victim you have permission to contact is Severus who has asked for Hourmouzis to honour his refund, but he refuses.

Here is proof of his payment and you can contact him using this email severusf@yahoo.com



Application to the ACCC

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Application confirmed

Confirmation

The ACCC appreciates the time you have taken to report this scam. The ACCC receives many reports of scams. This information greatly assists us to monitor scam trends and take action where appropriate. A record of your report will be kept and if any further information is required, you may be contacted by ACCC staff. If you want advice about how to deal with a scam, please review the information on this website. You may also wish to contact the SCAMwatch Information Line on 1300 795 995.

You submitted the following: Scamwatch complaint lodged by Mr Viorel Perianu

Complainant details Name: Mr Viorel Perianu Age: 35-44 Gender: Male Street address:xxxxxx Suburb / Town: Braila State: Outside Australia/New Zealand Country: Romania Postcode: 810468 Business hours phone number: +40723385090 Email address: viorel.perianu@gmail.com

Name: Steven Hourmouzis Street address: 2 Warrior Court Suburb / Town: Lily Vale, Melbourne State: Vic Country: Australia Postcode: 3140 Phone number: +61 3 9727 2211 Email: nospam@genuinewinner.com URL: www.genuinewinner.com ABN: ACN: Other names: Stephano

What type of scam was it? Computer prediction software (including betting)

What problems did you experience?

Misleading or deceptive information about the product/service/business Overpriced or sub-standard goods Difficulty getting a refund

Application confirmed

Money

Did you pay / transfer / lose money to the scammer?

true

Briefly describe the scam (including any information not covered by the questions above): The item I purchased was a roulette computer that cost me 8250 AUD. The product clearly does not work like he claims and I would like a refund that he promised at his site of 200%. I just want my money back as this is an elaborate scam orchestrated by a clever manipulator and clever fraudster.

https://www.scamwatch.gov.au/content/mainta...ontentTypeName=

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Hi Mark

Here is proof of payment for Stefanos system, I just want my money back, you have permission to show everything I write and proof of payment of $2000 to this conman.

Heres proof of me Gethin Hills payment who has repeatedly asked for a refund and you can see his email to me>



rom MicroSoft Sucks <highlander243@hotmail.com>
to mark anthony <markhowy@googlemail.com>
date Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:10 AM
subject Re: Predict Roulette Contact form
mailed-by hotmail.com
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hi mark
i wrote you ages ago about trying to get a refund from the rip off artist stefano. sorry for the delay but i now have the time to follow up on this matter. do you have a fax num. where i can fax you all documents i have from when i bought the system. to scan them will be difficult but maybe possible.
i book the GW ebook. he refuses to give me a password to open it & accuses me of breaking the terms agreement with no proof. the system just doesnt work as he states, he takes days, weeks & even months to return emails. before i bought the system he spouted about how you are paying for his personal support, once bought he just ignores you & gives excuses about why he takes so long to reply. i´ve been burnt & i accept that. maybe with some luck, you can help me get a refund.
all the best
stevan martin



Tony from France did get a refund after heavy pressure highlighted he had been scammed by Mr Hourmouzis

Here is his email to Steven Hourmouzis and proof he purchased the system, Steven Hourmouzis claims the several thousand dollars is for a Nokia phone repair, can you beleive this guy.

Heres the mail from Tony to Steven hourmouzis



Proof of shipment and scam in shipment claiming its for a nokia repair







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Hi there

I am sorry to hear the bad news, you will have to send me proof of payment, when you purchased it and name the problems you had with it, I will publically place it on my site, but first contact the relevent authorities regards your losses, they can put pressure on stefano to issue a refund to you.

did you pay by credit card, bank transfer?

all details would be appreciated, then we can go from there.

Regards

Mark . .

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Hello Mark, how do i contact the authorities and what should i have to tell them? Do you think is better to talk to stefano too to tell him im unhappy with his system and i want my money back or i just tell the authorities and send you the proof of payment? By the way, i paid in a wire transfer.

thanks, jorge.

