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Perfect Money - Hidden Truth And Another Scam By Old Scammer
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post Jul 19 2008, 04:26 PM
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Perfect Money
The Hidden Truth


A new payment processor launched recently programmed by a single south asian programmer which I personally know.

There office address and Telephone numbers

World Trade Center Zurich
Leutschenbachstrasse 95
8050 Zurich, Switzerland

Following address belongs to a swiss incorporation company. This is quire clear that they are never operating from Switzerland. Keep reading…

Tel: +41 44 308 39 10

As provided in website forwards your phone calls in Russia. Which makes it quite clear that it is being operated from Russian. I found this in Money-News-Online blog in post sent by AlterGold by stander which indeed made it clear but I will continue from there. Who is behind this? Keep reading…

How do they afford such a system?

I don’t see any big site accepting perfect money just some new HYIP program trying to steal people’s money by any method by any mean necessary to them. We even tried to send a simple GET type DDoS attack to PerfectMoney and it was down for like 30-45 minutes then there “hosting provider” wake up and wrote a filter against our attack. (We did it after recent attacks [read below] on LR)

We certainly understood that they are indeed protected but such hosting and protection costs money while they are not charging any fee at all.

Where money came from?

When you do some research on above address they have provided. You will find one “old scam investment program” which certainly was huge one in its time. The name is “fidelity investment group” also known as “FIG”. They were enrolled with same incorporating company and If you keep past records then you will find several similarities in current PerfectMoney and previous FidelityInvestmentGroup cores.

Mr. Maurice (probably a fake name) but indeed from Russia is certainly behind another scam called PerfectMoney. How do I know this? My reporter got opportunity to host them. In start following program, FIG, was hosted by a provider which was later renamed to Katz global. Then they moved to Hosting2nv owned by an australian which was later taken over by LucidityHosting. My reporter was able to serve them somewhere in this travel.

Recent attacks on LibertyReserve

LibertyReserve was hosted with DragonAra after we faced problem at BlockDos back in May 2008. In July 2008, LibertyReserve problems started again. At the same company who was protecting PerfectMoney failed to protect the great of all time payment proessor. The LibertyReserve.

Only DDoS was not the issue. While at same host, Mr. DragonAra tried to screw LibertyReserve system with other methods too such as redirecting our traffic to fake website which caused several LR users to lose there passwords but indeed strong security at LibertyReserve controlled that situation.

Then a new phase of attacks started against LR in face of downtime. Our TCP routes were disabled first and it was made to look like a DDoS attack but when we decided to move to other provider instead of dealing with criminals, They then sent a real but yet huge DDoS attack in multi gbps velocity.

Bank Accounts

Same problem. There bank accounts are 100% anonymous just like every one knows that Switzerland banking laws are heaven for Smugglers, Criminals, Corrupt Politicians and now PerfectMoney which is certainly a perfect Scam.

Conclusion

Mr. Maurice (only name we know) is the biggest and yet experienced scammer and we certainly discourage people using them in any way unless people want to be scammed.

Liberty Reserve is sure a great payment processor serving since 2002 and it will be indeed back and it certainly has no alternative.
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are you the owner of liberty reserve ?

you seems very confident talking about this perfect money as a scam issue dry.gif


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How are you so condient with it that PM IS SCAM ? annoyed.gif
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post Jun 30 2009, 01:58 AM
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He must be an LR's paid poster. And now ECUmoney is doing the same thing against PM by spreading rumors about PM. In fact, ECUmoney is the one who is a scammer.

Read more about this article on ecommerce-journal.com complete with a false picture of a so-called 'ECUmoney office'.

ECUmoney – more and more suspicions and factors that they are scam!

What is EcuMoney? Who owns EcuMoney? As soon as this indiscernible payment system appeared these questions became very popular on all kinds of Internet forums. Firstly it was very difficult to find any information on Ecu, so the users had to risk their money to try this newbie on a payment processing market. Despite a dull and unattractive design of the site which was probably scaring the users ECUmoney has created a good image and reputation.

The Ecommerce Journal was also interested in that payment system and even wrote an article about it. However, later some strange things appeared that made us change our mind. A few months were enough to endanger the reputation of ECUmoney. People started mistrust this payment processor, questioning themselves whether it is secure to keep money with ECUmoney since it becomes dangerous. To clear the situation Ecommerce Journal tried to look at the things from its part to understand that dark horse we are dealing with and whether it is really dangerous to make the transactions with ECUmoney.

