You claim you got paid on bio-oil. This has nothing to do with QCoopers. Remember? Hedgefund somehow buying overpriced insurance contracts from Quatro? Bio-oil is a different project/scam from Quatro. Maybe it is a Ponzi that wll pay small amounts of money at first to encourage ppl to invest more? Maybe you just say you got paid because you work for Quatro and endorse their scams for personal profit? Who knows.

Again you claim it is not a Ponzi and not a HYIP. But again you fail to give any facts along with your opinion. The QCoopers business plan only lasts a couple of month. Then people should already get their money (60'000 Euro). The business plan you are talking about has nothing to do with QCoopers.

@Contract is worth 250'000 Euro
Yes you told me that. But it is nonsense/lie. If it were true then tell me how Quatro can buy a contract worth 250'000 Euro for only 80'000 Euro? And why would Quatro sell it to a Hedge fund for only 150'000 Euro if it were worth much mor? You make no sense at all. It is becoming more and more obvious to all of us that you have no idea how the Quatro business plan actually works.


So again it is me who doesn't understand? It's all my fault I have questions you or Quatro can't answer? Do you realy understand how QCoopers works? If you do why don't you explain it to us? And if you don't understand it? Why are you endorsing a business plan you don't understand? What makes you belive Rhyker? Is it the money Quatro is paying you to convince/push us?


So you are saying that buying overpriced contracts from Quatro makes more sense when you buy 1000 overpriced contracts instead of only 1? Because Hedge fonds operate on a differnet level? Well... as long as Hedge funds don't operate in an entirely different universe this still makes absolutely no sense


You are right. I can't find anyting about this glorious project anywhere. But since you seem to know so much about it: Why don't you point us in the right direction? Give us a link to an independent website where we can read all about this new fuel? You could convince me so easily by just providing some small facts. But you fail. You only claim to know things. You dont provide anything we can check out for ourselfs. We just have to belive what you or Quatro say.


I know I can get a life insurance and sell it to who ever I want. That's nothing special. The question remains why someone like a hedgefund would pay me 150'000 Euro instead of its actual worth (80'000). That is still the question you fail to answer.


So you tell me that serious investors dont do DD at all? They just belive what ever Quatro is saying on their website? Are you kidding me? Seriously... this is ridiculous...


Why would I want to talk to people from Quatro if I want INDEPENDENT information about them? If they were scammers (which they are)... do you think they would tell me that on the phone? Seriously? Do you understand the concept of due diligence at all?


You still haven't provided any knowlege at all. Not a single fact. You have only shared your BELIVES in Quatro. Nothing I would based any informed decision on.


So how do you sugest I gather INDEPENDENT information about Quatro? Calling their headquaters? Just belive what they or you tell me? Seriously? You have no clue about DD at all have you?

So you are telling me that I should not be aware to whom I give my money because it's only 60 bucks? That is exactly why this scams are so successful. There are many many scams out there in the internet. What if I give them all 60 bucks? After all it's only 60 bucks right? No harm done? Yea... right...


So you finally admit you don't understand how Quatro makes 60'000 Euro out of thin air. That's what I thought. Of course that makes you wonder why anyone would want to invest money in something they don't understand. Something that never payed off for anyone. Something on which there is virtually no independent information available on the internet.

This post has been edited by SeriousJosh: Apr 21 2010, 06:51 AM

Since you can't counter my facts and arguments against Quatro with your own facts and arguments you now try to take this to the personal level? Nice try. I think most people following this thread realized by now that you don't have any answers to my questions. You simply don't know how Quatro will ever pay 60'000 Euros to its members/investors. You even admit that you work for the company yourself. So why would I belive a word you say about QCoopers? Of course you try to do anything possible to convince me and others that it is legit business. It is your job after all...

I on the other hand have no financial interest in this. My only motivation is to warn other potential investors about this scam. I don't want them to loose their money. That's all.