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Hi there

I am sorry to hear the bad news, you will have to send me proof of payment, when you purchased it and name the problems you had with it, I will publically place it on my site, but first contact the relevent authorities regards your losses, they can put pressure on stefano to issue a refund to you.

did you pay by credit card, bank transfer?

all details would be appreciated, then we can go from there.

Regards

Mark . .

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Comments: Hello Mark Howe, a friend told about Stefano`s scam, and unfortunatly i bought his system a year ago, and obviously haven`t succed at all yet. My contact told me that you helped him getting his money back, please i want that you help me on what is posible to you, to see if i can get refound. Thanks.
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if you send me all the details, I can send everything to the correct authorites, then ask Stefano for a refund stating what you have done, he will more than likely, then pay up after he receives a letter from the correct authorites. Its not as easy as you think , because he has covered himself slightly and has a disclaimer. Which system did you purchase?

Regards

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Hello Mark, how do i contact the authorities and what should i have to tell them? Do you think is better to talk to stefano too to tell him im unhappy with his system and i want my money back or i just tell the authorities and send you the proof of payment? By the way, i paid in a wire transfer.

thanks, jorge.

On 9/20/07, mark anthony wrote:

Hi there

I am sorry to hear the bad news, you will have to send me proof of payment, when you purchased it and name the problems you had with it, I will publically place it on my site, but first contact the relevent authorities regards your losses, they can put pressure on stefano to issue a refund to you.

did you pay by credit card, bank transfer?

all details would be appreciated, then we can go from there.

Regards

Mark . .

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Comments: Hello Mark Howe, a friend told about Stefano`s scam, and unfortunatly i bought his system a year ago, and obviously haven`t succed at all yet. My contact told me that you helped him getting his money back, please i want that you help me on what is posible to you, to see if i can get refound. Thanks.
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hi Mark, ill scan the payment receipt to send it to you, i used my bank to make a wire transfer. that was the way i puechased the system. just a question: i didn´t understand on your last letter this part: “then pay up after he receives a letter from the correct authorites.�
Thanks again, have a nice day
jorge.
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Hi Jorge
if you send me all the details, I can send everything to the correct authorites, then ask Stefano for a refund stating what you have done, he will more than likely, then pay up after he receives a letter from the correct authorites. Its not as easy as you think , because he has covered himself slightly and has a disclaimer. Which system did you purchase?

Regards

Mark ..

On 9/21/07, Jorge Lafuente wrote:

Hello Mark, how do i contact the authorities and what should i have to tell them? Do you think is better to talk to stefano too to tell him im unhappy with his system and i want my money back or i just tell the authorities and send you the proof of payment? By the way, i paid in a wire transfer.

thanks, jorge.

On 9/20/07, mark anthony wrote:

Hi there

I am sorry to hear the bad news, you will have to send me proof of payment, when you purchased it and name the problems you had with it, I will publically place it on my site, but first contact the relevent authorities regards your losses, they can put pressure on stefano to issue a refund to you.

did you pay by credit card, bank transfer?

all details would be appreciated, then we can go from there.

Regards

Mark . .

On 9/19/07, jorge lafuente garcia wrote:

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Comments: Hello Mark Howe, a friend told about Stefano`s scam, and unfortunatly i bought his system a year ago, and obviously haven`t succed at all yet. My contact told me that you helped him getting his money back, please i want that you help me on what is posible to you, to see if i can get refound. Thanks.
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show details 9/21/07

Hi Jorge

He will have to pay you a refund if you can prove
A you purchased the system( please state which one)
B Why you believe it does not work, use any evidence you can, even my sites.
C When you purchased it and what money have you lost trying to use it!
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Jorge Lafuente
to me

show details 11/8/07

Hello Mark, this is Jorge, I´m sorry for not writing for some time,
but i´m going to be honest to you. As you know i´m convinced that
stefano`s system is a scam and thats why i decided to contact you in
the first place, but i was waiting for a little while before telling
him to refound my money because he is been very pushed by all the
players about a CV online software that he promised to all of us was
going to be ready to use soon, so i have been waiting to see if its
real that that thing exist, But these last days some players that feel
the same than me were talking in the players forum like it is all a
lie, and a friend of me ( another player) yesterday was banned of the
“system team� and by the way i told him to contact you too.

