Wow, you are so full of yourself.
On the contrary you naysayers are not stopping people from joining but I really don't care. I don't care if no one ever joins P2P, it will still keep going and I will still keep making money. I have said before I am not trying to recruit anyone and I don't have one referral under me. There are about 8,000 members that are satisfied with P2P and there is nothing you can say that will change that.
Don't worry about where Nick is. Your not a member so it is not your concern. Enjoy your trolling



Your free to go and ask your question at the members private forum, why can't you understand this?
Oh wait your not a member! You won't be a member, so why would anyone care what your question is?


Because why again? what exactly do you gain by the program shutting down and all your friends and family losing their money? Why do you want this to fail so bad. Can you just not stand it that people are making good money and changing their lives for the good? What exactly is your vendetta against Nick and all you so called friends and family that are involved. Your not as stupid as your post make you look, but I just can't understand why you are wasting so much time and energy on this.

Wasylbrytan, this is more supposition on your part, i.e. hearsay. Unless it can be independently verified, no one knows if it's true.

As has been stated many times, the cheerleaders cannot handle the truth because it makes the program look suspect and makes them uncomfortable. That's human nature and personal choice.

Please do us all a favor and do not state opinion as fact.

Mark


Actually, Vinman, I listen to him. In fact, it would appear you cheerleaders are a bit outnumbered here but who's counting.

I listen to cvkint because his posts make sense. Yours do not. Simple.

By the way, you keep saying "I'm getting paid". I'm curious, how long has it been since the last one?

Mark

facts and the truth, you want? P2P is still running strong and it is still paying. Nothing you say can prove other wise





Oh big surprise, someone that is pissed because he gave up his membership in P2P is listening to cvkint. Big deal mark. Listen to him all you want, it won't change the fact that you are no longer a member and can't make any money in this program. The puppet master speaks, you the puppet listens, and nothing changes anywhere in the universe.

I have been paid in order with everyone else as my turn comes up. No special favors for me if that is what you are implying.

And no the supporters are not out numbered, most realize it is pointless to argue with ignorance. I am like wasy, its fun entertainment watching the trolls go on and on with nonsense and gaining nothing for the effort.
Really make no difference if there is 1 naysayer or 20 its all in good fun for me.

This post has been edited by vinman: Sep 12 2008, 10:27 AM

Speaking of posts which make a lot of sense, I know someone who was in profit and being paid but suddenly decided to give up a promising income just so he could have the privilege of badmouthing Nick. These are the kinds of "sensible" people who outnumber the cheerleasers, the kinds of people who make this forum so entertaining.

This post has been edited by WASYLBRYTAN: Sep 12 2008, 10:34 AM

Apparently you know me better than I know myself! I am no longer a member by choice and there is no puppet master.

I was also not implying that you receive any special favors but was hoping you'd admit that you have no idea when to expect your next payout. After all, P2P is a legitimate investment program, correct?

We keep throwing fact after fact at the cheerleaders--facts that are never acknowledged. That means the cheerleaders are blind. There is an old Bible saying that if the blind leads the blind, they both fall in the ditch.

You are correct that most of what comes from you and Wasy is nonsense but I am not here for entertainment. As long as this thread lives and a number of people are spared losing all of their money, then the Romper Room nonsense would have been worth it.

When we first "met" here, I had some measure of respect for you. That has all been lost due to your ramblings. If and when you are willing to accept facts, then maybe we can have a productive conversation. I'm not holding my breath.

Mark



Please show me where I "badmouthed" Nick. Actually don't bother because you can't.

For the 99th time, I agreed to have my account canceled in order to get my money out of a program that I believe is a Ponzi. Even if I were still a member, I would not hesitate to state how I feel. If Nick must threaten members who speak out, then there is something seriously wrong with the program. But we clear-minded folk already know that.

By the way, my account is still active in my back office and I am due a payout from 06/27. I'd be happy to post a screen shot if someone could tell me how to do it. You know--PROOF!

Just as with Vinman, when and if you can accept facts, I'd be happy to debate you. Otherwise, it's a waste of time and bandwidth.

Mark

You replies are getting as silly as your puppet masters.
I said the naysayers are full of nonsense. I fail to see any facts you are throwing. I keep seeing lies, deception, assumptions, and pure speculation. When you have any facts I will listen but so far the only facts are that P2P is still running and still paying.
I know exactly when to expect my next payout. I will receive it after I request it, when my turn comes.

