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27 Dec 2004
I got mugged tonight across the street from where I live while on the walk home from delivering christmas presents to a friend's house.

I didn't get hurt, and the guy let me keep all my cards n junk, but he did take all the cash I had on me, only $15, and my new LG VX7000 cell phone that I bought 2 weeks ago.

I paid the extra $6 to get insurance on the phone, and already started the claim to get it replaced -and needless to say I've been in an awkward mindset through the rest of the night, but I realized something.

In all the programs that I've invested and participated in that have failed, and all the thousands of dollars that've gone down the toilet with them, at least this mugger dude let me know that I was going to be losing some money right up front! tongue.gif
10 Dec 2004
I came home from running errands today and found a small package on my doorstep wrapped in plain brown paper.

It had no return address, nor did it have my address on it.

On the front of the package, neatly computer printed, was "Ragnafrak, Prepare or be enslaved!"

At first I thought it was possible one of my friends came by and dropped of some sort of gift with a joke like that on it- but none of my friends have really taken to calling me Ragnafrak offline...

Curious, I began to open it. I noticed it was very carefully wrapped. Each corner was tightly creased and folded to a perfect shape around a make shift cardboard case that held several thin CD jewel cases.

The jewel cases are all uniform in color and bear no identifying markings. Each CD is fairly generic with titles and time index printed clearly on its face.

Included with the CDs I found a note, also computer printed in the same font as what was on the outside of the package and on a similar indescript brown paper.

QUOTE
"The ruling empire on planet Terra is about to collapse. Its people can prevent this, but are unaware of the coming storm. Those who rule, at this very moment, prepare for the ensuing chaos and not to prevent it. How could this have happened? Could it all be chance or maybe design? Where will you be? What will you do?

"This is no joke. I am just trying ot make it a little colorful. Do your own research. Have an open mind. Corporate media will not inform you. They do not answer to you. Spread the word! But, for your own sake, prepare. Suggestion, be somewhere else.

"Recommended viewing order:

1. End of Suburbia
2. Read first site in web links
3. The Truth and Lies of 911
4. Preventative Warriors
5. The Corporation
6. Any Alex Jones Videos
7. In Plane Site
8. Uncovered: The Whole Truth About The Iraq War"


I popped the first CD on the list into my PC and discovered there an .avi file compressed into a .rar. After extracting I thumbed through the 77 minute long video- It seemed to say that the worlds oil supply is all but gone and how 60% of all the recoverable oil in the world is in the Persian Gulf and that this oil is the driving force behind Military actions in the middle east. It also went to suggest that it was already too late to use alternate fuel sources like corn ethenol which would require more land to farm than what we have available. Generally seemed like it was meant to spook me.

I haven't gone through any of the other CD's yet- though my curiousity will likely get the better of me in the long run. What's really bothering me is-

Who the hell came to my home and put this package on my doorstep???

Any of my friends wouldn't be as cloak and dagger. I'm really only known by this alias online and I only really give my address out when creating accts on various programs.

Even if someone did get a hold of my address through one of these various programs- why not use my real name on the package? Why my nickname? Only my closest friends know to call me Ragnafrak offline, yet I can't picture any of them pulling this kind of stunt let alone being interested in this subject matter.

This is really creeping me out.
4 Nov 2004
Another line from RoyalCycler.com , if you like $50 300% lines it's your turn:

http://www.royalcycle.com/index.php?ref=ragnafrak

Launches November 14th at 21:00 GMT. whenever that is.

Wootah!
30 Oct 2004
Hi everyone,

Some of the recent matrix site/phantom script doubler launches recently have gotten me a bit frustrated with the way the reserve funds are set up on the individual member's account level.

My first problem lies in that we're depending on people like and unlike ourselves to use their reserve funds diligently and not just take what they can make in the line and forget about the rest of us. I think that the admin of a phantom script site should have the imperitive to spend members' reserve funds for them in order to cycle out as many people as possible and increase the overall positive reaction to their site.