This post has been edited by SeriousJosh: Apr 21 2010, 06:26 AM

I'm sure that when you lay my story next to yours, your interesting interpretation doesn't stick. You make it up in your mind; I didn't admit to anything that you say I did. You're confusing it with your assumptions, and by saying it twice you make stuff your truth. You sir, accuse me of a lot of things ... talking about personal level.

If people do feel your logic is sound, then I feel sorry for all of you guys. It's like giving you a chain saw to cut down a tree. You don't have to use it, you can use an axe or your hands ... or let's talk to tree, maybe it falls down. Is going to take you a loonnnng time though. Some people grow in their journey called life, some people stay put forever. No right or wrong, if you're happy then it's fine, but don't educate the masses when you have no experience, no wisdom and no credibility ... or results in life. It shows and ain't pretty.

You might want to read the entire discussion starting from it's beginning (which would be page 3). I'm sure you have something useful to add again.

This post has been edited by Rhyker: Apr 21 2010, 08:22 AM

I presented hard facts that you can't find any response to. You can't explain how Quatro is generating 60'000 Euro for their "investors" out of thin air. I exposed the obvious flaws in their business plan. Everybody can see that it makes no sense at all.

But you simply keep telling us what everyone can read on Quatro's website. You can't explain anything. You just keep beating around the bush. Not presenting facts. Not presenting logical answers. If you try to answer my questions you make no sense at all. Pathetic.

Yes I think people who read this thread realized by now that QCoopers is a scam. And if they are not? Well. I can't save everyone right? In one or two years this thread will be in the inactive section just like the GPP thread. Maybe then they realize that they have been conned. Your credibility in this forum will be zero, but of course you can just register another account and start endorsing the next scam. That's how the business works right?

This post has been edited by SeriousJosh: Apr 21 2010, 08:43 AM

You cannot predict the future Josh. Are you man enough to admit you're wrong when they pay out though?

Ah another assumption. Look at my join date: 15 october 2007. Creating double accounts is against MMG regulations. You didn't read them, did you?

This post has been edited by Rhyker: Apr 21 2010, 08:51 AM

I would not have to admit to that if they pay out. If they pay out i would be proven wrong automatically. But they never will pay out of course and you Rhyker will be the one proven wrong by that fact. You will see :D

BTW: Scams/fraud like GPP, ImperiaInvest and QCoopers are against regulations too. Does that mean they dont happen/exist?

This post has been edited by SeriousJosh: Apr 21 2010, 08:57 AM

Nonono, that's not the point here. The point is are willing to admit then, that you've been wrong in this particular case. Don't turn around the matter again.

You clearly haven't read the whole threat. Murdering is forbidden by law as well, still happens .. regretfully. Again ... here we are ... it boils down to Due Diligence. Did you ever compare Imperia/GPP to Qcoopers? Oh no you didn't, you relied on forums and only see the similarities, but not the differences, thus it's the same thing to you. That's so short sighted..

Let's keep in touch

This post has been edited by Rhyker: Apr 21 2010, 09:09 AM

Of course. I will come back to this thread and admit that I was wrong when they pay out. Promise. But I will not have to since they will never pay out.

Haha... nice try... I only said that GPP, ImperiaInvest and QCoopers are all scams. That's as far as similarities go. I NEVER argued that QCoopers is a scam because it is similar to other known scams. So there is no need for me to compare them in any way.

Instead I presented two simple facts that clearly expose QCoopers as a scam:

1. The business plan obviously doesn't make any sense and nobody can tell me why it should work anyway.Why would a hedge fund just give 60'000 Euro to Quatro?

2. Quatro is a company who claims to be very successful. But there is abolutely zero (positive) independent information available in the entire internet. The only independent information you find is warnings about their projects/scams. (Bio-oil, e-banking, QCoopers...) Why is that? Why does nobody write anything positve about them if they are so big and successful (except for themselfes ofc)?

You still fail to give us convincing answers to these two questions/facts. And of course you will continue to fail because there is only one logical answer to both questions: QCoopers is a SCAM.