I really appreciate your concern on helping me, and i really want to
continue right now with this because i dont like that Stefano do this
to people.
Tell me what should i do from now please, well you told me to contact
him asking for my refound and give him one week and if he refuses to
answer. contact you again. Thats what i´m going to do now, please let
me know of any news

Thank you again Mark, i´ll let you know as soon as i send him my
ultimatum message. Now i have to go to work but as soon as i get back
home i´ll do it.

Best regards to you!

jorge.

On Oct 15, 2007 4:48 PM, mark anthony wrote:
> Hi Jorge
>
>
> first things first.
>
> you need to contact Stefano and ask him for a full refund.
>
> State that you are going to go to the authorites and also contact his
> competiitors with all information that the system loses and evidence of
> purchase if he cannot make a refund. You will also contact the Police.
>
> State to him, if he wishes to not to pay you back a refund that he claims he
> does at his site, or what grounds does he not wish to pay you your refund?
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> Give him 1 week to reply.
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> We have to do this legally frst.
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> YOu need to save proof that he refuses to pay you.
>
> Regards
>
> Mark
>

Jorge Lafuente
to me

show details 10/3/07

hello mark, im sorry for not contact you before but i had to go for a couple of weeks to make a job, im back now.
ill try to make a copy of the recipt of the transaction to stefano, i can tell you that im unhappy because i sent him spins to be analized from him to find the “customs� from different wheels but never succidded, he just told me that maybe i was taking bad spins or cause of the humidity or air pressure or anything to make me think that i had to be more careful taking the spins for analisis.
I havent losse much money with the system because its been almost imposible to use it( for not say IMPOSIBLE), but yes i lost real money, and i have never win at all not even to recover my $2000( i bought the roulette standard system). He says in the site that EVEN A LITTLE KID CAN APPLY THE SYSTEM, and i dont think so at all. He says later(offcourse when he had sell the system) that is not so easy, you have to consider lots of things, and i cant stay for a hole day during a hole month in a casino trying to get perfect spins….
I have lost a lot of my valuable time doing nothing.
Im i a little clear. ?
Please tell me if its ok this that i have told you here, or do i need to tell you more specific the points, and please tell me what should i have to do now.

Most people know that play roulette That dealers can spin consistently and smoothly, and not a number when they release the ball then they can place the ball where they wish. Some people will not believe this is possible, but if I show you that MARK HOWE could beat Hourmnouzis video and obtain better results than him without his magic Rabbit Foot Patterns by just looking a one position ( the number under a diamond) when Steven Hourmouzis releases the ball. Mark Howe Shows absolutely and clearly how This Hourmouzis character does the trick. Note the number at the 8 oclock position when Hourmouzis releasesthe ball, simple dealer signature. you can also see it done at http://rouletteprediction.com by John at Jafco who is showing how dealers can manipulate where the ball goes.

Now it may not surprise some of you that Hourmouzis use to be a croupier, hence the manipulation.



youtube vid of how its done
also at
http://stevenhourmouzis.com

What Steven Hourmouzis did was use this very technique to fool you all and the victims that he had special patterns and variants, read more of the rubbish at his site
http://genuinewinner.com
Hourmouzis was absolutely bent on revenge on MARK HOWE for exposing him, but if you do not do the CRIME HOURMOUZIS, You would not be doing the TIME!

Hourmouzis tried too and successfully did take down the site Mark Howe had claiming copyright infringement and doing a DMCA ruling on him.

But the Fair use doctrine allowed in part the showing of such footage if it was away to explain something, or expose something.

so not HOURMOUZIS IS STUFFED AND REVEALED FOR WHAT HE IS YET AGAIN! A SCAMMER!

This has to be the icing on the Cake and puts big long thick 6" nails in the top of Hourmouzis Coffin Lid!
Its like something for JERRY SPRINGER!

