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Rhyker
post Sep 10 2008, 07:57 AM
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I'm not affiliated with this program, but the claims of any government organ on why something would be a ponzi, is always very overrated. Amway in that same context would be called a pyramid. Or .. a succesful businessman making let's say $10000 profit a month must be doing something illegal or make money over the backs from other people. Sigh ... herde behaviour.



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post Sep 10 2008, 07:58 AM
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QUOTE (EBK @ Sep 10 2008, 10:47 AM) *
Do p-2-p fill these two requirements to be considered a private imvestment opportunity ?

No, of course

http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/invclub.htm

Fine then don't join. the rest of us will continue to get paid. end of problem, thank you


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post Sep 10 2008, 08:31 AM
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QUOTE (vinman @ Sep 10 2008, 05:58 PM) *
Fine then don't join. the rest of us will continue to get paid. end of problem, thank you



How you could be so blind?


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post Sep 10 2008, 08:42 AM
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QUOTE (cvkint @ Sep 9 2008, 08:13 PM) *
*EDIT* Mark, don't waste your time with the troll brothers, nothing they say makes any sense and their sole purpose is to bog down the forum with nonsense so the facts about P2P are hidden from those looking...


Yes, remember Mark, MMG is a swamp which only tolerates negative nonsense posts about P2P. Anyone with any positive facts to offer is labelled a TROLL and called all kinds of names. When positive posters try to reply we receive warnings from MMG for interfering with their advertising revenue from Ponzis. This forum is good for nothing except entertainment; if you really want to discuss a legitimate program such as P2P, you should try one of the uncensored forums.


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How you could be so blind?


He can afford some mighty fine guide dogs with the fortune he is making from this legitimate program. How are your ponzis doing? Is MMG doing well with the advertising revenue? I'm afraid you cannot silence us positive posters by calling us blind.
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post Sep 10 2008, 09:16 AM
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QUOTE (EBK @ Sep 10 2008, 11:31 AM) *
How you could be so blind?

HUH? I am making money from one of the best programs that has ever been offered on the net. I would ask the same question to you for your opposing view. People are making money, no one has been skipped over or missed, how can you be so blind?


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QUOTE (Rhyker @ Sep 10 2008, 08:57 AM) *
I'm not affiliated with this program, but the claims of any government organ on why something would be a ponzi, is always very overrated. Amway in that same context would be called a pyramid. Or .. a succesful businessman making let's say $10000 profit a month must be doing something illegal or make money over the backs from other people. Sigh ... herde behaviour.


This sounds like an intelligent post. The government cannot possibly evaluate a program based on subjective lies they are given by the likes of DRILLBIT, PN and CVKINT. SEC is intended to prevent innocent people from losing money on fraudulent sales of securities. Noone has ever lost any money with P2P.
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post Sep 10 2008, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE (EBK @ Sep 10 2008, 11:31 AM) *
How you could be so blind?


Must be the shades!
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post Sep 10 2008, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE (WASYLBRYTAN @ Sep 10 2008, 11:42 PM) *
Yes, remember Mark, MMG is a swamp which only tolerates negative nonsense posts about P2P. Anyone with any positive facts to offer is labelled a TROLL and called all kinds of names.


Therein lay the problem, you have NO facts... saying I got paid does not prove a program is real or legit.. only that you got paid. Show how this program is legal? You can't.. show there are outside sources of income? You can't... the fact of the matter is you have NOTHING where as the "naysayers" have reams of outside agencies that have warned the public off about this obviously illegal program.. sorry if you don't like it but we must live within the law of the land.. until it's changed illegal ponzi's like P2P will always be shut down.. well of course now that it's limping along at 73 days behind in payments it's doing just fine on it's own.. the end game is right around the corner, kudo's to Nick for his first effort as a scam artist... he played it like a pro...

For anyone lurking, please by all means spend your own time and look back over the last few pages and show me ONE fact that Vinman or Wayslan (sp?) have posted? Yes I know you can't find one.. there aren't any.. let's see proof of ANYTHING ever stated in this mess of a ponzi... they can't.... that speaks volumes... and says all that needs to be said about their reasons for being here.