I have a saying to about blind people. A blind man that carries and stick will avoid the ditch and so will his followers. But if you want bible sayings "God helps those who help themselves"

When we first met in here I gave you a measure of respect by answering your questions and giving you logical common sense answers. But that has all been lost due to you following your puppet master instead of showing any common sense yourself. I don't need your respect if you can't see the truth right in front of you and you want to blame me for it. Pitty tho, I could have saved you the heart ache of losing money by not being a member anymore. I do accept the facts and I have stated them many times, unfortunately you still cannot come in with any productive conversation.



Lets see it could when you called nick a thief, or was it when you called him a liar, or maybe the time you called him a scammer!

We all know your story. Fact: You claim after you make a profit that it is a ponzi. So you decide to cancel your member ship and are told because you are in profit you don't get a refund because you have already received your money back.
What happens next: You throw a temper tantrum and call nick a thief because you think he still owes you $500. Which by the way from your claim of it being a ponzi, would mean you are wanting to get paid someone elses money. Sounds like you should be calling yourself a thief. It has been explained to you over and over but you still think your owed money. Because of that you want to whine and complain that nick is a scammer. After I said I didn't feel sorry for you, you then declare that you don't respect me anymore.
You talk about common sense as if you and your puppet master are the only ones that have it but, as Wasy pointed out, you were getting paid from p2p and you were in profit. It just isn't common sense to cancel your membership at that time and whine like a little girl.

Nick doesn't threaten members who speak out against him. He gives us a choice invest with him and trust him or get out. You have no business being in the program if your going to bad mouth him. Complete common sense to me. but we clear minded folk can see the reason in it

For the 99th time, I AGREED to have my account canceled in order to get my money out of a program that I BELIEVE is a Ponzi. Even if I were still a member, I would not hesitate to state how I FEEL. If Nick MUST THREATEN members who speak out, then THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH THE PROGRAM. But we clear-minded folk already FEEL that. Please do us all a favor and do not state OPINION as fact. QUOTE

This post has been edited by WASYLBRYTAN: Sep 12 2008, 03:59 PM

As one would expect from cheerleaders of a failing Ponzi not a fact in sight about anything, more ramblings put out simply to try to hide the FACT that this program is currently under investigation by the US Gov't FACT not opinion...you will note how the cheerleaders continue to make personal attacks and are unwilling (haha unable) to offer any facts as there are none regarding this mess...now they are back resorting to lies, oh this is a private program haha.. I just signed up for a new account half an hour ago.... no referrer no nothing..wow that was really private...

How many days behind in payments now, 75? I guess if June can be finished before we hit mid September that will be reason to sing from the mountain tops...

You really have to question a person that would invest any amount of money with the mystery man Nick without having a single clue where that money is and what its being used for, them to compound the issue they blindly come in here and try defend him by lying and avoiding every single fact posted...

FOOTNOTE to Vinman and ways, good lord I couldn't care less what you think about me or my motives.. and I do feel sorry for you if your posts take away from your otherwise busy life...time hahaha, yeah it takes me a good five minutes a day to counter the nonsense posted in here.. I'll survive..



Mark, don't waste your breath.... they are simply here to post drivel to try to bury the facts that are posted.. that is their ONLY goal. They have both stated many times they are not here for referrals and it's obvious to anyone reading they don't have a fact to post between them and you will note whenever a post is filled with gov't website facts or contact numbers etc..etc.. they then post pages of nonsense the main goal to make sure anyone new coming to the thread only sees their insane cheerleading.. let them live in their little world where a program paying over 70 days late is going strong haha.. where their leader is in hiding and running from the SEC's investigation..and where the Energy Bank first promised in APRIL 2007 is just another part of the end game to keep numbers on a screen...contrary to what they will try to make you believe this scam is no different than many many others they all run through the same excuses make the same promises and always end up in the same place, just as this one will.

As said in another forum are people here really so uninformed that they think the ND SEC opened an investigation of Nick and P2P issued a public warning then just filed the paperwork? You can be very sure they have contacted every other state and federal SEC, the RCMP, INTERPOL, etc..etc.. any agency that is on their broadcast list... it shouldn't be too long now of course we all know the speed in which gov't work but you can be quite sure the powers that be have had moles in this one for a long long time...it will be amusing if nothing else watching how fast all the cheerleaders vanish or move on to the next latest greatest world's most honestly run never seen before scam.... they are a dime a dozen and kudo's to Nick for making this one drag out as long as it has...

This post has been edited by cvkint: Sep 12 2008, 04:26 PM

Vinman you have a really bad habit of saying things that simply are not true. I challenged wasy and now you to PROVE that I name-called Nick. First, if I had, I'm pretty sure I would have received a warning or two. That has not happened.