Steven Hourmouzis has advertised Jobs for Lawyers on his site at $175,000 per annum, stated companies were interested in purchasing his web site promotion company for 20 million, all posted on Gamblersglen and his own websites, screen shots taken. He had million pound offices, and posted this all over the net spamming everywhere. Oh and don't forget the Armed security guards.

Then someone pretended to be his wifes friend and created a fake Facebook account and email to coax her into conversation, what transpired is as funny as hell and reveals this little dumpster of a man has very little, Kylies family put the money down on the house! He has nothing and does little round the house.

Read on. . .
Also avoid site-promotion.com and roulettecomputers.com!
Steven Hourmouzis( owner of http.//genuinewinner.com) Wife’s real name is Kylie Tjepkema and she was duped and tricked into thinking she was talking to one of her friends that had moved to London. The conversation that ensued proved without a doubt that 2 Warrior Court , Lilydale 3140 , Melbourne , Australia is their real address and they have a mortgage at that abode. Photos were also taken from her Face Book account of the house and it clearly shows a poor home with evidence they are definitely living there with their Child Riley Tjepkema, The cat, the dog, the same blinds and carpet that exist in his million pound offices he claimed he owned.

The friend the detective pretended to be was a girl called Cheryl and she emailed Kylie to pretend that she had won the Lottery in the UK and she wanted to pay off their mortgage, but much more was revealed about Steven Hourmouriz and his lies and fantasy world.

Anyone wanting the conversation sending showing full headers for evidence ,just contact me at markhowy1@gmail.com

Read the dialogue here>
This dialogue can be forwarded to anyone wanting to authenticate this conversation to prove Steven Hourmouzis is a liar and to take him to court. Steven hourmouzis wifes dialougue is in red and our investigators dialougue is called Cheryl and is highlighted in Blue

fromKylie@SwishMiss.com <kylie@swishmiss.com>
tocherylhale1@googlemail.com,
dateSun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:21 AM
hide details 7:21 AM (23 hours ago) Reply

Stefanos Wifes reply to Investigator (posing as Kylies long lost friend)
Hi Cheryl,
Good to hear from you, how have you been? its been a very long time… Baby Riley is fantastic and sooo beautiful, he is such a good little baby and looks just like his Dad, actually he has more hair then his dad already ha ha. Our address is 2 Warrior Court Lilydale 3140 and he is nearly in size 000, but trust me he is growing quickly so sizes 000 or 00 would be fine. Thats very nice of you to think of us and get him a little pressie. How long have you been overseas for??

Kylie

Investigator to Kylie

Hi Kylie

Working hard as always, love life is a bit dull.How’s the Jewelry business going? You are so lucky to have married a good Hubby. Just curious how much the properties have gone up in Australia, what did you pay for your place, its in such a good area, I am so jealous! Little Baby Riley, such a cool name, jeez so much I can buy him, I will be back again soon so we can go fr a walk and a chat, better for me to give you a ring sometime, but with little Riley it might not be that convenient if he’s due a feed and that. Bet you have finished up one of those girls that does multitasking , phone, baking and holding Riley at the same time. How is Steven with the baby, hope hes doing his share of the work in the house!

Take care Kylie and hugs and kisses from me for you and Riley!

XXX

Investigator to Kylie

Hi Kylie

I tried giving you a ring, but it was the wrong number, this is the number I have got>>>>(0418)508528 LILYDALE , send me your new number pls I will call you!