When just appeared in the beginning of the year ECUmoney has positioned itself as a private bank which was launched especially for ECUmoney. Among other online payment processors which were "just introduced" to make our transactions faster the statement of this payment gateway that it was run by a bank was something like a know-how that has immediately attracted the attention of the Internet community. However after the sad story of AlterGold which has proved that not only investment programs can scam but the payment processors as well people welcomed ECU with a grain of salt. Some people praised this solution calling it wise, others called it childish. Who knows how long that dispute could continue but the Reserve Bank on New Zealand decided to stop the war and to cross the t's. So, after some complains and queries they have issued the following statement (http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/nzbanks/):

Warning: "New Zealand offshore finance companies"



The Reserve Bank advises that caution should be exercised by anyone considering doing any form of business with entities that promote themselves as "New Zealand offshore finance companies", or use similar descriptions, and that offer financial services either on-line or from locations outside of New Zealand.



No such category of entity is recognised under New Zealand law. The entities involved are usually just registered in New Zealand as companies or limited partnerships, and they have no special status. These entities are not licensed or supervised as financial service providers by any New Zealand authority. They are required to register a New Zealand address, but this is usually that of a compliance agent, with the entities having no real physical presence in New Zealand. These entities are often directed or owned by persons who are not resident in New Zealand. Details about the directors and ownership of these entities can be obtained by searching the on-line database of the New Zealand Companies Office.



One of the users went even further and has contacted the representative of New Zealand Reserve Bank personally on EcuMoney. The answer couldn't be clearer (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r255860-.html):

Mr Butcher



The above company is not a registered bank in New Zealand. It is not licensed or supervised as a financial service provider by any New Zealand authority. Basic information about the company can be obtained from the database at:



www.companies.govt.nz/cms



The Reserve Bank has a warning on its website in relation to "offshore finance companies" at:



www.rbnz.govt.nz/nzbanks



Ken Matthews

Adviser

Reserve Bank on New Zealand

EcuMoney has reacted immediately. As soon as such information has appeared online they changed the information on their site (https://ecumoney.com/about.cgi?vs=eng) having replaced the former phrase: ECUmoney Limited is a New-Zealand Private International Bank registered on Sept 10th, 2008 under the reference number 2171140. to a similar one ECUmoney Limited is a New-Zealand International Financial Company registered on Sept 10th, 2008 under the reference number 2171140.



More over, they even changed the interview with the Russian web journal MoneyNews, having removed all the mentions of a private bank they were formerly proud with. But Google is a wise stuff and keeps the archives available. So, we still can see the previous version of the interview online:

n today's version of the interview we can see that the phrase ‘private bank' was replaced by ‘New Zealand financial company'. Having checked the Russian version of the interview we found that it remained unchanged (translated with translate.google.com):

DR: Does the bank in other activities not related to ECUmoney?



JD: The Bank has been specially recorded for ECUmoney, but later we plan to begin offering traditional banking services like loans, deposits and bank cards.

The translation is not an excellent one however the main idea is clear.

When this interview has just been published many people wondered why ECU decided to give an interview to a Russian blog but other one. The answer came a little bit later.

Everything began with a war EcuMoney started against the main payment processors operating on the market Liberty Reserve and Perfect Money. So, as soon as LibertyReserve was hacked many forums became flooded with the numerous posts like: "LR is dying, today I have withdrawn all my money to ECUmoney." A nice agitation, by the way, very challenging...

Later when the system itself has faced some technical problems they started to accuse Perfect Money of their problems complaining that they are the victims of DDoS attack started by their rival:

From ECU's official blog:

This electronic attack is the logical follow-up of a public attack launched against EcuMoney since a few weeks on some forum, clearly signed and organized by a competitor. Observers know that there are currently 3 e-currencies that Users may easily exchange together; one of them is under regular heavy DDOS attacks since a few months, today comes the turn of EcuMoney; the third one strangely never got attacked since it is on the market, and it is this one that attacked EcuMoney on public boards since a few weeks.

So, without naming any company ECU has clearly explained whom they suspect.

Later they went even further and started sending spam messages telling the truth of their competitors. Of course, there were no names of the authors but the way that spam was sent and the style spoke better than words.