QUOTE (Rhyker @ Sep 10 2008, 10:57 PM) *
I'm not affiliated with this program, but the claims of any government organ on why something would be a ponzi, is always very overrated. Amway in that same context would be called a pyramid. Or .. a succesful businessman making let's say $10000 profit a month must be doing something illegal or make money over the backs from other people. Sigh ... herde behaviour.


Nice try with the redirection, but the law is the law... if a company is NOT registered to sell securities that makes their offering illegal. Amway is a registered business and whether people like the MLM method of selling products is up to them.. P2P is NOT a registered company for the sale of investments.. and according to the law that is what they are doing... as with all cheerleaders your logic doesn't add up. The laws are quite clear if Nick and P2P are not doing anything wrong why in the world would a multi millionaire like Nick not just simply fill out the docs to register his offering? DUH! because he can't there is no offering it's a money game.. why in the world do you think they are 73 days behind in payments????

QUOTE (EBK @ Sep 10 2008, 10:47 PM) *
Do p-2-p fill these two requirements to be considered a private imvestment opportunity ?

No, of course

http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/invclub.htm


Of course they don't meet that guide but you will see that the cheerleaders don't care.. facts are something they are very uncomfortable with. .no matter what you post and where it's referenced they just claim it's all made up, even though they are clearly outside links and references.. they only believe what they want to believe and as long as they don't educate themselves with the facts the can continue to play dumb.

You simply have to look over the last few pages, direct links to the SEC, reference made to contacting various banks and gov't agencies...my suggestion EBK (take it for it's worth) is to not engage the trolls simply respond with factual information as you have done here in your post and let those that care about being in a legal program run with it.. it's obvious the troll brothers are just trying to get the facts buried so that nobody will see them that explains their continued either off topic or back slapping posts that have ZERO in the way of information or facts regarding this ILLEGAL PONZI called P2P



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post Sep 10 2008, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE (cvkint @ Sep 10 2008, 05:49 PM) *
Therein lay the problem, you have NO facts... saying I got paid does not prove a program is real or legit.. only that you got paid. Show how this program is legal? You can't.. show there are outside sources of income? You can't... the fact of the matter is you have NOTHING where as the "naysayers" have reams of outside agencies that have warned the public off about this obviously illegal program.. sorry if you don't like it but we must live within the law of the land.. until it's changed illegal ponzi's like P2P will always be shut down.. well of course now that it's limping along at 73 days behind in payments it's doing just fine on it's own.. the end game is right around the corner, kudo's to Nick for his first effort as a scam artist... he played it like a pro...

For anyone lurking, please by all means spend your own time and look back over the last few pages and show me ONE fact that Vinman or Wayslan (sp?) have posted? Yes I know you can't find one.. there aren't any.. let's see proof of ANYTHING ever stated in this mess of a ponzi... they can't.... that speaks volumes... and says all that needs to be said about their reasons for being here.



Nice try with the redirection, but the law is the law... if a company is NOT registered to sell securities that makes their offering illegal. Amway is a registered business and whether people like the MLM method of selling products is up to them.. P2P is NOT a registered company for the sale of investments.. and according to the law that is what they are doing... as with all cheerleaders your logic doesn't add up. The laws are quite clear if Nick and P2P are not doing anything wrong why in the world would a multi millionaire like Nick not just simply fill out the docs to register his offering? DUH! because he can't there is no offering it's a money game.. why in the world do you think they are 73 days behind in payments????


You are right, there is much information I can't supply because I am not the one running the program. By the same token, you have no way of knowing where Nick is registered and under what names. You are also not aware of all the legal definitions and what loopholes may exist. You also need to realize that these registration laws were enacted to protect the public from investing in Ponzis and other illegal scams. Nick, by his own admission has been investigated many times and he was undoubtedly left alone because it was determined that noone had lost money in this program. You are entitled to your assumptions as am I but let's try not to make anASS out of U and ME.

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post Sep 10 2008, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE (vinman @ Sep 10 2008, 10:45 PM) *
And this must all be the truth because cvkint says it is
hahahahahahahahahahahaha


So good to see my favorite little troll back on the scene proof??? I don't believe you even know the meaning of the word...