Secondly, what about the money that gets stuck in reserve funds?

For example, today Rapid Cycler launch a $10 300% line with a 20% reserve fund. That means for each cycled out share, $6 was put into the reserve fund of the member who's share cycled.

Now, I'd hope that the $6 in the reserve fund would be put towards helping out the people that are still stuck in that $10 line. But it's not enough to buy a share, right? It'd take 2 shares to cycle out for it to be enough, and even after that the person would have $2 stuck in their reserve fund doing nothing, permanently removed from the system, not helping anyone. (Except maybe an unscrupulous admin, but that's a topic for another thread.)

Presently, the Admin reserve fund is meant to be used to purchase shares after the line has stalled in order to give Emergency Medical Response-like resuscitation. But what if the admin fund was used not to purchase whole shares, but to spread out in chunks of a few dollars amongst individual members' reserve funds to bring them to totals that'd be able to purchase a new share?

In my example, instead of the admin needing to spend $10 from the admin reserve to put another share at the bottom of the line, they could just add $8 to the aforementioned cycling member's $2 and put the new share at the bottom of the list in their name.

How many times have you participated in a phantom launch like this and gotten stuck with like $5 in your reserve fund to do nothing with? I don't presume to know your exact level of benevolence, but I'd wager fairly that most of you don't want to kick in the other $5 on your own because you know that barring some random miracle you're never going to cycle that share.

With the admin reserve going to kick in that $5 for them. The members would be happy since they're getting a new spot in the line, and with the latest fad in twisting lines all over the place having that last spot in the line might not be such a bad thing.

Admins would also benefit because more shares cycling means more admin fees being generated, right?

Using the admin reserve to kick in the missing portions of what other people need in their reserve funds would allow the admin reserve to go towards adding many many many more positions to the line than if it were just used to purchase the shares straight-out, I'm sure.

What do you guys think? Am I naive or what?

29 Aug 2004
Hi all, as I'm sure most of you are aware CycleMeNow had an astounding opening launch with their first $2 200% non-profit line some weeks ago.

I took part in that line, starting with only $10 I was able to buy 5 shares and reinvest multiple times to come away with $40 from that line. But, being that it was a non-profit line, I was aware that I couldn't withdraw any of that money until I invested it into a regular line.

So when their next $5 came along I thought, 'Great! I can buy 8 shares, and anything that cycles I should be able to withdraw!' Right? Wrong.

At first I cycled only 5 of my 8 shares in that regular line, but hey, that was still $50. I figured that since it all came from the regular line I should be able to use it. Nothing was happening for a while on CycleMeNow to the best of my knowledge so I decided to try and put those money's to use elsewhere... but that's not what happened. Here's the subsequent email thread I exchanged with the admin of CycleMeNow:

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From: admin@cyclemenow.com <admin@cyclemenow.com>
Reply-To: admin@cyclemenow.com
To: ragnafrak@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:25:57 -0400
Subject: withdrawal request

Hi,

I am doing your withdrawal request. It seems you are not in the profit from the regular line. All profits from the $2 line have to be reinvested in a regular line because it is a no admin line.

You have earned $60 from the $2 line that has to be invested back. You invested back $40 so far. Leaving another $20 that has to be invested and cycled in a regular line before withdrawing. So I will leave this amount in your account so you can invest it.

Once you invest all of the profits I will have no problem fulfilling the rest your request. smile.gif

Thanks for your understanding of the no admin line.

Good Luck,

Kris Gardner
KM Gardner Enterprises, Inc.

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From: Lucas Peterson <ragnafrak@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Lucas Peterson <ragnafrak@gmail.com>
To: admin@cyclemenow.com
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 10:48:31 -0700
Subject: Re: withdrawal request

Hi, Kris.