Stefanos Wifes reply to Investigator (posing as Kylies long lost friend)

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Kylie@SwishMiss.com <kylie@swishmiss.com> wrote:

Hi cheryl

Jewellery business is going well, havent had the advertising on lately, taking a bit of time off of course to enjoy Riley, I just work when I feel like it. Properties are pretty expensive at the moment but I think they are going down a little soon. We bought our property for $365,000, the house was 3 years old and the backyard was still bare.
We just recently won $10,000 on funniest home videos so are now finally getting the backyard fixed up with that money yay… Would be good to catch up and go for a walk and a chat, Riley is pretty easy he eats every approx 4 hours and then sleeps the rest of the time, such a good baby, so a walk will be fine, we are out walking with him and the dog every day. Multitasking of course aren’t all girls multitasking, men on the other hand not so much, its hard enough to get him to do one thing let alone multitask.
I have to say though Steve is fantastic with Riley and he loves him so much he can’t keep his hands off him and yes helps round the house …occasionally, a lot when I start yelling because the place is a pigsty but he is pretty good most of the time. Steve says Hi too.
My phone number is 0418 508 526 so give me a call if you feel like a chat and let us know when your back here to catch up.

Kylie

Investigator to Kylie

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 4:50 AM, Cheryl Hale <cherylhale1@googlemail.com> wrote:

Hi Kylie

Will give you a call when I get access to skype again, mobile and landlines cost to much for how long I want to chat for , that way it won’t cost me to much, if I can time it right, we can have a good natter he?
Send me a link to the funniest home video, love to see it, or send it to me! WOW you lucky things, $10.000 dollars jeez! ?
$365,000 dollars, hey thats not bad, out of touch with finances lately, how much did you put down and how much do you repay monthly, I here some frightening stories on companies ripping you off with extra payments and that. I would like an idea on how much I would have to pay over 25 years, how much do you have to pay a month over how much time, is it a repayment mortgage? Love some advice of you and some figures to go on, you and Steve seem pretty switched on, who is best to lend from, what bank, who did you use, any info would be appreciated! Can’t afford what you have, but if you can tell me on what you pay on what you purchased, say you pay 800 dollars a month, i know that roughly I would pay 400 dollars a month on a $200,000 home. Jeez i sound so nosey, soz, just would like some help of people that have already done it and seem to know what they are doing, some ballpark figures would be appreciated though!
Riley sounds a dream, every 4 hours, my, you are so lucky! I was reading on a site lately that says walking is the best form of exercise after having a baby, you lose the calories without putting to much strain on the belly, so keep it up girl! You look sparkling in the pic on Facebook and so happy, I am so envious! Have you seen those tie Wrap thingys, that are made out of material and tie around your body, they are the new in thing in Europe and look really hip, funny, but I have looked at so much baby stuff lately since you gave birth! They will keep little Riley safe and warm near your body and also he can see the real world and more importantly ,you! Not sure what age Riley has to be to use one, or whether you would feel comfortable wearing one, but I talked to this girl who says that her baby girl loves it, she relaxes more and tends to sleep better because she is stimulated more visually and feels safe. Take a look on youtube.com, thats where she told me to look when I asked how do you put the baby in one, there was knots all over lol. Something to look at for you anyway.

Say ‘hi’ back to Steve, he’s an intelligent guy, you are lucky, what’s he up to these days, any new ventures, he has always something interesting to say, you will never get bored with him, thats for sure. Are you going to get back into horse riding in a few months, or is it just a young girls sport do you think, you are not that old you know, just because you have little Riley! Keep well, long walks, horse riding and another cool thing to do is swimming when Riley is a little bit older! Make sure you take care of yourself Girl!

Missing everyone, but will be back again soon, we will have to have a party and a barbie, maybe a few drinks LOL

Take Care Kylie, keep up the good work, make sure you get Steve to help you out a little more round the house, don’t defend him, if you have to Yell at him, he needs a good kick up the %&# LOL Only joking LOL

Speak to you soon Lots of Love Cheryl XXXX

Stefanos Wifes reply to Investigator (posing as Kylies long lost friend)

Hi Cheryl

I have a list of some properties near us and some mortgage lenders details, let me know if you need some help.

Kylie

Investigator to Kylie

Hi Kylie

I cannot control my excitment any longer and cus we are alike in many ways, I think you would do the same so what I about to tell you must remain a secret for now, you are not to discuss this with anyone. Plz keep this to yourself, you have won more than $10,000 dollars! I have had a little luck also that has not yet sunk in, I still keep pinching myself and I have tried very very hard to keep quiet about it, even my family don’t know yet, I want it to be a surprise! You think I am Crazy, well I have won the Lottery in the UK,several million,Jeez I have not got it yet, they have involved personal finiancial advisors and for the moment, I still cannot afford much, but it clears soon and I am to go on national TV as a winner in the UK. Not sure about this bit yet, its optional!

