I have to admit, I would definitely like a few more updates on how things are progressing in regards to getting the funds trapped in PT's E-Gold account freed up. However, I do feel you are being a bit unfair in regards to your view on the act happening in the first place. I have been in over 400 programs to date and have seen countless times how easy it is to get a program's account blocked. In essence all you need to do is have you and a few of your friends make a complaint and bam! the account is blocked. It is far too easy for a person who is dissatisfied with the way a program is going to get anyone's account blocked and this should be taken into consideration before automatically assuming the admin is using it as an excuse to scam its members. Sure this has been an excuse made by plenty of piddly little scammers in the past but Jack has not disappeared and seems to be trying his best to make the best out of a pretty crappy situation. Lumping everyone that claims their account is blocked in the same category is irresponsible, imho. You need to look at the circumstances and what is being done about it before this assumption is made.

I think a mistake that Jack might have made was telling everyone that the E-Gold site was going to be up and running in "X" amount of days before having a firm plan in place, but this in no way means he is trying to scam us. The situation might have changed which prevented him from starting things when he originally planned to. To me, the only transgression on Jack's part pertaining to the E-Gold site is perhaps being a little short on the amount of information relayed to his members. But that isn't even close to enough to calling him a scammer at this point. I'm definitely no cheerleader for this or any other program, I just don't believe in crying scam as quick as most of the people you run across in this forum.

Just my two cents...

#6 Be nice. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, name-calling or foul language! If someone posts something you don't like, please don't flame them just because you don't like it or you don't agree with them. Everyone is entitled to state their opinion as long as MMG rules are followed.

This post has been edited by Dannyboy-online: Jun 13 2007, 03:04 PM

I agree that we will see the outcome of this very soon. And you are true about my post on 6/6 but things have changed since then. I simply don't like the way Jack treats his members now. It's not a right thing to do blaming members and e-gold for his failure. And more... all these constant changes, poor communication and uncertainty shaked my trust in Jack. There's still hope that he can make things back on track. But I really can't see his efforts to bring the sites online and more importantly PAY the members. I think it's just about playing the waiting game with members. There's a lot of time passed and still not real actions only promises.


A very good post, Joe! It's too early to call admin a scammer but according to his last post I must say that he's preparing the ground to even drop the very idea of running the site for e-gold members. His post sounds like he will do it only out of his kindness. And not taking the responsibility for e-gold issue it's not a right thing imho. All we need to do is what actions have been taken to free the funds from e-gold account. Do you believe it can take several weeks without any outcome? Has he even contacted e-gold? We don't know anything about it.

Finally a voice of reason... Thanks Money-news
I have or had $4,000 in here but who knows what will be the outcome or how long it will take or who will get even more PO'd off and loose there temper.

Without members you have nothing.

Good day!

1) False, this is my only id

2) False, i'm currently in 11 surf programs. Been in this for a few years now.

I need help in getting $30 bucks into my Alertpay account
anyone here who is willing to do an exchange i can send the money using CepTrust or egold.
This is use to buy the DebitCard from PT.

Thanks

Just PMed you and waiting for your answer.

I hope everyone is having a good week. I want to give everyone an update on Planet-Trust and TwilightADZ. We have started work on Planet-Trust and the final numbers are in to tell us the course of action we will have to take to put us back on target. As I have stated before, the damage to the system was a bit more than expected. I have worked the numbers to try and figure a system to get the program running again and to make sure everyone gets paid.

We have developed a low ROI model which we can run the system between 1-2% daily. We will have to start the system out fresh but we will be adding in your owed amounts into the system in another way. This will be different and more realistic than any refund/restart strategy ever used. I can tell you with the few options we have to get running again, this is the best route to go.

We will have to start the system out at lower percentage. This will fluctuate between 1 & 2% daily and still have the 50/50 rule in place. The system itself will start out fresh allowing you to purchase ad-packs and start with a clean system. We are in the process of adding in a second ad-pack which will be considered a “refund” ad-pack. This ad-pack will tell you what you are owed from the previous round. We will start off with those that are not in profit. Each time we receive a return from our investments, we will key in the dollar amount and evenly distribute it to the members owed. This amount will go directly into your cash balance available right away for withdraw. As it stands right now, we receive returns every 30, 60 & 90 days. This will enable us to work some new funds into the investments and allow you to get paid for new ad-packs and old at the same time. There will be no robbing peter to pay paul with a refund structure that pays people in full right from the door. This will only cause the system to go broke eventually.