From: <theperfectmoney.runaway3@gmail.com>
Date: 2009/6/21
Subject: Perfectmoney: Bankrupt, scam and DOS attacks against competitors!
To: XXXXXXX

We informed you some days ago about the real face of PERFECTMONEY: An international scam, organized around around a few sites (media, hosting, hyip, exchangers), run by international scammers based in Russia. Today the situation is clear: NOBODY wants Perfectmoney anymore. Most exchangers do not accept Perfectmoney now, or charge very high fees. It means that if you have, now, some Perfectmoney yet, try to exchange or sell it as soon as possible, even with a high rate, as it will be soon completely impossible! The last exchangers that accept Perfectmoney are waiting their payments since a few WEEKS now, and will more than probably completely stop accepting this dead e-currency very quickly.



Another address used by the spammers was perfectmoney.scam@gmail.com. As we can see the names of the e-mail addresses attack and accuse the system aiming at ruining the reputation of the system.



The letter itself is very aggressive and full of unpleasant dirt. Another thing is interesting here - where do they found the addresses to send those messages? Actually it would be too stupid for them to send those messages to their clientele base. So, for example, I haven't received any message from them to the e-mail I used to create an account with ECU. However, I have another e-mail which I use for exchange operations only and guess what....? Yes! I received that junk messages to that e-mail. Here the conclusion suggests itself: some exchanger is either in a close contact with ECUmoney or is run by this system itself. Unfortunately I cannot tell what exchanger it was since I used the services of several ones but anyway I'm afraid... I'm afraid that one day I will find my account emptied since when exchanging I provided sensitive information. So, considering the current situation it's worth reminding a known saying Of two evils choose the less. Here the less evil is that ECUmoney owns some exchanger and uses its database. But what if ECUmoney is just a partner of some of those exchangers? In that case one should be careful since if that exchanger sells its database to ECU they may sell it to any other service or person who aims at fast and easy money. Here comes the problem: how to find that unfair which violates its own rules and jeopardize the wealth of their clients?

Following this idea here we should mention "a kind of strange problem" that the ECUmoney users received spam messages from another service EcuLotto. Though the owners of ECUmoney deny their relation to EcuLotto nobody doubts the fact that both services are owned by the same people. Actually EcuLotto is a service functioning as an exchange service. A great idea by the way to combine investment project and exchange service to exchange e-currencies without registering as an exchanger. Just one fact. Having entered the rules we found the following: EcuLotto is a short for E-currency-Lotto; it means that we accept only e-currencies, currently Ecumoney and Libertyreserve. Some others may be added later, maybe.

But what about this message sent to all EcuLotto users:

Dear EcuLotto Player,



We gladly inform you that Libertyreserve is not anymore accepted on EcuLotto: We received an email today from Eric Paltz from Libertyreserve saying that they do not accept that we use other e-currencies than their, and that if so we have to stop using Libertyreserve.

Libertyreserve on EcuLotto, is about 30% of the games. 20% is Perfectmoney, 45% Ecumoney, and 5% Pecunix. We will for sure not accept suchj "dictatorship" of a MINOR player!



Moreover, Libertyreserve is currently under heavy investigation from various authorities after some of their Clients opened criminal cases for having been stolen very large amounts, and keeping any asset in LR is now becoming very hazardous.



That is why we decided to remove LR from our system, EcuLotto is a pure chance game, don't let the scam factor forge the statistic :-)

By the way the message followed the post on LibertyReserve blog which restricts users from using the LR to play EcuLotto.

Returning to spam messages and the situation on the market we can see that those junk letters did their dirty business and the exchange rate of Perfect Money went up. This issue was hotly discussed on the forums and some users were especially aggressive predicting a soon death of the payment gateway. And again we met the posts like "PM is dying, today I have withdrawn all my money to ECUmoney."

All the situation reminds the one we saw a year ago when somebody has created a fake message that e-gold went bankrupt. What is it a time-proved tactic? One more alarming thing is that ECUmoney pretends to be the system that came to replace e-gold... Coincidence?

Anyway, this war is very unfair and lacks a healthy competition. In this war suffer all: the attacked services, the attackers and the clients who lose their trust in fair market. One more alarming fact is that the same strategy was used by AlterGold we have mentioned above. They made people believe them by slinging dirt at their rivals and finally scammed the people.

Interesting fact ECUmoney prefer not to say anything about themselves. Pretending to be the New Zealanders they have a lot of links with Russia. One of the users started his own investigation and found that ECUmoney is owned by Alex Naumov, aka Jim from Intelsoft which was harshly attacking LR a few weeks ago. Here are some facts reveled:

The full information is available here: http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r260127-.html.