Second, the proof is in my posts and I have read them all. Have you? This is exactly what I said IN CONTEXT:


I stand by this statement. Regarding calling him a liar or a scammer, you have no proof because there is none.



According to the TOS, yes he does. Read it lately?

I stated earlier that my account is still OPEN and has not been CANCELED. The FACT is that I requested a refund and was TOLD here in this forum that I had made "enough" and would receive nothing further. I have NEVER been notified by email or by any other means that my account has been canceled. These are facts but I know you don't like or accept the truth unless it benefits you.

Therefore, my account was NOT canceled due to me bad mouthing P2P or anyone associated with it. All along I have been expressing my opinion. The TOS is ambiguous and has gray areas subject to interpretation. At this point, I have accepted the fact that I will not see another penny from P2P. That does not change the fact that they have violated their own TOS.

I will continue to match your false accusations with truth and facts so that others who read these posts can see you for who and what you really are.

Mark

marsh56,

I don't think they cancel accounts they are either "active", "pending", or "suspended". Don't quote me on that might be wrong. Can you do anything in your account?

This post has been edited by surfbandit: Sep 12 2008, 08:02 PM

Thanks for asking. My account shows as "active" and I can do everything I could before. That is exactly my point. To date, my account has NOT been suspended in spite of what the cheerleaders here put forth.

According to my back office, I am owed a payout since 06/27. I agreed to cancel my account and requested a refund. That is when I was notified by Chris via Tappin here at MMG by PM that since I had already received more than I had put in, there would be no refund.

I was NEVER notified internally that my account had been canceled.

The point of all of this is that my circumstance shows that P2P is anything but professional or a real business. More than two months later, my account is active. In the end, all they did was give me back my initial deposit of $500 plus $100, a 20% return over a 3 month period. Whether or not this is within their TOS is debatable and I don't care to argue with anyone here about it. Those are the facts.

The claim that I was "booted" by P2P because I "badmouthed" them is totally false. End of discussion.

Thanks again for being kind enough to ask.

Mark

I don't see the problem, You agreed to cancel your account you got your initial lost no money and notes were probably put on your account pertaining to your action. Move on you made that choice what's your complaint now? If you wanted what was pending you should have never agreed to cancel your account you made that choice so don't blame anyone but yourself.

Another guy that just doesn't get it! I thought you were trying to be helpful. Apparently not.

First, I have moved on--a long time ago. I am also not complaining, just stating facts. Sorry you can't accept that.

Any REAL INVESTMENT would return all that was OWED if an account was canceled. Prove that otherwise. That's how it works in the real world. Let's say you had an investment of $1000 with Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway that guaranteed 60% per month and you were paid for 2 months. How much would you receive? That's right, $1200 or 120%. Then if you canceled your account at the end of the 3rd month, how much would you get? That's right, $1600 for a total of $2800 including return of principal.

No LEGAL investment can have a TOS or clause that states "if you cancel and have already received more than your initial deposit, that's all you get"! See how silly that sounds, besides being illegal. The fact that P2P pays a fixed amount implies a guarantee whether it is stated or not. The guarantee obligates them to pay the return PLUS a return of principal when requested. All of the funky wording in the world cannot hide or change that fact.

This is one big reason why they are being investigated, i.e. because they guarantee a FIXED return.

I am a person of principle and could care less about the money. Principles are worth far more than any amount of money. I am here to warn and educate others and to make sure they understand that P2P is NOT a real investment and that they need to understand the TOS in advance of putting in their hard-earned money.

Mark

Congrats to all the members who got paid out for June, now July payouts start!!!

I want to thank the mods here at MMG for allowing both sides to state their thoughts about P2P.

I suggest if anyone is ever feeling down or having a bad day, just come here and read through a few posts...it will always bring a smile to your face.

Ahhhh Grasshopper I have taught you well, logic and rational thought.. very nice to see in this thread I see all my string pulling was not in vain.. hahaha... when you consider the way in which we first met and the "discussions" we've had over the last year it's really really funny that anybody would be dopey enough to claim that you were simply parroting me.. I guess when the cheerleaders get really desperate they will stoop to any level.. no matter how low...

You are quite right Mark your example above makes it crystal clear for anyone with their eyes open and a functioning brain... P2P is a joke and has never been legit... the really funny part is when this one comes crashing down some of the cheerleaders will simply not be able to accept it, some will claim the admin is going to fight the gov't and any day now they will be back stronger than ever and then there are the really lost causes the will say big brother stopped the program because too many little guys were getting ahead.. then when the court docs come out and show it was a ponzi right from the start they will say it's a cover up hehehe.. if nothing else you have to admire their ability to suspend reality