With this option we also have a few other options here which would require the 50/50 rule on cashouts or only earning on your ad-packs Monday – Friday. Meaning that you would not have to surf on weekends (Saturday, Sunday). This will give us the time needed to gather the returns necessary for our strategy. As of right now, funds have been moved from MaximumSurfing and outside sources to pay off missed spends and help with refunding EGold members who spent on the last day the old account was open. We have currently refunded thousands of dollars and yet we have seen so few votes and posts. We are going to be moving Planet to the new script by next week. We are also going to add the debit card into this program. We would like to encourage those that have received missed spends and refunds to vote for us and post in the forums so that people know we are trying to get the job done. All subscription packages purchased for Planet will be lowered in price due to the drop in ROI. All current Ambassadors will drop down to $50 monthly and VIPs will drop down to $10 monthly. This is only temporary until we get moving again. If your package expires, you will not be able to renew. Your package will be resold. All packages sold, 30% of the funds taken in will go towards refunding members. This will leave us with 10% of funds from Maximumsurfing to keep the servers paid up to date and other costs.

I know EGold users are waiting for some news from me. Here is your update. I know you all are waiting for the EGold site. What you have to realize that is even with the amounts that are currently invested, we have to make returns in order to get the funds to begin opening and paying out. Things are not going as planned as we have been counting on the funds still in EGold to be released. I will open this opportunity for you. You are all welcome to participate in this system as well. We will also place your refund ad-pack in place so that you may earn in through time as everyone else. The choice of participation is yours. You can come in and start earning it back now or you can wait it out and when the smoke clears, we will resume as planned. In order to participate, you will need a FastMax debit card, Alertpay account or CEPTrust account.

I hope you all know that I did not intentionally put you on the back burner. We are trying to communicate with EGold on releasing the funds and finding what is needed to get them released. We are hoping to have this resolved before this turns into a legal matter. The reason updates with Egold have been slow is because there is really no update to give. I am not the type of person that is just going to feed you information just to keep you happy. If I don’t hear anything or get results, there is nothing to tell besides what we have said.

The same will become of TwilightADZ when we get the numbers back from the total audit as well. For an odd reason, there are more cheaters in the system in Twilight than in Planet. I want to let you know that I do not blame members for this and I also do not blame Rollersoft for the script. These sites have taken in a massive hit and the only thing we can do now is get them back on track. My Email sent out was not meant to point the finger at RollerSoft for a bad script. It was meant to let other admins know that are running the profit share edition of the problems within the script. The regular versions of Pats Pro are NOT affected by these problems. We are communicating with RollerSoft and they have given their word that these problems will be fixed for every release of the Pats Pro script. I have used Pats since MaximumADZ first opened a year ago. Pats is one of the best scripts out there on the market. In comparison with other scripts it is also the most secure.

I have promised you all in the past that you will not lose a cent in these programs and I will hold true to my word. I am giving you all the most realistic scenario in getting your money back into your pocket where it belongs. I have been working on these numbers for a long time and it is the best way to accomplish this while keeping the system stable. There will be no “refund list” as there has been in the past with other sites using incoming funds to pay off old members. Your funds will be in your back-office as a separate ad-pack in black & white. These ad-packs remind you, will only earn a return as we receive returns from our investments. This will also allow the life of the site to continue so you can all begin to earn profits again. I want to remind you that in the past when other systems that came out of profit-share to re-structure zero’d everyone out and started fresh. This will not be the case here. We will stay true to our word and bring you stable profits. From this point on, we will not launch anymore sites other than what we have now. We will also be running sites that only provide realistic profits and long term stability. I am not in this industry for spot light and I am not going to run away, we do not piggyback and yes we actually have income.

MaximumADZ will be launching for pre-launch tomorrow. We will only be accepting signups at this point and the system will officially launch on Monday. This will give you time to contact a leader via MaximumTalk.net and get trained to participate in this new system. MaxFast debit cards will be ready for use during launch. This program will be different than Planet-Trust and will also have the safety net and more security features installed. The only processors available will be MaxFast & AlertPay. Please take this time to contact a leader and get your processors ready! Spots in the program will be limited to 1000 members during the first month. Members are lining up to knock the door down so be sure to reserve your place. It is important that you contact a leader before entering. Please be sure to visit MaximumTalk.net. All leaders are in direct communications with me at all times. They will be more than happy to help you.