In section ‘About Us' we can see 2 different addresses of ECU. One of them is in New Zealand, another one is in Ireland. When asked about this strange fact they answered that the one in Irekland

Ok, may be they are write but what with another address in New Zealand? We have checked the address and found that such building exists indeed but... no ECU there!

In section About Us we can see 2 different addresses of ECU. One of them is in New Zealand, another one is in Ireland. When asked about this strange fact they answered that the one in Ireland was for convenience.

Ok, may be they are right but what about another address in New Zealand? We have checked the address and found that such building exists indeed but... no ECU there!

When having entered the building we also failed to find any traces of ECUmoney neither on the fifths flour nor in the whole building itself. May be for that reason ECUmoney uses a separate mail box to receive the letters from their users. Again the similar situation we faced with AlterGold...

So, what conclusions can be drawn from all that was mentioned above? Probably someone likes the system and enters ecumoney.com in an address line everyday hoping that the site is available and works fine. However following a common sense one should understand that risk in business in a good thing but this is not fair with a payment system you keep your money with.

Just think over that every dollar you earned gets into a pocket of people who have neither license to work with the finances, nor office to operate from, let alone the lack of a reputation owned by many payment systems.

We are sure that this article will hardly change anything in a virtual economy, ECUmoney will continue its operation however the experience we got with another payment systems shows that the payment systems like ECUmoney operate until the moment when they see a negative drop in their exchange rates. Actually after that any payment system without the reputation loses its liquidity and to compensate its losses it scams all its users by leaving an unavailable home page of their site. We witnessed this with AlterGold... The same misfortune overtook the users of Numox. Today the site is still available but it is useless sine nobody use the system nowadays. The devoted readers of the Ecommerce Journal remember that our journal warned them about all the dangers they face while using such payment systems. The market analysis shows that this group has obtain one more candidate and its name is ECUmoney. Be careful!

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post Jul 7 2009, 03:41 AM
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Dont make false accusation pls. Now I'm getting confused which e-bank to trust. For now, I'm using PM
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post Oct 25 2009, 10:33 PM
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Yes, Perfect Money DDoses LR, they spread bad rumors about LR and other competitors, they are originating from Russia.
Besides that, currently they secretly advice exchangers to stop outexchanging PM.
I encourage all people who knows anything about what PM is currently doing, to share their knowledge. It'll help to timely prevent Perfect Money from dissapearing with people's money.
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post Dec 29 2009, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE (liberalist2008 @ Jul 19 2008, 04:26 PM) *
Perfect Money
The Hidden Truth


A new payment processor launched recently programmed by a single south asian programmer which I personally know.

There office address and Telephone numbers

World Trade Center Zurich
Leutschenbachstrasse 95
8050 Zurich, Switzerland

Following address belongs to a swiss incorporation company. This is quire clear that they are never operating from Switzerland. Keep reading€

Tel: +41 44 308 39 10

As provided in website forwards your phone calls in Russia. Which makes it quite clear that it is being operated from Russian. I found this in Money-News-Online blog in post sent by AlterGold by stander which indeed made it clear but I will continue from there. Who is behind this? Keep reading€

How do they afford such a system?

I don€™t see any big site accepting perfect money just some new HYIP program trying to steal people€™s money by any method by any mean necessary to them. We even tried to send a simple GET type DDoS attack to PerfectMoney and it was down for like 30-45 minutes then there €œhosting provider€� wake up and wrote a filter against our attack. (We did it after recent attacks [read below] on LR)

We certainly understood that they are indeed protected but such hosting and protection costs money while they are not charging any fee at all.

Where money came from?

When you do some research on above address they have provided. You will find one €œold scam investment program€� which certainly was huge one in its time. The name is €œfidelity investment group€� also known as €œFIG€�. They were enrolled with same incorporating company and If you keep past records then you will find several similarities in current PerfectMoney and previous FidelityInvestmentGroup cores.

Mr. Maurice (probably a fake name) but indeed from Russia is certainly behind another scam called PerfectMoney. How do I know this? My reporter got opportunity to host them. In start following program, FIG, was hosted by a provider which was later renamed to Katz global. Then they moved to Hosting2nv owned by an australian which was later taken over by LucidityHosting. My reporter was able to serve them somewhere in this travel.