This post has been edited by SeriousJosh: Apr 21 2010, 09:37 AM

Cool, I respect that! Almost then cause you had to make up a clausule again. hahaha

Well at least it's not about Quatro anymore, but only between us 2 Don't see anyone else in this absurd discussion. Geez could be watching a movie now. oh well, this is entertaining and relaxing too.

You seem to live in parallel universe ... you already made your truth that all those 3 programs are scams. And you search for justification. I already proofed both your points wrong ... multiple times now. If it's not convincing to you ... okidoki. End of discussion then, but no this is going on:

1) assumption it's a scam
1) question built upon that assumption
2) answer with info where you can get the info ... to do research, to question the status quo, to get educated
3) refusal
4) calling it a scam
go back to 1; cycle.

What do you want me to do? Show you proof? It's not going to change your opinion, and even if did ... you said it yourself, you are not going to invest. So why do any thorough research in the first place? That's where you problem is.

Now my 'problem' is I refuse to give you any detailed information, cause you haven't done your homework, and then you accuse me again of not knowing. Cycle cycle cycle. Where are you from? Would be awesome to have a beer together.

Oh well. You know, most people don't register in a forum and participate in a discussion. They just get the infos they wanted and leave.


See Rhyker... You keep claiming that you answered my questions. In fact you didnt. You never answered a single question. You can't explain why there is no positive independent information in the internet. And you can't explain why a hedge fund would buy a contract for 150'000 Euro that Quatro just bought for 80'000 Euro. You simply fail. Again and again. Two simple and logical answers would satisfy me and most potential investors. But you fail...


Answer the questions?


You could try? What? Where did I say I'm not going to invest? If you can provide logical answers to my questions I will certainly invest. Who would not want 60'000 Euro in just a couple of month?


I did my homework Rhyker. I researched Quatro and QCoopers very thoroughly. I exposed the flaws in the business plan and you still refuse/are unable to give me answers. This is not a cycle Rhyker. It is over. You fail explaining QCoopers to your potential customers. As soon as they ask some critical questions you don't know what to say anymore. You hide behind "Terms & Conditions". You talk about your belives instead of facts.

Rhyker,usually you seem to be a lot nicer than that ...... Hmm.... What happened ? Lunch was too heavy and your digestion is having a hard time getting through? Why so nervous? Lol..... good point you made on "our" BS ( Belief Systems). Sure everybody got theirs, imcluding yourself, no? A lot of that apparently......
Josh may be new, but he sure seems to know very well what he's talking about. At least that's my impression.
Have a great day......See ya around, as usual, I guess.....

This post has been edited by umbertino49: Apr 21 2010, 10:19 AM

I'm not nervous Umbertino. I'm was just plain angry. When you have an opinion and you don't want to join? Then that's ok. When you then declare it as the only truth, and you are not open to dig deeper? ok fair enough.

But to declare you truth as the only truth and nothing but the truth and to start teasing for an explanation? That's childish. Now that doesn't piss me of. What does piss me is that people -- with all the best intentions in the world -- are spoiling it for everybody (not just here, but in other topics as well).

So a few posts back kinda accepted that fact. And it's ok now. Took me 4 years to get where I am today, cannot expect Josh to be where he is after a few hours. I do agree you 2 guys have a lot in common; same reasoning. This whole forum is a training ground for the real investments like Quatro.

So I'm not open to dig deeper? Please! I did dig deeper. And I came up with questions you can't answer. I don't claim to know the only truth. I just refuse to belive everything someone tells me without questioning it. Why is that wrong? That is called "due diligance"


Tell me please how we are spoiling anything for anyone? We are just warning people about obvious scams. If someone still wants to join your little scam they can still do that. This is a free World. And the ones who don't join and hence don't loose their money will certainly not be angry about that. Right?


You have 4 years of experiance with scams and you still fall for such an obvious one like Quatro/QCoopers? I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry that after 4 years you still get conned so easily:

"Hey! Give me 60 bucks now and I will give you 60'000 back in just a couple of month. Promise. 100% legit. We are the real deal."