I will be in ASA forum and MaximumTalk all day to answer questions. We will get this show on the road once more and this time there is no stopping us.

Well, well redsnapper looks like you hit that little report button and got me a warning. I'm a big boy and can take it on the chin, good job the mods didn't look at the content of some of your posts.

You see, when I see people whining and moaning because things haven't gone their own way, and start accusing admins of all sorts of things, I have to speak especially when its someone like Jack who is trying to put things right. What was it in my posts that you didn't like that made you hit the button ?

You know if Jack decided to run a 1-2% program in the first place instead of having it basically a 100% ponzi, then we wouldn't be having the problems we are having now. The 12% a day was a mistake, impossible to maintain. But it does seem he is trying to make things right going by that update today and i do hope it succeeds for the members involved.

Hey bb, I think actually the members not in profit are getting the best deal here!
I made a profit of about 13 bucks and have lost the rest because I put it back in as active upgrades. I will probably only get the last one back, or 10% of the total.
Members not in profit will have their balance put back in as an active upgrade with no obligation to participate (upgrade) any further to receive their funds.
Jack just posted this today at ASA - amazing how people still say he does not communicate well - he is there every single day!!! And the updates are pretty clear too, check the one 3 posts up. If you feel there is something missing, just post at ASA and Jack will reply.

#469

If there wasnt nothing wrong with the flux of the money there shouldnt be a problem for EG to release those funds because there are not thiefs. You should let the things like this because there is the "big fish" not CEP or AP. Everyone has big EG amounts invested in PT and sounds like **** this with Eg blocked for?? for a ****? There are big money there man...

Waiting your coming updates

Can you please provide us some proof that e-gold really holds in our funds? Did you try to phone them? And what was the answer why haven't they unlocked the funds so far? I simply don't believe in this fairy-tale about e-gol not communicating with you. There MUST have been some reason for that. Could you please tell us what was the real reason of your issue with e-gold?

The only thing I can think of (and this is pure speculation on my part mind you) is that with the Government so far up e-gold's a$$ right now, I am sure they are not very forthcoming with phone calls, communications, or the releasing of any frozen funds.

I like to think (and hope) that right now they are focusing all their efforts into getting Omnipay Africa up and running...

That's actually a pretty good guess. I had been wondering myself why there wasn't more information forthcoming about the E-Gold situation than what we've received. I have been in plenty of programs that have had their E-Gold blocked and have always been kept up to date on the steps being taken to get it unlocked. First being contact, then they send you a form to fill out and send back to them and then the unlocking. It isn't a very speedy process but it still had steps which could be reported on. The only variable I see here is the upheaval that E-Gold is experiencing. I have to admit, I doubt that they are so busy that they wouldn't respond at all, but wouldn't be surprised if it is taking much longer than normal. I would be happy simply with an update on which step we are at and when subsequent steps are taken. Anybody with any experience in this industry can take that information and roughly gauge how much longer things should take. True, delays due to the overall E-Gold situation are purely speculative at this point but it is a definite possibility. I seriously doubt that E-Gold is going to refuse to unlock the funds at some point unless Jack was a terrorist or a kiddie smut peddler, neither of which are the case in my opinion.

I do have to respectfully disagree with Jack's opinion that if there is no new news on the situation then an update wouldn't be beneficial. Obviously not on a daily basis, but when the E-Gold site was going to be delayed as it was, letting us know that they were going to postpone its introduction and periodic updates on where things stood would have gone a long way towards easing people's worries that they were being passed over and forgotten. Not to mention it would have been easier to silence the idiots that seem to have nothing better to do than cry scam and sensationalize rather than provide something useful. I still can't stand people who insist on taking that route, but with more frequent updates it would have gone a long way towards dialing people like that down.

I still am of the opinion that this program is not dead and will continue to support Jack throughout, unless I receive something a lot more concrete that would make me think otherwise. I may not be completely thrilled with the situtation but b******g and moaning about it isn't going to do me any good.

Just my two cents...