I'm not sure I understand-

Before the $5 line launched I only had $40 available in my acct on
cyclemenow, so I invested all $40 of it and bought 8 shares in the new
line. Subsequently, 5 of those shares cycled, returning $50 into my
acct. I thought that I would be okay in withdrawing that much since it
came from the new line.

I don't plan on leaving cyclemenow completely, for the moment I'm just
trying to pool as much free cash together as I can for another project
that I'm working on.


If I was mistaken and the $50 currently in my account on your site
isn't eligible yet for withdrawals I don't wish to create a fuss,
although it would help me quite a bit if you did complete my request.
tongue4.gif

Thanks,

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From: admin@cyclemenow.com <admin@cyclemenow.com>
Reply-To: admin@cyclemenow.com
To: Lucas Peterson <ragnafrak@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:05:04 -0400
Subject: Re: withdrawal request

Hi Lucas,

You are able to withdraw $30 at this time. I will leave the $20 in your
available funds so you can invest it in another line. smile.gif Do you understand
my previous explanation or do you need more details? I just want to make
sure you understand how I came to the $30 amount. smile.gif

If you have any other questions please feel free to write me.

Thanks and Good Luck,

Kris Gardner
KM Gardner Enterprises, Inc.

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At this point it was too late for me to do what I was intending with that $20, so I decided to just drop the issue and leave it in CycleMeNow for the time being.

As luck would have it though, recently my remaining 3 shares in that $5 line cycled! 'Great!' I thought. Maybe now since my total profits from the $5 line (8 $5 shares at 200% now being $80) exceeded the number she was telling me I had in the $2 line ($60) she'd let me withdraw the rest of my account balance.

You can probably tell from the amount of space left on your scroll bar that there's still a bit more to this little story. Here's what she sent me:


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From: admin@cyclemenow.com <admin@cyclemenow.com>
Reply-To: admin@cyclemenow.com
To: Lucas Peterson <ragnafrak@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:10:43 -0400
Subject: Your withdrawal request

Hi,

You are not in profit from the regular line at this time. You have made $60 from the $2 line and have only invested $40 into the $5 line.

Leaving another 20$ that must be reinvested and cycled in a regular line.

I will grant you the $30 difference and put the $20 back into your available funds.

Thanks and Good luck!


Kris Gardner

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Hey! De Ja Vu! It goes on, by this point I'm a little miffed.

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From: Lucas Peterson <ragnafrak@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Lucas Peterson <ragnafrak@gmail.com>
To: admin@cyclemenow.com
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:25:58 -0700
Subject: Re: Your withdrawal request

Hi again,

I don't see why I shouldn't be able to withdraw my profits from the
normal Line.

Look, I started with $10. I then bought 5 shares of the $2 non profit
line, then using some money from cycled shares there I bought 5 more
shares, then using profit from those I bought 5 more shares. I can see
how that makes it look like I've made more profit in the $2 line than
I actually did, but the FACT remains that I only came out of if with
$40 in my account. ALL of which I invested in the regular line. So ALL
profits of which I should be able to withdraw should I so choose.

I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with you're inability to see this
simple math. You can look at the time stamps on my cycled shares and
see that I'm right.

I already missed investing that $20 the first time because you
wouldn't give it to me then. At that point though it was too late
anyway so I didn't press the issue.

I'd planned to invest this withdrawal in another venture tonight. If
you're not able ot process my payment before, then I'll be out even
more money.

Please send the full amount of my withdrawal request. I've
successfully reinvested EVERY CENT of my monies from the non profit
line. Again, look at the time stamps on my shares if you can't see
that I only came away from that line with $40 and NOT the $60 that
you've repeatedly told me I did.

Regards,

Lucas

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From: admin@cyclemenow.com <admin@cyclemenow.com>
Reply-To: admin@cyclemenow.com
To: Lucas Peterson <ragnafrak@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:40:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Your withdrawal request
Hi Lucas,

You bought and cycled 15 shares at $4 a piece. Simple math is 15x4=60. You
then bought 8 shares at $5 a piece. 8x5=40.....So using simple math you can
see that you have not reinvested all the profits, which are $60 from the $2
line. 60-40=20 that is still left to invest.