Well, I do want to buy a property near you and buy you that Horse and stables you always wanted because I class you as a good person and you deserve it, I also want to pay off your mortgage if you let me, need to know how much exactly, don’t tell Steven, I want to tell Let me know the exact figure you owe. We can go riding together then ))) always classed you as a honest caring sincere person that made me feel good when I was low on more than one occassion. you tell me who you own the money too, I will get these free financial advisors to do it for me, they will pay all early settlement penalties etc, I was trying to get the info from you without you knowing, but I cannot contain myself any longer!

I don’t want everyone to know about this, not a soul, plz keep shum, not even Steven, I want it to be a surprise at the party just for him to see his face. I don’t want everyone coming out of the woodwork wanting a piece of the cake, so I am going to keep quiet about the actual amount as well.

I have a surprise for a few more people too, so they will be at the party, some you might know, some you don’t. but people who have mean’t something to me or changed me in a positive way somehow, even one of the old teachers from school.

Lots of Love Cheryl XXXX

Jeez Kylie, I will phone you later as soon as I get the funds lol, when I get back. My world is upside down and inside out at the moment, I don’t know what to do with all that money, any car, any house I want, any holidays, fancy getting away with me for a few days, Kentucky perhaps?

Stefanos Wifes reply to Investigator (posing as Kylies long lost friend)

Kylie@SwishMiss.com to me
show details Mar 25 Reply

Hi, OMG, OMG, I don’t know what to say, there is nothing I can say to you that would be able to thank you enough for what you are wanting to do for us, I just can’t believe it and feel like someone is playing a practical joke on me and this is not really happening so I can’t even imagine what you are feeling. You don’t know how much you will change our lives by doing this and I will never be able to thank you enough.
If for any reason you change your mind at any time about giving us this money do not even think twice about it. Just say and I wont care at all.

I still feel wrong telling you how much we owe….this is so crazy

We owe $270,000 on the house but if that is more then you were expecting you just do what you want and not the whole thing, anything would be amazing…

I’m sorry this is just too weird, if you change your mind please let me know and I will not be worried at all, I will never be able to thank you enouogh for this, I wish I knew what it was I said to you to deserve this, it must have been pretty good.

Look after yourself and be careful, that is a lot of money to have a lot of people know about, I can’t wait to talk to you in person and see how you are.

Thank you again and again and again………….xxxxxxxxxxx

Kylie

Investigator to Kylie

Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: Re:
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Hi Kylie

Plz don’t tell Steve, there is another reason not to tell him, I have a special surprise coming for him and you as well as paying off your home, he will know where its come from if you tell him, just hold out for a week until I get back, and funny enough, if it was not for you, I would not have purchased that ticket, thats why it feels right. honestly. The surprise will be well worth it if you can hold out, I am itching to tell tell you, but I have to have some surprises for you and steve! It was a little weird why I purchased the ticket, it said f&&king Kylie over the kiosk and I thought the pic was of you and walked out of way to have a look, then thought oh, why not, buy a ticket as I was thinking about you and something you said, when you told me you had won this money also, I thought WTF is going on, I keep waking up and dreaming, is it real, is it not!