Ok we have already seen the link that shows that PRIVATE investments "can" be exempt from registration if they are offered ONLY to accredited investors... or do you need to see that one again?? if so just ask... what is such an investor? Not because I said so sparky but because the SEC said so..

http://www.sec.gov/answers/accred.htm please note the sections I've pasted below.

a natural person who has individual net worth, or joint net worth with the person’s spouse, that exceeds $1 million at the time of the purchase;

a natural person with income exceeding $200,000 in each of the two most recent years or joint income with a spouse exceeding $300,000 for those years and a reasonable expectation of the same income level in the current year; or

Hmmmmmm sure looks like P2P is breaking the law there... or are those NOT facts enough for you???

As for the so called super secret bank accounts that poster spoke of and you claimed it must be true what I said because I said it.. how about this??

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/FedCrimes/Sto...7897&page=1

read the whole story and then reference the court documents... Swiss Bank accounts mean nothing anymore... nor does any other account in any other real bank anywhere in the world... I know I know facts again sorry to get those pesky little facts in the way of your rants...



QUOTE (WASYLBRYTAN @ Sep 11 2008, 08:09 AM) *
You are right, there is much information I can't supply because I am not the one running the program. By the same token, you have no way of knowing where Nick is registered and under what names. You are also not aware of all the legal definitions and what loopholes may exist. You also need to realize that these registration laws were enacted to protect the public from investing in Ponzis and other illegal scams. Nick, by his own admission has been investigated many times and he was undoubtedly left alone after it was determined that noone had lost money in this program. You are entitled to your assumptions as am I but let's try not to make anASS out of U and ME.


You simply dont' get it and you never will that is fine. Nick has NEVER been investigated and cleared of any wrong doing if he was there would be public records.. there are NONE. Don't you even question why if that is true he wouldn't be letting people see those records to silence the critics? It makes no sense and there are no records available under the US or Canadian FOI act that shows Nick or P2P has ever been investigated and cleared of anything... sorry my friend but I am not making assumptions...

For P2P to be registered in the US it MUST be registered under the name he doing business as or his real personal name.. again this is factual LAW.. .he can't register a company name then try to register an investment under another name it's not allowed.. a simple search of the SEC site will prove that FACT to you.

You continue to ASSUME then paint me with your brush.. NO assumptions I am dealing with FACTS.. the links have been posted.. Nick is breaking the US and Canadian security laws. P2P in all it's forms is not registered do a search on the SEC site where you see the listing of registered securities.. it MUST be under that name in order to be legal...

I admire your faith I really do even though it's blind faith.. I just feel for ya when this one finally folds too.. not because you will lose money I gather you are in the black on this one, but simply because you are trying to so hard to counter facts with opinion and you just don't see how futile it is.... then you go further and further out on the ledge.. Nick is not worthy of your faith.. and he will prove that in the end.


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post Sep 10 2008, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE (cvkint @ Sep 10 2008, 06:18 PM) *
So good to see my favorite little troll back on the scene proof??? I don't believe you even know the meaning of the word...

Ok we have already seen the link that shows that PRIVATE investments "can" be exempt from registration if they are offered ONLY to accredited investors... or do you need to see that one again?? if so just ask... what is such an investor? Not because I said so sparky but because the SEC said so..

http://www.sec.gov/answers/accred.htm please note the sections I've pasted below.

a natural person who has individual net worth, or joint net worth with the person’s spouse, that exceeds $1 million at the time of the purchase;

a natural person with income exceeding $200,000 in each of the two most recent years or joint income with a spouse exceeding $300,000 for those years and a reasonable expectation of the same income level in the current year; or

Hmmmmmm sure looks like P2P is breaking the law there... or are those NOT facts enough for you???

As for the so called super secret bank accounts that poster spoke of and you claimed it must be true what I said because I said it.. how about this??

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/FedCrimes/Sto...7897&page=1

read the whole story and then reference the court documents... Swiss Bank accounts mean nothing anymore... nor does any other account in any other real bank anywhere in the world... I know I know facts again sorry to get those pesky little facts in the way of your rants...