I don't know how else I can put it any simpler for you to understand. But
criticizing me isn't going to get you anywhere. If you continue to try to
withdraw the $20 that you are unable to withdraw at this time it will get
your account suspended. This is the second time I am being nice enough to
credit it back after you knowingly keep trying to withdraw it.

The time stamps do not mean a thing. It's the line you are purchasing into.
If you are using your profit to buy into the same non-profit line it still
must be reinvested. It is not cycling from a regular line.

I hope this helps you to better understand the procedure.

Thanks,

Kris Gardner

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From: Lucas Peterson <ragnafrak@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Lucas Peterson <ragnafrak@gmail.com>
To: admin@cyclemenow.com
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:54:05 -0700
Subject: Re: Your withdrawal request

> You bought and cycled 15 shares at $4 a piece. Simple math is 15x4=60. You
> then bought 8 shares at $5 a piece. 8x5=40.....So using simple math you can
> see that you have not reinvested all the profits, which are $60 from the $2
> line. 60-40=20 that is still left to invest.

I put $10 into the $2 line, which became $20. Then I put in $10 more,
which became $20. Then I put in $10 more which became $20, leaving me
with $40, not $60. Reinvesting should NOT be as hurtful as you're
making it out for me to be.

Again, the evidence of my reinvesting is in the timestamps of my cycled shares.

How am I supposed to have put $60 into the new $5 regular line if I
only came away with $40? You're telling me to reinvest my earnings
from the REGULAR line (8 shares bought for the entirety of my $40
which became $80 after it cycled) in order for me to make up for the
extra $20 you're saying I made in the non-profit line.

How can I reinvest money from the $2 line that I never received?

Regards,

Lucas

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From: admin@cyclemenow.com <admin@cyclemenow.com>
Reply-To: admin@cyclemenow.com
To: Lucas Peterson <ragnafrak@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:09:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Your withdrawal request

Lucas,

I am not telling you to reinvest the profits from the regular line. I have
already paid you a total of $60. It isn't like I'm trying to keep your
money.

Again the time stamps do not matter. I think you are getting a little
confused because you bought back into the $2 line with your profit. Making
you think that you are able to withdraw when that cycles, but it is still
the no admin. line. Meaning it must be reinvested, again.

You bought 15 shares in the $2 line. It doesn't matter what or when you
bought them. That gives you $60 that must be reinvested. There is no way
to figure it out any differently.

You bought 8 shares in the $5 line which is only $40. Why are you making
this so complicated? Are you not happy with the $60 I have already given
you? All I'm asking is for you to follow our policy. It's only $20. I am
launching another line hopefully this week and you can double it again and
withdraw at that time.

I don't understand how I'm making this hurtful. I don't want you to be
upset or frustrated. I have had no problem giving you what you were in
profit plus your own deposit. Other programs wouldn't even let you take
that out until you were showing all profit. I have at least given you $60
which I feel is the right thing to do.

Please forgive me if I am not explaining this correctly. I really want you
to understand how it works.

Regards,

Kris Gardner

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What do you guys think? Am I wrong?

I realize it's pretty trivial to be going to such lengths over a measily $20, but to me, even this much is worth fighting over.

At this point, I'm already in the same situation as I was before. It's too late to do what I was planning with this $20, so I might as well just leave it. Actually, that's going to end up being what I do.

Still, what do you all think of the situation? Should reinvesting in a non admin profit line rack up higher profits than what you actually come away from the line with? Should you be _forced_ to reinvest equally in regular lines in order to be flush with your (in my eyes) ficticious No admin line profits or else be unable to withdraw your balance from your account?

Thanks,

Lucas
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