God I sound so silly, listen, the money clears in a couple of days, I have the use of some top london dogs that are financial advisors and have already asked me how much I am going to give to friends and family, if at all and they are going to help me invest the rest wisely, but I still have some stuff to go through with them. They sort out all tax implications and the like, so you will not be eligible for any taxes! I talked with them today over Easter too, they get paid from the Lottery for their time and I have to have everything in writing and signed within the next two days on how much is placed into special savings accounts, how much to friends. So heres the deal to you, tell me how much approx you owe, don’t say anything to Steven and I will get them to post a cheque only to you for now, god, I know you want to tell him, but please dont yet and listen, I would have never bought that damm ticket if it was not for thinking about you after seeing your name and something you said a long time ago, so don’t you go silly on me, I am gonna send this cheque tomorrow from them, it all needs to be sorted out whilst I have them dealing with all this, When you get it, place it in the bank they will be an letter from the Lottery also explaining where the money has come from and that its tax free, so do not worry, you can then pay off the mortgage if you like, but I would like you to pay it off so you don’t owe anything. Then we are going shopping for some horses when I get back! I want to know, because there is a bit extra for you and the family to place on top, I am not bothered if you owe 95% of it, honestly, they put me in a hotel for the photos and to deal with the financial people who are also staying here, one of them is really attractive, but married shucks,-)) I have won several million british pounds, 2.15 Aussie Dollars to one english pound, its uncomprehendable how much I have. I am giving a quarter of it away to family ,friends and charities, a quarter at my disposal and the other half into high concurrent investments so I can draw from it every five years. I need to get this wrapped up with them. Its like working, they are here from 9am in the morning until 5pm discussing options, who is getting what etc. If after I decided to give you the money when I am back in Australia, you would have to pay tax on it, thats why I had to come clean with you and tell you! Hey, do you fancy going to one of those health farms, I have access to the lobbys internet terminals and there is some cool places that even have a creche for kiddies, cool or what? Hey, you will never own me anything for this, I will not be in your face or expect anything back from you, pls understand, you are my friend and I won that money because of someting you said along time ago and seeing your name over the kiosk, so don’t you dare refuse these gifts.

I will be online for another hour or so, so give me a rough figure, don’t let Steven know and it will be sorted tomorrow!

I am so excited, I dare not have one drink, they brought champagne, but i had orange juice, I have to keep a level head..not very good at the moment!

I have not slept hardly, I can’t, its strange .. Sleeping for two hours, then awake, even slept today at lunch whilst they went for their lunch for two hours!

Lots of hugs and kisses xxxx

Love cheryl

Stefanos Wifes reply to Investigator (posing as Kylies long lost friend)

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:47 AM, Kylie@SwishMiss.com <kylie@swishmiss.com> wrote:

Hello, Are you for real??? If this is true congratulations, OH MY GOD that is amazing. Are you sure I can’t tell steve, he won’t tell a soul I just can’t keep this info to myself only I will burst. Also am not sure about you paying off our mortgage etc as it wont feel right, its been such a long time since we have seen each other and I just don’t know…. i feel I would have to discuss it with Steve, too much to take in on my own….
I don’t know how you havent told your family yet I think I would have burst by now. What did you do when you found out?? You must have been in complete shock
You have to let me tell Steve or I at least have to chat to you in person about all this, I’m sure you have heaps of people you want to help out besides us and I just would’t feel right thinking about this on my own without Steve or at least talking to you. We can act surprised at the party still, no one will ever know we knew…..
Anyway let me know if I can tell him….Soon….
Congratulations again, when everyone else dreams about winning the lottery knowing it may never be true, you are one of the lucky ones who gets to dream about what they want and actually have it, i’m so happy for you and it will be good to catch up with you soon.

Kylie



Conclusion

Steven Hourmouzis later contacts me claiming they knew it was me all a long, but it was someone totally different that was investigating him and his wife. It proves conclusively that Hourmouzis does not own his home like he originally claimed, his Wife has the mortgage in her name and they have paid only a small amount of it off. Thanks for the information Kylie, much appreciated as this will go as evidence in a court case against your Scamming Husband at a later date.

hourmouzis claims to have to have a large property portfolio, yet cannot afford to pay his Wifes mortgage off?
Hourmouzis claims he was offered 20 million for his site promotion website, but cannot afford to have the garden done until he wins a funny animal video competiton $10,000
Hourmouzis claims he can afford to pay $175,00 in wages a year for a lawyer, but cannot afford to pay the poor victims who purchased his system a refund that he originally promised if it did not work?
Hourmouzis recently went to court with Miro Zirdum claiming he was affecting his business, but could not afford a lawyer and lost the case?