Seriously? Come on...

This post has been edited by SeriousJosh: Apr 21 2010, 11:05 AM

No, it's your assumption I cannot answer them.

It's not the intention that's being questioned, it's the refusal to dig deeper when I give you the information to do the research, and come up with more intelligent questions.

It's accusations that I'm talking on behalf of Quatro corporate(?!), which is not the case, I'm sharing my own opinions. You want official answers? You won't get them on a forum, call corporate.

I'm a networker, I bring parties together. You want to talk the CEO or anyone in management? With that attitude? No way, not going to happen. We don't have time for people like yourself. You don't recognise there might be another way.

As I said before. You see a similarity with Imperia and GPP, and all alarm bells go off. I had that too when I first heard about it. However when you lay them side by side from an organisational point of view and you take the effort to read my previous posts, etc. You are not open to it, you are searching for excuses. You start sentences with scam and you end them by scam, and you call yourself interested? C'mon Josh.

€250k ... €250k ...€250k ... €250k ... €250k ... €250k ... that's the value. HAVE you read the terms & conditions or not? If no, then there's no common ground to go into anything. You seem to fail to recognise that over and over again. I'm talking about pears, you are talking about apples.

60 to get 60,000? Insane huh? :-) It's not an investment, but traded endowment policy. Have you read the stuff on wikipedia about that? Common sense.

Regarding Bio oil btw. When you search on BioFuel and KLM ... first 5 hits: NY Times, timesonline and KLM press articles. Last year at Direct Sales Dubai festival. Did you have a look at our teampage? Did you click through the QuatroWorldWide site? Including all sublinks? Did you pull up the chamber of commerce files? Paid them a visit? Got your questions answered?

It's not hard to find, but you are not looking AT ALL.

P.S. ... infact come to think of it. You see that banner in my signature? That's my blog. There's a LOT of stuff on there as well. But no you got your answers from a few people that did no research either (like yourself), you belief them for odd reasons. Who do you like to follow Josh? A millionair or a somebody that hasn't accomplished anything yet? I'm listening to people that make things happen, and would love to hook you up with them, so you can ask them, but not with the current attitude. As I said we have nothing to hide.

This post has been edited by Rhyker: Apr 21 2010, 11:59 AM

to add something cause I was reading your topics thoroughly as well ... and not being evasive about them, cause I answered most of your questions multiple times already. There's something called the "Terms & Conditions" of the QCoopers project. Every participant has to have read and agreed to them before you are able to participate. That specific document is basically the prospectus of Qcoopers. If you haven't read it, and you don't understand the project? Then that's where you answer is ...

What I'm 'hiding' behind is something called the Quatro Policies & Procedures. There are certain rules I cannot break, cause the penalty is simple; termination of membership. Just as there's termination of membership when you make a bad move here on MMG, or when you kill somebody (you get a trial and hopefully sentenced to jail). Being here and sharing my experiences with Quatro is already greyzone area. As QuatroWorldWide.com IMHO is new to internetmarketing. They are used to work with old skool relationship marketing. We attract the most succesful people on the planet (they use phones and not computers; that's something for their secretaries). Now I don't have solid proof for you on that ... again policies & procedures. What is possible though to rub shoulders with those people, OR ... I could ask them for their time, but again theirs is more precious then mine, they don't like to waste time to people that already made their decisions and are not open minded. Or need to be convinced into buying 1 Qcoopers, when they could be spend time with networkers.

I just can get incredibly upset (from passion, and a ton of bad investment experiences and being able to recognise the difference based on how we do research as a group these days) when there are just a handful solid things, but people refuse to see the facts, and instead spend their hard earned cash in scams or listen to sleezy conversations with people that communicate extremely good, but have nothing to show that proofs it's a real company you can call, email, visit to start with. IF only you had questions before you started to accuse it of being a scam, we could have had a really pleasant & normal conversation.

This post has been edited by Rhyker: Apr 21 2010, 12:35 PM