You simply dont' get it and you never will that is fine. Nick has NEVER been investigated and cleared of any wrong doing if he was there would be public records.. there are NONE. Don't you even question why if that is true he wouldn't be letting people see those records to silence the critics? It makes no sense and there are no records available under the US or Canadian FOI act that shows Nick or P2P has ever been investigated and cleared of anything... sorry my friend but I am not making assumptions...

For P2P to be registered in the US it MUST be registered under the name he doing business as or his real personal name.. again this is factual LAW.. .he can't register a company name then try to register an investment under another name it's not allowed.. a simple search of the SEC site will prove that FACT to you.

You continue to ASSUME then paint me with your brush.. NO assumptions I am dealing with FACTS.. the links have been posted.. Nick is breaking the US and Canadian security laws. P2P in all it's forms is not registered do a search on the SEC site where you see the listing of registered securities.. it MUST be under that name in order to be legal...

I admire your faith I really do even though it's blind faith.. I just feel for ya when this one finally folds too.. not because you will lose money I gather you are in the black on this one, but simply because you are trying to so hard to counter facts with opinion and you just don't see how futile it is.... then you go further and further out on the ledge.. Nick is not worthy of your faith.. and he will prove that in the end.


But are you sure Nick is selling securities? I have belonged to p2p for ten months and Nick did not sell me anything. He did not invest my money either; it is just sitting there and I can have it back anytime I want. Nick never asked me to risk any of my own money; it is just sitting there. Nick, for all intents and purposes, is giving away money. Is that illegal? Remember, the SEC is bound by the Constitution to bear the burden of proof. If an idiot like me can come up with this, imagine what the best team of lawyers can do in front of a judge. Is my speculation any more far fetched than OJ's innocence?

By the Way, I have not yet requested a withdrawal from my p2p account. But I'm glad you admit p2p is paying. With so many large payouts and almost no new membership, most people in the business would hesitate to call this a ponzi.

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"Not because I said so sparky but because the SEC said so.." and what does sec mean? who are they to say what to do to others. Only Americans man and it seem not anymore and you believe them! some of you are as..h.. hahaha

Why do you believe the world cares what sec say? why do you believe people fears? They don´t care anymore on these days man. Believe it, and admin knows how deal with this bulls...for what I can read

Your gov. tries to find the best system to steal money to USA people now that other countrys do not let them do this anymore. Or did they give 12dp money back? They are stealing the americans man cause nobody in the world fears anymore. No USA rule is important

Stop with this try. Nonsense. Cause if admin knows what to do he will help so many people and sec dirty hands will be far. Stop crying and calling the sec.
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QUOTE (cashprobuilder @ Sep 10 2008, 08:20 PM) *
Zorro the P2P Warrior Troll - Fighting for our rights to P2P - "Bring it on, I am ready to Party"

Long Live P2P!!! dance9bh.gif




That's how we roll...with the Troll!!! harhar.gif


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QUOTE (RichardCor @ Sep 10 2008, 08:23 PM) *
"Not because I said so sparky but because the SEC said so.." and what does sec mean? who are they to say what to do to others. Only Americans man and it seem not anymore and you believe them! some of you are as..h.. hahaha

Why do you believe the world cares what sec say? why do you believe people fears? They don´t care anymore on these days man. Believe it, and admin knows how deal with this bulls...for what I can read

Your gov. tries to find the best system to steal money to USA people now that other countrys do not let them do this anymore. Or did they give 12dp money back? They are stealing the americans man cause nobody in the world fears anymore. No USA rule is important

Stop with this try. Nonsense. Cause if admin knows what to do he will help so many people and sec dirty hands will be far. Stop crying and calling the sec.



The same applies in the case of the various Canadian provincial securities commissions, The UK's FSA, The German Federal Securities Supervisory Office, Australian Securities and Investment Commission, etc., etc., with respect to citizens of their respective countries. The fact is that as an unregistered collective investment scheme that's offered to the public P2P is not "legal" in most countries where its members are located.
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