Hourmouzis must really think people are stupid if he thinks we believe any of his Walty Mitty Character on the net!

hourmouzis, no one cares what you write about competitors writing on message boards, no ones bothered, ONLY YOU! Because you need to affect their business and divert attention from these victims of yours because you can not improve your own products and make them work, Proof of that, the poor victims at stevenhourmouzis.com who want their 200% refunds you promised.

The video you tried to get removed from the net because it reveals how you trick people. You need therapy Hourmouzis, Serious Help, you are starting to believe your own **** and that's a sign of schizophrenia.

The Photoshop pic of your conference with no people, its hilarious, you need to edit your leg better , you could not even be bothered to actually go to a room and really do a picture worthy, you thought photoshop would fool people.

PAY THE VICTIMS YOU CHEATED OUT OF THEIR MONEY AND IMPROVE YOUR PRODUCTS, MAKE THEM LOOK CONVINCING.

A Former Policeman met you at court and you tried to convince him about your products and for him to come and view them, he agreed, but you kept backtracking. The meeting never happened. you called it off.

What is more funny is what the Police had to say about your character Steven, he seemed a little perturbed about your mental state.
He wrote:

My account of Mr hourmouzis who was in court recently with Forester and lost his case and who I chatted with in person and later though the net.

Hourmouzis continued to accuse me of involvement in this event and eluded to my former occupation( 35 years ago as a police officer). It became apparent that his experiences with the Legal system in the past were not pleasant and that I was now becoming the focus of his frustrations. I told him in other emails that i thought he needed professional help and I stand by that, he does. Of course as expected he took offence at that suggestion. My last words to him were "I have no ill feelings and do sincerely wish you every success. The casino is the Real enemy and anyone who can consistently conquer them is to be admired" I do not for one minute believe Steven has that capability, capacity and focus to defeat the game of roulette. I do however believe that he believes he can and is. I think he has an highly inflated view of his abilities and intellect and will probably go to the grave with those same beliefs. We see them jump from buildings flapping their arms every day, then we see the mess they leave behind



This post has been edited by Doppler: Dec 13 2012, 04:00 PM

Wow thats a whole lot of nothing. Everything you say is a personal attack or blatant manipulation. Seems to me looks more like desperation to compete.

Try as you may, but truth prevails. Your competitor did public demos, and proved you're a liar. It was recorded with witnesses and all. You just say he paid actors. He even sent his device to independently testers for public evaluation, and they proved his claims are true. And what do you do?.. instead of making your product better, you make up lies on random forums.

Facts are easy to establish. You try so hard to discredit Hourmouzis, and only make yourself look desperate. All he needs to do to expose your scam is remind people your two best roulette computers are on every roulette forum for free, and people can test them and see for themselves they are a scam. Simple, isnt it?

Also make sure you are subscribed. A big mailout coming. Merry xmas.

Last I heard 25,000 mailout scheduled today. Next time will be whole list. Go on, please, one more tiny thing. Please.

wow did you see the counter at http://www.scribd.com/doc/114690720/Mark-H...e-Computer-SCAM ? only part of the list and some people havent even woken up yet

Mr Howe, I hope for your sake you learn to compete by creating a better product instead of lying about Hourmouzis. He doesnt seem to care about you or what you call roulette computers. Even your latest radical and mouth computers are junk. They are new computers you rushed to create because everyone can get your other computers for free. So you are protecting your scam. But your new ones are even worse than the free ones. Your new ones are like a thumper explained at http://www.roulettecomputers.com/markhowe.html

Anyway you shouldnt attack people that are in better position to do squashing.

Dont say you are just responding to Hourmouzis. He told you he wants nothing to do with you and you made up crazy lies because thats how you compete. Didnt he warn you to stop lying about him after he ignored you for about 6 months? Didnt he give you many chances to grow up?

I think his time for being nice passed though. So I'd really like you to breathe wrong again, even just a little. Even a post here. Anything. I know what is in store for you.