Recent attacks on LibertyReserve

LibertyReserve was hosted with DragonAra after we faced problem at BlockDos back in May 2008. In July 2008, LibertyReserve problems started again. At the same company who was protecting PerfectMoney failed to protect the great of all time payment proessor. The LibertyReserve.

Only DDoS was not the issue. While at same host, Mr. DragonAra tried to screw LibertyReserve system with other methods too such as redirecting our traffic to fake website which caused several LR users to lose there passwords but indeed strong security at LibertyReserve controlled that situation.

Then a new phase of attacks started against LR in face of downtime. Our TCP routes were disabled first and it was made to look like a DDoS attack but when we decided to move to other provider instead of dealing with criminals, They then sent a real but yet huge DDoS attack in multi gbps velocity.

Bank Accounts

Same problem. There bank accounts are 100% anonymous just like every one knows that Switzerland banking laws are heaven for Smugglers, Criminals, Corrupt Politicians and now PerfectMoney which is certainly a perfect Scam.

Conclusion

Mr. Maurice (only name we know) is the biggest and yet experienced scammer and we certainly discourage people using them in any way unless people want to be scammed.

Liberty Reserve is sure a great payment processor serving since 2002 and it will be indeed back and it certainly has no alternative.


Wow!wow! Are you hacker or something! You are a genius.


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they are now 3 years online with very good support.


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QUOTE (liberalist2008 @ Jul 19 2008, 05:26 PM) *
Perfect Money
The Hidden Truth


A new payment processor launched recently programmed by a single south asian programmer which I personally know.

There office address and Telephone numbers

World Trade Center Zurich
Leutschenbachstrasse 95
8050 Zurich, Switzerland

Following address belongs to a swiss incorporation company. This is quire clear that they are never operating from Switzerland. Keep reading…

Tel: +41 44 308 39 10

As provided in website forwards your phone calls in Russia. Which makes it quite clear that it is being operated from Russian. I found this in Money-News-Online blog in post sent by AlterGold by stander which indeed made it clear but I will continue from there. Who is behind this? Keep reading…

How do they afford such a system?

I don’t see any big site accepting perfect money just some new HYIP program trying to steal people’s money by any method by any mean necessary to them. We even tried to send a simple GET type DDoS attack to PerfectMoney and it was down for like 30-45 minutes then there “hosting provider” wake up and wrote a filter against our attack. (We did it after recent attacks [read below] on LR)

We certainly understood that they are indeed protected but such hosting and protection costs money while they are not charging any fee at all.

Where money came from?

When you do some research on above address they have provided. You will find one “old scam investment program” which certainly was huge one in its time. The name is “fidelity investment group” also known as “FIG”. They were enrolled with same incorporating company and If you keep past records then you will find several similarities in current PerfectMoney and previous FidelityInvestmentGroup cores.

Mr. Maurice (probably a fake name) but indeed from Russia is certainly behind another scam called PerfectMoney. How do I know this? My reporter got opportunity to host them. In start following program, FIG, was hosted by a provider which was later renamed to Katz global. Then they moved to Hosting2nv owned by an australian which was later taken over by LucidityHosting. My reporter was able to serve them somewhere in this travel.

Recent attacks on LibertyReserve

LibertyReserve was hosted with DragonAra after we faced problem at BlockDos back in May 2008. In July 2008, LibertyReserve problems started again. At the same company who was protecting PerfectMoney failed to protect the great of all time payment proessor. The LibertyReserve.

Only DDoS was not the issue. While at same host, Mr. DragonAra tried to screw LibertyReserve system with other methods too such as redirecting our traffic to fake website which caused several LR users to lose there passwords but indeed strong security at LibertyReserve controlled that situation.

Then a new phase of attacks started against LR in face of downtime. Our TCP routes were disabled first and it was made to look like a DDoS attack but when we decided to move to other provider instead of dealing with criminals, They then sent a real but yet huge DDoS attack in multi gbps velocity.

Bank Accounts

Same problem. There bank accounts are 100% anonymous just like every one knows that Switzerland banking laws are heaven for Smugglers, Criminals, Corrupt Politicians and now PerfectMoney which is certainly a perfect Scam.

Conclusion

Mr. Maurice (only name we know) is the biggest and yet experienced scammer and we certainly discourage people using them in any way unless people want to be scammed.

Liberty Reserve is sure a great payment processor serving since 2002 and it will be indeed back and it certainly has no alternative.

in my opinion they are both scammers


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